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Why will this game never die, /v/?
It's legitimately fun.
Still the best modern fps with good movement.
It plays ok, and it won't die since its like a classic.
people still play action quake
It's free, so it's the only thing that russian teenagers and other potato worshippers can afford.
It's gameplay is literally unbreakable, save for some updates where weapons would get nerfed to hell or buffed to really OP.
>interesting and funny lore
>great and mostly balanced gameplay
>actually requires skill (most of the time
>lovable characters without any fap-bait
>9 different classes and a shitton of different weapons, bringing in something new every time you play
>8 different game modes
>free
>no pay to win, all things you can buy are cosmetics
>(paid)character customization
>a ton of maps
>new updates add more maps, cosmetics, and maybe even weapons (one day)
>a competetive scene
>cancerousgreat community
What's not to love?
>>332176162
funny thing is there´s actually more of them in CSGO and L4D2. cyka blyat every fucking day.
I just play it to surf.
>>332176314
I am Russian myself, and I encountered almost no suka blyad's on English servers, unlike Dota/CS:GO
>>332176273
>mostly balanced gameplay
t. soldier main
>>332176314
Russians have ruined all of valves games for me, fuck them.
>>332176553
How dare those assholes ruin Ricochet
>>332176473
>t.
stop this shit
But yeah demos and soldiers are OP as holy shit. The only time I ever go them is to wreck engie nests solo and I always feel dirty doing so
If the beta is anything to go by, I might actually start enjoying this game again now that comp ranking is a thing.
I actually have to ask people if I can go Medic for a change.
It's fucking strange.
>>332176704
>>332176473
>Soldier and Demo are OP
Oh hey guys
>>332176701
The russians nuked that game so hard even they themselves left.
It's a dead man walking
>>332176841
Hi, easy kill, what's up?
>>332176841
>Pyro is OP
Maybe if hes a team player he is a force to be reckoned with but I solo pyro is always an easy kill unless he random crits you
Have they finally fixed the sv_pure bullshit from valve servers?
>>332176841
Maybe if the team you are going up against is retarded then yeah he can be OP. If you get good at airblast he is fun as fuck to use to piss off soldier and demo mains
It keeps getting updates so it's constantly a 'new' game.
If it was released with a few updates like most games it would have died years ago
>>332176969
bullshit. people always forget pyro has a shotgun, too.
>>332176965
>>332176969
Pyro's who can reflect are really hard to kill as soldier without the shotgun; but if it's your usual pub Pyro, he is just a running torch. A good Engie and a Pyro working as a team are almost unbeatable. It happens on extremely rare occasions tho.
>>332177082
I'm not saying he is OP, he is just a pretty good counter to those two and the Spy
>>332176415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYB4v8uThXc
>>332176273
>mostly balanced gameplay
>while sniper and scout exist
I agree with the rest though
>>332177162
Either that or scorch shot since its pretty broken atm. Totally shits on large groups like in payload or wound up heavies trying to make a push from a distance
>>332175706
it wont until they stop giving little ozzy kids macbooks for loan in highschool. Its like the first thing they get, F2P and Free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU3aIJs88g#t=3m22s
>>332175706
It died in 2009, I tried playing again recently joining multiple servers. It's just people not playing the game now just roaming around. If you try to play the game they ban you.
>>332177543
I can give you a compet beta pass if you want to enter the tryhard zone
>>332177278
>scouts
>unbalanced
>while Natasha gets buffed
Literally tiny baby man with little guns. As a heavy main, them and demonight are the easiest picks.
>>332177627
yeah but that damage loss makes you get fucked so hard by any heavy in a four mile radiusalso It doesn't have the sexy war room skin or festive lights
>>332177968
>War Room skin
>one of the best looking skins in the game
>can't be strange
>>332177968
Damage loss is a problem sometimes, but the 20% damage resistance while spun up helps a lot. Basically, while you have -25% damage, all your enemies also have a -20% damage.
The game itself is good, but if you're not interested or are bad at the game there's always trading. It appeals to a lot of people.
>>332177454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCf_c-gLkSI
>>332175706
Play this game online to get kill by hacker steam accounts?
>Fuck Off.
>>332178120
>tfw i know that feel all too well
j-just wait anon, we'll be able to trade up civillian stat clocks next update for sure
>>332178476
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju4jvlq7gc4
>>332176273
>Friend IRL refuses to play TF2 on the grounds of it being 'Pay2Win'
>He plays games like Hearthstone and WOW
>He says TF2 is P2W because non-stock weapons are 'better'
>>332178646
I'm not lying.
What about those losers forcing us to enjoy groups to get hacked? Happy to play steam offline mod with no friends.
>>332178646
I think maybe he was referring to a specific shit that would allow people to give or take items from you, of any steam inventory, just by playing the game
Or some shit like that
>>332175706
I'll never understand the appeal of the gameplay, it's literally just randomly running around the map even when going for an objective and the gun play is just flat out uneven.
Most people only play it for the hats and those annoying fucking meme servers. If you play this game casually chances are you're the worst kind of person on steam
Because people spend a lot of money and time in this game.
>>332178914
No is not that dude.
People play on CS online a few hours and we get hacked in the next day. Because they know your name account, even with VAC Activated they go in. I got hacked 2 times and i recover it by steam. Since i been offline with no friends for 8 years, i never got hacked again and why? Because they wanna see people get hacked and be offline forever!
>>332178752
The only cases of "non-stock weapons are better" are some weapons, and Pyro's primary flamethrower (that's arguable, but if your aim is good you are better off with the Degreaser)
>>332179110
What? The degreaser was nerfed to hell, there's no point in using it now.
>>332179110
You mean Backburner
>crits from behind
>can still airblast
What's not to like
If you need more than 3-4 airblasts to kill a soldier/demo you deserve to get killed anyways
>>332179083
Thanks to the stupid virus is up there surfing on our computers to get the codes.
>>332179110
since both the phlog and degreaser got rightfully nerfed, stock is one of the best choices of flamethrower along with the backburner if you don't airblast too often
still though, fuck the degreaser and anyone who uses it
>>332176273
Also
>mods
>>332176273
>every weapon feels the exact same
>volvo can't balance for shit
>random crits
>>332179310
> Porn Mods.
>>332178784
>>332178914
I was referring to his misuse of greentext, but i have 1,200 hours and have not been hacked once
>>332179310
>mfw installed the "surprise buttsecks" as the knife critical sound
Playing spy is so much better now.
>>332179205
you need to hog ammo packs if you use airblast to actually juggle people around and not just for reflects and extinguishes
people always call the backburner a crutch because it has no downside for noobs (cause they don't bother to airblast) but you need to do some serious flanking work (preferably with detonator jumps) to make use of the upside.
>>332178120
>Release all these fucking awesome skins as free ones from the pass
>Only the absolute bottom tier gets to be strange
I want my fucking strange high roller rocket launcher
>>332179368
Well depends of the friends and groups you have.
>>332179110
Literally the only case where your friend is right.
>>332177601
Hey anon give me the beta, I want to play it.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Galexro/
>>332179837
i added u to play, my name is antoinedu69
x)
>>332179837
sent ;)
i remember when trading first came out for this. got some real nice deals on the /v/ trading threads before they were full of stupid spammers
traded some crates for earbuds and some crates for sam + max ears
i feel bad about those trades sometimes desu but they were fair at the time
Beggar's bazooka of never ending shots still not nerfed.
>>332175706
fok
>>332181394
no u
>>332176273
>What's not to love?
for me two things
>optimisation
Game runs fucking terribly.
>class balance
Pyro and Spy are pretty much useless because everybody does their jobs better;
If you want to assassinate someone, Sniper can click heads quickly and safely from far away rather than Spy having to walk right up to their backs. If you want to destroy a building, Demoman does it much more quickly, and safely with stickybombs than Spy walking up to a sentry and putting a slow-acting Sapper on it.
Pyro is squishier than Heavy and Soldier, slower than Medic and Scout, has less damage than Heavy/Demo/Sniper/Spy, and has the worst effective range in the game. Afterburn does shit damage and is easily put out, and reflecting projectiles is nice, but only 2 classes use projectiles on the regular and that won't stop you getting shot by bullets.
In a serious game of TF2, all that leaves Pyro with is airblasting Ubercharges on last holds (about 20 seconds total per match), and all Spy can do better than anyone else is kill Medics who are out of reach of your Sniper.
Both Pyro and Spy will probably not be played at all in matchmaking if Valve doesn't shape up.
There are also a lot of cancerous weapons like Vita-Saw and Darwin's Danger Shield and Razorback and Crit-A-Cola that need fixing.
Apart from that, the game is indeed good.Maybe even the best.
>>332176704
Since the nerfs to his stickybombs in Love and War and the nerfs to his unlocks in Tough Break, I would argue Demoman is now actually the most balanced class in the game. He counters Engineers, he's countered by Scouts, and he goes even with most other classes depending on the situation- for example he can even lose to shitty classes like Pyro.
Stock Soldier isn't overpowered either. He doesn't hard counter anybody and he isn't hard countered by anybody. However, weapon unlocks are what make him bullshit, especially whip/pick.
People complain about every class
Sounds pretty balanced to me
>>332177162
>people always forget pyro has a shotgun, too.
Pyro has 175HP.
Soldier has 200HP.
In a shotgun-on-shotgun fight, assuming both have decent aim, Soldiers have the advantage.
There's a reason Pyros are never run in 6v6 for more than 30 seconds on average per game: Pyro is a combination of a support and combat character, and this makes it inferior in a fight to the pure combat classes.
>>332175706
I just went back to it after a few years, shit's still fun.
I don't use anything other than stock weapons.
the game would be a juggernaut if valve maintained it properly
>>332181994
Pyro isn't ran because he has zero mobility advantages
He's pretty decent in combat but soldiers, scouts, and demos can do his job and be there way sooner
Heavy can do the same combat job but faster
there's no reason to have a Pyro except super situationally on something like Gravelpit or Steel last
Who /veteran/ here?
>>332179110
>The only cases of "non-stock weapons are better" are some weapons
I'll give you one per class:
Boston Basher (pros: can basher jump, lets you build Uber faster for your med, deals more damage on successful hit, lets you steal HP kits. Cons: Damage yourself if you miss). Universally competitively used on Scout
Disciplinary Action (longest melee range in the game, boosts ally and own speed for 20/30/40% on hit, only downside is 16 less melee damage per swing on a weapon Soldier rarely uses for its damage) Universally competitively used for Highlander rollouts over stock. 6s players would use it, but it's banned.
