Can we talk about DaS 2?
http://strawpoll.me/7195212
Shaded woods, no contest. I can't think of one thing I liked about that irredeemable piece of shit.
Awful boring level design, bullshit invisible enemies you can't lock onto, almost no secrets, offensively ugly to look at, dull boss.
Fuck the pursuer
>>332119254
Bland and disappointing game. Hopefully DaS3 is the true DaS2.
>>332119254
Black Gulch by a mile.
What a piece of ass.
>>332119254
What was the name of that water prison area again?
>>332119786
This would be my second worst after >>332119810
I'd go with Iron Keep. While the design of the level itself is really good, the first half is just the worst part of the game, somehow made even worse by SOTFS
Small area packed with ennemies that trigger from invisible floor switches instead of line of sight, to the point where you have to kill 12 ennemies to get to the smelter demon fog door. Nevermind the fact that they are absurdly fast ennemies with a lot of poise, so it's a hell to go through if you don't have a shield.
People dislike No Man's Wharf? Really? The one with the ship?
>>332119786
>Vanilla DS2
>can literally leg it to the bonfire, which is next door to the boss
>SotfS
>They put one of them statues in the way
What the fuck, From?
>>332120049
Even though DaS2 was weaker some of their areas were really nice. Huntsman copse probably being the best area.
>>332120087
Not like the statue being gone would help any because you immediately get invaded when you get in the second part
The area with the ancient dragon was the pinnacle of my dislike for the game.
>The final horde of about 10 enemies all at once.
>le infinite stamina dudes while the mage is in the back shooting the thing that knocks you over
>boss one shots you
>regular enemies have a rare chance to drop their set but you won't get the full set even if you kill them all into extinction
>the area before it was yet another area that should be physically impossible coming from the area before that
>>332119254
>no none option
fuck off
worst as in worst design?
how the fuck is Aida's Keep not getting more votes?
>>332120049
>it's a wharf
>with a boat
>but it's below the sea level somehow
>in a dark area that punishes you for using a torch
>>332120275
if there is a best then there is a least best, or worst
>>332120274
At least they fixed it in SotFS
>>332119254
Why is this area not on the poll?
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Sinner%27s+Rise
Earthen peak is fucking stupid on so many levels
I really liked shrine of amana
>>332120727
>I really liked shrine of amana
This, it was really pretty and the theme of it was nice.
Playing on the vanilla patch the enemies were a bit insufferable and the boss was a pushover for how far into the game it is.
Where is the "all of it" option?
>hating on Amana
>hating on Irom Keep
Nah, Black Gulch is where it's at. All those poison spitting statues, that near zero visibility, the multiple invasions right after the other. My first time through was a nightmare
>equip Pates lance
>go through carefull hitting stones so I won't get poisoned
>shooting fire arrows into oil out so I won't get eaten
>taking it real slow
>takes me almost five minutes to get to the last big area
>"you are being invaded."
>fuck this shit
>tries to lure him back but the way is too narrow
>finally fight him in the open area
>poison spit all over
>die
>retry three times and finally beat him, but now out of estus
>go back to heal and refill estus
>come back again
>"you are being invaded"
>fucking invader's brother shows up
>repeat
>finally beat him by lighting tar pits on fire and luring him in to them so he loses HP
>but I die too from poison
>respawn and try to go back to claim my souls
>it's near 100k now from the two invaders and constantly fighting back to the same area
>get invaded by forlorn halfway through
>his poise is too strong
>about to die
>make a run for the souls
>get eaten by a tar pit saarlac
Rage inducing, I swear
>>332120727
Nah earthen peak was pretty good. Drangleic Castle sucked massive balls.
>>332119254
lol
>>332120849
but the dlc areas are better than all of DaS and DeS
how can you consider them the worst?
>>332120849
Do you even know how the word "worst" work?
>>332120371
>punishes you for using a torch
What?? It gave you an advantage because the darklurkers were scared of you.
>>332120950
>things can't be equally bad
you moron
>>332120994
enemies can cover you in tar/oil so if you use a torch at that point you explode in fire
>>332120885
Gun it to the "secret" bonfire and hope no invasions take place is the only way to do that map
>>332121086
You mean you actually let those things hit you? They were slow as shit and you could just backtrack to wash them off.
>>332121105
>"secret" bonfire
>>332120994
Enemies throw oil bombs at you and some of the vases had oil in them if you broke them.
