So, Baldur's Gate Siege of Dragonspear intro cutscene and some opening dialogue is out.
Apparently Irenicus makes a return since Hooded Man is clearly voiced by Irenicus' VA.
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/baldurs-gate-siege-of-dragonspear-opening-cut-scen/2300-6430131/
Managed to find a non-Goyspot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ydvnDHkqPw
>>331741187
>Apparently Irenicus makes a return since Hooded Man is clearly voiced by Irenicus' VA.
already miles better than pillars of eternity, wasteland 2 and shadowrun
praise rpg codex
>>331741295
Seems like the game is gonna have at least 3 different antagonists.
The woman from the poster who's invading Baldur's Gate, Irenicus and then there's that dude who speaks with Irenicus and seems to work for someone else entirely.
Really curious how it turns out.
>>331741278
That looks pretty mediocrejust like Baldurs Gate 2, I'm sure fans will love it.
>>331741686
Serious question, how old were you when BG2 came out?
>>331741704
Six, why does that matter?
>>331741295
>Irenicus' VA
gona play it just for this
![7374c324009566047921be6f5e449bf77579b6ff[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6eREmO5.jpg "7374c324009566047921be6f5e449bf77579b6ff[1].jpg")
>>331741187
>Irenicus makes a return
No, ha makes a first appearence.
And the name you are looking for is David Warner.
>>331741824
>Six
>>331741824
much, considering you have been bombarded with the notion that new is better when it comes to games since you were ten.
Which is a lie to sell new stuff, it simply looks shinier more clear.
>>331741836
Casual, you should play it merely for existing, for interest in beamdog and to see if they are simply untalented regugitators or if they can make something substantial on their own.
>>331741960
How does my age at the release of a game affect my ability to appreciate/criticize the game when I'm older?
>>331741985
Except I never implied that new is better. I just said that Baldurs Gate 2 is mediocre. It has poor writing and mediocre companion characterization. I also don't think that the dialogue does the DnD alignment system a service at all really.
>>331741824
You are too underage to appreciate it then.
>>331742078
>I just said that Baldurs Gate 2 is mediocre. It has poor writing and mediocre companion characterization.
Baitus Maximus
>>331741278
1:56 for Irenicus
Never really liked the combat system of Baldur's Gate.
Interesting story and characters but that battle system was meh, having to spam pause all the fucking time and never knowing how well your melee characters were doing.
Don't know why they didn't just do turn based combat like Arcanum and Fallout.
Well it was pretty obvious Irenicus was going to make an appearance seeing as this is supposed to be BG 1.5 and serve as a bridge between 1 and 2.
As you know, you start as a prisoner of Irenicus in his BDSM dungeon so it's pretty fucking obvious this game will end with the party getting captured by Irenicus.
>>331742260
>having to spam pause all the fucking time and never knowing how well your melee characters were doing
You don't need to spam. Go to Options -> Auto Pause and select all instances where you want it to autopause.
With Enemy Sighted and End of Round autopauses enabled it's more or less a turn based game.
>Don't know why they didn't just do turn based combat like Arcanum and Fallout.
Because D&D is NOT turn based? It's a D&D game so it can't be turned based.
AD&D uses rounds where all actions happen according to their Speed Factor and play out ordered in 10 second long rounds.
I may be explaining this in a convulted manner but that's more or less the gist of it.
Who is this even being marketed toward? Anyone that actually played BG2 probably wants nothing to do with anyone Bioware would make now.
>>331742178
It does though. The game starts off fine in Irenicus' dungeon. He starts off as a mysterious villain with an immense amount of power and unknown motivations. Walking around his lab, finding his former "friends" in jars and undying was great.
Then you get out of the dungeon and the plot becomes weaker. Irenicus drags Imoen off with himself to Spellhold to bait you to come after him which is fine and dandy except for the fact that this entire plot point relies on the player actually caring for Imoen and being stupid enough to take the bait.
Fast forward to Spellhold and you defeat Irenicus with a band of literally retarded people. Without the retards, Irenicus gets cutscene powers and instantly kills you.
Fast forward to the reveal of the antagonist's motivations and we discover he's stripped of emotions and was exiled from his people for being just an average power hungry villain. Oh, except he is still able to feel anger because that's the only thing driving his motivations besides power. Yeah so they stripped him of all emotions except for the one that will likely lead him to take revenge.
>>331742127
Age doesn't dictate appreciation of anything really
>>331742441
anything*
>>331742127
>>331741985
I was 7 when BG2 was released, and I only played it 3 years ago and loved it. (Although I couldn't bear through BG1 combat)
>>331742078
Nigga how can you call this poor writing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdy-k_qLdQg
>>331742441
>>331742492
Not made by neo-BioWare.
It's made by Beamdog which is a mix of old BG era BioWare employees and new blood.
>>331742441
Bioware isn't actually making it I'm pretty sure
>>331742537
>>331742605
Oh that's pretty neat actually.
>>331742430
Actual D&D is turn based, it uses initiative rolls to see what the order is in turn.
I don't know why the went with a speed system when actual D&D is turn based combat on a grid.
As for auto pause didn't really know about that but its still pausing the game over and over as opposed to something like Temple of Elemental Evil which did do turn based combat.
>>331742442
>except for the fact that this entire plot point relies on the player actually caring for Imoen
She's your fucking sister and a Bhaalspawn. How is that not enough motivation?
>Fast forward to Spellhold and you defeat Irenicus with a band of literally retarded people. Without the retards, Irenicus gets cutscene powers and instantly kills you.
nec Hercules contra plures
>>331742668
Actual D&D as in which edition? AD&D?
Because you just described 3E and 3E is far from being true D&D
Also 3E literally didn't exist when the game was made.
>>331742772
I never played AD&D tabletop and was under the apprehension that it used initiative just like 3.0, 3.5, 3.75, 4, and 5e all use.
If AD&D did in fact use a speed system much like games like Exalted use speed then I guess I was wrong but still I just prefer turn based because ive played 3.5 D&D and turn based games as opposed to real time tactical combat.