Degreaser
Loch N Load (lets a Demo with decent pipe aim easily fuck up his intended counter)
Gloves of Running Urgently (you cannot play Heavy Weapons Man without it, Sandvich also applies)
Wrangler
Ubersaw (0.16s swing speed penalty, the time it takes to say the "mi" in "mississippi". This makes getting your average melee kill take 0.64s longer, in exchange for making your Uber bar fill 35 seconds faster.)
Hitman's Heatmaker (rewards you for what you should be doing anyway)
Ambassador (if you git gud)
There are far more weapons than this which are generally agreed to be better than stock, and used by people over stock.
>>332181795
not a single point you made was incorrect. I'm actually impressed someone on /v/ knows what they're talking about.
I reinstalled the game two weeks ago after having quit right before it went f2p.
It's fun with the cosmetics turned off.
>>332182330
>He's pretty decent in combat
Well of course he can do better in a close up fight than say Engineer or Medic or Sniper or Spy
But soldiers/scouts/demos don't just do his job, they do it better, because they don't have to worry about a really really short primary weapon effective range
>there's no reason to have a Pyro except super situationally on something like Gravelpit or Steel last
or if you're defending against an uber push, but that takes up fractions of a match
>>332175814
this desu. Granted I started playing on '10. I dislike all of the ugly cosmetics, weapon skins, and F2P shit but the game is still fun regardless. All Valve has to do is add class limits so there can be no more than 2 snipers, spies, medics, and engies on a team. Boom, instantly better
>>332182656
thanks anon, good luck in matchmaking
>>332182759
flarepunching means he's pretty decent, as he can instakill scouts
but yes he generally isn't better, Soldier especially is ridiculous versatile
Female versions of every class fucking when
>>332182606
>Degreaser
explain please. Since the Axtinguisher has been nerfed is it really worth it having a large afterburn penalty and increased airblast cost just for faster weapon switch?
>>332183059
axtinguisher has been irrelevant for years and no good pyro relies on the primary or afterburn for damage. 2 less airblasts isn't a big deal. deg will always be better unless they fix pyro.
>>332182363
>started playing in summer of 2008 when the heavy update came out
>remember when these badges first dropped
>steam forums were full of golds and bronzes constantly shitposting at each other
>all of us silvers just ignored them and played the game
>>332182849
Due to a bug caused by Valve's fucking around with the Degreaser during Tough Break, flarepunching is quite inconsistent now.
(you might want to mute the video, because the voice is a little offputting) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Az-g0YIIpk
And a good scout will usually be smart enough to backpedal out of airblast range, anyway. Though it does work sometimes.
Soldier's silly versatility isn't helped by the fact he has the most weapon unlocks in the game at 26 non-reskins, compared to Medic's 13. I'd like to see Medic get a new weapon for once (last time he got one was 2012)
>>332183485
you can flarepunch with any flamethrower (except the phlog) and nothing changed in tough break for that
the first airblast is still a predictable trajectory, shit's easy as fuck
>>332176273
>>lovable characters without any fap-bait
>>interesting and funny lore
while I got tired of playing, I have to agree with this.
of any multiplayer game ever made, TF2 hands down has the best characters and Overwatch is not going to be outdoing the Demoman or the Scout any time soon.
>>332181795
actually the stickybomb nerfs were undone because every demo main cried about it
>>332183059
Degreaser's swap speed isn't just for flarepunching and axtinguisher; it's also for being able to fire out a flare, then swap quickly back to your primary, ready to reflect an incoming projectile, and then swap back again. This allows you to put out as much damage as possible while also protecting your Medic (or stopping the enemy Medic from pushing in Uber). You can also use it to get as much movespeed as possible out of the Powerjack while also being ready to swap back again before someone shoots you and the damage vulnerability applies.
Ammo is common enough that the increased airblast cost, while annoying, isn't enough to get Pyro mains like Satan to swap from Degreaser to stock. And afterburn, as the other guy mentioned, is not what most Pyros rely on for killing anything but Spies (which are easy to kill anyway) when you have a Shotgun.
Valve succeeded in making Degreaser shittier, but not in actually stopping it being the only primary used.
>>332183909
Dropping too many sticky bombs in their diapers, unfortunately.
>>332183909
>actually the stickybomb nerfs were undone because every demo main cried about it
Are you so sure of that, anon?
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Stickybomb_Launcher#Update_history
The damage ramp-up nerf was reverted. The radius ramp-up nerf following that one was not reverted.
>June 18, 2014 Patch (Love & War Update): All Demoman stickybombs now have damage ramp up. Full damage is reached 2 seconds after firing.
>June 23, 2014 Patch: Reverted the recent stickybomb damage ramp up change. We will continue to evaluate the use of stickybomb air detonations and potential changes to that mechanic.
>December 22, 2014 Patch (Smissmas 2014): Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds. Stickybombs that touch the world will have full radius. Damage variance on stickybombs reduced from +/- 10% damage to +/-2%. Stickybombs now have the same base blast radius as rockets. Changed from 159Hu to 146Hu.
>>332181795
>vita-saw
People actually use that? I always figured you could build uber fast enough so it made it useless
>razorback
The only people who think it's over powered are spies who don't use their magnum or The Ambassador
>>332184440
noone uses the vitasaw in pubs because it's boring, and it's banned in comp because all it does it force the other medic to use it too, making for a boring as fuck choice
it's op in the most dull way possible
>The only people who think it's over powered are spies who don't use their magnum or The Ambassador
"b-but just shoot him" say the spies who are against completely retarded snipers who actually use the razorback when out on their own rather than protected by their team and/or sentries
>>332184440
>put good sniper with good sightlines to the enemy team
>put sentry next to him
>give him a razorback
>spy can't shoot at him because sentry
>spy can't take out sentry because he will react and kukri his ass
>No one kills him because he's too far to chip damage and popping the heads of your teammates
the only problem i have with the game at the moment is the fact that matchmaking was announced almost a year ago and there's no sign of it coming out anytime soon
>>332181795
The thing is Pyro prevails in a map where he can hit enemies with deflected projectiles with ease; people seem to forget that Pyro can also deflect Jarates, medic's crossbow, sniper's arrows and many other relevant things.
The spy prevails over sniper when snipers can't find a spot to shoot sentries
Spy is also a great character to make way for engineers for instance
While you can surely say that a ubered soldier/heavy can surely clear the way a spy in the other hand is something more flexible since he can cause a lot of disruption
I think he's the best distraction in the game and can leave a team unprepared for a push.
>>332184786
Reflecting things other than grenades and rockets take superhuman skills though
It's hard to see them amongst the spam plus they move very rapidly compared to the usual projectiles that the Pyro airblasts
>>332184440
>I always figured you could build uber fast enough so it made it useless
It's competitively banned because it gives the Medic using it a very powerful upside,
Ubercharge advantage- having a full bar of Uber before the enemy does- is extremely important, because the first one to pop invulnerability or kritz can wipe the other team. Even a 1% advantage over the other team's Medic can win a game.
In the event that both Medics die at the mid point, the one running Vita-Saw will respawn with 20% Uber, while the one without it will respawn with 0%.
Since on most midfights Medics often die, and since you build about 20% of your Uber getting to mid, this means that if both Medics die at the start, Vita-Saw Medic will be coming back with 40% Uber compared to his enemy's 0%.
The worst thing about all this is there's no way to know if the enemy is running Vita-Saw unless they actually pull it out, which makes teams reluctant to push in case the enemy is hiding an Uber advantage up their sleeve. That's why it's banned.
>The only people who think it's over powered are spies who don't use their magnum or The Ambassador
The only people who make that argument have never watched a game where it's used by teams with strong teamwork.
Normally Sniper has 125HP so yes, it's not hard for Spy to pop him once with an Amby headshot and a bodyshot to kill him.
Comp teams overheal their Sniper to 185HP or stand him next to a Sentry. A Razorback Sniper who is overhealed can't be backstabbed, but he can't be Ambassador'd to death, either, because his Sniper Rifle's headshots are more potent and he just turns around and shoots you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFXyE8SLHww
And if he's near a Sentry, you won't have time to kill him before the Sentry kills you.
>>332184768
>sap sentry
>ambassador sniper in 2 shots while engi is trying to fix his sentry
>Continue sapping sentry
>stab engineer
>be credit to team
WOW THAT WAS SO HARD
>>332175706
It is extremely good balanced
faggot
>>332184778
>no sign of it coming out anytime soon
They are doing stress tests for it and you can buy a pass that lets you play competitive right now.
I remember when /v/ was flooded with tf2 threads
Good times
>>332184786
>The thing is Pyro prevails in a map where he can hit enemies with deflected projectiles with ease
Against stupid players, sure.
Competent Snipers aren't going to be using the Huntsman at all because it's too situational. Competent Medics are going to be focusing on their heal target, rather than feeding bolts to an enemy Pyro. Mad Milk and Jarate you have a point on, but it's not really worth running Pyro for when you could have an actually good Sniper or Scout with one of their own.
>I think he's the best distraction in the game
Ehh, there's a lot of unlocks that fuck with things and replace him which won't be banned in Matchmaking. Scout's Bonk Cola for example lets Scout "disable" a Sentry far more quickly and safely than Spy can, long enough for his team to blow it up.
>>332185140
>>sap sentry
>>ambassador sniper in 2 shots while engi is trying to fix his sentry
Wow anon you're so clever. Why didn't Plat HL Spies think of that?? I mean it totally works so easily and there totally isn't such a thing as a Homewrecker Pyro!
>>332176841
Sup worst class.
How does it feel to sneak up on soldiers and STILL get destroyed?
>butbut when the soldier is already damaged and I randomly gues- I mean skillfully predict the rocket, I win!
>>332185492
>homewrecker
>not banned in comp
>>332185140
>sap sentry
>entire enemy team who were chilling near dispenser unloads on you in a spycheck panic
>engie wrenches everywhere hitting you and not just the sentry
>sniper still dropping your med
Sure is easy
Woah, hey guys.
How are you doing?
What's going on in this thread?