>>332121086
oh neat I didn't notice that because I never got hit by the tar grenades
>>332120920
>3-5 infinite poise generic knights in each room for 3 whole DLCs
>better than miyazaki's master opus
>check results
>click highest rated option
Every time.
>>332121182
>you could just backtrack to wash them off.
And then your torch goes out.
>>332121198
it's not really a secret, hug the cliff and follow a path to a little cave between the cliff and the fog gate. I think it's called secret something
I actually found that before the one when first entering blood gulch
>>332120371
>needing a torch for no mans wharf
If it was so dark you could have just lit up the area with that lockstone.
>>332121038
But you don't actually believe that, you're just refusing to favor one answer over another because you're incapable forming your own opinions. How do you even function in the real world when you rely so heavily on others to think for you?
>>332121397
>wasting a lockstone on that
>>332121105
The shit thing about that bonfire is that it respawn a all the poison statue. Then if you decide to summon an NPC, their shitty AI makes them run into the tar pits to kill the enemies there, so the whole time they're being poisoned and drawing unnecessary aggro. By the time they finally make it to the fog gate, they're at half-health and the Rotten pretty much two or three shots them.
>>332120274
What the fuck is that shit, glad this was the only Souls game I haven't played.
Though I've seen the armors on the wiki & some of the armors are fucking good, Falconer especially, Faram or what the fuck it's called is a mistake.
Guess the only good thing about DkS2 are the armors?
>>332120920
I'll never know what people see in dark souls 2 dlc. Someone fucking explain to me because to me it just seemed to be more of the same shit. Sunken king especially was fucking awful, same stupid clusterfuck of enemies design philosophy but now with status effects because everyone knows black gulch was the pinnacle of level design.
>>332121435
lel
You're gonna tell me what MY own fucking opinion is?
Spec-fucking-tacular
>>332121482
>Guess the only good thing about DkS2 are the armors?
Yea it was miles better than 1 for fashion souls.
>>332121469
>needing a torch at all
>>332121302
You piggyback from light source to light source. I lit every single one I saw in the game.
>>332121038
Literally impossible to achieve. Nothing can be truly equal unless they are a perfect copy of each other.
Even if, for the sake of argument, all these different areas were "equally" bad, "worst" is still not the word to be used in such a scenario.
>>332121570
I was grumpy that I was lied to about the lighting so I turned the brightness to the minimum and it was hard to see on my tv.
>>332121549
So then tell us yourself, what the fuck is your opinion?
>Gutter in second
I like what I see.
>Shrine of Amana has the most votes
It was one of the most memorable locations, in a good way. Black Gulch on the other hand.
So is it just my game, or do the falconers sometimes run sideways? Like their body is contorted and it looks like they're riding an invisible unicycle towards you.
>>332121498
It's a meme
>beat das when it came out
>decide to finally play das2 after to putting it off
>enjoying it
It's obviously worse but it's nowhere near as bad as I was expecting.now I'm just even more hype for 3 considering it's supposedly better than 2
Heide's Tower of Flame is the worst in Scholar
>>332121696
I DO NOT LIKE ANY OF THE AREAS IN DARK SOULS 2, A GAME BY FROM SOFTWARE, RELEASED IN 2014. I DISLIKE EVERY AREA IN SAID GAME EQUALLY.
I, ANON FUCKFACE, DO SWEAR UNDER MY OATH AS DUMB FUCK RETARD USING /V/ THAT THIS IS MY OWN OPINION.
>>332121498
Mental gymnastics. They spent more money on the shittest souls games and desperately want to believe it's good
>>332119254
>Shrine of Amana that high
>all these shitters who can't into bows
>>332121256
flustered?
areas would have been grimdark faggotry if he was involved
>>332121479
fuck the npc learn the fight, that fucker is easy. I farm him with as many ascetics I have when I reach him to open the 1m sm shrine
The worst area is by far Aldia's keep.
It's the most boring single corridor in a game full of boring single corridor.
>Hating on the Black Gulch
anons, please.
>>332121795
Looked pretty. Cool setting. SHIT mobs and an easy as fuck feelsfrog boss.
Black Gulch and The Gutter are the one true answers.
You can't see shit or you are poisoned
>>332121806
They didn't make proper running animations because originally they were only found in long grass areas.
