If you hate the new paper mario so much, why do you just sit and do nothing about it? You could fix the NX Paper Mario if you cared enough, but you clearly don't so why should they care? It's megaman legends 3 all over again.
I'd rather they delay color splash or cancel it desu
People tried. Nintendo is pretending no one has said anything.
Which is ironic, because by refusing to put up a seperate trailer for Paper Mario like they did with every other game in the direct, clearly they know people wouldn't like it.
>>331784305
>#storiesnotstickers
>not abandoned in favor for #makepapermariogreatagain
it was a dumb name from the start
>>331784624
People tried both, and directed both directly at Nintendo. Nintendo has ignored everything.
>>331784305
That shows they're listening. The attacks now should be harder than ever, but I've seen more outrage from normies than I have you fags with your images and youtube clips.
>>331783013
I miss them already.
>>331784796I've actually posted quite a lot on Twitter. It seems Twitter is only good for having your voice heard.And normies are defending it, and saying that "we haven't played it yet, give it a chance"
>>331784796
What do you suggest we do, bomb their inbox with autistic death threats? Best we can do is boycott the game when it releases, and they WILL release it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwmG_0IddSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFKqJ_-Epoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZObXHeTwfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_cuimF47qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9SgQB3Oo6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_l2uomPPxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1z5dessZCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvIIl-8A6Gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugiujb1vGiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-_Vxvjmjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTpTX_3I06o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONHh0JAem8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsv4kCovLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p93JrIkSC0Any ones I missed, post them.
>>331784796
looks pretty good to me regardless. Normies are much more important than 4chinners
>>331785068
>Normies are important
>better hide this games existences from people, that'll help sales!
Isn't a petition basically the same as a whiner sensus?
The N64 sold 33 million units during its lifespan.
The Gamecube sold 22 million units during its lifespan.
The Wii sold 101.52 million units up till March of last year.
The 3DS sold 58 million units as of December 31st 2015.
Paper Mario 1 sold 1.37 million units, equaling 4.2% buy rate of N64 owners.
Paper Mario TTYD sold 1.91 million units, equaling 8.7% buy rate of Gamecube owners.
Super Paper Mario sold 4.23 million units, equaling 4.2% buy rate of Wii owners.
Paper Mario Sticker Star sold 2.21 million units, equaling 3.8% buy rate of 3DS owners.
Sticker Star had the worst buy rate in comparison to console ownership of the entire franchise. Similarly, TTYD doubled the sales of any other Paper Mario game to date in terms of its system.
Seeing these numbers, how the game looks to be very similar to Sticker Star, and knowing it's going to be on a console that sold much less than any of these, it seems that Color Splash actually has a fairly high likelyhood flopping with the direction it's going.
>>331785280
Do have the numbers on PM 1 for the VC?
I'd imagine the numbers to be higher
Why would I bother? Nintendo doesn't care.
Color Splash is too far into development to fix, and whining about it likely wouldn't change anything about Paper Mario NX, if there even is a Paper Mario NX.
It's over.
All we can hope for is a fan project to not die the next time one starts.
>People shit on Federation Force
>Nintendo makes a "why FF is great and you should shut up and buy it" section on their Direct.
You're a naive fuck if you think you can do anything.
>>331785527
>Nintendo doesn't care
Then make them care. Besides, them taking down all Color Splash things shows they do.
>>331785392
I wonder how well VC games do in general. The thing someone mentioned about everyone going out and buying Paper Mario on VC the day of Color Splash's launch is actually pretty genius. The question is how do you get enough people to participate.
>>331785759
So are you trying to say Nintendo has never listened to their fans?
>>331785759
They'll learn too late that people aren't gonna buy it.
>>331785854
I don't have a WiiU, but depending on how their online store is gonna work out I'll buy a WiiU VC copy just to gift it to someone.
Cancer Trash is coming out this year and there's nothing we can do about it. They obviously don't plan on changing anything and the developers were probably given a shit budget to rush the same game they made last time out on Wii U for 2016.
At this point just be content with not buying it and laugh at the drones trying to defend this shit for no reason
>>331783013
I don't care enough
>>331785854
>Then make them care.
People bitched about Sticker Star and Color Splash was made anyway. There's nothing to do other than to accept Paper Mario is dead and move on.
>>331784958
>And normies are defending it, and saying that "we haven't played it yet, give it a chance"
They are right, though.
>>331786045
Bow is so hot. She's like a scoop of pistachio ice cream.
>>331786225
>they didn't immediately do a 180 after one game so it's worthless
People like you honestly make me sick. There are so many reasons they might want to give it another shot. Not to mention that all you fucks bought it and it was successful. Color Splash was the only thing that was as close to an official backslash as you can get. The fanbase was never even close to as outspoken as they were in that moment.
>>331784958
>>331786230
No, he's an idiot. The overwhelming consensus, even amongst all the youtube whoring reaction shit is that color splash is a massive disappointment. Comments bashing it get several hundreds of upvotes, and the few hipsters who at best can say something like "I'll wait and see..." get around 40, and never above 100. Twitter is overwhelmingly against it, especially when it came to the official nintendo tweets.
>>331786472
And Miyamoto never wants you to see her again
>>331786763
The fuck is wrong with him? What'd she ever do to him?
>>331786935
She wasn't generic, and that made him cry.
i played sticker star before knowing how great was the thousand year old door,and i have to say,that sticker was shit
it was literally empty,it was like playing a mario game,you start,you play,you get to the pole,you complete the level,that's it,kersti would eventually talk to you sometimes,but not really that much,the game was just the classic mario plot and nothing more
>>331786491
Nintendo has had four years to absorb the fan response to Sticker Star, and the fan response has been overwhelmingly negative.
When Color Splash bombs, Nintendo won't say it bombed because of fan backlash, they'll say it bombed because they didn't communicate the value of the game properly or something involving the marketing. In Nintendo's world, the problem is never the product.
I'm actually quite impressed how naive you are to think bitching to Nintendo will change the course of the Paper Mario series, when bitching to Nintendo hasn't fixed any of their other series.