>>332178120
>>332178684
actually they can be now, but they need to be crafted, and the result is random in the first place so the higher tiers like war room are worth a lot.
Because it's free and has a high rate of new users every month.
>>332185584
it isn't
>>332185678
TF2c is pretty fun I guess, but only the deathmatch servers are ever full and deathmatch always felt like a "whoever gets the rocket launcher the most wins" contest
>>332185678
this games optimization is even worse
>>332185678
>the merc standing further away in a pose that is equivalent to a hoverhand
>>332183902
Overwatch isn't going to outdo anything period. That game has absolutely no chance.
>20 tick
>Blizzard balancing
Good fucking luck whoever is brave enough to buy that shit before it eventually goes F2P.
im done for good after about 1.2k hours. had my fun. hopefully overwatch is decent.
>>332185787
>actually spending that much metal/money for a CHANCE to get it
I'd rather just wait for an update to add some sort of loophole
>>332185916
it has sexy babes, is easy as shit with a low skill ceiling, and looks pretty
it's the LoL to the Dota that is TF2
>>332185916
It outdid the amount of wanks I do to TF2
>>332185927
nah boy, once tf2, always tf2. You will come back. It's just a matter of time. There is no better game than this. You're here with us, for the rest of your time.
>>332185916
>20 tick
Holy shit, really?
Dead on arrival.
>>332186159
naw son the last server i played on finally died, i have no interest in going back.
This videogame died when Valve made it F2P, opening the doors to the brony autists that still fester on this game's corpse.
Regards: Primeval warrior opinion.
>>332186045
>>332186079
LoL came in when a new genre was starting up. Overwatch is coming into a genre that is already over-saturated and established already with games like Call of Duty and CS:GO.
Face it, it's a flop. Not even Battlefront could be the "LoL for FPS".
>>332186382
Don't be so sure. Blizzard has an eye for saturated marketing. This could sell, but it won't kill TF2.
>>332185140
>Sap sentry
>Get amby head shot
>Wait for cooldown on amby for second headshot
>Engi has already hit his sentry twice
>ded
Also theres probably another team mate there to kill you anyway
>>332185492
>>332185654
>>332186908
>every scenario involves the entire team magically being around the dispenser at the exact same time and being able to react lightning fast
I just started playing Team Fortress 2 yesterday and It was pretty enjoyable
>>332185843
TF2 classics death match mode is the opposite of what i would have done, it pisses me off, takes everything thats team fortress and throws it away. Its just Unreal Tournement
I would have kept it so you could chose your class, and just balanced the classes so they are all equal
>>332186382
they have done well getting the OW brand out there so early they pretty much already have a base. the game wont die thats for sure.
>>332187070
>every scenario involves the enemy team being fucking retards
you realize this was talking about comp, right?
>>332187093
Good for you anon, just remember that Soldier takes no effort and is the easiest main
Autistic people tend to latch onto something and never stop playing or talking about it. Also little kids like f2p games. Either way TF2 is an absolute husk of what it used to be. Continually raped by valve because it's easy to just steal people's hat models and give them 10% of the money for it.
>>332175706
Legends never die.
>>332187070
Your scenario also involves the Spy in question being able to whip around and hit Ambassador headshots lightning fast.
And you don't need lightning fast reflexes or aiming to click on a sapper and delete it in one hit as Pyro.
>magically being around the dispenser
It's the Pyro's job to be with the Medic or Engineer. Often teams will simply combine the two and set up the Engineer near the Medic. This means Pyro can be there to protect both and delete Sappers and Spies with its Flamethrower and Homewrecker.
You're making a fool of yourself, anon.
>>332181795
a good pybro is as annoying as a scout. While I agree it has a serious disadvantage on most terms, that also makes the pyro less of a target. Don't diss the pyro so easilly.
Now the Spoi? that's a whole different ball game.since there are very few good spois...
>>332181912
Honestly This
>>332182808
Most non-valve servers are like that lol
vanilla TF2 with no content updates is my favorite multiplayer FPS of all time
>>332187328
too much turtling there.
Now a mini sentry engy with a pyro around can be really dangerous.
>play pyro
>everyone complains
>w+m1 takes no skill
Man, I just want to use a flamethrower
Who /heavy main/ here?
I'm getting alot of enjoyment from throwing out chocolate bars to teammates lately. The cooldown on that thing is ridiculous it turns me into a mini health dispenser.
>>332187540
>wanting insanely OP Demoman and Soldier
>wanting completely worthless, broken Pyro and Spy
>wanting only 6, mostly shitty, maps
>>332187423
>While I agree it has a serious disadvantage on most terms, that also makes the pyro less of a target.
All that winds up meaning is that competitive players don't play Pyro unless they're forced to (highlander), anon. Either way, the class never sees more than 20 or so seconds of play in your average comp game. Being less of a target doesn't actually make you useful, it just means they're more likely to shoot one of your useful allies, putting you at an even bigger disadvantage.
Sadly, even good Spies can't do much with the class. There's so many things thatcucka good Spy, making his disguise just about worthless and weakening his cloak.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Spy_checking#Revealing_cloaked_Spies
>>332187727
>content updates
>the same as patch updates
With you on the maps though
>>332187856
so what do you call new game mechanics? not "content"?
>>332187674
>tfw I spent all my time convincing people the dalokahs bar is on the same ground if not better than the sandvich
>tfw people are finally realizing that dalokahs is good
shotgun is pretty fun too with heavy
Because despite everything they've done to it, there's still an incredibly solid game under the filth.
I come back to it after months expecting that this is the time I finally get bored of it for good, and I don't.
HL MM when? I want to play classes that aren't Scout, Med, or Soldier.
>>332187957
God I hope they don't go nerfing the Dalokahs bar. It's an amazing feeling when you throw out a chocolate bar and a passing by teammate catches it.
>>332187957
It was shit when you couldn't toss it or had even 1 medic on the team.
>>332188085
but you don't need to do that at all in MM, especially because there's no class limits at all
>>332188278
What heresy is this? You can't go against the meta like that!
>>332188589
people who spout this shit don't actually understand why the meta is the meta in the first place
Will the new comp scene make valve rebalance the game?
>>332188968
it seems to be forcing the really OP shit like Crit-A-Cola to float to the surface really quickly, so maybe
>>332188968
There been talks about changes like that. Some even saying Friendly Fire might be implemented in competitive play.
>>332189313
bullshit
>>332188589
You can do anything you want in Fresh Chump tier. Notice the wreaths next to their names? Nearly everybody there is at the first rank.
>>332188278
What the hell is this winner screen?
>Started out summer of '09
>Get bronze
>Have over 7000 hours
>I'm considered equal to xXxSans_mlpxXx who got tf2 yesterday
>>332188968
next major update, which will most probably come out this june or july, will feature competitive's official release, and like the last two major updates, is really likley going to rebalance a ton of weapons based on competitive beta tester experiences and equip rates
>>332189474
You can draw dicks on the screen and taunt while on the winners' podium, it's pretty great.
They're incorporated as a feature in maps used in the comp rotation. If you start up an offline game on Foundry or Process, turn sv_cheats to 1 and enter noclip, you should be able to fly outside the map and look at the podium room.
>>332189494
not if you can play better than him. Fuck manufactured ranks in games.
>>332182363
>>332183463
>bought game shortly after the cheater's lament debacle
>made fun of for having no halo, must have be an idler
>made fun of for being bronze
A couple months earlier and I'd have been fine.
>>332182363
>played since beta
>account got hacked and vac banned for cheating
>whatever only cs, tf2 and half life was on there
>made new one a month before the damn medals released
>have a bronze and people think I'm some shitter
>>332189769
So long as you don't wear a gibus I think you'll be fine.
>>332176273
>>lovable characters without any fap-bait
this
NEW
COMIC
WHEN
Newfags won't find it as fun as the Oldfags would. I personally like it, and play it sometimes.
noob here
How do I get people to act like a fucking team
>>332182363
ummmm?????
>>332192031
you don't, because you are playing on apubora fucking valve server
>>332192031
play with people you actually know.
Obviously avoid servers that contain the name "mlp" or "trade server".
>>332192137
>tfw missed out on the beta even though I really wanted to be in
I can't remember why now but I was really annoyed at the time.
>>332175706
daily reminder that free games without any matchmaking are cancer
I hope overwatch will cost 50+ bucks and never gets cheaper.
Will items ever get more expensive? I'm thinking of selling all of my stuff.
What is a good inventory value estimator?
I haven't played in 3 years so I really don't know anything about its current situation
>>332192267
Nah. The Market is on its way towards a crash. You can check your items value by going to backpack.tf
>>332192457
Sounds good.
I have a full gen 1 festive set, a buds, and the all father #88
Jeez it looks like buds went down the toilet. Any suggestions on how to get some real world money out of this?
>Anno Domini 2012
>seek out a non-trade server
>finally find one
>no one is actually playing
>I get mocked for trying to cap a point
It's been four years, do people actually play the game now?
>>332175706
Selling Orbiting Fire Front Runner for 29 keys or more in unusuals.
>>332192628
Yeah, since then things have improved a bit. Those servers that force you to watch their ads got assblasted by Valve, the force of community memes has turned against people who don't cap.
Use Valve servers and UGC servers, generally all Valve servers bar Hightower will have people playing the objective.
>>332192913
>>332192628
oh also: people will be playing the objective in matchmaking for sure, even if you don't care about ranks you'll be able to find serious games there
>>332176273
>lovable characters without any fap-bait
Heavy is pretty fap bait for me
>mm is shit for meds that want to experiment
>WITH FUCKING STOCK, QF IS META
OUT OF BETA NOW
I haven't played in 5 years. I have about 2500 hours played. This game was my soul for 3 years straight. I wouldn't play anything else.
What did I miss? I remember being so excited for the Halloween events, so exited for every new update... I had close online friends that I would play with, and a small number of servers that I would play on.
So what have I missed? Are people really still playing TF2 as a game? Or is it ded?
>>332178752
I get the same shitty excuses anon
They can't handle true fast-paced action :^)
>>332176273
>>lovable characters without any fap-bait
do you even tumblr?
>>332193673
people are still playing it
>>332192613
Look into people buying backpacks. You may need a middleman for that though.
>>332193927
Do you know what fap-bait is anon?
>>332193673
I was playing vanilla orange box when you were racking in your hours, and now I'm on PC racking 2000 hours myself. The last updates were meh but this game will never die.