>>332121985
>in the trailer the mole rat bangs on the door a couple of times before breaking through
>in the game it just busts through with no warning
>then there is a second one that you have no way of knowing is there
At least the first one you can see through the grate if you are watching carefully.
>>332121498
It was a much more open game in terms of co-oping/dualing/invading and build variety. There was overall more to do, especially with friends
>>332121807
You got this backwards senpai, the meme is to hate on it.
>>332121985
Black gulch is 12 year old american playing super mario maker tier level design.
>>332121985
>It's the most boring single corridor in a game full of boring single corridor.
>defends a literal corridor
>>332121498
They had the best boss fights, for one. Alonne, Fume Knight, and Ivory King are some of the best in the series.
But since this thread is about level design, the level design in the DLC spots increased astronomically compared to the main game. They looped around, had lots of shortcuts, similar to 1's design. You had fewer bonfires that involved going through an area and then unlocking a bridge, doorway, etc. back to the original bonfire.
As far as enemy placement, I don't see how enemy placement is vastly different from 1. I know what you mean about the vanilla game, but I can't think of things sticking out in any of the DLC areas.
>>332121498
Sunken King
>giant single area with changeable environments and multiple exits
Irom King
>giant tower with many floors
Frozen King
>sprawling castle with interconnected areas
They were all great because the core game had each motif last for such a short amount of time that it was refreshing to see a the motif stay throughout, not to mention the excellent map design itself.
>>332120018
this sums up my thoughts perfectly
you really just have to learn at which points enemies come charging at you, and kite them to the doorway. it's not fun at all, just tedious as hell
>>332122137
>It was a much more open game in terms of co-oping/dualing/invading
Are you fucking high? What is soul memory.
>>332121985
Black Gulch sucks. The neon green poison looks like garbage, it's just a straight line, poison is everywhere, and the boss is pretty underwhelming.
>>332121806
They foot shuffle all the time.
The falconer archers also get all fucked up sometimes and contort in weird ways
>>332121615
You're retarded, m8.
>>332121912
That's a bullshit answer, anon, and I don't buy it. You could have still retained whatever opinion you have on the game and still gave an actual answer, but clearly your ignorance and prevents you from thinking that way. Feel free to try again whenever you feel ready to grow up and speak your mind for once.
>>332122241
Something that is massively overblown, its effect is really only felt early game, once you get out of those brackets the upper and lower bounds are huge. Then there's the fact that you didn't have to play the server lottery if you wanted to co-op with friends like you do in 1.
>>332122034
>>332122304
I see. I remember watching someone else play it online and they seemed normal, so I thought it was just my game.
>>332122262
>fighting the rotten for the first time
>knocks me into one of those fire pits
>die to those more than him
Christ, whoever came up with random gimmicks to make fights harder needs to be kicked in the balls.
>>332122241
doesn't apply usually around ng+
SOTFS is fucking awesome in NG+... +
>>332119254
Man, reading through that list just shows how shitty the level design was. So many short, annoying areas that feel really disjointed from anything before or after it.
>>332120371
it punishes you for getting covered in oil, not for holding a torch
>>332122428
One thing I liked about SM is how it gives you a certain freedom to create your character without worrying about your SL.
Dark Souls fell in a trap where the most tryhards minmaxers established a SL limit and everyone followed them. God help you if you want to summon, invade or co-op if you level up beyon SL 60.
On the other hand SM gave characters an expiration date, and as someone who loves to CO-OP that was a kick in the balls.
>>332122360
>doesn't know how his own language works
>calls other people retarded
>>332122568
Whoever was so smart to put that small lava pit in the Old Iron King arena deserves a medal for being an asshole.
>>332122780
>On the other hand SM gave characters an expiration date, and as someone who loves to CO-OP that was a kick in the balls.
They at least gave you a ring that stored your souls that didn't effect SM, so you could co-op to your hearts content if you wore that ring. There isn't really anyway to get around the SL "cap" that people agreed upon in 1.
>>332121795
I hate that the water slows you down so much, it's not bad if your character is good at ranged combat, but bloody hell, that water can go fuck itself. Plus there's no Rusted Iron Ring in the game, so fuck that place.
