What's the /v/ verdict?
>>331281179
wish they actually went the zombie route and we had more enemies than hood thugs.
>>331281179
Incredibly dull and poorly thought out game.
Same as Y1 Destiny
>rush to endgame
>no endgame
better loot system imo, similar to how diablo works. Every rioter seems to be black and holds their pistol sideways.
>>331281367
>>rush to endgame
why?
>>331281278
I'm glad there's finally a loot-based game that isn't based off mythical stuff. This was the exact setting I've wanted for a while now, a current setting loot-based game. I'm liking it so far and can't wait to see the end-game builds and items. The only problem I have with this game is that there doesn't seem to be a strong end-game. There's no raids, exciting bosses (that aren't bosses that have some special move or anything).
Overall though, it's not a bad game. I'd say somewhere along a 7.
Buggy ass shit that even Ubisoft tech support admits is broken with no patches to fix them in the forseeable future
>>331281179
grind fest, black thug murder simulator, literally no end game, whole PvP gimmick is brokenoverall pretty fun
Fun game with potential that is suffering because of severe lack of end game content and the train wreck that is the Dark Zone. I've put in 50 hours, I had my fun, but at this point I really only log on to do my dailies and then I log off, but I haven't even done that in two days. I'm just waiting for whatever they have planned on releasing this week, as well as the content patch next month. It's just Destiny all over again. Content dry and repetitive for the people who powered to end game, now we have to wait for the game to get updated to actually be good. Hopefully I haven't lost interest by then.
>>331281550
>even Ubisoft tech support admits is broken
SOURCE?
>all those collectables
>the 100%ist in me has to have all the trophies
fuck
>>331281696
The chat I had earlier with them when I opened up a bug ticket on the support site.
Fun co-op game, but with shitty PvP
If you plan on playing solo or for the Dark Zone then stay away. Otherwise it's a decent loot-and-shoot game when played with friends but a missed opportunity otherwise. It's basically wasted potential: the game.
>>331281490
to be fair it only consists of reaching lvl 30
>>331281524
I agree with the setting, but my problem is how long before a snowy Manhattan area becomes dull? They will have to venture out beyond New York and have different seasons. All snow all the time is going to get old.
>>331281970
Like most ubisoft games
>Not opening up with at least one incursion at release.
>No actual incentive to go Rogue in DZ, making it just ever more grinding.
>No missions set in the DZ where several groups of agents take on mutally exclusive goals.
>Gun and gear variety is just as boring as expected.
>How come this bloke in a hoodie won't go down after several shotgun blasts to the face?
It's moving along, but damned if it didn't punch itself in the face when it launched the way it did.
>>331281179
Game of the century 11/10
Absolutely amazing
>Diverse detailed world
>Memorable characters
>Amazing voice acting
>Phenomenal loot system with exciting combinations
>Top tier sound design
>Visceral gameplay
>Tight shooting mechanics
LITERAL and FIGURATIVE best game ever made quality
>>331282219
My issue with the incursion thing is nobody knows what the fuck it even is. Unless I have missed an announcement somewhere, as far as I'm aware, we have almost no details on what we are doing in these incursions.
>>331282337
>>Memorable characters
>>Amazing voice acting
>>Tight shooting mechanics
>>331282504
McFucking kill yourself you redditor.
>>331282371
calling it now:pvp where we side with keener
>>331281762
but the collectibles give us the only decent writing in the game
>>331282607
The fuck did you call me you dumb nigger piece of shit I will fucking knuckle smash your dick hole you waste of breath cuck fuck boi piece of trash
>>331282607
You have to set the hook before trying to real in dude. Your bait is too weak
>>331282337
is it opposite day?
>>331281632
>but at this point I really only log on to do my dailies and then I log off
This sounds just like Destiny. Fuck.
>>331282759
It's ree---- oh I see what you did there you sneaky fuck.
>>331281179
Got it
>Bullet sponge bad guys
>Easy matchmaking, never hard to find people
>Missions are actually breddy good with 4 people
>There are few missions that are this fun, rest are shitty quick ones
>my files main quest is glitched to tell me to do some tutorial step and im level 15
>can kill dogs, cant kill peds
>havent even played around with the "DARKZONE" for more than 5 minutes because its probably a shit
>no items matter, only clothing items do.
>>331281490
its just how people react to a loot treadmill and a progression system. all that drives a game like this is that, nobody plays it for the story
>>331282874
>>331282751
>>331282759
Disinformation shitposting is a ban-able offense.