>>332193673
Engineers can pick up and move their buildings, they can heal them from a distance with a new shotgun, spies can pick up metal to recover cloak, demo and Soldier have a parachute item, engineer has a wrench that can teleport him back to spawn, and half the weapons you knew were most likely changed or rebalanced.
>>332176273
medic can be lex luthor jr.
and it can be fucking canon, even though med is from stuttgart and stuttgart isn't in East Germany
>>332193673
if you just want to casually play some gaems it's fine but you'll have to play on valve servers with ftp shitters that are about 10 years old on average.
if you want to play with skilled players you can only find good servers on peaks times.
also still a lot of cheaters around.
>>332181994
Specifically, Pyro is a close combat class. At a longer range, every class has an advantage over a Pyro, while at close range, the Pyro has the advantage 90% of the time (unless you're a heavy/being backed up by a medic).
The key to beating a Pyro is keeping your distance. The key to being a pyro is closing the gap. And if you're a Backburner like me, NOT alerting the Soldier you're tailing that you are in fact there.
>>332178752
Wih the demand for silly cosmetics and unusuals. I'd argue that Tf2 is "Pay to Lose." Unusuals are essentially bulls-eye targets for snipers.
>>332194301
>mfw a soldier + medic use uber and try to destroy my sentry while I repair it faster then he damages it, from a mile away
they turn around and try to kill me when they realise it doesn't work but by then it's too late, the uber is gone and my sentry rapes them
erry fucking time
>>332194910
then it's a really bad med and solly couple
>>332194989
as they usually are.
>>332176841
>That phlog nerf
R.I.P pyro
anyone here played overwatch beta? is it as bad as I think it is?
>blizzard has stated multiple times they want to make it casual friendly
>players who aren't good at fps are supposed to do well
>ultimate looks like random crit on demand
pls don't ruin this blizz
>>332195695
mercy is just a medic but better
>>332195695
I wont play it if you cant turn ultimates off
>>332182363
>I played tf2 on PS3 since early 2008 without knowing a PC version existed until the next year, giving me shitty bronze.
Why can't these fucking badges upgrade automatically the more years it's been, fuck.
>>332194910
>Go direct hit
>Destroy sentry before the engie can even blink
>>332195707
Fuck, now I want to get texas ten gallon for my loadout
>The cheapest paint is now over 5 refined
>implying it isn't already dead
>>332197030
>77000 current players
>>332182363
I kinda wish I got the primeval warrior, or even the soldier of fortune one.
Grizzled Veteran badge color looks like shitty mustard yellow
>>332195695
From what I can tell, it's a little more casual and slow than TF2 but aside from that I don't have too many complaints. Blizzard has taken an interest in balancing the game, pretty much all the heroes are more unique than anything you can put together in TF2 (excluding spy) and it isn't bloated to hell like TF2 is either.
Plus, the community is there to play the game rather than sit around in trade servers. What I like about Overwatch when I compare it to TF2 is you're never left guessing what a hero can do. You know all the heroes abilities and how to properly react, whereas with TF2 if you see a demoman you're left wondering what the fuck they have in their secondary/melee slot. That's another thing- melee slots. Why does TF2 make you switch weapons when you want to melee? Just let me press a button to hit them, fucking hell. Overwatch looks like they have the core game figured out, TF2 has been out for years and Pyro/Spy are still useless, Demo is still broken.
>>332197191
Yes it's dead.
It's dead for everyone I want to play it with.
I wish it wasn't. I miss TF2.
matchmaking is fucking terrible, even with a 6-stack
How do I make this game run smoother?
getting heavy frame drops when the action happens all in one place
It turned into a trashy game with ugly cosmetrics and a weaboo fanbase.
It was fun from 2008-2012 when it still had a non-tumblr community, and the updates were active.
>>332176841
I always love mind gaming pyros by never firing off a rocket until they panic and air blast prematurely. It seriously always works. Even against people who main pyro.
>>332197443
>horse fucker fanbase
FTFY
>>332197548
this
friendle reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU1Qg1oWqz4
>>332198093
brilliant
>>332179837
Send one here pls? I have over 300 hrs and I'm dying to try comp http://steamcommunity.com/id/willpkberg/
>>332198317
>saying something like "over 300" like it's much
The game has been out for a long time, 300 is basically nothing.
WHEN IS THE NEXT COMIC VALVE?
YOU SAID IT WOULD BE FASTER THAN THE LAST ONE
oh pootis
>>332178752
I don't understand your reasoning, all TCG and CCG are "pay2win" that's just the nature of them. I don't understand you including WoW in there on the basis that it's not pay 2 win at all.
LETS QUEUE LADS EURO ONLY http://steamcommunity.com/id/coinscoinscoins
I just can't not have fun
>>332175706
Because there is no other casual FPS you can just hop on and play for fun. Everything else is SUPER COMPETITIVE E-SPORTS MTN DEW EDITION
>>332198604
Let's see if you're actually good or not then
After 2000+ hours, this is my only complaint of the game.
Love everything about it except the game part.
>he doesn't main LMAOBox Sniper
>>332198847
Not only you can play it casually, it also has the best movement in a still alive FPS outside of Quake Live
>>332185916
>>332186306
The 20tick thing is a meme. Noone actually knows and yet people post like they do
>b-but the wireshark data
No.
>We don't actually know what the tickrate of the servers is, I saw the thread with the wireshark capture, and it shows the client receiving packets every 50ms. This would indicate 20 tick, but this is only true if the client update rate = the server tick rate. Often the client update rate is a parameter that is set locally in the client that will be sent to the server when the client connects. The server then sends updates at that frequency. The server may actually be running at a higher tick rate, but if the client update rate is set to 20, then the server will only send an update every 50ms.
>So before you crucify the developers over 20 tick servers, figure out what the tick rate actually is, and whether the client update rate can be changed in a config
>>332198965
Get better. I can understand bad players complaining about it because it's truly the king of shitter-stompers next to soldier but after 2000+ hours you should be use to them enough by now to know how to deal with them using any class.
This is like someone who has played 2000+ hours of a fighting game complaining about a character when by then they should be able to dominate every character using any character, even the joke ones.
>>332199210
>tfw using Lmaobox scout against competitivefags
>all that elite salt
>>332186382
>>332186834
>>332186306
>>332185916
Mark my words, Overwatch is going to be very popular. It may take a little time to get there but the game is going to have staying power
>>332186045
>is easy as shit with a low skill ceiling, and looks pretty
I thought this too but watching characters like tracer or pharah has me thinking differently.
The kind of mid air mobile rockets shots she has to hit is equivalent to TF2 if not greater.
>>332199503
If it isn't popular now it will never be.
>>332199625
you're retarded
>>332199625
csgo was barely popular at all until valve started supported the competitive scene
>>332199859
you're retarded
>>332181795
100% correct on all counts, friend.
Soldier's balanced in the sense that he doesn't have an utility. All he does is kill. He kills good, but that's all he does, and against a team of competent people is just THE combat class, not a god.
It's pubs where he just shitstomps you, since pubs never communicate about objectives or pushes and just let him gunboat in, kill the medic and leave, then rinse repeat while they mill about doing nothing.
>>332176273
But is itfree?
>>332183909
>>332184118
>That moment when people don't realize that if that nerf was still used the Scottish Resistance would be better over the stock in almost every way.
>>332176273
>>>lovable characters without any fap-bait
then explain why every fucking TF2 *chan, forum, general, whatever is full of gay porn of the characters.
>>332182606
Vita Saw > Ubersaw >>>>>>>>>>Stock
>>332176273
>bringing in something new every time you play
Kek no
>>332199625
you realize...the game isnt out yet...right?
>>332179110
If your aim is good you're better off playing a class that can actually capitalize on that (i.e. not pyro or engineer)
>>332182606
Can't you unlock the Ubersaw for free?
>>332178752
Wait...you can get non-stock weapons even if you are F2P.
>>332200396
You do realize almost nobody who has played it likes the shitty moba-style "whoever ults first wins" gameplay, right? Nice ellipses.
Do you go to deviantart too?
>>332200330
VS is overpowered
>>332182363
>Started Playing around late 2008
>Account get hacked in 2009
>Make a new one
>Forever a BronzeI also ended up making another account before the game went F2P and bought the game a week before. Wish the hat I got wasn't to shit
>>332198965
>>332199443
They're now 100% easier to deal with now that they don't build with full hp or build as quickly. Just be sure to kill the Engie so he can't repair it if you aren't a power class.
>>332197384
Switch to DirectX 8
>>332199503
It'll do great on PC because of blizzdrones and the fact that you know blizzard is giving their other games free shit if you buy it.
It'll bomb on consoles though
>tfw I will never ever get an overwatch beta so I can use my TF2 skills to dominate shitters
>>332176273
Tbhonest tf2 seems like the greatest online multiplayer game but I can't enjoy it for some reason. Does anyone know this cruel feel for any other games?
>>332199227
This.
Source may be shit in some respects, but damn is it nice to move around with on maps with clean geometry.
>>332187957
Wish people would use shotgun as heavy, the sandvich might be a better upgrade. But the shotgun is just insanely fun to use as a walking tank.
>>332176273
>he doesnt fap to tf2 r34
>>332182363
>tfw people make fun of my bronze badge but I never take it off because the time I spent when I first got TF2 were the best gaming years of my life
>>332198965
>two rockets, 1 DH rocket
>bumrush it with fire
>one sticky or one pill
>fire your gun at it
>fire your pistol at it
>two crossbow bolts
>67% charged rifle shot, or even less with machina
>RTR if you want to fuck up the engineer's day, stock if you can't be bothered
the only class who should have any trouble with minis is the Scout, and that's because engineer is your counter. Even then, if the pistol is ready you can fuck them up.
otherwise, git fucking good
>>332200945
I wax and wane in my enjoyment of TF2. Sometimes I think it's the "best gayme evarXDDD". Other times, I lose all interest in it and can't remember what I saw in it.
Right now, I'm playing and enjoying it again. Too bad my Internet is shitty right now so I can't really play my best.
>fucking rubberbanding
>>332197749
Laughed once, aloud. You know, a "hah". I do like Themed outfits.
>>332198965
It was nerfed into uselessness awhile ago.
>>332201226
This thing can't even kill Scouts who know how to poke around corners to quickly blast it.