![d3563c5b7e57048dd5dd373c9fb6ad11[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kPoQVBP.jpg "d3563c5b7e57048dd5dd373c9fb6ad11[1].jpg")
>>331786935
>>331786763
>>331786045
>you will never see another female boo in any mario game again
bow really was the best. Even her introduction had you solving your only mini dungeon puzzle to earn her.
>>331787367
And when they play that card again, and Paper Mario NX bombs due to being Sticker Star 3, maybe they'll finally fucking learn
>>331785049
How did you miss the muppet video?
I blame American gaming journalism over the decades of shitting on nintendo/spouting nintendo is doomed/nintendo needs to do these cancerous gaming things like DLC and mobile. Nintendo learned that ignoring these fucks actually works and no doubt they are using the same tactics on their own fans.
>>331787490
I'm fairly sure it'll go like
"the interest in Paper Mario has gone down hill, I think todays gamers are not into such gimmick looks and we will try to rethink the series but as of now there are no plans to make another"
ignoring that people liked the Battle/Badges aspect and trying to say that it's the fans who changed instead of their game that changed
>>331783013
They won't listen, they'll just have Reggie and/or Tanabe damage control by saying "IT'S GOOD YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!"
The biggest problem is that Nintendo only polls for opinion in Japan, and only uses those polls for the most part. If you want to blame anyone for Color Splash looking like Sticker Star 2, blame the Nips for actually voting against new partners and the older style.
>>331787593
Everyone and their mother posts that one. But your point stands.
>>331787686
>>331787490
Even better. Watch they to rehaul Paper Mario again and push the series to mobile, simplifying it even more.
>>331787367
The fan response was barely even a notable response. People just let the game sink away. 4chan isn't the rest of the internet. The general response was split between being lukewarm and negative.
>blah blah they've never listened ever
Yeah, I guess that's why we got Twilight Princess after Wind Waker. Or why we got Majora's Mask 3D at all. Or why we suddenly got EarthBound after decades of shunning the mother series in the west. Or why we have Megaman in Smash.
No shit they barely listen. The fans almost never come to a consensus among each other. People want open world mario. People want linear mario. It's cases like this where most people agree on something that we can pierce through the barrier.
>>331783013
>You could fix the NX Paper Mario if you cared enough,
Bullshit
>>331788153
But the japs hate it? Do they not talk polls or something?
>>331788336
The polls that Nintendo did resulted in people liking Sticker Star. That doesn't rule out Nintendo doctoring polls though.
I still can't believe they announced this game directly after they tried to defend Federation Force and ended up making it look worse.
>>331787367
also, I'm just absolutely outstanded the lengths you guys will go to justify being lazy enough to not post a simple messages. You could have had 3 tweets that would have did more than you will do all day with the length of that paragraph. You have to ask yourself at one point why you're even bothering posting here if you care that much about not wasting time.
>>331788153
WAsn't the real problem with the Club Nintendo members universally panning Super Paper Mario's story? I think Japan hates Color Splash just as much as we do.
>>331788435
>You could have had 3 tweets that would have did more than you will do all day with the length of that paragraph
I don't think you understand Nintendo. Real bitching, petitions, e-mails and stuff don't work. They make a profit, they're going to continue doing what they do because it works.
>>331788440
And the hate for SPM's story can likely be traced to the loads of casuals on the Wii that had no idea what Paper Mario was an simply expected a normal Mario game.
>>331788390
Source? I'm interested in this.
>>331788583
Well you said so, without refuting any of my points! It must be true!
>>331788390
>>331788440
Yeah, Nintendo's just listening to what they want to listen to.
Do you know how likely it is that people actually filled out the Club Nintendo poll, and didn't skim through putting nonsense or n/a just to get the points?
Or even less likely, that enough people said they didn't like the story to make a difference?
>>331788440
But the story was the best part of the game. How could anyone dislike it? It was great
>>331788694
>one guy isn't tweeting
>instead of tweeting more let's just bitch at this guy
>>331785669
Only way for fan projects to succeed is for them to never tell anyone they exist. Then release them with no name on multiple hosts and leak the game by word of mouth after the game is long since finished.
Mentioned the existence of a in development fan game more than liked means it's death in a week.
>>331788694
You didn't prove anything in the first place. All you did was claim "3 tweets would mean more" which is meaningless because you have no fucking reason to say or believe that.
>>331788857
>I can't fathom someone possibly doing both
?
>>331788214
>I guess that's why we got Twilight Princess after Wind Waker.
A shitty game that tried too hard to be like Ocarina of Time, wow.
>Or why we got Majora's Mask 3D at all.
Yet another shitty game that didn't deserve a remake.
>Or why we suddenly got EarthBound after decades of shunning the mother series in the west.
At a premium price compared to other SNES VC titles. Despite there being a 100% complete fan-translation of Mother 3 waiting for them, they refuse to officially release it in America.
>Or why we have Megaman in Smash.
That took until the third sequel to make happen and the game wasn't even made by Nintendo. Or hey, let's talk about the character suggestion box the game had, only for Sakurai to completely ignore the most popular suggestions and add Bayonetta.
Advance Wars is still a dead series. The Legend of Zelda is still broken. 2D Mario gets half-assed and pushed to shovelware-tier developers while 3D Mario tries to be like 2D Mario in order to convert people. Metroid is completely fucked and dead. Nintendo allowed Kid Icarus to get bent over and raped, changing its core gameplay and genre.
Nintendo isn't interested in fixing what's broken. They don't care.
>>331788994
>>331789037
>Nintendo allowed Kid Icarus to get bent over and raped, changing its core gameplay and genre.
As different as it was in gameplay, at least it was still a great game. I think it's still the only instance of Nintendo completely changing up a sequel's gameplay and it actually being good.
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>>331788875
You're just stating things again. Try actually responding to everything I said instead of dismissing one sentence without even making an argument.
>>331788657
The Wii fucked up everything with Nintendo.