>>331283062
[citation needed]
>>331283062
Everyone on v would be banned then you liar.
>>331281179
Downgrade. That's it. I just don't understand why you people keep buying Ubisoft games, when they are always not what the company advertise them to be before their release.
By buying downgraded games, you
stupidly agree with this false advertising.
>Cleaner missions
Fuck everything about Cleaners.
Fuck Shields
Fuck Flamethrowers
Fuck mega Flamethrowers
Fuck napalm grenades
Fuck gas grenades
It's what Nether should have been at release, except this game is third person and there are no mutated creatures. I like it, but fuck me if the Dark Zone is not meticulous as shit. People with high ranked gear camp the low tier places. Even if you are at level 30 and DZ 30 you're still fucked if you go past the 3rd out of 6 section of the zone. Farm this farm that. I just want more of the story, but y'know, DLC plans.I hate myself for buying the season pass today, but I have high hopes that the add ons will add much more sustainable content than Destiny did.House of Wolves is better than Taken King. Fite me nigger.
>>331282337
>Phenomenal loot system
>Visceral gameplay
>Tight shooting mechanic
this is a bait.
>>331283545
>behind cover
>cleaner AI charges with shotgun because AI cant into tacticool
>empty magazine, he's still alive
>out comes the flamethrower
>burn to death behind coverREEEEEEEE
Really repetitive and honestly a grind most of the time. I spend all this time getting all the base wing upgrades and nothing happens, so it feels absent of any real reward. Also, you really hit a wall as soon as you run out of missions because encounters and Dark Zone PvP are pretty fucking boring. The only thing I'm playing for at this point islooting accessories so I can play dress up with my virtual avatar like the autistic little girl I am.
I will say this, I went into it expecting absolutely nothing and came out of it pleasantly surprised. Also, my roommate fucking sucks at it (~20 hours and still level 14 lol).
Overall, 6/10. Mediocre, but as addictive as any other MMO.
>>331283606
>House of Wolves is better than Taken King
its because it made the old shit relevant again while taken king made it irrelevant yet again 5 months later
I would be surprised if ubisoft doesnt raise the level cap and loot quality and make previous dlc irrelevant just the same
>>331283740
>I've never played the game I'm criticizing
Kill yourself 9gagfag
>>331283749
Worse yet:
>Running medical mission
>Final boss battle spawns 5 Shields.
>They all charge at one player.
>Constantly getting hammered by gunfire while trying to get behind their fucking shield.
>Die while rolling away from one's axe into another's
How do I charge for the endgame /v/, I want to be done with this fucking game
>>331283859
The melee in this game is fucking dogshit
>>331283009
I wanted to play it for story, got it a few days later than friends.
They all ground to lvl 30 as soon as they could, then ran through dark zone and ground that too.
I start playing and am digging the setting, the isolation, picking things up, i like stalking through the abandoned city. Exploring, picking up the phones and listening to the chaos.
Friends join my game.
"we'll run you through the levels, we'll replay them on hard to grind you faster"
a few hours of me getting 1 shot by every enemy, not being able to kill anything. Story is fucking ruined.
My gear is constantly getting replaced, every mission, new stuff, I'm not even paying attention to stats anymore. Finally i'm level 30. "Okay cool now what do i do?"
"Now you can grind gear with us"
: (
>>331283946
I'm sorry Anon, but your friends arenormal, you're autistic
>>331283845
>YOU NEVER EVEN PLAYED IT
Fanboy defense #241
>>331281179
It is the most unjustifiably successful piece of shit Ubisoft has ever released
And its one of the worst games Ubisoft has ever made
>>331281179
blandest bland that ever blanded
>>331283946
>I wanted to play it for story
You picked arguably the worst game to play then. I'll admit the setting is handled quite well but the actual story and writing/acting is a fucking joke even by video game standards
>>331284038
You very obviously haven't you fucking newfag.
>>331283946
the standard for content is just too high for this game and destiny to keep up
thats why destiny was dead for a month or two right before the each expansion.
same thing with this game. Ubisoft won't be able to release enough content to keep up with the ability people can grind. they can blast through a dlc in about 3 weeks and then the game will die until the next dlc
>>331284185
>game had an open beta of 6 million players
>B-BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T PLAYED IT NEWFAG
wew lad
>>331281179
literally who cares
literally no waifus
>>331284485
>beta
Yes, that's a beta, not one of the single greatest games ever made in entirety.