>>332188278
>Get a team full of friends
>2 of my friends and I actually play comp so we can carry the team no matter how dumb our team is
>Make one guy medic the others what every they want
>2 Backburner pyros
>Dumb BrassBeast heavies
>Mini Sentry engies
>In the end they usually give us enough opening to destroy the team in a push
>in the Winning screen they sometimes get a circle drawn around them with the word "Faggot" above it
It's fun to have no meta runsWho plays on Lakeside with the complete market garden loadout and kills everyone? Shit is hilarious
>>332181994
>use the shotgun as pyro
>in valve server
>couple wearing bronie icons and matching golden flamethrowers rage at me
>meme arrow me with"he uses teh shotgun on pyro"
>>332182363
Soldier of Fortune, started playing in the middle of 2008. Probably the most fun I've had playing TF2 since I had no idea what I was doing, and my favorite 4chan servers were still alive.
>>332198965
It's not a big deal now after its damage nerf and hp fucking it over
I'm such a pleb compared to you guys, never really been to /v/ more than 5 times.
only got 500 hours and I'm a bronze pleb who almost only played arena servers as spy and soldier. I had no idea the general idea was that spies are weak wtf
>>332176273
> no pay to win
this was always dubious since some new weapons would inevitably have some oversight making them very good in the short term, making it advantageous to buy them rather than wait until getting a drop after they inevitably get patched.
>>332202269
Soldier is THE strongest pub class in the game.
Literally
Stock
Gunboats
Whip
and you should never, ever drop below 5.0 KDA
>>332185559
I wish people like you who have only played the game for 10 minutes and parrot shit you hear from other people who have only played the game for 10 minutes would go away
Spy is the worst class in the game.
>TF2 thread
>no one mentions Mann vs Machine
quite literally the best gamemode to play in TF2.
the only problem is that valve is filled with jews that will make you pay to play it
>>332202652
No, shooting bots is boring.
>>332202652
its filled with hackers and memesters
>>332202652
You can play boot camp without paying a single cent, you just don't get drops.
>Australium SMG drop in your first Two Cities tour, back when they were still worth 25+ keys.
>>332202474
You can borrow any weapon you want now. This is a non issue.
>>332201991
Yeah, bronyfaggots are a pain.If you're a fellow ausfag you might have run into the two hackers that plague our Payload servers? They always carry Australiums and travel in pairs
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/weraidservers
What I like to do when ponyscum are in the server is surreptitiously start a votekick on them for scamming, or whatever. Sometimes people just don't read it and it goes through.
Either way they're fucking morons and you're in the right. Highlander meta loadout since Tough Break from Plat down has been Deg+Shotgun Pyro.
>check backpack.tf for the first time in over a year
>mfw buds are now 392 keys
can someone explain what exactly happened?
>>332202483
yes I know and ofc I pub stomped like crazy with both soldier and spy really easy classes.
However arena servers often had better players atleast back in the days
>>332203147
Those are uncraftable ones and those are rare for some reason. Normal earbuds aren't even 3 keys anymore.
I saw some anons talking about the competitive beta earlier. Does anyone still have an invite? I would appreciate it!
>>332203147
More like 2.6
The market shifted towards having keys in a higher esteem then metal or buds.
>>332176553
Lol you're a fucking idiot. Everyone fucks up your experience, plenty of russians are just fine. Dont try to place your blame on one group of people.
Most expensive item you've ever unboxed/won,go
For me it was an Aus Sniper Rifle,which i sold for 50 keys
>>332178476
>Actually liking Muselk
He feels so incredibly fake it makes my skin crawl.
>>332204184
Unboxed me a Cloudy Moon Company Man back during the eyeball halloween and sold it for $1900 the next day. Used the money to upgrade my pc, get new tires, and put the rest in the bank.
I've never gotten anything above strange since but then again I don't really try.
>>332178752
>all my friends shit on TF2 all the time
>"all people do on that is buy hats and shit and never play the actual game, it's pretty much pay to win"
>all of them spend hundreds of dollars on CS:GO knives that do fucking nothing
>>332189769
I've got bronze and the lament
where were you?
>>332204184
I have a couple of unusuals which are probably worth fuck all now.
>>332204406
Did you report that on your taxes for that year, anon?
>>332204184
Never really got anything expensive, as the most expensive thing I've probably ever had is a strange stock weapon. A friend of mine unboxed an unusual Heavy hat, but it was shit in price
I've got a few keys, should I unbox some shit?
>>332205260
Yeah. Didn't really change much.
>>332175706
>tfw every other server I join has someone spamming "GET GOOD, GET LMAOBOX"
>>332197548
I fall for it all the time and I hate it. And yet it's still worth waiting for the one dumbshit soldier who manages to get his whole team killed by firing blindly at a Pyro.
>Community is what's basically keeping the game alive
>Fans have themed mapping contests ever year, alot of them are legitimately great maps
>Make tons of great looking weapons too
>Two of the three community updates are just cosmetic shit and nothing else
Invasion was a slight step to the right direction but was still lame because they only had 4 aliens weapons and maps and one of those maps was a reskin of 2Fort of all things.
Hey guys mapmaker here with a question
How well do you think a reverse-pyramid-style 5CP mode map would work out?
As in, it's sort of like Gravel Pit, but in reverse. After capturing mid, the attacking team can immediately capture Last 1 or Last 2 to win.
I think this would help stop defensive stalemates, while also allowing for very short respawn times meaning the action is constant. The team who lost mid would be moving backwards and forwards between their two last points to defend OR trying to attack mid to get it back, while the team who won would be trying to defend mid while also pushing in to either last 1 or 2.
Would this work?
>>332205728
This, also fucking spamming that dumb fucking meme face in chat. I don't know when people suddenly learned how to make chat binds but I wish they fucking hadn't.
>>332205886
Invasion was a lateral move because "lol aliens and serious sam" runs completely opposite to the artstyle and setting TF2 had established.
> still caring about TF2's artstyle in year 20XX
>>332206093
that's called cp_steel anon and that map sucks
>>332205886
>and one of those maps was a reskin of 2Fort of all things.
the thing that made me particularly mad about that one was they had an excuse to fix some of the underlying flaws with 2fort and make it more enjoyable to play, but they didn't do it
>>332176273
>2 maps
>>332206360
If anything it's more frustrating now because of the stupid explosive pods around the map.
>>332206329
1: cp_steel isn't symmetrical control point, it's attack/defend.
2: cp_steel is one of the best, most strategic maps in the game, and is immensely popular among both Highlander players AND 6v6 players for the decisionmaking it allows and the way it accommodates every class. That's no mean feat.
>>332206459
yep, as if 2fort needed more fucking spam to clog up the hallways
>>332202483
>Gunboats
Please, gunboats are absolutely useless if you know where the medpacks are.
Shotgun or one of the banners.
ctf_well is the best official map
prove me wrong
>>332206832
>Please, gunboats are absolutely useless if you know where the medpacks are.
>>332206629
>and is immensely popular among 6v6 players
>>332206868
> ctf_
Stopped reading there
>>332206629
Regardless the map is shit and most people don't even know what point D looks like.
The inherent problem with your map layout is that whoever capped mid would have an infinite advantage. The team that capped mid chooses which last to cap and all go there while the defending team has to either guess which point they're going to or split the team up to defend both and scramble to get to the one that they did attack.
>>332185678
What the fuck is with the Soldier on the far left?
>>332206093
It would work, but you might want to make them longer to capture since there's 2 options to capture. I would be afraid games might end a little quicker if one team doesn't defend the right one in time, but if you make it possible for defenders to move between their bases fast enough it should be good.
>>332206832
>Please, gunboats are absolutely useless if you know where the medpacks are.
please just uninstall your game right now
>>332206868
I still don't understand why they went with "control the fort" when they cameup with these maps.
>>332206868
That title belongs to cp_granary
>>332206629
I hate cp_steel. I'm sure it's a great map in competitive settings where all players are good, but when I play TF2 in the usual casual pub setup it never works. If we're attacking, several of our guys always try to go to the last point to cap it and fail constantly, and then we don't have enough of a force to push the other points. If we're defending, the enemy team throws a few scouts at the last point and no one bothers to stop them unless I go Soldier and blow them up, and one mistake from me means the entire round is over.
>>332207150
stop playing on shitty valve servers
it improves your fun in many ways
>>332206868
Okay, well:
It's a capture the flag map, so that's already off to a bad start. Even Valve has said CTF splits teams into offense and defense and is a flawed mode. Next up is the water all over the map- water hinders performance, fucks over the already pathetic Pyro and Spy classes, and allows explosive jumping classes to get an edge. Finally, it's because there is only two ways into the actual base from mid. They are covered by shutter doors (again fucking over Spies because they have to wait for someone to open them before they can go through if invisible), and a single Sentry can cover both of them. Even in the days of Team Fortress Classic, there were three entries from the front of Well into the inside; the two doors, plus grate. Now there's only the two doors.
>>332207150
Dont forget about players that get losttfw when you get lost around cp_steel and you stumble upon fellow lost players
>>332207062
something about the early maps looks reinforces how phenomenal the art direction was for the game, and then you look at the modern state of the game where "Cliffside pagoda while cherry blossoms fall" is an actual map added to the official rotation.
>>332207627
Is there any mp game where people whine that much about aesthetics?
Most maps look good still
What is the shittiest map and whyare turbine and 2fort tied on that title?
>>332207627
too bad those original maps look good but play like fucking garbage
granary and gravelpit were okay but holy shit they did not know what made a good map back then
>>332206959
>Regardless the map is shit
No it's not. Don't base your knowledge of a map solely from pubs.
>The inherent problem with your map layout is that whoever capped mid would have an infinite advantage.
That already applies in linear CP, anon. The simple way of fixing that is having non-moving spawns. That way, when someone who captures mid dies, they have to walk all the way back (similarly to defenders on Gravelpit). However it also means the team getting rolled gets to be alive more often.
>>332207150
I hated Steel too once. Then I got gud. It's actually fucking amazing.
>>332207763
there is no map worse than this one
people forget it's in the game because no-one wants to play it, at all
>>332207224
Valve servers tend to be more balanced then any other server I play on.