>Bring a group of people who don't play video games into the mix
>They fall for it, buy the console out the ass
>But then fail to stick around for the actual games released
>We end up with casualized games and handholding mechanics(Super Kong, Gold Tanooki) as a result
>Said group loses interest, goes to mobile
>Higher ups at Nintendo don't get the message, make a console with a misleading name, ignores the core audience the console was meant to appease to and tries to win back the casuals and fails immensely
>Wii U is an utter failure
>>331788214
>I guess that's why we got Twilight Princess after Wind Waker
That's probably the worst example, as it stifled Zelda into what it is today.
Yeah, because that worked with Federation Force
>>331789037
>>331789280
You're completely missing the point. TP was edgelord supreme only because of the whiny OOT fans who shit on Wind Waker. Anyone who was there could tell you this.
>Yet another shitty game that didn't deserve a remake.
Missing the point completely. Who cares about your opinion on the matter?
>At a premium price compared to other SNES VC titles. Despite there being a 100% complete fan-translation of Mother 3 waiting for them, they refuse to officially release it in America.
They likely tried to justify it by restoring the original guide. You're still missing the point. Did they or did they not listen to the stampede of miiverse posts?
>completely ignore the most popular suggestions and add Bayonetta.
That was the most popular.
None of what you're saying proves that Nintendo never listens to its fans. The fact that they have at all makes this a worthy endeavor, and all your jaded bullshit doesn't change that. As long as there's a minimal chance, there's no reason not to try it. What, just because you've given up hope and want to whine about something you don't care enough to even complain about, the internet should stop as well?
>>331784752
>>331789280
>Super Kong, Gold Tanooki
I don't see a problem with this sort of casualization, since it's completely optional. It's the sort of casualization that completely ruins the core gameplay that is the problem, like they've done with damn near every Mario game for the past 8 or so years.
>>331789649
Not him, but people were complaining about PM's change in direction for 4 years. It's not like Nintendo doesn't know, they didn't even bother uploading the CS reveal as a separate video since they knew people would bomb it
>>331789649
I know, that's why I said it stifled Zelda into what it is today, the idiots wanted Ocarina of Time, without specifying the exact things that made Ocarina of Time good. And stop defending Color Splash. I hate when people are contrary for the sake of it. Even if the game improves from Sticker Star, that still isn't saying much.
>>331789649
>Missing the point completely. Who cares about your opinion on the matter?
Not nintendo, that's the point, they don't care about your opinions on their games, they will make them how they want to and that is final, you cannot even provide one single example of nintendo listening to their fanbase, all you can do is show me coincidences, none of the things you have listed were born from listening to the playerbase, it was what they were going to do anyways which you can understand if you look at how grossly ignorant Nintendo has been of their own fanbase in the past
>>331789280
The Wii brought back the people who bought the NES. The people who made Nintendo successful in the first place.
>But then fail to stick around for the actual games released
Maybe that has something to do with Nintendo trying to force Gamecube games on an install base that didn't want the Gamecube.
>>331789037
I'm not him, but subjective opinions have no place in discussions. Don't use them.
>>331790021
>Nintendo NEVER listens to fans!
>What about ALL THESE TIMES they did what the fans asked them to do
>coincidences!
Nice argument. Can't you just accept that sometimes Nintendo listens and other times they don't, because they're a company made up of multiple people with differing ideas on how to handle things
>>331790121
>The Wii brought back the people who bought the NES.
Good one. And if they were forcing Gamecube games on the install base, we'd have a new F-Zero and a Zelda that wasn't a port or godawful like Skyward Sword.
every paper mario thread ever
>>331789184
>I think it's still the only instance of Nintendo completely changing up a sequel's gameplay and it actually being good
Setting aside 3D sequels to 2D series like Super Mario 64, Metroid Prime, etc.
Extremely different and still good:
>Star Fox 2
>Zelda II
>Kirby Canvas Curse
>Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Change a hell of a lot and still good:
>Super Mario Bros. 2
>Wario Land 2
>Kirby's Adventure
>Kirby Super Star
>action/adventure
It's ogre. It fucking hurts but I'm gonna let it go.
>>331790021
> you cannot even provide one single example of nintendo listening to their fanbase
I already have.
>were going to do anyways
MM3D happened after countless times the fans asked for it, and every so often they'd address it in an interview with a very reluctant "eh, maybe."
And the notion that they were simply going to one day put out earthbound or megaman and cloud is ridiculous.
All of your asshurt seems to come from federation force, as if you fucks expected them to completely change the game the second you complained. The only sensible thing to do is to fight for the next paper mario, not the current one.
>>331783013
Nintendo is the absolute last company that would ever make sweeping changes to a game scheduled to come out soon.
Accept Paper Mario's (and Nintendo's) death.
>>331790007
>fans are idiots and they listened to them
how does that disprove what I said? I also never defended color splash, I don't know what you're on about.
>>331789942
People were not vocal at all during Super Paper Mario, don't give me that. It was always a few muted cries drowned out by kids whining for a new zelda or whatever. The actual paper mario fanbase is not that loudspoken. Which is why color splash provided an opportunity for everyone to get outraged. Nintendo directs as a platform encourage fan response.
>>331783013
>nintendo
>listening to fans
lmao
>>331791153
I misread your comment for someone else, my mistake.
>>331791190
What's wrong with Jotaro's eyes?
>>331791153
By 4 years, I meant Sticker Star. SPM has its detractors but it wasn't a big slap in the face like SS was.
I'm a fan of this one. You couldn't get any more direct.
>b-but SPM
fuck any of you who thought that
>>331791525
Still not even close to being as loudspoken as the color splash response, and certainly not enough to derail the solid sales.
>>331791540
SPM is somewhere in between. It has the Paper Mario style characters and plot and humor and shit down pat, it's just the gameplay that was disappointing.
It doesn't matter what you say.
Nintendo is fluent in only two languages
Japanese andmoney
>>331791947
>money
>Assuming Color Splash will actually sell
>>331791947
Then we should at least be glad Color Splash will bomb because it's on a dead system and everyone hates Paper Mario now.
>>331791864
you're cute, anon.