>>331284036
>>331284146
Fuck you guys
(But yeah i get it the story is fucking rubbish, The beginning had suspense and mystery, when you first meet the cleaners.)
I was drawn into the setting.
>>331284542
>not playing as your own operatorfu
faggot
>>331284607
There is like 8 faces that are all ugly as sin and all the outfits look exactly the fucking same.
>>331284607
>having to create your own waifu
what's the point
>>331284573
>IT'S JUST A BETA
Top kek
>>331284696
The last response of a defeated shitstain.
Don't respond to me if you're not even going to attempt to actually refute any point in my original post.
>>331281696
I was actually just reading about some issues like this. Basically, when crafting a new back pack if you immediately go into group play (going into another instance) the game can glitch hard if you have to much in your inventory.
And by glitch hard I mean not even be able to log in.
They have literally said it'll be a month at least till they can fix it. They don't apparently have a tool to go into players accounts, hence the wait time. Affects all platforms. Source is ubiforums if you wanna go look.
>can shoot dead dogs in the street
>can't do anything to civilians. at all
B R A V O
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>>331284734
>The last response of a defeated shitstain.
Actually that would be
"You very obviously haven't played it you fucking newfag."
and
"That's a beta"
You have no point worth refuting. You made bullshit claims and then resorted to ad hominem and fanboy-tier damage control arguments when you got called out on it.
Please respond some more so I can wreck you even harder.
>>331282371
They appear to be raids. I saw some speculation that they were 8 man group content. But that's based off of old vids.
Bottom right of the map shows where the first will be. Ubi has hinted at content drop next week. Could be it.
>>331284847
>Walk past NPC
>"I THOUGHT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HELP US!"
>Unload on him
>Just runs away
>>331284848
Supreme delusion.
Having not actually played the full software immediately negates any argument you have, if you even bothered to stop being an aspie and constructed something to actually respond to what I said. You even immediately responded with an attack on character.
Your retarded high-horse bravado makes it all the more hilarious.
>>331285109
>playing with a group
>see dog
>kill it
>"WHAT THE FUCK ANON"
>kicked
>mfw
>>331284848
Not the original anon you were arguing with, but those are all marketing buzz words anyway. What the fuck is visceral gameplay and why have I only heard marketers mention it?
The gunplay is alright though.
>>331285219
>no argument
>IT'S JUST A BETA damage control
>complains about an attack on character
>immediately responsts with character attacks and high-horse bravado
This is rich
>>331285380
Pic related is what you're equating to.
>>331285469
Pic related is what you're equating to.
>>331285540
See >>331282337
Give reasons as to why I'm wrong.
You've run in circles for night 40 minutes now and said nothing.
>>331285602
Give reasons as to why
>You haven't even played it
and
>The beta doesn't count
are valid arguments
You've run in circles for 40 minutes now and said nothing.
>>331285380
You're being retardeded than usual. You know what I mean. Knock it off.
>>331285469
Why respond? You just stooped to his level with this post.
>>331285602
>>331285672
can you two spergs just fuck off?
literally no one cares
>>331285693
>You're being retardeded than usual
You even immediately responded with an attack on character. Nice one.
>>331281179
already flopping like a fish its Evolve all over again
check back in a week and itll only have sub 100 players
DLC/season pass garbage
>>331285672
Give reasons based on what you experienced in the beta then?
I stated that you haven't played it simply because you never gave any information in the first place, which is an immediate sign that someone is just shitposting for the sake of it.
>>331285219
>Having not actually played the full software immediately negates any argument you have,
Ad hominem.
By the same logic Having paid for the full software immediately negates any critiicsm you have, since it makes you hypocrite. Remember "don't like it don't buy it", "vote with your wallet".
>>331281179
A poor man TPS. An average ARPG.
>>331285740
It's not hard to tell that you're socially retarded a la autistic spectrum disorder. Fuck outta here bro.
>>331281762
>Upgrade Security wing
>buy Canine Unit
>Intel Discovery perk
Fuck man, can't even move on with the story cause of all these collectables. At least the map leads you right to them.
>>331285796
Oh look another character attack. Your retarded high-horse hypocrisy makes it all the more hilarious.
>>331285785
I didn't buy it, I got it for free with my GPU so I don't have an obligation or bias for trying to justify a purchase.