>>331742929
3E and 2E are pretty much completely different systems.
>>331742720
>How is that not enough motivation?
It's a roleplaying game where you're pretty much a blank slate. The player has no real reason to care for Imoen unless they became attached to her in BG1 or the small moment she appears in BG2. It's forced characterization which I don't like in any blank slate RPG. Mass Effect 3 is another Bioware release that did that shit with the dreams of the dead kid for no reason and the forced attachment to Earth despite Shepard potentially being a Spacer.
>nec Hercules contra plures
>intro shows Irenicus casually blowing up Cowled Wizards
>a bunch of drooling retards show up and Irenicus shits himself
I was actually laughing at this point because that's just so fucking ridiculous. Imagine being an all-powerful wizard with a weakness to fucking autism and downies.
>>331743001
>>intro shows Irenicus casually blowing up Cowled Wizards
He literally concedes in the intro due to the very fact their numbers outmatch him and he'd lose eventually.
I enjoyed Icewind Dale, will I like Baldur's Gate?
>>331743061
Not him but that never really made sense to me.
Talented mages aren't exactly common.
>>331742929
In 2E weapons have speed factor.
>>331743183
Yes, even more.
>>331743183
Definitely.
IWD is basically combat heavy story light counterpart to BG.
Think of it like this:
Planescape Torment: Dialogue Heavy, Combat Light
Icewind Dale: Dialogue Light, Combat Heavy
Baldur's Gate: Middle Ground
Just pirate BG1EE and grab yourself UB and NPC Project mods.
The first restores cut content, the latter restores cut companion dialogue and fleshes them out.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/39422/bg1npc-v22-2-and-bg1npc-music-pack-v6#latest
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/38254/bg1-unfinished-business-v14-beta-with-bgee-compatibility-updated-2016-01-24#latest
>>331743061
He blew up 5 powerful mages at once, he could handle more easily. He may not have been able to handle constant reinforcements, but he still is just one-shotting them. Anyways, he's taken to Spellhold, a place with is safe to assume holds much more than 5 wizards and easily overthrows them all.
But suddenly 5 disabled kids come in and Irenicus can't one shot the party anymore.
>>331742659
Gaider left Bioware and joined Beamdog to work on this, by the way.
>>331743424
Incorrect actually.
He only left BioWare late last month, the writing was finished already in late 2015.
He's going to work on a new project though.
>>331743424
>introducing Krem, Baldur Gate's first transexual character!!!
What does /v/ think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8iKN3rVA
>>331741187
looks like shit.
>>331743476
More like he'd just interject Cole from Inquisition.
>eloc, a mysterious fuck boy who speaks like a fucking retard!
>>331743476
Delete this
>>331743597
>>331743001
One of the downies was powerful enough to cast Time Stop though. I don't remember the others but since it's a prison for mages it's safe to assume they were at least moderately dangerous people even more so with their mental illness?
>>331743521
eh...I don't give a shit. looks fine I guess.
>dragon age engine
well, better than NWN2's engine at least.
still would rather play the original.
>shilling for this shit nobody cares about
>>331742537
>>331742659
Who brought us the gay blackguard and other wonderful companions in the Enhanced Editions. I can't understand how anyone could be looking forward to more of this shit.
>>331743768
The monk, the drow and the wild mage were fine though.
Only the blackguard and the niggeress were bad and conversely both were written by a woman.
>>331743768
What's wrong with the blackguard being gay though
>>331743474
>Beamdog is currently working on a novel project -- an all-new expansion pack for Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition called Siege of Dragonspear, which will add 25 hours of gameplay, 70 locations and four heroic companions. The studio is a rare opportunity for Gaider to return not only to a classic and well-regarded RPG franchise, but one that played a pivotal role in his early career. At Beamdog, he'll be taking on the role of Creative Director, leading its writing team and taking the helm with "new creative endeavors for the company." We really hope that's code for Baldur's Gate 3.
Even though the writing was finished in 2015 (source btw?), he is surely going to get a look at it. The game isn't complete yet and they can still tweak some stuff. We just have to see how they will do that.
>>331743651
I admit that description isn't the best, but I genuinely liked Cole. He is not the emo boy everyone thought him to be (also, Gaider didn't write him)
>>331743651
Not a burgerclap, I don't see what's wrong with this. Is there a hidden joke or something?
>>331743768
I take it you know nothing of D&D lore if you found a Blackguard acting like a typical blackguard to be a problem?
Not to mention you aren't even forced to take him as a companion and can just kill him with no reputation loss after the first conversation with him.
>>331743950
The game L I T E R A L L Y comes out next week anon, he's not going to do shit with this one. He joined beamdog 3 weeks ago.
Also he still used to write well back in BG2 days and even made Ascension so maybe it's just EA cancer that fucked with his head in recent years.
>>331743710
That wasn't time stop I don't think, that was peering into an alternate world or something.
But anyways the others were fairly normal. One was actually a little boy.
>>331743963
*teleports behind u*
*slits ur throat and disappears*
>>331743651
How is this any worse than say the ghost paladin dude from DAO?
>>331744126
He's a fucking ghost. Of course he can do that.
>>331744182
>ghost paladin dude
>DAO
Literally wat
>>331744253
I take it you didn't play the expansion?
A ghost Paladin called Justice that is holier than thou.
>>331744182
Yes he can do that, but his character isn't about slitting throats and questioning his own existence. He's a good spirit that tries to do good deeds in his own awkward way. It's a horrible misrepresentation of his character to attract this audience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqgMPTSz91E
>>331744428
But that was my point anon, that description was just making an example of his abilities as a ghost but failed to convey it well since he's not a *TELEPORTS BEHIND U LE MEME* character in the actual game.
Heck, him and Vivienne surprised me positively since I expected them to be cringeworthy.
On the other hand Blackwall who I assumed was going to be cool turned out to be a massive piece of shit.
The fucking faggot Qunari and Hobgoblinoid Elf deserve to die in fire though.