>>331791664
SS sold well, but its priced dropped very quickly because a lot of people who bought the game didn't want to keep it. That, combined with literally every discussion about the game being paired with a huge pool of negatively made it pretty damn clear that people aren't happy with what it is happening. We know that Nintendo is aware of online responses to games, SS also came out back with they were still doing Club Nintendo survey, so they'd have to be blind not to know what is going on.
>>331792203
Even Gaemstop dropped their price for it, and they pretty much never drop the price on Mario games.
Don't forget to post this, OP. It's a classic that's informative.
>>331792203
It was still niche enough to where Nintendo could overlook a few passing comments. There was never a moment where everyone shit their pants because it all came to everyone individually. Fan response after the good sales are far less effective than fan response to an announcement, which can directly affect future sales with social media and youtube.
>club nintendo
are you trying to pretend that even 4chan users cared enough to complain on there? Most people check the first boxes on everything and skip to their coins.
>>331792203
>Club Nintendo survey
>94% of response are gibberish
>5% are "good" or "fun"
>1% are people giving an actual opinion
Yeah, you can tell from the games and practices they've kept up, they don't give a shit about the actual opinions anyway. At least not mine, which generally reflected what we're talking about. Feels bad to be honest senpai.
You guys do know there isn't a trailer for Kirby rather, right?
>>331792556
The only time Nintendo games ever drop in price is if it has a shit reputation. Other M is the only game in recent memory I can recall that happening to.
>>331792628
>>331792748
They cited CN surveys complaining about SPM's cutscenes being too long as their reasoning for removing story in SS
>>331792601
>a TTYD clone was thrown out in favor of SS
>>331792628
>>331792748
Read >>331792601 for the Club Nintendo thing.
>>331792891
We know. Nintendo was incredibly stupid looking at that. The nature of it can't be used to prove that people didn't like Sticker Star though. Not to someone as thick-headed as Nintendo.
Although, just because CN is bullshit, doesn't mean that they weren't able to extract information from it. As stupid as it is, they went with the japanese opinion. On CN, yeah. But even with that in mind, there should still be more than fucking ONE percent who liked the story. They're partly to blame in terms of that aspect.
>>331793173
>>331793173
>>331791737
>>331793483
DELETE THIS
DELETE THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW AND NEVER BRING IT UP AGAIN
![[Turn Up Scrubs] Kamen Rider Blade - 16.mkv_snapshot_05.30_[2015.09.30_19.53.08].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cGjwnua.jpg "[Turn Up Scrubs] Kamen Rider Blade - 16.mkv_snapshot_05.30_[2015.09.30_19.53.08].jpg")
>>331793483
>there's an alternate reality where IS didn't go full retard this gen
>>331793603
NO
LOOK AT IT
>>331793603
>>331793736
>>331793598
invert SPM and SS, and you've got it.
>>331793736
>I don't live in it
>>331793742
OH GOD NO
NO MAKE IT STOP
MIYAMOTO REEEEEEEE
>>331793780
SPM is very different in gameplay, and Sticker Star is extremely watered down, but closer to the classics than SPM, that's the point of the picture
>>331793483
>>331793762
That looks more like N64
WHY Nintendo
>>331793483
>>331793742
>>331793762
>I was worried even seeing this because there was no proper unique partner, just a completely generic chain chomp
It was so long ago.
>>331791540
>le SPM hate meme
>>331793794
>Advance Wars is dead
>Paper Mario is a shell of its former self
>STEAM died because they gave it the artstyle of a cheap western flash cartoon
>Fire Emblem is still alive but only because it started pandering hard to smelly otaku
D A R K E S T H I S T O R Y
>>331793992
i hate my life
There's a difference
Instead of being concerning people who lets their views known on how to make a better game
They are shitposting it to death and want Nintendo to cancel
The majority is shitposting
If it ain't working on fucking Fedforce, it's not happening here
>>331783013
They don't give a shit about some minority on the internet because they saw the sales and noticed that Sticker Star is the best selling entry in Japan and tied with TTYD.
Remember FE Fates? Your campaign will only make their sales increase without them changing shit.
Way to go.
>>331793908
Oh, I see.
I guess I meant more of the audience reaction, since SPM was actually a good game.
>>331793908
Sticker star would be the red one since it completely lacks everything from the last games besides battles being turn based while SPM would be purple since it completely changed the gameplay but kept the charm.
>>331783013
I haven't bought the last two Paper Mario games. But apparently the games didn't improve. So I don't think inaction is going to fix the series.
>>331794030
>90% of people want a game like the first two
>the other 10% are selfish enough to want to lump SPM with them, potentially confusing the entire intent of the overall fanbase just because they want to play another half-assed platformer with waggle gimmicks, a tedious flip mechanic and abysmal partners that were even more one dimensional than 64's
>>331793908
Super Paper Mario was up front about its different gameplay, there was no imagining the gameplay to be like 64 and TTYD as the image implies.
And while the gameplay was different, again, the story, characters, and humor were exactly what you'd expect from a Paper Mario title.
Sticker Star on the other hand was very much a case of expecting a return to form with the sort of gameplay, story, characters, humor, etc. you expect from a Paper Mario game, and it delivered on none of it.
>>331794161
>the majority is shitposting
It's time to step outside of 4chan
>>331794058
>Advance wars is dead
It was dead after the NES, came back for GBA and DS and you killed t again
>Paper Mario is a shell of it's former self
Or, Tanabe planned a sequel in advance following the design for the time being of a system Nintendo made where 3DS games had a Wii U follow up
>STEAM died because they gave it the artstyle of a cheap western flash cartoon
No, it had next to zero fucking advertisement, the style was fine
>Fire emblem is still alive but only because of Waifu pandering
Your fuckin dillusional of you think Fates isn't the best Fire Emblem in gameplay terms
>>331783013
>It's megaman legends 3 all over again.
Just fuck you, that was 100% Capcom's fault.
>>331794448
If it's really the best, then damn, Fire Emblem is some shit-tier strategy RPG series.