>it's a 30 enemies aggro you at the same time for barely stepping into a room episode
god SotFS was shit
Shaded woods, brightstone, harvest valley, earthen peak, iron keep, heides
everywhere else is okay though
>>332123189
git gud
>>332123189
there are problems with it but a lot of enemies isn't one of them, more of too simple level design and poor boss fights
the game is easier than DaS as a whole
>muh tracking
with iframes that made things easier
>all those useless stats that force you to level up well into the 200s
>tying skill to a stat with ADP
I think all of those absurd dangers (and the Co-op being functional this time) saved DaS2 for me. You were in a dangerous place, you had to be on your toes all the time and you had to develop strategies to clear the places. For example I disliked how SOTFS removed the knights guarding Velstald's arena; I had them down to a science. Now you just have to run to him if you get killed.
I have an urge to play 1 and 2 again, but I'm resisting so I don't burn myself before 3 hits. This series is fucking amazing.
>>332122915
I never died to that. I'm not sure how that fucked over so many people.
>>332123189
>it's an invisible enemies episode that love backstabbing and double teaming you.
>>332123624
But there's only one more stat, and all the stats are useful, unlike 1 with its Resistance stat.
>>332123898
There's like 2 endurance stats
>>332123898
Splitting Endurance into Endurance and Vitality was fucking stupid. And then they had to go and keep it for DaS3.
Reminder that DaS2 is flawless and if you hate it you're just on the hatewagon and/or bad at the game.
Be sure to respond to every argument you see against the game with smug anime girl pictures.
Brightstone Cove Tseoldora
What a piece of shit
>>332124007
>>332124042
What do you mean? You either increased your health, your stamina, or your carry weight. That's fine.
But which boss was the worst?
http://strawpoll.me/7195588
http://strawpoll.me/7195599
>>332124007
>>332124042
I agree that the split was stupid, but the skills all at the very least do something in 2.
Every time I start up Dark Souls 2, I get to about the second bonfire in the first area before uninstalling again. It seriously feels like a Chinese knockoff of Dark Souls.
>mfw almost every single area is a contender
>>332124412
So Majula?
>iframes being tied to a stat
>carry weight being tied to a stat that's completely useless outside of it
>only one threshold for carry weight
>>332124480
Shows how evenly split and consistent the level design is.
>>332124494
No, the one beside the old woman merchant in the forest area.
>>332124515
>a stat being completely and utterly useless
1 wasn't all that better
>>332124593
>consistently bad level design
whats your point?
>so many people hate the Shrine of Amana
Huh, I'd like to know why. Apart from the stupid cave with durability-eating insects it wasn't that bad, and it gave me some sweet Nito lore, which I loved. Definitely not as bad as Iron Keep, as >>332120018 explains so well.
>>332124412
It doesn't really get good until after the area I feel.
>>332124759
It picks up at the Forest of Fallen Giants and drops off immediately afterwards
Have you thought about how DaS 2 would be more fitting to be a successor to Demon's Souls than to Dark Souls? The areas aren't connected to each other in DaS 2, and perhaps they shouldn't have been. Having archstones for every area would have made more sense than for example taking an elevator from a windmill to a volcano.
Also, having the DLCs as simple archstones that were added to the World would have made sense, as if now they are just rocks in the middle of fucking nowhere that teleport you far away.
>>332123189
this doesn't actually happen though
>>332124301
Royal authority easily
You either manage to kill the little rats before he gets down and the boss fight is retardedly easy or you get stunlocked to fucking death
>>332124593
>Shows how evenly split and consistent the level design is.
You're right. You have to kite enemies to a door in almost every area to kill them. They all look like shit too.
>>332124301
Pretty sure a four year old would figure out Dragonrider on its second try. DaS 2 had a lot of stupidly easy boss fights
>>332124930
You would think. A guy kept summoning me there and running straight to the boss door without hitting the switches no matter what I did or how much I pointed to it. And every single time, he'd walk in block a few hits and then be pushed off the platform.
>>332124858
DaS2 is an even worse successor to Demon's Souls than it is to Dark Souls.
Did anyone else feel obligated to play the entire game with maximum item find gear because of the stupid despawning system?I still don't have the titty robe top from the dessert sorceresses
>>332124924
I think I only did that in sinner's rise and lost bastille
Did people really have that much trouble in a souls game with billions of iframes in the roll?
>>332124301
>there isn't a Throne Room double Pursuer option
AAAAAAAAANOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
>>332124301
I'd say Royal Rat Vanguard, but I wouldn't even call it a boss. Probably Dual Dragonriders, Authority, Vendrick (incredibly easy), Skeleton Lords, Ancient Dragon and others. At least Old Iron King had a good design (even if it's a Balrog ripoff)
>>332124828
>not liking the tower of power
And was it just me or did anyone else miss a fuck ton of bonfires? It seemed like the more important ones were behind walls that gave no clue.