Whenever I play on a community server it's always the same shit. Within a few rounds I can usually tell who all the good players are, and I begin to notice that every single time said good players all join onto the same team and always win. So at this point I'm stuck with two options on the server, always join up with the good players and win without effort, or join the shit players and get stuck having to play Soldier all the time in a futile attempt to carry a team of shit.
>>332207842
how about you actually design your damn map past an mspaint diagram and then come back
shit like
>The simple way of fixing that is having non-moving spawns.
makes it sound like you have no idea how mapmaking works
>>332207224
>Enter random server
>Hookshot is enabled
>>332207984
most good community servers have good balance systems in place, and the average skill level is way higher
sure, yes, valve servers can be more "balanced" but if "balanced" means that both teams have equal amounts of friendly heavies ("dont kill plz") and shitters flying around with parachutes that doesn't actually mean much
>>332207903
The concept of "underground train station/warehouse" is cool, but every game on this map is abysmal.
>>332207903
Oh boy this map. I think it is even worse than plr maps. Junction is pure superaidscancer.
>>332207984
Fuck valve servers half the time
>payload snow map
>we're defending
>Blue can't get past the 2nd point
>1 minute til we win
>Faggotdicks32 has called a vote for autobalance
>It goes through
>The person who called the vote was on the losing team and has 400 points compared to 2nd place who has 45
>faggotdicks32: Lennyface
>>332207903
heyo, I love you, I wish tidal was a thing, but this map is just awful.
>>332208095
>enter non valve server
>pinion
>>332204324
do your wounds heal?
>>332207842
Even playing it in comp was a slog. No one on either team wanted to play it.
>That already applies in linear CP
Wow, so you're a retard and you're too up your own ass with your shitty map idea to see when people point out the inherent flaws with such a thing. You wanna know what people don't like in fighting games? 50/50 guessing game mixups. I pretty sure TF2 players don't want to have an entire game ride on a single one of those and possibly still not being able to make a full reversal and take mid after making the right guess. Linear CP at least if they lose mid they know where the enemy team is going next and can properly defend against it and push back properly.
>>332208442
heyo made egypt, borneo, and harvest, too, which are decent to great maps
nothing against the guy, junction is just complete shit
>>332207627
Well if you liked suijin so much anon you'll LOVE the next map from the same creator being submitted to the workshop
>>332208000
>shit like
Let me break it down a little bit for your slightly slow brain.
5CP keeps things even by moving the spawns of the team who's currently winning forwards. As the losers are fighting closer and closer to home, the winners' home moves up to close that gap.
In this scenario, with having to defend two different points the losers of mid will be at a disadvantage. However, this disadvantage will be outweighed by the winning team needing to travel further across the map from their spawn to get where they want to be, although they can choose which point they wish to attack.
>how about you actually design your damn map past an mspaint diagram and then come back
Sure. I was just looking for feedback, though, rather than people telling me my concept was cp_steel. That's just silly.
>>332206832
>Gunboats
>Not the best soldier secondary
Wew lad
>>332208657
>another map full of unneeded textures and partical effects to make a 2007 game that already has performance optimization problems have even more of those because he has george lucas syndrome
that guy needs to stop
>>332208460
Didn't pinion died when they unpermitted extended delay on joining teams?
0-4 dont reinstall
5-9 reinstall
>>332206868
>ctf_well
>Not koth_lakeside
>>332208934
good ridance
I bet you enjoyed payload race
>>332208531
>Even playing it in comp was a slog. No one on either team wanted to play it.
What sort of league were you playing where nobody liked Steel?
>You wanna know what people don't like in fighting games? 50/50 guessing game mixups
TF2 is not a fightan game, it's an FPS.
> I pretty sure TF2 players don't want to have an entire game ride on a single one of those and possibly still not being able to make a full reversal and take mid after making the right guess
I think it would encourage teamwork by coming down to knowing where the enemy is headed and having good communication/using Scouts wisely.
Whatever. I'll put up a mockup on tf2maps and see if anyone can help me get it working. If it does turn out to be as bad as you think, it was no harm trying.Thank you for your feedbackyou dirty filthy ape.
>>332208657
problem is that you can't tell anything for shit from just a diagram - a diagram of gravelpit can be a diagram of junction too, one is great and the other is hot garbage
also, don't be a pedantic dipshit, i know how 5cp spawns work
the problem with what you're suggesting is that it just means attackers get such a massive disadvantage that the game won't end. the area where the teams meet is the place where they meet up when walking from their spawns - maps are completely designed around this (5cp always has teams meet up in an area just before the point, payloads and the like always in chokes). what you're suggesting means that there's an endless advantage to the defending team. locking points doesn't matter, you get a powerhouse stalemate scenario. i'd like to see your idea realized but please do move the spawns up (or open shortcuts, or SOMETHING) because otherwise it's going to be an incredible slog
>>332206093
This doesn't work.
The reason why there are 5caps and not 3 is because if your team wipes at mid you HAVE to give up second. Making second last means games are decided entirely by mids.
>the scout main bitches about the gunslinger
>>332208657
is that your map? are you detailing your map before even being sure of your most basic concept of it?
>>332176273
spot on
>>332209213
>implying anyone uses the gunslinger
>>332209213
>tf2
>mains
If you don't switch classes on the fly you're doing it wrong
>>332208892
It's a girl weeaboo, which is why everyone is sucking the map creator's dick on tf2maps and steam workshop
http://tf2maps.net/members/freyja.5082/
Same thing goes for the creator of Sunshine/Swiftwater, who is fucking awful at geometry and made one of the worst last points ever added to a competitive map on Sunshine, but everyone sucks his dick because he's a transgender ""female"" furfag.
http://tf2maps.net/members/phi.12415/
>>332209237
No, you fucking dongus. Read the post chain
>>332209313
>Not liking battle engi
>>332209313
It's definetly still usable post nerfs,It has good synergy with the FJ and pistol,people just didn't get over the 'drop and go' playstyle.
>>332175706
It's already dead. 80k people on any given day is the most this game can manage nowadays. That's nothing.
>>332209543
Phi is one of the best competitive mapmakers currently making maps though, regardless of your hatred
remember these videos /v/ ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g
so i did the tough break thing and i'm gold, am i gonna be getting more tough break cases etc or do i only get the ones i got from doing the contracts?
>>332209646
My favorite battle engie loadout relies on the panic attack. I've decimated people just because they don't expect you to suddenly rapidfire a shotgun into their face. Slap down a mini to distract them and it works even better.
>>332208934
lets see
>>332209747
Where are the facts?
>>332209119
>What sort of league were you playing where nobody liked Steel?
UGC HL Silver and ETF2L Division 4 HL. Almost unanimous with any team I played on or against that steel was a waste of time.
>TF2 is not a fightan game, it's an FPS.
No shit. Are you fucking retarded or something because you missed the point so hard it gave me chlamydia?
>i think
Well, we all know how well that works. All I foresee is a tug-o-war at mid that will end in a guessing game on where they're going and if they guess wrong they lose, if they split up they lose, and it they guess right they still might lose.
Get it working, get some good players in there, both 6s and HL format, and see which of our hypotheses turns out to be correct.
>>332209543
>girl weeaboo
>probably a fujoshi too
>>332209906
Just going by how Phi went through endless versions of Sunshine, gradually testing and making changes with help from the competitive community, making one of the most liked maps for 6v6 on both continents? That's the facts, faggot
Edifice was a fun map too and whatever that greenhouse map is looks like it will get a ton of feedback as well
who gives a shit about geometry if the gameplay is good
>>332209747
>sunshine
>mid is cluttered, second cramps you into a tiny low-ceilinged area in the lighthouse, last is generally agreed to be one of the worst last points of any 5CP map
>reckoner
>instead of team colours it has green and yellow everywhere because muh special snowflake
>swiftwater? more like chokewater
>geometry is also terrible here, and buildings are just generally thrown around with 0 regard for map narrative, especially mining fences, lots and lots of mining fences
Yeah nah, he's fucking awful. People just don't want to look transphobic.
>>332210086
>who gives a shit about geometry
Anyone who hates koth_king. Enjoy rolling out into a sign or clipping into some stupid piece of shit jutting out from the wall, faggot.
>>332209738
If you say so.
>>332209968
>No shit. Are you fucking retarded or something because you missed the point so hard it gave me chlamydia?
The point is obvious and it still doesn't work. They're completely fucking different genres. People don't like RNG in competitive fightan but accept it in competitive TCGs.
>Get it working, get some good players in there, both 6s and HL format, and see which of our hypotheses turns out to be correct.
sure m8
>>332210218
swiftwater is a very mediocre map but not made by phi, good fucking job
reckoner is literally in a1
sunshine is one of the most popular competitive maps
you have no clue what you're talking about
>>332210345
good thing sunshine and the likes are made for and criticized by 6v6 players who will be anal about the tiniest clips, so they're not there
>>332176273
Not to mention said community making maps like Mario Kart.
>>332210218
He made that payload shitshow? Christ. That picture even showcases the worst part of the map.
>tfw i first played TF2 onXbox 360
>stock weapons only
>no hats
those were good times
>mfw completely carrying every MvM team as a Soda Popper,Mad Milk,and Fan o War scout
>>332210552
no, he didn't
anon is talking out of his ass
>>332176273
AnOOOOOOONN can we have new weapons pls PLS!
>>332210485
>swiftwater is a very mediocre map but not made by phi
well fuck you, he was talking the whole time like it was his map during testing over chat, all this time I thought it was his
>sunshine is one of the most popular competitive maps
By which you mean "everyone bitches about it at any fucking chance they get about how awful everything but the chokes are"?
It's visually a shitty jumble of styles that make no sense together, and from a gameplay perspective it's literally just Process 2: Cramped Boogaloo
>>332210483
>People don't like RNG in competitive fightan but accept it in competitive TCGs
Oh yeah. That's why RANDOM crits are enabled in comp, eh? That's why damage spread is enabled in comp, eh? Are you high???
People in fighting games are the ones that accept it because one 50/50 does not single-handedly decide whether the person loses the entire round. That shit holds far more weight in the scenario you have planned out and that single wrong guess could end the entire round. Get the cement out from your frontal lobe, please.
>>332210796BONUS DUCK
>>332210916
do you even play comp? because it sure as fuck sounds like you don't, it's being ran in all the big regions for multiple seasons now, because it's a good map
bitching about visuals just kind of shows that you don't know what you're talking about, gullywash is fucking loved as well and it looks like complete garbage
>>332176273
>all things you can buy are cosmetics
except weapons
>>332199468
Haha nice but you're still a failure
>>332211278
Which you can rent. For free.