>>331783013
Why would you care about the NX Paper Mario when we already know how unplayable everything on the system will be?
The literal only chance we have of a true Paper Mario game is South Park
Nintendo will never go back to god tier TTYD format, but Matt Stone and Trey Parker have said they really want to make South Park's combat more challenging and rewarding
>>331794448
> and you killed it again
I bought Dual Strike and Days of Ruin at launch.
>>331788164
>simplifying it even more.
Isn't Sticker Star more difficult than the other ones though?
>>331794217
the initial reaction to SPM was negative for any PM fan I believe, even if it'd grow on a lot of people
>>331794250
SPM changed things (partners are now those crazy sprite things, new square-styled races and characters from multiple dimensions etc), Sticker Star watered everything down or in some cases flat out removed them
>>331794348
>Super Paper Mario was up front about its different gameplay, there was no imagining the gameplay to be like 64 and TTYD as the image implies.
I could change the image a bit and ruin it by making it very specific
>And while the gameplay was different, again, the story, characters, and humor were exactly what you'd expect from a Paper Mario title.
the plot was more serious, there was an actual romance in the thing, even if the humor tones were still there in my eyes it's different (even if still good) from 64 and TTYD
>Sticker Star on the other hand was very much a case of expecting a return to form with the sort of gameplay, story, characters, humor, etc. you expect from a Paper Mario game, and it delivered on none of it.
which is why SPM is a bright red, if I considered it watered down, stripped of all good things, I'd color it a very light tone of red, like I did with SS (but in blue)
>>331793742
>>331793762
>They were even using the Paper Mario designs for enemies
>They changed all of the enemies to look more like the standard 3D Mario ones and completely compromised Paper Mario's unique art direction
>They actually thought a PAPER MARIO GAME shouldn't look unique
>>331794402
>>331794445
I still don't buy these. Guy only has these screenshots that look REALLY shopped.
If it's real, then damn he's far along.
Still think he's got way too many partners for it to be cohesive though.
>>331794448
>you killed t again
I bought Dual Strike on release, DoR on release, lost DoR, bought it again, lost it again, bought it again, so fuck you
>>331794448
Fates was better than Awakening, but it was worse with its waifufag pandering.
>Implying they'll change what they have
Color Splash is still going to be Color Splash
You guys don't understand how game development works
The best that'll happen is that you'll get your Paper Mario game on NX
>>331794402
Goomba looks a bit too much like a bad guy to be the next goombario, but I dig the idea.
>>331794541
I'd say 50%. The response to it was much, much much more lukewarm than it should have been. Part of that is due to how it was even announced, but for all the clamoring years prior, you'd think fans even here would get as hyped as they would for fuckin' dead or alive. I didn't even play 2 and I remember distinctly being disgusted at how little people cared. I think we were just in the mood to shitpost nintendo and the then new 3ds, but cult games like that rely on responses like ours, and we didn't do our part. Neither did any other sites like kotaku. It was as if a pikmin game was announced. People are generally like "nice" and then you have a few rabbid fans and that's it.
>>331790750
>Extremely different
>Star Fox 2
Really now? It just added features. You're gonna put it in the same league as Canvas Curse which is a completely different form of gameplay?
>>331794741
I'm pretty sure the one with 3 partners out is from deviantart.
>>331794058
Those games failed because you retards don't even buy the games when they make them for you.
Fire Emblem had to reach out to a new audience because their current one was buying less and less even though every game was targetted towards the same group. Codename: S.T.E.A.M failed because you are a load of twats who won't buy a good game unless it has a brand name on it.
>>331794638
I really hope Ubisoft doesn't fuck this up, now that Obsidian isn't involved.
The first was far from perfect of course, but it really suffered in the lasting gameplay department.
>>331792112
>>331792064
They'll probably make profit off the amiibos.
>>331794838
>Implying they'll change what they have
Who implied that?
>>331794858
In one webm the guy posted it had the Goomba use the move "Snitch"
And it turns out he's basically a mafia goomba.
>>331794660
>I could change the image a bit and ruin it by making it very specific
You should change the image a lot to make it actually represent reality instead of just being retarded.
>which is why SPM is a bright red, if I considered it watered down, stripped of all good things, I'd color it a very light tone of red, like I did with SS (but in blue)
The reactions to them in the image suggest that different but still with good points is somehow much worse than bland, stripped down piece of shit with no redeeming qualities.
>>331794651
>decided to stay up late one night
>right before I'm about to go to bed see a commercial for Days of Ruin
>releasing tomorrow!
>oh fug go to bed and buy it first thing in the morning
They really should have advertised a little more.
I wouldn't have known Dual Strike existed except my friend bought it and told me like 6 months later since I brought up Advance Wars.
>>331794838
You don't understand we're talking about future titles. The OP straight up says NX Paper Mario.
>>331792891
>The only time Nintendo games ever drop in price is if it has a shit reputation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Selects
>>331783013
Because let's be honest here, Nintendo doesn't give a fuck. No matter how many people insist Sticker Star is shit they will continue making every toad look exactly the same. Same thing with Metroid, no matter how many people want a new Metroid it's not happening
>>331794448
>3DS games had a Wii U follow up
You mean with 3d land and 3d world? Because that's it.
>>331794909
You know it's mostly the casuals that don't touch this stuff and not us, right
Games like Advance Wars and STEAM failed because Nintendo didn't bother to market them. It's not that people won't buy a game without a brand name, it's that Nintendo refuses to advertise it if it doesn't. Splatoon just got special treatment because it was an EAD game.
>this thread
>this whole drama surrounding the game
>>331795000
why should I listen to you? go make your own image, stop whining you cunt
>>331794909
Codename S.T.E.A.M's demo turned off a lot of people, including me. Good god that game is tedious and has zero charm, they even went as low as using Lincoln.
>>331795070
Surely they'll listen if the game bombs, right?They'll just scrap the series, won't they?
I like how people talk like they know how a whole game is just by a 30 seconds trailer.
Wew.
>>331795079
>You mean with 3d land and 3d world? Because that's it.