>>332125130
no because company of champions exists
Are the DLC worth playing?
I have the SOTFS edition, but I got tired shortly before getting to the first DLC area and never went back to the game.
>>332124301
The double dragon rider is so fucking lazy.
>the first one has the same health has the heide boss, so with your levelled gear you fucking four shot it
>the second one has half health so you two shot it
>>332124683
>Muh DaS1
This is getting pretty old
>>332125238
The DLCs are as Close to Dark Souls 1 that Dark Souls 2 gets. Make of that information what you will.
>>332125238
The DLC areas are great. I put them on par with some of DaS1's best areas.
>>332125238
They're the best areas in the game, and they have some of the more interesting level design ideas in the series. It's a shame they're stuck in such a mediocre game and pretty much endgame content
>>332125224
That was added in much later after I stopped playing because they game was garbage.
>>332125327
That wouldn't be necessary if people didn't claim it to be a perfect game, shitting over DeS, DaS2 and BB.
>>332125238
I'd say yes.There are a couple areas that throw some heavy nonsense at you [Iron Passage is literally the only area in either Dark Souls game I've said "nope" and walked away from without exploring fully], but otherwise they're quite good, if mostly disconnected from the rest of the game.
>>332124515
endurance was overpowered as fuck in das 1 because it gave you stamina and equip load
>>332125327
Is it not understandable to compare a sequel to its predecessor, especially when people circlejerk the first game as the most perfect game ever made?
>>332125430
No, CoC was always there and it never despawned monster. I should know because I started out in it for almost two days before I quit.
>>332124515
I'm fine with them splitting up DeS's/DaS1's endurance stat. ADP and agility was a shitty idea for a stat, though.
>>332125505
>claim it to be a perfect game
>Things that never happened
I only see people shitting over DaS2, and for good reason. BB shitposting doesn't count because it's mostly console war faggotry
>>332125521
endurance will always be overpowered because it gives you stamina.
equip load could be spread out over endurance, strength and hp.
>>332125634
the monster despawning was added to coc in a much later patch
>>332124858
When discussing level continuity in Dark Souls 2 just accept that it's a dream world. Remember how you arrived there, plunging down a rabbit hole in the ocean to somehow arrive at a little gazebo inside a mountain.
The whole thing feels 'through the looking glass'
I think they were already playing around with the dream/nightmare concept while simultaneously developing Bloodborne. There's that one message you can leave that just says "Like a dream..." which I happened to first find left by someone else at the bridge right after you get out of that elevator from windmill to volcano.
Also accept that the "Great Ones" (or Old Ones or Great Old Ones) have been involved in the background in every game since Demon's Souls.
>>332125676
endurance giving out just stamina is fine
endurance giving you both stamina and equip load was not fine
>>332125646
>BB shitposting doesn't count because it's mostly console war faggotry
Not really, people just use that as an excuse to ignore all criticism
I went to go replay the series in preparation for 3, I absolutely love the armor and weapons, but the designs of the area are kinda shit. The enemies all have wierd attack patterns and don't flow cohesively with the area, and poise is just strange.
The music and fashion souls is top notch though.
What was that shitty one with the poison spewing statues? That shit was the worst.
>>332119254
I FINALLY BEAT THAT FAT FUCK DRAGON
AND THERE ISNT EVEN A PATH AFTER IT
WHERE THE FUCK DO I GO NOW?
>>332125505
>>332125605
I understand what you mean but he didn't even mention DaS1. You can't just use that shit as a get-out-of-jail free card, which is what I see all the time in these threads
>>332125843
>poise is just strange
Poise? what poise.
>>332125945
It was an optional boss :^)
If you want to finish the game fast then just look for King Doors. If you want to get the proper ending then go back to the Forest of Fallen Giants and/or clear the DLCs
>>332125843
>The music and fashion souls is top notch though.
Damn right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY
>>332125945
Find the memories of the ancients famalam
>>332125945
Now hightail out of there as fast as you can so you don't have to deal with a building full of very mad knights foaming at the mouth that you have killed their boss.And make sure to not use that soul.
>>332121498
The DLC is just higher quality than the rest of the game. Interconnected areas, good enemies, and some of the best bosses in the series. Fume Knight may be the best boss ever put into a Souls game, honestly.