>>331744540
Yes, that's why people make fun of it. He's not the Dark Knight, he's a ghost with a horrible sense of fashion
Also Blackwall is the best character
>>331744647
>Also Blackwall is the best character
Do his quest.
He's a traitorous double crossing piece of shit.
>>331744126
That was time stop.
>>331744681
I did his quest and he never betrays you once (unless you took his lies too personally). He's the only morally grey character in the game and stands out from every single other companion because of that.
>>331744681
I Literally forgot that guy existed during my playthrough.
>>331744758
No I'm nearly positive that no character in Spellhold had time stop. She could just see all the planes at once or something and could make you see into a different plane too.
In any case, time stop wasn't used during the battle even if a character did have it.
Friendly reminder Baldurs Gate is a painfully mediocre videogame series that is only idolized because it was babbys first ree pee gee
>>331745049
>enter thread
>depost shitpost
>leave thread
Here's your (You)
>>331744965
I'm pretty sure you are a fucking moron. It wasn't the little girl that cast time stop it was the old coordinator for spellhold that went irenicus fucked up when he took over that cast time stop.
Time stop is cast during that battle.
>>331745140
Wait, the old coordinator is in Bodhi's dungeon I'm nearly positive of that. Bodhi turned him I think and the player fights him.
>>331745140
>>331745410
Yeah the old coordinator is in the dunegon. I have no clue who you're talking about
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/Walkthrough2/SoA/chapter-4/areas/asylum-dungeon-2.php
>>331745410
That's Dace who is someone different.
https://youtu.be/zJLVYHWdh_8?t=1m50s
Wanev is the guy when you are first brought into the asylum that irenicus tells you had his mind broken.
>>331745910
>casts time stop
>does nothing
>dies instantly anyways for no reason along with rest of the retards
Wow this is actually worse than I remember
So this comes out next week right?
>>331743001
>blank slate rpg
>baldur's gate
No sir I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You can choose out how to act in the scenarios given to you but in Baldur's Gate your character is partly written for you it is most certainly not a blank slate.
Do you need a Baldur's Gate EE save to play this?
If this is by Beamdog I could not give a fuck. That company sucks.
>>331747421
Nope, but you can import it.
Same as ToB in BG2 or HoW in IWD basically.
>>331747470
why exactly?
>>331747470
Baldur's Gate 1 sucked but BG2 is awesome. It might be similar with this game.
Wasn't the in-lore explanation about how the Bhaalspawn was captured was Irenicus' hired thugs essentially drugged the party while they were at the Inn, and then captured them while they were asleep in bed or on the shitter or whatever?
What kind of silly idea is it to try to wedge a campaign in there?
If they wanted to go back to Irenicus then he was in a Hell dimension and presumably could be deployed into the Blood War.
>>331747676
>What kind of silly idea is it to try to wedge a campaign in there?
BG2 always said you were forced out of the titular BG city due to some shitstorm circumstances.
They're showing that shitstorm here basically.
>>331741278
doesnt look too appealing to me. why dont they make their own game in infinity engine and stop shitting on bg legacy?
>people are actually excited about this
Have you fuckers even played BG2EE and saw Beamdog's new content? These niggas couldn't write to save their miserable lives.
>>331747583
A lot of dislike for BG1 basically comes the fact it's low level AD&D and that's a very divisive subject even for your old RPG fans.
>>331747813
I always hear this but everytime I actually ask people to point out what is bad nobody can give an argument beyond WAH WAH THE ORC HAS AN OPTIONAL GAY ROMANCE
>Irenicus VA
muh dick
low level D&D - underpowered, one bad arrow to the knee kills you
high level D&D - overpowered, magic becomes incredibly stupid (divine/arcane buffs make you stronger than the piss-worthless non-casters, Save or Die spells)
somewhere in the middle is a short stint of "balance", but those are the levels where you just fireball caves full of Orcs to powerlevel thru
>>331748201
Doesn't this fall in the middle part seeing as it's between BG1 and BG2?
>>331748201
>play temple of elemental evil
>ATTACK THAT CHICKEN
>miss
>chicken attacks back and critically hits 6HP fighter and kills him
fucking chickens
>>331748343
>play baldur's gate
>ATTACK THAT RAT
>critical miss
>rat attacks back and critically hits 7HP fighter and kills him
fuck rats
>>331743001
>blank slate
You're a bhaalspawn, that pretty much invalidates the whole tabula rasa thing
Also, you can roleplay up the option for only wanting to get back at Irenicus. You can even do it from two different angles: revenge vs. he can give me great power. There are numerous talking options where you can even say you don't care about Imoen; you're just shitposting at this point.
Wait how is this possible? Does it take place between BG1 and BG2? Does it make BG2 non-canon or is this expansion non-canon itself?
>>331748482
Takes place between BG1 and BG2. Canon.
>>331748513
I guess it just fucks up the starting power levels in BG2 if that's the case since I imagine the level cap is going to be raised. Still seems weird to me.
>>331743768
Funny enough, the gay characters were also both evil, so.......
>>331743909
>the drow
...I don't remember a drow companion
>>331747552
The Enhanced Editions are mediocre upgrades and the content they added in is HORRID.
>>331747583
No you idiot. I love BG1 and BG2. Beamdog just made the stupid enhanced editions and the original content inside of them is fucking AWFUL
>>331741187
>Irenicus VA
>Polish Irenicus VA is long dead
I hate this world
>>331748594
They said they have a plan to do it but I bet it's just going to be a depowering at start of BG2 with the excuse that you got weaker due to Irenicus experimenting on you.
>>331748595
>...I don't remember a drow companion
Baeloth.
>>331748608
>>331748675
And yet you still haven't given a single argument.
>Bodhi bites your dick and drains half your vitality
>>331748756
oh yeah the Black Pits fucker
Forgot he was an NPC in BG:EE
>>331747329
>>331748424
Having a backstory doesn't mean your character is defined. You're not playing Geralt or Brad Armstrong, you're playing your own character.
>You can even do it from two different angles: revenge vs. he can give me great power.