And Pushmo and Pushmo World . New Super Maro Bros 2 and New Super Mario Bros U. Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros 3DS and Smash Bros WiiU.
>>331794615
It was always low tier, but nintendo fans had zero standards considering it was their first journey into the genre. It's why you see people praising the SNES and GBA FEs even though, besides 5, they're all extremely easy and unbalanced to the point where they can be soloed by overpowered units like Hector and Seth.
>REALLY want to replay Super Paper Mario
>Don't want to go through the hassle of setting up a Wii emulator
>>331787367
>the problem is never the product
>we're going to see more Modern Mario Party
>we're going to see another Amiibo Festival-like
>we're going to see more TRANSFORMATION
I wish it was possible to hate something so hard, it pushes the subject into intimidation.
>>331795000
this
>>331795178
because you're making an image representing the fanbase and you're not even getting their basic opinion right. I get where you were coming from, but it didn't work.
>>331794909
Nitendo Shill pls go
>>331783013
>NX Paper Mario
>NX
No thank you.
>>331794858
That's kinda the idea for him. He's a mobster that tries to mug Mario as the tutorial.
After he gets his ass kicked, he offers to show Mario around the hub city and just ends up dragged into the whole adventure.
Here's what I got so far for partners:
>Gloombob - mobster gloomba with normal tattle
>Chump - abused chomp that Mario rescues. acts like the koopas, only he moves in an arc and you can use him to latch onto certain things and pull them.
>Blooper - no idea on character currently, but able to lift mario up vertically to hover and have a higher jumping point
>Bullet Bill - not sure on character currently (possibly thinking of a computer based world where the bill would basically be Clippy). Able to ride it for speed and to clear small gaps like Yoshi.
>Whompelle (name subject to change) - Prison convict that turns out is a big softie, able to hide Mario like Vivian/Bow by smashing Mario into the ground to pretend to be the floor (may also be able to smack enemies when coming up to disorient them)
>Lava Bubble - no idea on character currently, but able to move forward for a time before erupting with flames like the bomb-ombs, only also able to set things on fire
>Recon Guy (name subject to change) - Starts off on the villain team, but ends up turning to Mario's side in the later chapters. Able to reveal hidden shit like Tippi could in SPM by entering a recon mode.
>>331795357
I will never ask for another SPM online, but I will enjoy it for its story because like many have said, it's still tradtionally paper mario-like in that aspect.
Does anyone know if it runs without hassle on dolphin? I'd rather just fuck off if it has the problems the other two have.
>TTYD runs fine
Fuck that. TTYD deserves better than fine. It needs to run excellent. Screenshots upscaling it make me want to vomit as well. I'd rather play it on a crt with composite cables any day.
>>331795185
>scrap
oh you
>>331794909
>These games failed because no one bought them
No you retard those games failed because they suck a giant dick
>>331795357
>setting up Dolphin
>literally just download and run it, in some cases google SPM Dolphin and see if you gotta uncheck a box or two in the options
anon...
>>331787490
>maybe they'll finally fucking learn
"Guess Paper Mario isn't in anymore. Oh, well. Back to mainline Mario platformers, Smash, and Amiibos. Got that strategy for transitioning from consoles to mobile ready yet?"
>>331795185
Sticker Star is the second best selling entry, thanks dipshits for telling Nintendo what to do for the next entry.
If Color Splash bombs Paper Mario is probably joining F-Zero, a game whose last entry also bombed.
>>331795546
Pic of the partner list currently with placeholders for the ones not yet decided/designed.
>>331795357
I play it with a Gamecube controller. It takes like 5 minutes. Just go on the Dolphin wikia page for Super Paper Mario, set it up and then fiddle with the controls.
There's even an HD texture pack (not pictured here).
>>331783013
Posted to facebook and /r/PaperMario.
>>331795658
they're all shit aside from the gloomba
>>331783013
I have a hard time getting into TTYD because I just don't like the partners all that much.
Goombario is... okay. I like Kooper, I like Bombette, Parakarry is okay, and I married Lady Bow. Every other partner I've seen in either games just has something off that I can't stand about them.
>>331795660
how does dolphin have so many jaggies on 2d objects/textures
>>331794878
>Really now? It just added features.
What?
The original Star Fox is a typical forward scrolling shooter.
2 is a combination real time tactics and action game that takes place on a map screen and in all-range mode segments, with minor rouge-like elements. The walker transformation makes it more a third person shooter at times, and there isn't even a single forward autoscrolling segment in the entire game.
How is it even remotely the same thing with a couple new features?
Have you even played these games?
>>331795580
But Sticker Star also sucked dick and ended out selling 2.21 million.
>>331795524
holy shit is this real life?
>>331795754
>>331795658
m'goomba
>>331795767
I had a hard time liking TTYD because the amount of backtracking is fucking criminal, I have no idea why people like that game so much.
>>331788336
>>331788423
Does anyone have these with the translations?
>>331795658
>>331795754
The Shy guy is ok, but yeah I agree. If you ever get it up and running you ought to get others to help out in the general design of everything.
btw the chain chomp looks like its shitting itself
>>331795829
No, it's just a fanta sea.
>>331795801
>The original Star Fox is a typical forward scrolling shooter.
And this just adds more features like a walker transformation, different map progress and all-range mode. It's still a space shooter.
>>331795153
Tomodachi Life didn't have a brand name and it sold extremely well as did Nintendogs and Splatoon. Fire Emblem's sales increased as soon as it targetted a new audience. On the contrary casual players can be pretty good for Nintendo they're behind their biggest successes. People raised a fuss about Mario Party 10 as if it's the devil yet enough casuals bought it that it beats out GC and 3DS Mario Party sales.
What we have here is when a smaller part of the audience are the loudest and most demanding yet also the least lucrative. Which obviously over time means that Nintendo have to ignore them at times in order to be successful.
>>331795341
FE3/12 is hard as balls man.
>>331795658
Meh.
>>331795801
yo the walker was a thing before zero? Shit man.