>>332126204
Pretty sure they don't aggro, at least in SoTFS
>>332125945
I think this guy was the worst boss in From's history
then bed of chaos
and then rom
>>332125945
That dragon was optional.
Now you have a key item named ashen mist heart. Do you remember way back on the forest of fallen giants a door sealed by the king's ring? Go to that door, go inside and use the ashen mist heart on a petrified giant inside.
>>332126354
Fume Knight was pretty meh. I liked his aesthetics but the arena looked like shit and his attacks weren't incredibly hard to dodge. Sir Alonne was a better fight
>>332126365
It always pissed me off how Dark Souls 2 got a lot of shit for "enemy spamming", but BB for some reason gets a pass for it, Rom and some of the early areas being most notable for enemy spamming
>>332126365
>no mention of Ceaseless Discharge
Now now, let us not be hasty here.
>>332126591
that was just the 3 lowest, Ceaseless would have came up pretty soon up the list.
>>332126591
>>332126365
At least DaS2's bosses had the decency to be easy.
Bed of chaos was annoying as shit and Ceaseless Discharge and had its OHK attack; thankfully you could cheese the later with the running to the fog gate exploit.
>>332125945
Go do the Giant memories, then go kill Vendrick, then go kill Nashandra and Aldia.
ps. dont forget the darklurker and twin pursuers.
Playing DS1 and i killed off the butterfly and then went to darkroot basin and kill off the icefags smoothly but fuck me can't make it to the hydra without getting spammed to death with those water attacks. What do?
Tried forgetting it and go up the tower near it but this guardian infront of the door broken as fuck.
>>332126517
Both are pretty similar.
I like Fume overall better, but that may have something to do with me putting Ludwig, The Holy Blade on the background as I fought him for the Nnth time and kept getting my face kicked due to carelessness and growning nervous the closer I got to the end.
>>332126546
tee bee haych bloodborne's mechanics are better suited to it though, you can recover hp through attacks and can get more health potions without dying.but rom was still a bitchalso shadows of yharnam
>>332120676
>fextralife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>332126853
>twin Pursuers.
Whoever came up with that idea deserves to be slapped. It's the most infuriating thing I have ever experienced in years.
>>332126894
Use the rocks and trees as cover. It'll stop using its water attacks when you reach the lake's border.
>>332126894
There's a key you can find and it leads to the lower undead burg, the door right before the dragon bridge. Go there nigga.
Black Gulch, Harvest Valley, Aldias Keep, Shrine of Amana, Earthen Peak, Gutter. All horrible areas.
But the real worst one is heides.
Just look at that level design.
Just look at that dead covenant.
Just look at one shit boss, and that other reskinned boss.
Just look at those 2 enemy types in the whole area, one of which won't fight you until you kill the boss.
Fucking forgettable lazy horrid garbage. Worst starting area of the entire series.
>>332127549
>go below water level
>go down an elevator to well below water level
>find a wharf that's sitting on top of the water
>>332127124
Nigga do you know how long it'll take to back track all the way there?
>>332127761
>there are no caves underwater
Huh, learn something new on /v/.
>>332122184
Ice pony wonderland was a hellhole though
>>332127765
There's a shortcut in that tower near the hydra, just backstabu the dude to death and go up
>>332127873
How does the boat go to lost bastille then?
>>332127549
>no expanded half-sunken Heide city area
>get pirate cove instead
>>332127873
>caves underwater with a massive entrance that you can see the rest of the ocean surface from
No, I don't quite suppose there are.
>>332128010
It could just be a river that leads out above the cave
>>332128085
How do you know that's the rest of the ocean surface?You don't
>>332128050
When I first played the game I thought that the area was just the surface, and you'll get to the actual tower and fight fire based enemies. Why the fuck is it even called Tower of flame for fuck's sake
Maybe it's a personal opinion but i hated the fuck out of the Frigid outskirts.Except when i was invading.
>>332128246
You can see the Lost Bastille from it
>>332128308
Cheers senpai, I used to invade on the Iron Passage. Was great if they didn't use seeds of giants
>>332127897
He's the guy BTFO of me bruh. He doesn't even come out of that tight ass place either.
>>332128135
How does an underground river lead above the ground?
Either the water in the cave pools at the lowest point and floods the wharf, or the cave is connected to the ocean in which case the ocean floods the wharf entirely.