Except these are dumb explanations and there's no obvious middle option.
I want revenge so I'll walk into the guy's trap. Sound plan, it's not like you're playing into his hand or you're able to formulate any plan to counter his trap.
I want power so I'll walk into this guy's trap so he can take my power away from me. Good idea, I'm sure he'll give you a pat on the back or something.
>There are numerous talking options where you can even say you don't care about Imoen
Yes, but those choices usually include dialogue that straight out says you're interested in revenge. Once again, there's no middle ground. Rescuing Imoen because you care for her is the only roleplaying option that makes sense, the other two are just completely dumb.
ITT: We trigger PTSD
>>331748882
So I get a BJ and get to become a D&D 2E vampire?
Seems pretty good to me.
All of Beamdog's original characters are shit, I don't have high hopes for this.
That's a nice max Int you have there.
Would be a shame if something happened to it.
Oh you mean you finally got the level where you get that cool spell?
Damn shame you're about to get deleveled.
>>331748956
>*instant death sound*
>>331749201
They hired Gaider as a writer so they should be fine now.
>>331748939
if you want to pursue irenicus for whatever reason you only have two options because there are only two organizations resourceful and informed enough to make it possible. or you can tell gaelen bale to fuck off and stay in alkhatla and outskirts forever.
>>331749256
Not for this project.
And neo-Gaider is shit.
>>331749258
What does that have to do with what I said?
>>331749201
>still not giving arguments beyond being a broken record repating ITS SHIT CAUSE I SAY ITS SHIT
>>331749346
the middle option is to do nothing, you have no choice but to walk into his trap.
Anyone got a fun BG1/2 build? Never played them before. does Bard get anything interesting?
>>331749521
I think bards are just buff bots I was thinking a paladin or a Mage hunter run but there aren't really any good mages if you don't go evil
>>331749521
Bard is only fun in IWD and onwards.
But there is a mod that adds IWD content (such as multiple selectable bardsongs) and more spells to BG1/BG2 which makes Bard fun.
I still think Red Dragon Disciple or Kensai/Mage are the most fun.
YOU MUST GATHER YOUR PARTY BEFORE VENTURING FORTH
YOU MUST GATHER YOUR PARTY BEFORE VENTURING FORTH
YOU MUST GATHER YOUR PARTY BEFORE VENTURING FORTH
>>331748715
something's fucky
>>331749875
>that resolution
>those portraits
barf
You're on your way to reclaim your father's legacy and this guy slaps your girlfriend's ass.
What do you do?
>>331749521
>be a monk
>laff at Irenicus' treats as you punch his stupid face while ignoring his magics
I had to turn the difficulty to novice for the Kangaxx fight.
>>331749438
That's not what I was saying, but okay.
My point is (in case you didn't understand it after the second explanation) is that you're railroaded into going to rescue Imoen because that's the only choice that makes logical sense. Falling into a trap for revenge or falling into a trap for power just makes no sense. Personal sacrifice for a loved one does.
It's just not good writing. It's a small issue compared to the actual dumb shit that goes on in Spellhold and the other issues with Irenicus, but it's still an issue. At the very least they could have provided some sort of other reason for the player to pursue him. He could have did something fucked up to you in the dungeon that requires you to follow him or sent Bodhi to kidnap you since she commands an entire coven of vampires who could easily overpower you and take you away in the beginning of the game, but they instead work with you kind of for some reason.
>>331750071
True sight, greater whirlwind attack.
>>331743950
>(source btw?)
nice try
http://blog.beamdog.com/2015/12/end-of-year-update-2015.html
>>331750143
no one is forcing you to go after them, an organization makes an offer to help you pursue jon if that is your wish. you can decline. its your choice. please tell me more about the 'dumb shit' that goes on in spellhold and 'other issues' im sure theyll be similarly retarded arguments on which i will shit upon
>>331750143
Why can you not go there for Imoens sake again?
>>331750143
>the very least they could have provided some sort of other reason for the player to pursue him.
what for? you will complain about that other reason too.
>>331748756
I don't need to give an argument, I thought the content they wrote was paltry and benign. Nothing more to say about it, it's personal opinion. Some people might like that kind of schlock.
>>331750404
You're absolutely salty for no good reason, but okay.
>greeted by hooded man with Irenicus VA
>nobody notices or cares
>suddenly Irenicus reveals himself
>HUH WHAT YOU WERE IRENICUS?
>dont need protagonist anymore
>instead of killing him, act like a bond villain and drop him in a maze with his gear and companions
>need to get out of spellhold
>have to deal with Irenicus
>insta kills you if you approach him with party
>gather retards to deal with him and he spaghettis the fuck out
>insta kills them in the end anyways instead of you
>>331750432
You can, I'm just saying if the player doesn't care about Imoen then going there is just pointless. Falling into a trap that could kill you for revenge or power is dumb. Thank God Bodhi decided to drop you into a maze though, Irenicus sure did a good job placing the lives of the only people that can stop him in her hands.
>>331750675
I just gave two reasons though that make more sense than what the game provides.
>>331750983
If the player does not care about Imoen or revenge or power, then he should probably play a game he likes better.
>Every time Neera opens her mouth
Doing the Red Wizard hideout quest in BG2EE was painful. In hindsight I should have done it without bringing her.
>David Warner is back
It's good to hear him again. He sounds old as fuck though.
Biowdrones need to leave and stop ruining BG threads
>>331751068
>the choices given to the player don't make sense
>well if you don't like it, play a different game
Baldurs Gate fans sure get defensive over their favorite game
>>331751412
>Nintendrone
I shouldn've known I was talking to a toddler.
>>331751170
>meet Neera during a scripted encounter
>tells me to meet her in some shady forest
>whatever
>go check it out
>refuses to join the party unless I kick Edwin out first
Whatever, bitch
Dorn's personal quest was genuinely good though.
>>331742430
>Because D&D is NOT turn based? It's a D&D game so it can't be turned based.