>>331795658
I like the idea of the prisoner Twomp but dunno if it would work as a partner. I would totally dig a twomp prison alcatraz escape chapter though
The rest of the partners seem too generic
>>331784624
>>331783013
>if we start hashtag protests and petitions then a company will completely overhaul an in-progress game and start again from scratch
you children aren't really this delusional are you?
At best you might get the sequel you want 6 years from now.
>tfw no Paper Luigi: Waffle Kingdom Adentures
>>331795660
>I play it with a Gamecube controller.
Yeah but then I can't scan shit.
>>331795585
I'd need to set up a wii mote and sensor bar and shit.
>>331795638
compare the ratio of units sold to installed userbase of each game
>>331795546
>>331795658
>>331795658
>>331795546
looks like you want the whole game to be like rogueport.
Gloombob sounds excellent and makes a lot of sense though. Why the hell would goombario know so much when his town is blocked off from toad town and the rest of the world anyway?
Don't get discouraged with the designs though. It's pretty easy to make a fuckton of them, and simple tweaks go a long way. God speed, anon.
>>331794445
I'm taking about color splash
The majority IS people shitposting Insead of showing their concerns to Nintendo of how to make it a good game
>>331795829
Apparently that's not just the controller but the whole console.
The NX is a Vita with nubs on the screen.
>>331796164
>eyelashes
I WANNA FUCK THAT BAT
>>331795921
I've been having a lot of trouble with Chump.
I like the idea of giving him some color via tarnish to show his lack of care/play with his metal nature, but it keeps looking too much like shit no matter what I try.
This is a previous version where I tried to go for a more colorful tarnish, but it still doesn't feel right.
>>331796101
>look at me everyone, I can't read!
>>331796174
So am I. It's time to step outside of 4chan.
>>331796128
just set your mouse as a pointer and use it those rare cases it's necessary
>>331796164
>that bat with slutty eyelashes
>>331795995
>It's still a space shooter
Anon, that is just about the most shallow analysis conceivable.
You may as well say Kid Icarus Uprising is just Kid Icarus with a few more features, because Uprising is still just a shooter.
>>331795658
>That fucking whomp
>>331795905
Well I haven't played it all the way through yet. I'm just saying, I look at the characters in TTYD and there's just nothing about them that pops out to me like Kooper, Bombette, and Bow.
>>331796232
The color looks slightly better than the brown, but damn nigga. He doesn't have to look so suicidal. Paper Mario can have a few dark undertones here and there, but it's still a pretty endearing adventure overall. It's never overdone though, it's always like Pixar levels of quirk and whimsy.
>>331796232
The main problem is that it looks cheaply done.
>>331796162
Obviously the amount of total sales matters more, that's why they're doing Sticker Star 2.
>>331796162
>compare the ratio of units sold to installed userbase of each game
That would prove nothing because the average software sales per piece of hardware is a lot higher on console.
A better comparison would be with other handheld Mario RPGs and Sticker Star outsold Mario & Luigi Dream Team, Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga and Mario & Luigi Partners in time. Or in other words Sticker Star is the 2nd best selling handheld Mario RPG after Bowser's Inside Story.
>>331796164
>a Barney Bubble
>a fucking Barney Bubble for a party member
I didn't realize how much I wanted this.
>>331796232
Put the band-aid across where the bridge of his nose would be on a normal face. Replace the back thing with one of those "#" bruises. Make his expression make him look less like an intelligent creature and more like a dog.
>>331795794
It's because the sprites were at a very low res, the Wii was at 480p. Like I said someone did a texture pack for the game though which is in full HD.
>>331796128
>Yeah but then I can't scan shit.
Of course you can. Get creative. I played through the whole of Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns and Corruption with it.
>I'd need to set up a wii mote and sensor bar and shit.
Like I said, no you don't.
>>331796453
and BiS is filled with characters and dialogue, so make it like that instead
forget it, there's no "logic" that Nintendo is following, they're just stupid
>>331796321
>You may as well say Kid Icarus Uprising is just Kid Icarus with a few more features
No, because it's a whole different genre, KI on the NES was a sidescroller platformer, KIU is both a on-rails 3D shooter and a 3D brawler with RPG elements.
Starfox and Starfox 2 are both ''3D'' space shooters.
Someone post some better ones. I save a bunch where I might only like one or two, but very few have a whole cast of great fan partners.
>>331795546
>not "they're yer garden variety mooks"
>>331796528
>Of course you can. Get creative. I played through the whole of Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns and Corruption with it.
Okay I'm retarded so you'll have to elaborate on that shit for me.
>>331796098
I'm not sure if I want it to be a prison escape or try to subvert that usual story idea.
The current thing I was planning with it is that Mario & Co. end up hired by the prison as temp guards, ultimately being helped and then framed by pic related, Naz T., and having to fight their way through a riot along with Whompelle.
>>331796226
>>331796312
It's amazing how eyelashes instantly turn any PM character female.
>>331796604
>sidescroller
Meant to type 2D.
>>331795658
Goomba design is great.
Chain Chomp design is poor, if only because he looks too beat up. Maybe tone down how wrekt he is.
Blooper is just a Blooper. He needs something unique.
Same with Bullet Bill.
Thwomp looks a tad ridiculous. Maybe consider making it look more friendly and less evil, cause it looks pretty evil.
Again, literally just an enemy, even the eyes are still angry enemy eyes.
Not opposed to the idea but your Jungle Guy looks a bit busy. What is that thing on his head? I don't like it, and his green eyes look a bit odd too.
Just my two cents though.
>>331796639
>That Boo Balloon
>That Hot-ass Bobomb
DAMN THESE DESIGNS ARE RED HOT
>>331796676
Man, you even got semen demon toadettes? Nice.
>>331796164
>the next goomba is SMW styled
>a bro ghost to subvert the slutty ghost trope
yeah nigga. Could use with another qt to replace the loss of vivian/bow though. I can't get off to bat porn.
>>331795905
Know how I can tell you've never played Dragon Quest.
>>331783013
>a good plot
paper mario never had a good plot though
>>331796676
GIVE ME THE SLUTTY PAPER MARIO BITCHES.