>>332210552
no, my bad, that was "what is schwa"
you can tell why I made the mistake though, they both have a major hard-on for the wooden mining fence texture
>>332211395
But anonit's just a game:^)
>no more custom maps
>only custom maps to play are trade_minecraft and the shitty updated mario kart
i miss that one pacman CP map and duke nukem cp map
I wish pl_cashworks was an official map. But knowing half the playerbase is full of morons, that will never happen.
>>332211947
just put it up to valve being tasteless idiots
there's been talk about them wanting to remove maps from the game now though, so who knows
>>332210981
Yes, and no I'm not posting profile so you can decry me as some sort of transphobe to your SJW buddies, Phi.
>it's being ran in all the big regions for multiple seasons now, because it's a good map
Bullshit. Plenty of shitty maps have been run widely before. Even in the earliest days they ran fucking 2fort.
They're running it because they need Process but don't want to look like they're spamming the same map repeatedly, and Sunshine is the answer, it's literally Process with less room to move around.
>bitching about visuals just kind of shows that you don't know what you're talking about
It can't hurt to make your map look good, or at least consistent, if you're expecting it to get added to the game. Gullywash looks nowhere near as bad as Sunshine- it's in-artstyle and only certain parts like the mid cap look off, whereas entire sections of Sunshine are fucking disgusting or make no sense at all (what holds up the ramp on the lighthouse that's just floating in midair, or the ramp at mid which is also just floating)?
Do you ever got those 'Shallow your pride and say 'GG' moments?
>Be Pyro, Stock Flamethrower, Scorch Shot and HomewreckerGot to defend those engineers m8
>Suddenly, a wild enemy Demoman shows up
>It's an 1vs1, I expect him to stickyspam like all demoman does
>He, instead, uses his pill launcher
>He lands all his 3 pills to kill me, he actually intentionally delays his pills to avoid get them reflected, no sticky spamming, no shields, no tricks but utter and sheer skill
>I just shallow my pride and type "Well played"
>'Thanks'
And the game continued, but I had that demoman on my list of targets for the rest of the game
>>332204324
He's one of the few I like. What about him feels fake? If anyone feels fake to me, it's Star_. I used to watch his older Diablo 2 Median stuff back in 2011 and it's kind of like watching a different person. Granted, people change over time, but he seems to overreact to shit now.
>>332212229
meant for >>332211235
Question from a guy that hasn't played in 3 years
Are the Saxton Hale maps still around?
>>332212327
yes but now they're filled with brony cancer
is pyro not the most fucking annoying class to play against?
least skillful class ever. just m1 and w. and a "skilled" pyro just taps m1, m2, and then one hit shotgun kills you midair.
>>332212483
>sniper
>m1s your head from the other side of the map
>ded
At least you can back away out of Pyros' range. Or shoot them with your gun and have it do ramped-up damage.
>>332212483
So what you consider to be a 'Skilled Pyro'
>>332212237
>3 pills to kill a pyro
Wat
i play the game now and then and only play payload.
>>332212229
I'm not Phi, I'm just a regular on tf.tv and the comp community forums, I didn't know Phi was a transgender faggot or whatever, and I don't give a shit if someone's an asexual panromantic chair in a three-boobed gay tiger's body when they produce good maps
the response to sunshine has been mainly positive, check literally any thread for it on a competitive site - but yes, last is the point that's been changed around most, which always happens with 5cps (there's barely any 5cp maps that manage to create a good last, somehow it's hard as balls). it doesn't mean the entire map is bad
shit like that screenshot is purely to decrease polycount and/or preserve gameplay, because again, no-one in comp would give a shit if the map was made to look like a giant turd as long as it gave them 1 more frame per second
if you hate phi because he's a faggot, sure, whatever, but don't come here spouting map philosophy shit when you clearly have no clue
>>332212483
mfw i get more kills with flares than i do with my flamethrower
>>332175706
it pays you to play it it's still fun
>>332210916
goodnight Phi, it's too late to wait for your long-winded reply about how every differing viewpoint is wrong and your maps are utterly flawless
>>332212624
The only time I ever die to snipers is when Im either not aware they're up or if the person playing is a top div player
their options for fighting within the range of every other class are almost nonviable.
>>332212679
there's no such thing
pyro is a shit class with shit balancing and shit mechanics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdNm1b2-E2w
>>332212941
yfw you're still playing a shit class that shouldnt exist.
>>332212483
>being this much of a shitter
>>332210634
>Engies with sentries under the map
no
>>332212237
it's not spam if it hits you
Is there ANY reason to play Spy nowadays? The Sniper with the Classic can do anything the Spy can from across the map.
>>332213032
>this assblasted about the least threatening class in the game
Aahahahahahhahaha
>>332213301
>imploding the least threatening class isnt a tie between spy and sniper
>>332213282
getting info and the occasional med pick
>hear they introduced ranked matchmaking
>there are no actual ranks
>everyone in it is terrible
>>332176273
>shady rival groups seeking to take over the world changes into a two wacky groups ruled by senile old men obsessed with gravel
>norman rockwell artstyle destroyed by ugly clashing cosmetics and weapons
>shit gamemodes nobody plays
>spy still garbage
>mlp cosmetics
>>332213282
In HL? because you have to
In 6v6? on the rare 1% of occasions where you need to break a stalemate with a surprise pick, and your Sniper has no line of sight or anyone else
In matchmaking? Probably not at all tbqhfam, if Valve doesn't buff him his competitive pickrate is going to fall from 1% to 0%
>>332212985
was this supposed to be before >>332212890?
because you were arguing the map wasn't liked in comp, and it was, and your shitty phi conspiracy doesn't fly
good luck with your mspaint "map" though
For all intents and purposes, it's already dead.
>>332213552
TF2's plot was better when it was a very subtle Cold War analogy where shit like Utopian Australia and Ms. Pauling didn't exist.
>>332213497
>ranked matchmaking
>no class limits
>no weapon limits
>people will call this competitive
incoming quickfix/heavy stalemates.
>>332213713
I don't disagree, but all of the comics have been absolute gold.
>>332213032
You sound buttblasted and you should get good
>>332213713
what impact did all that even have on the game
spoiler: nothing
>>332213680
i get that you're memeing but do people actually think this?
Is the economy still shit
>guys I have a brilliant idea
>what if we gave sniper an unlock
>that can headshot and only takes one second to charge
>and uses EXPLOSIVE HITBOXES
>brilliant
>>332214042
it's even worse
there is no reason to play this game solely for the trading
it's cancer
>>332214106
are you seriously calling the huntsman overpowered
>have the most fun at pyro, can play others but I don't like them as much
>friends forcing me to play scout or something because they will only do comp match making once it's out of beta
>scout is the class I like the least, and have next to no skill with
I mean, if they weren't all better than me with thousands more hours, I would say fuck off and just play pyro but this is just making me not want to play.
>>332214130
>there is no reason to play this game solely for the trading
You mean all the stupid fucking slavs, pinoys and chinks trying to earn more rice money have left?
Sounds like a fucking paradise, wish we could do the same to Dota 2 and CS:GO.
>>332214042
when they let people trade as many things as they want in one trade, buds prices dropping a TON.
also keys are 20 ref
>>332214232
proof that scrubs play pyro
also proof that pyro has the lowest skill floor and ceiling
>inb4 but what about heavy
heavy has far less movement than pyro and more health to compensate.
>>332206891
>>332207053
>>332208694
>He thinks a secondary that steals your shotgun and DOESN'T give you passive regen or +20 HP is good because it saves you 15 HP per rocket jump
Get fucking good you F2Ps.
>>332214228
Yes? Its downside only matters if theres a good sniper on the enemy team. It's the ONLY weapon in the game you can fire and forget, miss completely, and it registers as a 360 damage headshot, and you can do this every 2s. Hell even if it isn't, you still do 120 damage. It's a lazy fucking weapon for shitters.
>>332214591
>proof that scrubs play pyro
>also proof that pyro has the lowest skill floor and ceiling
You really should stop being salty
It's not healthy for you
>>332185678
My nignog, shame that the mod isn't as populated as I would like it to be.
>>332207018
It's a special class called the Mercenary, unique to the (quite frankly stupid) free-for-all Deathmatch mode.
>tfw tf2r will never not be shit again
>>332214598
>relies on medpacks
hahahaha dude yeah man I hope I play against people like you. easy pickins.
>>332214713
and that it's not hitscan
which is fucking huge, because guess what? not having to predict where someone is in a bit is pretty good
>>332214309
Dota2 and CS:GO are why TF2 has lost most of its slavs and jews
>>332214598
so that's why no-one good uses it
oh wait every fucking high end player does, woah
>>332214809
Which only matters at very long distances, ie sniper fights.
Everyone else fights at medium/close range where that doesn't matter.
>>332208657
>Talking shit about cp_steel
>>332214591
Dude I know pyro sucks, that's why I'm not being a jerk and just playing it to spite my friends, I just don't really wanna play if I'm not playing pyro.
Unfortunately they're really the only friends I can play with.
>>332214960
if you're playing sniper you're best at long ranges, why the fuck would you want to give up all that power?
at medium ranges almost every class in the game can do your job better than you
>>332214809
here's how the weapon is used almost 100% of the time
>sniper
>cuntsman
>fire at corners, doorways, chokepoints
>as soon as you let go of m1, retreat behind cover
>hitsound
repeat forever
>>332214598
Taking 15 damage per jump is pretty good.
>>332215007
>liking cp_steel
must be a pyro main
>>332215052
not only that but at medium range most class will dunk you every time unless they're bad
Non-F2P Poorfag here
I want to play Mann up, but I have no ticket (still 1 ref away from buying one)
Regular MvM pub are full of shitters and are always on normal difficulty
I know all the MvM meta, I main Pyro/Engineer, but also can play Scout/Medic/Demoman/Soldier
I wear the Gibus, the Googles and Gear Grind Badge
So how cancerous I am?
>Shortstop
>Bonk! Atomic Punch
>Sandman
What do you think of this scout loadout? I like to use it when I get bored of the vanilla scout loadout.