What the hell is wrong with you
DnD is obviously turn based, you roll initiative and then everyone acts out their turn, in turn.
>>331751458
>resort to criticizing goofy image posted instead of actual post
BG fan going full defense mode
>>331751534
>i'm a 3E baby pls rape my face
>>331742260
Based anon
>>331750983
i dont know or care what happenes in this beamdong mod, im onlz talking about original series.
you are dropped into the lower spellhold not at irenicus' demand but at bodhi's wish. if you accuse her of being merely his servant in the initial dialogue she says irenicus wishes you dead immediately so they can depart for the underdark but she wants to play with you a little longer by chasing you through the maze.
the people kept in spellhold are not retards, theyre mages of substantial power, so powerful in fact that they need to be separate from the society and imprisoned. wanev himself you meet in neverwinter nights and he's already a powerful wizard. how is that unrealistic?
>>331751412
the only incentives for further pursuit that arise from your brief encounter with irenicus are:
>pursue him because youre curious about the hidden power he was trying to unlock within you
>purusue him because he imprisoned and tortured you and you want to return the favor
>pursue him to release your friend and companion
>dont puruse him
all the possible choices are available to the player
>>331751596
A nintendrone toddler, a nigger, underage AND cockslurping SJW reboot lover all in one.
WHAT A COMBO
Truly you are subhuman incarnate.
>>331751412
But this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do if you can't motivate yourself to continue the plot.
Please do not force yourself to play games that you do not enjoy, rather spend your time with games or activities that are fun to you.
>>331751601
this,
kek
>>331742442
Well put. I think BG2 is the least of all the Infinity Engine games, not to mention toppest of tiers games like FO&2, Arcanum and Age of Decadence.
>>331747786
its a trend
see nosgoth
they'd rather make money by dredging up the corpse of a beloved series than take the risk of making their own game and it flunking
this way they can have a safety net, they can make bank of nostalgia and the name of a good series, and alternatively if the game flunks they can always say that there just wasnt enough interest in that old game anymore and try to save face by anyone attacking the fact that they just made a bad game
>>331750143
>He could have did something fucked up to you in the dungeon that requires you to follow him
That would have been just the same as the aforementioned reasons, since you'd be forced to go there anyway. You wouldn't be able to build your characters personality around this reason, like you can going after Jon for Imoen/revenge/power.
>>331743001
The game is a sequel. The first party member you get in the first game is imoen. Secondly, insane =/= retarded. Thirdly, it's a crpg, literally who gives a shit about the main story as long as it's decent? If anything the whole deal with sending imoen to spellhold and putting the main story on ice until you've gotten the chance to explore the world is very thought through.
>b-but i don't care about imoen
Jesus christ just stop posting
>>331743183
BG1 is very explore-y, great music and great overall. BG2 is a bit different and many consider it the goat and some (like me) think it's alright but nothing special.
>>331741187
Gonna play it anyway, even if we already know the canon party of BG2´s beginning.
And to hear Irenicus´s voice actor again.
>David Warner is back
HELL YEAH
>>331751964
BG1 made you feel like an adventurer with an DM who had an overall plotline but allowed you to jsut do classic adventurey shit.
>>331743363
Biggest difference between BG and IWD is that IWD is linear. Both IWD games are very small scale productions compared to BG.
>>331751798
nothing of what he said is well put or even sensible. all the non-issues he meantions arise from his unfamilarity with the plot.
>>331741187
>leader of the army is a female
*tips fedora*
>>331752250
Melly was a girl too
>>331741187
>that irenicus writing
why did they make him a full edgelord?
>>331752359
When he WASN'T a full edgelord?
Nigga did you explore his rape dungeon?
>>331752449
this game is a prequel though
>>331748956
>summon Mordenkainen's Sword
gg no re
>>331752359
The writing in both the animation cinematic sequence and the in-game dialogue seems the same level as Baldur's Gate 2 and is kept in the same style as well.
Tip that fedora faster
>people acting as if Beamdog has no original BioWare employees
Trent Oster, the main producer of the BG series.
Brent Knowles, the lead designer and creative director of BG2.
Cameron Tofer, lead programmer behind the BG series and also the sole creator of the Infinity Engine.
Sure it ain't much but those are pretty much the most important people behind a project.
They also got Sam Hulick as composer (Mass Effect series, Red Orchestra 2) since the original composer Michael Hoenig is retired.
>>331751656
>you are dropped into the lower spellhold not at irenicus' demand but at bodhi's wish
I realize that, but Irenicus is retarded for trusting Bodhi to do what he could have done. Bodhi is also as retarded for dropping you into a maze with your normal gear and companions that has an actual exit.
Spellhold isn't just for powerful magic users, but also the insane. One of the inmates was a shapeshifter, Tiax was just an insane cleric, one could see multiple planes, and I forgot about the others. Wanev is powerful, but not nearly as powerful as Irenicus. Point is, they're unarmed and defenseless against Irenicus and he proves this when he instantly kills them in the end anyways.
>pursue him because youre curious about the hidden power he was trying to unlock within you
He was trying to take power from you, not unlock it. Curiousity is a fair motive though anyways
>purusue him because he imprisoned and tortured you and you want to return the favor
>pursue him to return the favor even though you're willfully heading into a trap where he'll continue to torture and imprison you
Yeah doesn't work
>pursue him to release your friend and companion
Good option
>dont puruse him
Not a good option, leading him to you instead of vice versa would have been interesting though.
>>331751695
I enjoyed it enough to finish it obviously, it's just overrated.
>>331751860
Going there to undo something he did makes more sense than going into a trap for revenge or going to someone who wants your power for power.
>>331751948
I understand its a sequel, but if I remember in BG1 Imoen wasn't a necessary character at all. She would leave if she didn't like you. She's forced in BG2 though.
>literally who gives a shit about the main story as long as it's decent
I never argued it wasn't decent, it just has issues. People get too defensive about games they like.
>>331752209
BG2 is also extremely linear compared to BG1 all things considered.
And ToB is literally linear in every sense of the word.