I once wrote a short story about how Paper Mario: Color Splash was a bad game, and posted it here. Someone responded:
>No mention of Tanabe
...but Tanabe was already involved in the earliest stages of Sticker Star's development. It's just that when they show the game to Miyamoto, he said it was "just a port of the Gamecube version" and made them redo it.
So Miyamoto's at fault here, too.
>>331795912
In previous threads 2 different Anons translated some of it. I know one of the things definitely mention Splatoon so there is at least some truth to these posts.
>>331796882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofr1tYHdORo
>>331796813
UMMM THEY'RE CALLED GALOOMBAS YOU RACIST
>>331796639
wanna fuck that bomb and star
GONNA FUCK THAT BOMB AND STAR
>>331796676
I dig that idea too.
I don't know why but the idea of a Prison setting totally fits Paper Mario in my opinion
>>331796639
>>331796604
Anon, you can't tell the difference between a full 3D flight combat game with heavy strategy elements where you can change forms to a third person shooter, and a forward scrolling game in the same vein as Space Harrier.
You're just going to have to forgive me if I throw your retard opinion into the trash where it belongs.
But anons! We have the Mario and Luigi RPG games now. We don't need yet another standard Paper Mario RPG anymore.
>>331786045
>shit budget
I doubt it.
Just look at the visuals, the game has better graphics than 90% of the shit Nintendo has put out for this console.
>>331796812
>>331796907
Well, I also got the current design for the main villain thanks to help from an artist in the /trash/ shy gal thread.
My plan with her is to have her basically be in the same boat as Mario. She's gathering the 7 mcguffins as a quest and gathers her own partners (like that Toadette) as she goes.
The Mcguffins are talking Keys (like that one from Tubba Blubba's house), so the Phanto mask felt required.
>>331797096
>I don't know why but the idea of a Prison setting totally fits Paper Mario in my opinion
I agree, so long as it is fairly light-hearted it could definitely work incredibly well. Hell if a terrorism murder plot, fight club and insect war chapter can work, a prison could work.
>>331796232
>>331796498
here I drew you a picture
you just have to not overdo it and it makes them look cute
>>331796882
TTTYD and SPM.
64 tried with the simple plot first, but it still managed to make something much more grand out of the rehashed princess bowser thing.
>>331797042
You're right. I feel ashamed every time I can't remember their names. They just don't stick as well. Their designs are easily my favorite type of goomba though, excluding 3D World. They're too niggery in that one.
>>331796925
they're both at fault. He made the stupid decisions after miyamoto asked for more than just ttyd. Fuck miyamoto, sure, but he didn't ask them to go full retard.
>>331796925
Here's the story if you wanted it:
Essy Games
Takashi Tezuka is making a present for his best friend Shigeru Miyamoto: a bouquet of roses made of toilet paper. The roses at while all over and wrapped in purple parchment. Takashi runs down the hall, giggling and smiling ear to ear. Takashi bursts open the bathroom door smiling a huge, open-mouthed smile. “Shigeru! I made these for you!
Shigeru Miyamoto is on the toilet, straining his anus as hard as ever he could with his eyes screwed shut. His face looks like this: >X{. Takashi holds the bouquet in front of Shigeru. Shigeru opens his eyes and sees the bouquet in front of him. He immediately snatches it away from Takashi and frowns at him. Then he pulls the bouquet under his butt and wipes his anus. He pulls the bouquet back up, and now the roses have been painted brown, completely covered in feces. He then hands the roses back to Takashi.
Takashi looks at the roses and gasps, “Shigeru! For me?” Then he smiles the same big smile from before and shoves his head in the faux roses and takes a huge, deep whiff.” He pulls the roses away from his face, and his face is covered in feces. So much that it looks like blackface. And Takashi has big, bright pink lips. “Oh Shigeru,” says Takashi, “I’ll treasure these for ever!”
Shigeru shakes his head and goes back to straining and grunting. Then he makes several heaving grunts and finally, with a plop and a squirt and a long fart, Shigeru spews a massive load of filth from his bowels. Then he takes a deep breath, sighs and drools. Then he farts again.
Shigeru Miyamoto gets off the toilet and turns and puts his hands on his hips and smiles. He bends over slightly to take a look at his handiwork. Takashi peeks in from Shigeru’s right side.
In the toilet is Paper Mario: Color Splash.
>>331796639
I wanna fuck that Cloud
I wanna fuck that Bomb
I wanna fuck that Star
I wanna fuck that ball of eletrcity
>>331797278
“Dammit! This is the fifth time this week!” Shigeru yells. He frowns and flushes the toilet angrily. Then he turns to Takashi. “I keep trying to put out a good one, but this is all that comes out!”
Takashi waves to the game as it flushes, by clamping his right hand shut repeatedly and says, “Bye bye crappy game!”
The End
>>331787421
>don't you wish you were dead?
I was under the impression that you were 'born' a Boo, not that you died and became a Boo.
>>331797193
I fucks with that
good shit my man good fucking shit
please don't be vaporware
and please don't be some fag that gets loud about it and gets it canceled
>>331797246
teeth should be MILDLY cracked at most (if at all) in a single tooth. The whole broth smile thing isn't all that appealing.
The little tic tac toe thing is more in line with a typcial paper mario design though. Well done.
disclaimer: some of these are shit
>>331797193
>female main villain
If you continue the whole "Mario has a harem of bitches" theme from the previous games and have her have a love-hate relationship with Mario then you'd be set. Just make sure she's actually somewhat threatening, or at the very least he as a good motivation, e.g. Bleck.
boos are all of Mario's past lives, that's why they can't bear to look themselves in the face
>>331797193
Aside from wanting to fuck her, I genuinely like the "villain is doing the same shit the protag is doing" thing.
>>331797193
Oh man, I hope this doesn't die
>>331795178
>>331788859
how are these projects shut down anyway? if the creators don't intend to profit doesn't nintendo have no legal standing? regardless of that, what means do they have of enforcing their cease and desist?