>people saying tf2 is dead
>170 unique IPs posting in this thread
>>332215185
are you just trying hard to be cancerous? because you sure are
also get fucking used to playing every class, all of them are easy as shit on MvM anyway
>>332214106
Fuck off shitter. Huntsman has one of the biggest skill ceiling in the game. You can get lucky headshots once in a while but to use it consistently and be effective with it at all ranges requires a lot of practice. Its also super satisfying to use and makes pub brony shitters rage hard.
>>332214794
Or, you know, a medic or an engineer. But you've clearly just installed the game so you may not know who those guys are.
>>332214909
Yes, they're called roamers. For every single other soldier playstyle the gunboats are worthless compared to every other secondary he has.
Even the fucking Bison is better.
>>332215269
I personally roll FaN, Pistol and Wrap Assassin.
>>332215052
>why the fuck would you want to give up all that power?
360 damage every 2s that you don't have to aim AT ALL and a hitbox this big? Gee I don't know why you would want that.
>>332215393
>Yes, they're called roamers.
so, half the soldiers on a competitive team, and the job he has 90% of the time in pubs
"useless" my ass
>>332215393
I think you mean "if you have a med up your ass constantly the gunboats aren't as good".
>>332215358
>biggest skill ceiling
more like biggest hitboxes :^)
>>332215393
>new to the game
:^)
so if you have a pocket med then dont worry about anything. and if you're sitting a disp then dont worry either, you're only causing your team to lose.
>>332215269
Stock + Sandman + Cleaver is the only way to play scout, amigo
>Sentry go go down and up and damnit gotta move that gear
>>332215358
>at all ranges requires a lot of practice
an arrow can fly over someones shoulder and it counts as a headshot, that takes skill? the hitbox is bigger than heavy and it's the same for every class. It's the "I want to play sniper but I don't want to aim: the unlock" Just spam into choke and LOL ACCIDENTALLY HEADSHOT THE MEDIC XDDD
You know people complain about soldier and demo but overall sniper has more bullshit straight upgrade unlocks than every other fucking class. The only truly bad weapon he has is the classic, everything else is either decent in most situations or completely broken.
>>332215516
you don't do 360 damage on every part of that hitbox, and neither is is every 2 seconds - it only does 360 when fully charged, dumbfuck
also if it's anywhere that's not medium range at best it's completely worthless, as is any class that gets too close in your face
the sniper rifle is superior in every single way and way more dangerous in the hands of a competent player, just because you get bodyshot like a retard on some shitty valve server doesn't mean it's OP
It's mechanically solid, free, runs on damn near anything, and is easy to get into.
>>332215827
>all those Riverside remixes
>>332215326
>are you just trying hard to be cancerous? because you sure are
Cool, and what makes me 'really' cancerous for you
How many hats does /v/ own?
>>332208934
let me try although I traded all my shit away
>>332215517
You realize that competitive players make up less than 10% of the playerbase, right? Soldier isn't even always roamer, either. You've also never played a comp game in your life.
>>332215561
Or if he just heals you to full after your rollout. Which takes all of two seconds.
>>332215736
You're a fucking dunce. Stopping at the dispenser to recover from a rollout or a retreat does not cause your team to lose. See above for the dumbass shit you said about medic.
>>332216082
giving a shit about cosmetics, and then wearing the shittiest ones that everyone knows signify a complete shitter
>>332216202
get mad nerd
you're trash.
>>332216147
i raffled all my shit off on tf2r years ago
>>332216202
>You realize that competitive players make up less than 10% of the playerbase, right? Soldier isn't even always roamer, either. You've also never played a comp game in your life.
I'm literally about to start one, dipshit. Gunboats are the current fucking meta.
>Soldier isn't even always roamer, either.
Yes, let me just wait around until I get a buttbuddy medic in a pub and babysit his ass. Oh no, wait, I don't want to do that, I want to fly around the map with very little negatives because I have the gunboats
best map
>>332216202
good luck getting that maneuverability bonus as soldier then
you're probably like iron tier and never rocketjump at all or you're basing your opinion wholly on valve servers.
>>332216268
>Y-you're dumb!!
Cute
Come back when you get good at video games
Oh, wait, this is /v/.
>>332216398
it's one of the worst
>>332216335
>raffled
>not selling your shit
I made so much bank off old tf2 shit that I kept getting free steam games pretty much forever
>>332216458
You're one of the worst.
>>332216410
well when your replies are trash why would I put any thought at all into it? you're a trash player so you get trash responses.
>>332216398
>playing on RED
>that feel when Engineers on RED who try to build in the shack near the right BLU exit
>>332216398
if you're a demoman who knows how to vaguely aim for a corridor, maybe
for everyone else, no, it's garbage
>>332216501
enjoy 20 minute long stalemates
>>332216395
>With very little negatives
You don't have a shotgun
You aren't regenerating up to 4 HP per second
You don't have a shotgun
You don't have 220 max health
You don't have a fucking shotgun you scrub holy shit
You don't get free minicrits
You don't have whatever the soldier's stock secondary is
Sniper nerfs when
Spy buffs when
Pyro buffs when
Sentry nerfs when
Heavy buffs when
Random crit removal when
>>332216485
you'd make more bank "pretty much forever" if you still had shit you could bet
I haven't actually bought shit ever since I won a CS:GO jackpot before there were a million websites for it, I've just been betting the shitty knives I got from it ever since and have never had less than a couple hundred steam funbux
>>332216398
>20 minutes of constant stalemate because of 2 or more defending engies on final point in final round.
Seriously, its not fun even on the winning side of it.
>>332216672
>Im so bad at aiming that I need a shotgun
>how do I keep track of a number between 0-4?
>Im garbage
also
>whatever the soldier's stock secondary is
newfaggotry
>>332215964
>you don't do 360 damage on every part of that hitbox
No just anywhere in the top 1/4th where as regular snipers have to hit a box a fraction of the size.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asahh_Fen4M
>it only does 360 when fully charged
It only takes 1 second to charge and another second to shoot another. For comparison stock takes 3.3s to do full damage on each shot.
>also if it's anywhere that's not medium range at best it's completely worthless
99% of combat in TF2 is medium range.
>as is any class that gets too close in your face
The same could be said for regular sniper but he regularly shits on close combat classes anyway. Huntsman in that regard is a straight upgrade. Not to mention his team will either kill you first for overextending or trade kills.
It's not seen in comp because you lose sniper v sniper fights.
>>332216532
More like you've realized that the person you're arguing with knows more than nothing at all about TF2 and thus you have no argument to make so you've resorted to name-calling to save face
>>332216978
>More like you've realized that the person you're arguing with knows more than nothing at all about TF2
glad you understand where Im coming from then
it's nice to see people admit when they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
>>332216978
>>332217135
You just played yourself
>>332216869
>Soldier
>Aiming
MY SIDES
I like how you're pretending that every encounter is a 1-on-1, too.
>>332216398
This, Dustbowl is the god-tier pub map.
>>332217259
It's because he only plays pubs, where that's pretty much the case.
Huntsman is only overpowered in the fact that the collision hull for the arrow is the same as rockets, and that it also uses collision hulls for hit detection.
Fix those two issues and it should be fine.
>>332216885
Attack interval 1.94 s
Maximum charge time 1.0 s
Aim fatigue 5.0 s
>>332215945
>oh wow I walked into a lucky arrow hurr it OP
same thing can be said about random crits. This weapon doesnt have them so Its only fair.
Its extremely hard to predict enemy movement at long range and nightmare at close range. Any class can buttfuck you if they get intimate with you as you dont have any defenses. Especially since bushwaka was nerf to hell.
That is why it forces you to keep medium range where sniper is very vulnurable because of demoniggers and soldiers spam.
But once you take your time to git gud it really becomes satisfying popping headshot left and right. Its feels so good when scout goes on you ziggzagging like hes on speed, thinking he can take potshots at you and you take him out with a clean headshot.
This weapon leaves no room for mistakes thats why its so fun
Its much easier to click on heads from a distance as regular sniper tbqh
>>332217313
>t. red demoman
posting actually good pub maps
>>332217135
>what is reading comprehention
Are you pretending to be retarded, anon?
>>332217390
>people actually think this
i dont even know what to say. why do you think that most snipers use the stock then?
>>332217259
I guarantee you're only winning more than 1v2+ fights because you're playing with bad players that cant aim or move. if you knew shit all about tf2 you wouldnt be getting into 1v2+ fights.
>>332216672
but instead you can bomb the enemy team for free and get out again for free
it's pretty good
>>332216206
Your opinion is completely worthless
>>332217472
Because you can hit things at farther ranges, and there's zero prediction involved because the Rifle is hitscan?
Like I said, those two aspects are the only ways the Huntsman is broken. Fix the clearly lazy hit detection and it'd probably perform even better since you wont be clearly shooting someone in the face, but for some reason the game says "nah, that's definitely in their arm bro."
>>332217418
>mfw the red team has THAT Sniper who can headshot everything in sight.
>>332217481
>Frag the enemy team with two rockets, assuming you're saving one to escape with
>>332217765
>that feel when you kill him with a Huntsman and he gets mad
>>332217879
>only having 3 rockets
I think you need to return your launcher private
>>332217415
>same thing can be said about random crits. This weapon doesnt have them so Its only fair.
Are you seriously defending random crits?
>at long range and nightmare at close range
Again long range doesn't mean shit in TF2 except against other snipers. If you can't hit huntsman at close range you are literally retarded.
>Any class can buttfuck you if they get intimate with you as you dont have any defenses
Again see what I said about stock sniper earlier. Huntsman is much easier in comparison.
>That is why it forces you to keep medium range where sniper is very vulnurable because of demoniggers and soldiers spam.
Huntsman doesn't need line of sight. You peek choke, fire, and run back. You don't have to wait for the charge or line up your shot you're guaranteed to hit something because the hitboxes are so fucking huge.
The sole reason this weapon exists is to keep shitters who suck at sniper from uninstalling the game. It is in valve's interest to cater to pub trash so they keep buying overpriced shit off the store and using the community market.
>>332216668
>enjoy playing your video game
I will.
>>332218012
You know rocket jumping spends a rocket, right, bud?
>>332216202
>Stopping at the dispenser to recover from a rollout
Why would there be a dispenser at a rollout?
>>332216398
I used to play on 24/7 dustbowl it was pretty chill I met most of my steam friends there
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