>>331285857
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism.htm
While we're at it, take this too. http://www.alexithymia.us/info_Alexithymia-Description_14.html
>>331285882
So basically only people who got it for free bundled with their GPU are allowed judgement. Got it.
>>331285837
>find a missing agent collectable
>1/10
FUCK
Someone save me from myself
>>331285943
I only gave that as my situation because you assume all people will be bias because of justification of purchase.
However ignorance of any first hand experience with a game does make your point invalid.
>>331285758
Flopping? Biggest new title in history and it's flopping? Genius observation. How will it lose millions of players in a week?
>>331285765
You stated that I haven't played it simply because you have nothing to back up your original post so you resorted to personal attacks when called out. It's typical fanboy rhetoric which is an immediate sign that someone is just shitposting for the sake of it.
You never gave any information to back up your original claims in the first place. Just spewing buzzwords like "Visceral gameplay" and "Phenomenal loot system with exciting combinations" doesn't make them substantiated arguments with merit. Shouting PROVE ME WRONG doesn't change that.
>>331285348
No it's not. It's boring and the sound design is absolutely shit. You can't make visceral gameplay or good gunplay in a game with braindead bulletsponge enemies. It's just stats. And it's fine for a ARPG but not for a TPS.
It's a casual game for casuals, the same as all ubisoft games. Whether you like it depends on whether you like playing mediocre mechanics long after they've stopped being novel.
>>331285924
The fact that you're familiar with those sites says a lot more about you than it does about me. Nice projection though.
The saving grace for me is the story, and that's just from the collectibles.
It's refreshing to not have an apocalypse from zombies or nukes but from a very real scenario like a pandemic, and getting to see the results and how civilization degrades and we all turn on each other.
I'll probably stop playing once I complete all missions and find all the collectibles though, I'm not interested in grinding through the DZ, just like I was with Destiny, though the story wasn't nearly as good so I never bothered finishing that game.
This game makes me wish for a sequel set in the same universe but without all that MMO shit, just a greatly expanded single player experience.
>>331286115
The burden of proof is on you.
You disagreed with the opinion but never said anything to substantiate why.
Your loophole shit isn't working.
>>331285796
>>331285740
>>331282337
Geeze. I'll argue the fucking points if you guys stop circle jerking.
>diverse detailed world
No. It's not diverse. It can be detailed but you don't notice it because there's piles of garbage everywhere.
>memorable characters
There are only a few characters, none of which are memorable, fleshed out, dynamic, etc. The jtf hub people are memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.
>amazing voice acting
No. Not terrible. Not good. It's just kind of there. Also, silent protagonist is stupid/20 years ago.
>phenomenal loot etc.
No. It's okay though. The modding is pretty decent at first glance, but it really all devolves into what has best stats.
>sound design
This is actually good.
>buzzwords
Gameplay is okay
>shooting mechanics
I guess? They aren't bad anyway. At least they all have unique patterns. An ak47 fires in a way unique to that particular rifle.
Probably 30 hours logged. 7/10
>>331286045
I didn't assume anything. Post purchase rationalization is a real thing, and I was only citing previous /v/ threads where criticism was invalidated based on purchase of the game.
My point is still valid as you have yet to refute it. Ad hominem does not an argument make, and you don't get to arbitrarily decide that anyone who played the beta doesn't have a valid opinion.
>>331286276
All wrong.
>>331286115
My god, you're still here? I'll be disappointed if the guy you're talking to is NT in terms of no ASD or OCD (or maybe even a personality disorder), but god damn man, stop resorting to sub 75 IQ posting in an elaborate attempt to ruse. The only ones you ruse are those who share similar qualities to yourself; ruse meaning that the person who reads your posts will linger on the fact that they bother them. Improve yourself at once or I shall be forced to taunt you yet again.Yes, now you can say damage control. Congrats. :)
>>331281278
>we had more enemies than hood thugs
but we have more
have you even played it past level 5
>>331286375
Turn the projection down or you'll burn a lightbulb kiddo.
>>331286187
I'm a psychology major and psychological disorders happens to be one of my main interests.
>>331286473
>he's an actual armchair psychologist
Oh my fuck
>>331286116
But the enemies aren't brain dead bullet sponges? They all have specific behavior patterns based off their class. Some rush you, some set up defenses, others sit back and snipe.
Sponges are only there is you aren't geared towards dps, under leveled, or playing group content solo.