>>331752359
What the fuck are you on about? He's absolutely spot on.
>>331752482
Probably not too long before BG2.
This prequel might explain how he found out about PC bhaalspawn.
>>331752593
>I won't let you leave, not when I'm so close to unlocking your power
Did you really finish this game?
>>331752540
>Beamdog is a digital distribution platform
>Overhaul Games is a division of Beamdog
that actually develop the games doesn't have these people among the employes.
>>331752359
Did we even play the same fucking game? Better question is when Irenicus was NOT edgy.
He's literally devoid of all emotion except anger and hate.
Some of his very first dialogue from him that you see is "YOU WILL SUFFER, YOU WILL ALL SUFFER"
>>331752602
>BG2 is also extremely linear compared to BG1 all things considered.
Not exactly.
The problem with BG2 is that it gives you access to all the sidequests in the game in Act 2. And honestly none of them are that hard, except one or two. And even those can be instantly beaten with only one party member or a simple scroll.
Then it's just a corridor till the end of the game.
>>331743379
You know it is DnD, the fucker runs out of spells and dies. He is defeated by some angry Imp creatures in the end lol. mages without spells is the most useless shit ever.
And I am pretty sure those "retards" at Spellhold are more than just "retards". It is a fucking prison for dangerous arcanists.
>>331752850
Overhaul is a studio in Beamdog same way how CDPR was a studio in CD Projekt and had shared management.
Stop being retarded anon.
Heck I can just pull the credits from BG:EE to prove you wrong if you want.
I hope we get to meetSaemon Haverian
Hoenig may be retired but Hulick is a goat composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNuGMRMi5cA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNF2s6fNsws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fWiZYzB0mg
>>331748675
>the original content inside of them is fucking AWFUL
I can understand what you mean.
>>331752593
>Going there to undo something he did makes more sense than going into a trap for revenge or going to someone who wants your power for power.
Fair enough.
I never saw Spellhold as a trap though, since the PC has no idea what it is, how powerful the mages are in the prison itself or how powerful Irenicus is compared to them.
It wasn't like Irenicus took Imoen to his base and and said "Haha, follow me you fool if you dare".
>>331752593
>I realize that, but Irenicus is retarded for trusting Bodhi to do what he could have done
irenicus is not an omnipotent nor omniscient, he makes mistakes at multiple instances of the game. bodhi IS retarded, her whole arc is trying to establish herself as irenicus' equal and she loses her shit whenever you question that. this was her way of trying to take control. characters making mistakes is not a fault of the game, its good writing.
>Point is, they're unarmed and defenseless against Irenicus and he proves this when he instantly kills them in the end anyways.
theyre not unarmed nor defenseless but theyre locked up and separated from each other. only when lonk the sane dies are they able to rally together.
>pursue him to return the favor even though you're willfully heading into a trap where he'll continue to torture and imprison you
if you wish to pursue irenicus you have no other choice but to do as your told by one of the two organizations that can make it possible for you to reach him.
>dont puruse him
Not a good option,
an option nonetheless
>>331752972
Then why new stuff from EE is so different in a bad way compared to the originals?
>>331751601
Hah ye you got me :^)
Does not change the fact that combat in BG2 is craptastically shit tho
>>331748675
>>331753139
I heard that the vampire companion in BG2 was decent if ignored the fact that her mere existence made Jan lose his fucking shit nonstop
>>331752593
>I understand its a sequel, but if I remember in BG1 Imoen wasn't a necessary character at all. She would leave if she didn't like you.
SHE'S THE ONLY FUCKING CHARACTER THAT DOESN'T LEAVE NO MATTER WHAT
YOU NEVER PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME
>He was trying to take power from you, not unlock it. Curiousity is a fair motive though anyways
"I will not let you leave, not when I am THIS close to unlocking your power!" - Irenicus at the start of BG2
You are full of shit and never played the fucking game.
>>331752227
>nothing of what he said is well put or even sensible. all the non-issues he meantions arise from his unfamilarity with the plot.
He said:
>It does though. The game starts off fine in Irenicus' dungeon. He starts off as a mysterious villain with an immense amount of power and unknown motivations. Walking around his lab, finding his former "friends" in jars and undying was great.
>Then you get out of the dungeon and the plot becomes weaker. Irenicus drags Imoen off with himself to Spellhold to bait you to come after him which is fine and dandy except for the fact that this entire plot point relies on the player actually caring for Imoen and being stupid enough to take the bait.
>Fast forward to Spellhold and you defeat Irenicus with a band of literally retarded people. Without the retards, Irenicus gets cutscene powers and instantly kills you.
>Fast forward to the reveal of the antagonist's motivations and we discover he's stripped of emotions and was exiled from his people for being just an average power hungry villain. Oh, except he is still able to feel anger because that's the only thing driving his motivations besides power. Yeah so they stripped him of all emotions except for the one that will likely lead him to take revenge.
It's all true.
>>331752890
That's what makes it linear though.
The first 1/3 of the game you have some degree of freedom to fuck around and learn the ropes but then it's corridor central.
How many of you killed her just so you could skip underdark?
>>331753259
(You)
>>331753419
Never.
I just did quests for the drow so the only decent characterthere leaves and then most of my characters massacre the entire fucking city.
Who here immediately abandons Jaheera?
>>331753419
>you could skip underdark
Why would I?
>>331753235
Not everything is done by the same people.
Also what exactly was bad about Black Pits, Rasaad or Baeltoh? Neera is just as wacky as Minsc and is a perfect representation of a Wild Mage.
Dorn is your typical edgelord Blackguard that fits the class to a T, the only bad thing about him is the OPTIONAL gay romance. It's not like he's DA2 Anders where you get -999 REP YOU'RE WORSE THAN HITLER FOR REJECTING MY ADVANCES.
Hexxat is a just a boring niggeress vampire but that's pretty much it, she doesn't have any cringy dialogue or anything. She's just a boring vampire which I agree falls under bland but that makes her mediocre rather than bad.
>>331753569
Rasaad could be good actually if he was less talkative.
