Video games do not require skill, they just require good memory.
Discuss.
>>332163485
What about games with randomized elements?
>>332163556
Fair enough. You alright mate?
>>332163556
Although they do require a good memory, without the skill to input the memorized patterns, that alone is meaningless.
So it's really a combination of both.
>>332163485
Single player games? Sure.
There's no skill in playing against a computer.
Absolutely no exceptions.
>>332163617
But is anything truly random?
memory is nothing if you can't execute what you remember
I think this argument is pretty easy to disprove.
How can memory determine how fast my thumb moves? Or how fast I react to an enemy?
>>332163485
Dumb Kirbyposter
>>332163485
Memory is a skill. Checkmate, atheists.
>>332163763
Because you still have to remember what buttons to press and when.
For example in an action game, an enemy might do a 5 hit combo to you. The first 4 hits are unblockable but the last one isn't, therefore you need to remember to dodge the last hit.
Shit like that is still just memory.
>>332164043
and what if you know how and when but still can't do it
i agree a lot of games are just memory based like mmo's / arpg's, etc, but there are some skill based ones out there.
>>332163485
You need both. You could look at a map of a level in a video game, watch someone else play it, etc., but you still need the skills to get past it yourself.
>>332163485
Thats why your first run is always the best one. You dont know anything thats about to happen, you have no idea how to deal with any of it, and youre still waiting on your first death.
Those are some magic, and incredibly intense, fuckin moments right there
>>332163485
I'd argue that God Hand defies this, memorizing the location and moves of all the enemies is all good and fine but with randomized demon spawns and difficult boss encounters you still need a fair amount of skill to get through the game
Any game on Easy is just pure memorization though, which is why you shouldn't play on easy unless you're a casual
What about games with randomization? For example, in Shiren the Wanderer, you can't memorize which items and floors you'll come across because they change every time you play.
What about multiplayer games? It's impossible to memorize the other player's moves because of the inherent randomness in the human brain.
Also, if there was no skill, then speedrunning would be entirely pointless, as everyone would have the exact same time.
Define "skill" without using any kind of memory.
>>332163485
Whatever reasoning is behind your thought process I guarantee you could apply to anything, making "skill" moot entirely
>>332164689
reaction speed
>have the skill but no memory
>kill the enemy
>have the memory but no skill
>get killed by the enemy
>>332163485
Video games require a degree of skill on a game by game basis
High degrees of skill require good memory
In Kirby, you can remember what each enemy gives what ability and what each ability is capable of but it won't mean jack shit if you can act on that knowledge in how well you play the game.
>>332164846
>have reaction speed but don't know what I should press
>press a random button quickly
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT I SHOULD DODGE
>>332165036
If you don't even know the controls to the game you're playing you shouldn't worry about memorizing attacks or your skill level
>>332163617
You're still using your memory to deal with them like in Nethack, Nuclear Throne and Spelunky
You learn attacks, traps, monsters and what they do, and what weapons are good etc
>>332163485
Literally retarded, as expected from /v/.
Memory is not as simple as recalling information. In fact memory resides in multiple regions of the brain, be it the neo cortex, the hippocampus and even regions we can't pinpoint yet. Autonomous memory (skill) are just fast neuronal connection. You're strengthening and making neuronal connections faster trough sheer repetition. This allows for exceptional fast reactions. Memories are an extremly complex subject and it can be easily said that who you are is directly determined by memories.
>>332163485
No, that's why IWBTG clones suck so much. They're all about cheap simon says deaths and forget the original game is also filled with tricky difficult platforming that will make you die over and over even without cheap tricks.
>>332163485
Yeah. Same as life
>>332163485
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.
Any Mario Game Ever.
>>332164843
>reaction speed
>skill
>>332166737
It's a huge part of skill, are you retarded?
>>332163485
What about fighting games where you battle a real person? Even if you know what to do, you won't be able to do it if you don't have the right reflexes.
>>332166906
No, it's not. Also, he defined skill as reaction time, which is still completely wrong even if you were right.
>>332167353
Yes it is. And if you go down to semantics like some /v/ retard. Reflexes are reaction speed.
>>332163485
That can be applied to some games not all of them.
For example, in Quake Arena, you are gonna lose if you have an amazing memory but your aim, reaction time, and speed calculations are wrong.
Also having a ghood strategy is something that can be applied to every game.
So you should change it to: " Some Video games do not require skill, they just require good memory."
I'm decent at video game yet I can't even remember names of characters from games and anime.
>>332163485
That statement in itself is inherently wrong.
What good is memory if you don't have the skill to execute maneuvers?
>>332163485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qt1fR4Y874
While this isn't the flashiest thing in the world, it's really hard to pull off due to all the enemies.
>>332167524
Reflexes are STILL not skill, though.
>>332164846
>have the photo but no recollection
>kill the enemy
>have the motive but no transportation
>get killed by the enemy
Uncertainty is the secret to good gameplay.
You can't memorize probability.
Q.E.D. suck my dick you fat smelly shit.
>>332167795
That's absolutely wrong, mane.
You can actually train your reflexes and improve them.
I have experienced it myself and i can tell you i have amazing better refelexes now than 14 year ago when i started playing TFC, CS, Q3 etc.
>>332167795
It's a huge part of it.
>>332167626
I've gone through a lot of anime where I didn't even attempt to memorize even the main cast's names. I knew who was referring to whom while I was watching, but I doubt I could name them all even minutes after watching an episode.
It helps keep me from making the mistake of discussing anime with people.
>>332167965
Yes you can, especially if you're dealing with the same basic set of parameters. It's like you've never played poker before.
>>332167982
Okay, once again: SKILL is NOT composed solely of reflexes. Comprende, ese?
Also, there is more than twitch shooters.
Granted, if we are only talking about video games, you probably need fast reflexes in lots of genres. Not in all, but lots of.
But in real world, there are so many skills that just don't rely on reflexes.
Now OP never specified what kind of skill he means or how he defines skill, so we can argue all day long.
>>332168276
>SKILL is NOT composed solely of reflexes.
And no one implied that, you fuckface.
>Also, there is more than twitch shooters.
And you still need refelexes, and strategy to be a good player in almost every genre, except of course, shitty RNG games.
>Granted, if we are only talking about video games
No we are nto talking about videogames we are talking about chocolate milk here.
>Now OP never specified what kind of skill he means or how he defines skill, so we can argue all day long.
He just said that skill is not necessary to be good at videogames, just memory, which is right in shitty games like Heartstone etc, where RNG is ALL.
>>332168687
>And no one implied that, you fuckface.
Yes, >>332164843 did, poop-mouth.
>>332168765
Okay, that retard said it, but you replied to me, and i know skill is not solely reflexes.
>>332168765
Wow, another argument born out of being pedantic as fuck. Just like any dumb argument on /v/.
>>332169176
Apologies then, I thought you were that retard.
>>332163485
Define "skill".
>>332170121
This.
Having good memory and remembering how to survive any situation is a skill by the way.
>>332164043
are you serious?
you make it sound like video games play out in easily recognized patterns
even if you knew what moves a cpu liked to throw out and how to block them
how would you know which one to expect, that's not memory
Having a good memory is a skill.
>>332163485
Memory means you spent time learning it. Things that you learned to do through training are skills.
If you can do something without training then it's a talent, not a skill.
>>332170951
Talent just makes you learn way faster. You still need to learn and train.