>fine for an arpg
What the fuck do you think this game is?
>>331286431
The best kind of armchair psychologist is the one who studies it, has seen multiple professionals for the matter, and has many of the things that normies would consider socially unfit (i.e. schizophrenia, narcissistic personality disorder, asperger's, bipolar disorder etc.)
>>331286265
I'm not the one who made the original claim.
You failed to substantiate the original opinion or prove that the critics didn't play it and that the beta doesn't count. The burden of proof isn't working.
Your damage control isn't working. Nobody is falling for your loophole
>>331286347
Give reasons as to why that's wrong.
Don't respond f you're not even going to attempt to actually refute any of those points
It's alright. I'm playing through it mostly solo. I just take my time doing side quest and exploring the city. I'm just a sucker for loot shooters though.
>>331286626
You're entirely wrong.
>>331286661
Give reasons as to why I'm wrong.
Don't respond to me if you're not even going to attempt to actually refute any of those points
Burden of proof is on you.
I just fucking hate the fact that there's lag even when you're solo. I understand it's always online, but I'm getting tired of shooting guys and having them die 2 seconds later after they've shot me up a bit more.
>>331286661
It's bedtime in america kid.
>>331286701
Nah you're just wrong and literally and figuratively a stupid cukold.
>>331285758
>its Evolve all over again
>bought Evolve
>397 hours on record
>play it on a weekly basis
>hear a big update is coming this summer
>still find low level players who've just bought the game
I know it's fun to shit on Evolve but dammit, I like the game. Shit's fun, and it's come so far from when it first released.
>>331286525
Besides, you don't even know if I'll practice the field or go into a law field.
>>331285219
Supreme delusion.
Having not actually bothered to stop being an aspie and constructed something to actually respond to what I said. You even immediately responded with an attack on character.
You lose.
>>331281179
I get a Diablo feeling playing it, feels good actually. Wonder what will happen in the next few weeks senpaitachi.
>>331286803
Supreme delusion.
Having not actually bothered to stop being an aspie and constructed something to actually respond to what I said. You even immediately responded with an attack on character.
You don't know what you're even doing anymore.
>>331286748
>cukold
>>331286748
>>331286861
>>331286803
Played the beta and watched a mate play it, and by level 9 it looks identical to level 1. No going to bother withb this.
>>331286868
>>cukold
>>331281179
Fuck /v/. I liked it.
>>331286412
Don't try and play it off like they have a variety of enemies. I enjoy the game, but you don't need to blindly defend it. You get the point of his post. There is no enemy variety. You can't argue that
>>331286796
>>331286618
You're a first year psych major trying to psychoanalyze anonymous strangers in an argument over video games on a mongolian shitposting board.
There is no save for you. You're actually this pathetic.
>>331282004
> to be fair it only consists of reaching lvl 30
To be fair... there's lvl 99 for dark zone. You can buy better plans for better weapons from the dark zone vendors at level 50.
>>331286962
We actually could have had a pretty decent level-headed discussion going before the shitposters arrived >>331282337
>>331286962
The majority of people who played it actually liked it. No one actually thinks it's perfect. Can usually get a decent thread going once the shit posters leave.
Joe ferro did nothing wrong
>>331287057
Go the fuck back to your redshit hugbox you autist.
>>331286990
You're shitster and I hope you never make it in the real world. brb applying for SSI for my psychotic and anxiety issuesif you care to know, my IQ is MENSA qualifying, but you don't want to know so too bad amirite?
>>331287149
You seem upset.
>>331287032
Wait, the dz goes to 99? I thought it stopped at 50
>>331283749
>>331283859
git gud. Use better tactics.
You people always bitch about how braindead the AI is but you can't even beat the braindead AI.
>>331283943
> The melee in this game is fucking dogshit
Maybe you should try shooting instead. Melee is only decent to give you 3 seconds to run away to another cover spot.
>>331287168
>if you care to know, my IQ is MENSA qualifying
The gift that keeps on giving.
>>331283946
>"we'll run you through the levels, we'll replay them on hard to grind you faster"
>a few hours of me getting 1 shot by every enemy, not being able to kill anything. Story is fucking ruined.
Tell your friends to fuck off and leave you alone. Enemies scale to everyone's level so if your friends are level 30 and you're much lower... they gonna one shot you.