>>331753569
>-999 REP YOU'RE WORSE THAN HITLER FOR REJECTING MY ADVANCES.
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>>331753139
Did you even do his quest? It's pretty good.
I know this is neo-/v/ where any notion of homosex is cancer incarnate but at least try to be objective.
I don't see you saying New Vegas is cancer incarnate because one of the companions has optional homosex route.
>>331753329
He's right about BG1 Imoen not being necessary though. She might be the only one that doesn't leave you but you can ditch her at the start of the game and nothing changes.
>>331753562
people pretend to dislike underground, dungeon, sewer levels etc. or prologues of any kind
its an old /v/ meme
>>331753379
perhaps you should follow the sequence of responses in which i btfo every one of those accussations. except for:
>Fast forward to the reveal of the antagonist's motivations and we discover he's stripped of emotions and was exiled from his people for being just an average power hungry villain. Oh, except he is still able to feel anger because that's the only thing driving his motivations besides power. Yeah so they stripped him of all emotions except for the one that will likely lead him to take revenge.
there was never any talk of him being stripped of emotions, he was stripped of "what made him an elf", including his immortal soul. it made him bitter and vindictive, it made him turn the love he once for ellssime into hatred and desire of payback. he wasnt force-fed a emotion-removing potion. the only talk about him being an emotionless husk comes from driads whom he brought to his dungeon specifically to try and reignite his lost love, which in itself is an emtional act.
>>331753737
If underground is well made, Im all for it. To bad they almost never are.
>>331753716
I know you can but the point is that he lied by saying she leaves you if you go against her wishes when she's literally the only character that doesn't.
>>331753379
>Irenicus drags Imoen off with himself to Spellhold to bait you to come after him which is fine and dandy except for the fact that this entire plot point relies on the player actually caring for Imoen and being stupid enough to take the bait.
The bhaalspawn doesn't know Irenicus is playing him. He's not diving into a trap, he's fooled and betrayed.
>>331753419
I did in my first playthrough. I had vengeance to exact and a day to save so I had no time to deal with a dragons demands.
>>331753737
People hate sewers, not dungeons or motherfucking Underdark.
Underdark is great.
That HotU expansion for NWN1 was GOAT
>>331752729
That was aimed at Imoen I'm nearly positive. She suppressed her powers as Irenicus says during the reveal. Yes I did finish it, but not Throne yet.
>>331753173
>irenicus is not an omnipotent nor omniscient
He doesn't have to be, he handed off the protagonist to his incompetent companion instead of killing the protagonist himself. It's like when a main villain leaves the fate of the protagonist in the hands of completely incompetent thugs. He had power over them and then gave it up for no reason.
>theyre not unarmed nor defenseless but theyre locked up and separated from each other. only when lonk the sane dies are they able to rally together.
Don't actually have to kill him and they're not some sort of super group. Irenicus is much more powerful than them and you as he demonstrates multiple times.
>if you wish to pursue irenicus you have no other choice but to do as your told by one of the two organizations that can make it possible for you to reach him.
If you want to take revenge on him, the best way is to not pursue him and let him come to you. Walking into his trap for revenge is really just dumb no matter how you try to explain it.
>>331753329
>SHE'S THE ONLY FUCKING CHARACTER THAT DOESN'T LEAVE NO MATTER WHAT
Might have been an issue with the enhanced edition then because Imoen definitely left my party when I played my evil character. Don't know how else to explain it.
>>331753539
Why do people hate her again?
>>331751412
man, this nigga sure loves to suck dicks.
>>331754141
>ight have been an issue with the enhanced edition then because Imoen definitely left my party when I played my evil character. Don't know how else to explain it.
She only leaves your party but she doesn't leave forever.
You can talk to her and she joins back.
She doesn't completely despawn from the game like other characters do.
>>331754141
>If you want to take revenge on him, the best way is to not pursue him and let him come to you. Walking into his trap for revenge is really just dumb no matter how you try to explain it.
Why would he come after you if he already has Imoen? One bhaalspawn is the only thing he needs, if he doesn't manage to kill her in the process.
>>331748675
True, quayle, cernd, tsundere drow, muh wings, bg1 empty shells, braindead hamster are much better characters. And the writing in general is so good, so philosophical.
>>331754141
>the best way is to not pursue him and let him come to you
He already has Imoen, he has literally no need to come after you, why would he?
>Walking into his trap for revenge is really just dumb no matter how you try to explain it.
You literally don't know it's a trap. He gets taken by force along with Imoen. You don't see him being in control.
Patch 2.0 changes ruined everything. I'm gonna pirate this shit.
>>331754365
Something tells me the people shitting on it either never played original games at all and are just parroting shit or are wearing heavily rose tinted nostalgia goggles.
>>331754447
Ruined what? Explain
If you mean the health bars and the ink outline they've been confirmed as optional since day 1, they're mostly being added for the tablets with smaller screens where it's harder to see shit.
>>331754365
Never made that claim anon, just said the added content was bad and that is in more ways than one.
>>331754254
She disappeared for me. Might have been a glitch, I thought it was normal though.
>>331754324
>>331754391
Didn't he give Bodhi her soul or power before you even show up?
Also it's incredibly obvious it's a trap. Other characters mention that to you multiple times and the player already knows of Irenicus' power at that time.
>>331753751
I can't believe I did this...
>She's your fucking sister and a Bhaalspawn. How is that not enough motivation?
It's a ROLE PLAYING game. Perhaps you hate her, or Evil? Realize it's a trap?
>>>331743001
>>>intro shows Irenicus casually blowing up Cowled Wizards
>He literally concedes in the intro due to the very fact their numbers outmatch him and he'd lose eventually.
You DARE TO PERSUME TO KNOW THE MIND OF *JON IRENICUS*?!?!?!
>>>331750143
>no one is forcing you to go after them, an organization makes an offer to help you pursue jon if that is your wish. you can decline. its your choice. please tell me more about the 'dumb shit' that goes on in spellhold and 'other issues' im sure theyll be similarly retarded arguments on which i will shit upon
>no one is forcing you to go after [him]
>...