>>331287128
>The majority of people who played it actually liked it
Ad populum
>>331287216
>melee
I really wish they'd open this up. It's a loot drop game. Let me use a fucking fire axe. Give me a melee skill tree
>>331287193
It goes to 99 but there's no point past 50 since the vendors only sell up to lvl 50 blueprints.
>>331287289
To be fair, the game is pretty much designed to be played co-op. I get that some people are going to want to run through solo at their own personal pace, but they're the odd man out.
>>331287032
Which is a trivial point since the Dark Zone is ass, and progression is based on farming phoinex credits making DZ credits mostly pointless.
>>331287367
With how much health enemies have on challenging... I don't think you would even want to run up to the enemy to melee him. Seems like a sure way to get yourself killed.
Pro
It's a decent 3rd person shooter.
Good combat mechanics
Nice tweeking of builds
Online with mates is good
Cons
Expect destiny style level gaps.
There are some inexcusable bugs
Solo is boring
7/10
>>331287578
>Expect destiny style level gaps.
Could you explain? I haven't plyyed Destiny.
>>331287485
>To be fair, the game is pretty much designed to be played co-op.
Yea but it's designed so you play with people around the same level as you, not 20 levels above you. Go do matchmaking to find people around your level.
> progression is based on farming phoinex credits making DZ credits mostly pointless.
You don't even know what you are taking about here.
There are a shitload of safe rooms in the Dark Zone. Every single safe room in the Dark Zone has a vendor that takes DZ credits. And yes you can buy Yellow blueprints with DZ credit.
>>331287149
>Go the fuck back to your redshit hugbox you autist.
>tumblr_mefp5pxIHu1rvpnry.jpg
>>331286975
>looters who have baseball bats and AKs
>prisoners who are like the looters but with better guns like LMGs and shotguns
>cleaners who have flamethrowers, gas grenades, firebombs, fire axes and shields made of scrap
>a PMC who has guys that carry SMGs, flashbangs, and shotguns, dudes with full sized ballistic shields and LMGs, medics that can deploy first aid stations, fuckers with grenade launchers
Oh no, some of them share enemy archetypes, like snipers and engineers. shit game 0/10
>>331287342
>ad populum
Fuck off. Doesn't even make sense in this context.
>>331287709
It makes perfect sense. "Most people who played it liked it" is a fallacy. You fuck off.
>>331287578
The biggest con for me is that you can get through all of the content in 2 days and then there's nothing to do but grind gear in preparation of future content, which they keep nerfing to artificially drag out how long their game lasts.
>>331287485
>progression is based on farming phoinex credits making DZ credits mostly pointless.
Nub. Every single special enemy with a name you kill will earn you phoenix credits. And DZ has lots of respawning ones. You can FARM phoenix credits from the DZ. Not to mention many DZ endors sell yellow plans for DZ credits.
>>331287491
Hence why I wanted another skill tree to go with it. Could be cool. Bladed melee shreds armor or something. Blunt could cause a flashbang like affect
>>331287804
>Every single special enemy with a name you kill will earn you phoenix credits
They nerfed it. They used to drop 15 phoenix credits, now they drop 1 or 2. It's an extreme waste of time to farm phoenix credits in the darkzone when you can just farm lincoln tunnel and get 30 every 15 minutes
>>331287741
Ad populum implies a falacy based off of collective misperception. This is not what you are implying.
>>331287652
>Yea but it's designed so you play with people around the same level as you, not 20 levels above you
That's a design flaw on the part of Ubisoft. Most multiplayer online games scale enemies down to the lowest member or average level of the party. Playing with randoms is shit compared to your mates.
>And yes you can buy Yellow blueprints with DZ credit.
The best gear is bought through Phoinex Coins. End game in the Division is all about farming PC.
>get yellow gear item at the end of a challenge mission
>it's worse than my current purple
yellows are too hard to get tbqh
>>331287906
You just described exactly what I'm implying.
>>331287809
You might actually be retarded
>>331287956
Not him but yeah, you literally have no idea what that phrase means.
>>331287910
>The best gear is bought through Phoinex Coins. End game in the Division is all about farming PC.
We've seen 3 Phoenix Credit shop resets, and the blueprints have been the same for all 3. Only the purples switched. What you see now is what you get, and there are things missing.
Base of Operations and DZ06 safehouses don't sell weapon mods for every mod slot. Some high end mod blueprints are only available from other DZ safehouses for DZ$, not PCredits
>>331288036
I looked it up to make sure and I know exactly what it means.