>except the game
The point is that you get pigeonholed into this plan of action and it's kind of clunky. Not the worst ever but all the points the dude had in his post still stands, you btfo'd shit.
>>331754592
Sure you didn't kill her or something didn't kill her?
>>331754141
The player character, and the player, know not who it was aimed at. Assuming it's directed towards the progeny of a god is logical and means that "pursue him because youre curious about the hidden power he was trying to unlock within you" is a valid motive.
Throne is way worse than SoA by the way. It definitely has worse writing and is very linear.
>>331754365
Quale counts among BG1 characters, the rest of the companions in BG2, save for Cernd and Mazzy, are indeed much better than the one dimensional, poorly written beamdog characters. Hexxat is at least somewhat interesting because of her design (i liked it better when she was called Valen, though), and her quest.
>>331754770
Oh yeah, Nalia is garbage too but she's more of a quest-giver who sticks around rather than true companion.
>>331741187
wait, isn't PC supposed to be someone else than the PC from bg1&2 ?
i'm a bit confused cause the intro says something like "you killed your half-brother sarevok"
Yeah, nah, fuck Beamdog. I hope this shit bombs.
It would be a travesty if this cashgrab sold while Underrail and AoD struggle.
>>331754965
The main character in BG1&2 killed his half-brother Sarevok.
>>331741278
>another spawn of bhaal
goddamn these hacks can't do anything right
brace yourself for linear campaign with no exploration and the same kind of shit writing you can read in their shit original characters' banter
>>331754640
I'm pretty sure, we were out of combat for awhile.
>>331754641
>Assuming it's directed towards the progeny of a god is logical and means that "pursue him because you're curious about the hidden power he was trying to unlock within you" is a valid motive.
Fair point, didn't look at it that way.
>Throne is way worse than SoA by the way. It definitely has worse writing and is very linear.
That's why I stopped playing it honestly. I did that real time console command shit to advance companion and romance dialogue and it all just felt kind of fucked.
>>331754965
Same protagonist.
Takes place between BG1 and BG2, explains the nature of mysterious circumstances that forced you to leave the city and also how you ended up captured by Irenicus.
anyone else who's really not hyped for this?
i mean i loved baldur's gate 1&2 but i'm really expecting this to be as bad as fallout 4.
>>331754848
I wish there was more content with her.
>>331755103
>Takes place between BG1 and BG2, explains the nature of mysterious circumstances that forced you to leave the city and also how you ended up captured by Irenicus.
optimism withdrawn
>>331755037
>le indie shit meme
Off you go back to Codex.
>>331755171
The story is all new though
>>331755058
i know i killed him, i was just under the impression that the PC in siege of dragonspear wasn't supposed to be the same PC as in bg1 and 2
>>331755103
well in that case it makes perfect sense. i wonder what they are going to do with the levels then, doesn't leave much room since you normally end bg1 at lvl 6 and start bg2 as 6 or 7 (or was it 7 or 8), depending on class
The voice direction is surprisingly on-point. PoE's narration was kind of bland.
I guess I'll be vaguely optimistic.
>>331754552
try to change the new character screen to the old one.
>>331755132
I'm cautiously optimistic, pirating it that's for sure but I'm not passing any judgement until I actually play it
>>331755284
>doesn't leave much room since you normally end bg1 at lvl 6
You end it around 9-10 with the expansion though.
Also they said they have some plan for the import but I bet it will just be de-leveling you but you will be able to get your gear back
>>331755173
Choke on a dick. Maybe you should play these games instead of bitching about a site that is completely unrelated to us.
>>331755429
Is 2.0 out? Or is it still on beta branch? Explain because you're being vague as fuck
>>331755087
Yea the big tweest in Throne was so obvious you couls see it coming from the start pretty much.
Also everyone just pushes the main character around despite me being literally one of the strongest candidates for godhood around.
Now that I think about it, I didn't like Throne of Bhaal at all.
>>331755502
Beta. Don't worry, you will see those lovely changes and the new bugs in a week.
>>331755565
>>331755087
Ascension is pretty much mandatory to make ToB not shit
>>331755583
Stop being a vague snarky asshat and just fucking say what the problem is otherwise i'm going to assume you're just shitposting
>>331755261
But what about the nonexistent level gap between BG1 and BG2?
>>331755173
>>331755565
I liked it for two reasons, Imoen was back to her slightly more cheerful self, and because I could hang out with Sarevok.
But that's pretty much it.
>>331755726
>Imoen was back to her slightly more cheerful self
Imoen romance mod mandatory?
>>331755710
see >>331755430
It's either that or they're going to bump everything up in BG2
>>331755815
There is no Imoen romance mod for ToB.
The only one existing is for BG2 and it's not purely a romance mod, it adds a ton of dialogue with no need to pursue romance.
>>331755710
You will probably lost some of your power in Irenicus dungeon after his experiments.
>>331755904
nice try.
>>331756063
What are you on about now?
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY DONE TO THE CHARACTER SCREEN
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>tfw you betray the drow bitch and her mother then give the dragon eggs to the demon then kill the dragon anyway to obtain his blood and finish human skin +5
>>331756896
ENJOY IT IN ALL OF YOUR EE GAMES FROM NOW ON MOTHERFUCKER
>>331756896
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
WHY COULDN'T THEY KEEP THE INTERFACE THEY HAD IN 1.3
>EE
>ever
Get the original games, trilogy mod and the community patches.
Fuck their expansion, it's not like they showed they have any writing talent anyway.
>>331757003
I'M SORRY FOR NOT BELIEVING YOU ANON
I STARTED THE 2.0 BETA DOWNLOAD BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE FOR MYSELF
AND JESUS CHRIST WHY
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THAT THIS >>331756896
LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS >>331749660
>>331757003
Man am I glad I backed up the 1.3 versions since they're DRM free even on Steam and I mostly did it because I knew 2.0 would break most mods for a while.