>Not him
Sure buddy.
>>331287910
>phoenix coins
Actually, it's worse than that. It's all about the division tech
I'll buy it on summer sale or once it's under €15.
>>331288145
This. The game is already pretty cheap right now but what's the point when I don't have people to play with and it's plagued by hackers. The Dark Zone was a good idea but they fucked up massively on execution.
>>331288145
>>331288219
Better to wait until they release more content. A lot of it is going to be DLC but some of it'll be general updates
>>331288282
The annoying part is if I ever do get the game I'll be way behind on the gear treadmill, unless they reset it with new toptier gear. Thats what I hate about loot-based games, you either get in early or your fucked. IIRC they nerfed the drop rate on high end gear after the first week.
I would have liked it more if there were some kind of mutants or monsters (no zombies), killings thugs is not that fun after a while
>>331288393
>You either get in early or your fucked
How? I got the game a week after my friends did, but I've caught up to them and now I'm doing challenge missions with them. I don't see how changing that week to a month or a year is going to fuck someone.
>Beta launches
>Get to 8
>PvP is fun
>Game launches
>Get to 30
>PvP is shit because it now boils down to ultimates
Fuck this is boring. Everyone is running the Defense ultimate and it makes engagements so fucking boring. Dark Zone was much more fun in the Beta.
>>331288074
No. Saying most people that played it liked it isn't even a falacy. Pic related.
Ad populum applies to when everyone though the world was flat, or various urban myths, shit like that. Not someone saying most people enjoyed the game that played it.
>>331281179
Fine by me
>>331288545
Ad populim applies when majority perception is used to justify something as true. Saying most people played it liked it implies it was a good game for that reason.
>>331288545
There was never a time in history when everyone thought the earth was flat.
The Earth being round was known from about 400-200 B.C., maybe even earlier, historians can't quite agree on that
>>331288676
No. It just means most people liked it.
>>331287128
>no one actually thinks it's perfect
>>331288676
>Ad populim applies when majority perception is used to justify something as true.
True. It doesn't matter whether they were right or not, it's still a fallacy.
Except there are cases where something is "true" based on what majority perception says it is. The meaning of words, for example, or general consensus, or what the majority opinion is for a video game. And the majority opinion is that the game is good.
>>331288507
Are you kidding? The difference between a week and a year is massive. A week is nothing, especially if you have friends to level boost you and barely anyone except the most dedicated of players have the best gear in the endgame.
Even then you're going to have to spend 100 hours to grind for the same gear that used to take 10 hours to get. The only way to fix this is if Ubisoft makes that gear obsolete with newer gear in future updates. Which will most likely happen.
>>331288813
>The meaning of words
>or what the majority opinion is for a video game
Only one of these things is valid based on argument ad populum
>Anon! Go rescue those hostages
>Fight through a series of purple and yellow enemies
>Open cage where hostages being held
>There's a loot crate behind them
>It has a fucking assault rifle in it.
These niggers serious?
The grind to 30 is pretty mindnumbing
all the encounters give pretty shit exp, the only useful part of them is if you need a few extra resources, better to do them overleveld if ever
the missions themselves, are really really hollow, its all "go to this spot, have a shoot out, move to next spot, another shootout", none of them have any depth
once you hit cap its all about the challenge missions and other daily resets, todays daily weapon was a crazy ass SCAR, which sucks too because if youre under 30 you probably cant afford it let alone have the option to buy it, so without being capped you miss out on gear, and if you dont log in every day, you miss out on gear
this also applies to cosmetics which can be bought daily
DZ lvls are pretty worthless after 30
DZ is as shallow as the main game, and PVP is pretty shitty right now, if you dont have your signature and the other group does, youre fucked
go into the DZ alone and youre also fucked
go into the DZ with a matchmaking group and you can expect some fun and good loot, until you try to extract, because one person is going to leave the party, rogue your ass, and then his buddies take the gear.
the only way to do DZ and actually get loot is to play with friends, most of my friends are normies who arent even capped yet, so going to the DZ is a short lived affair because of timezones and shit combined with work/military duties/other shit
if they dont come out with new content within the next month the game will be dead as everybody will have farmed the fuck out of their gear to the point where they cant find upgrades
combined with the endgame being 100% bullet sponge, fights dont feel tense, they feel tiring, signature skills only decrease the time on the bullet sponge and not by a whole lot either, or they keep you from getting railed either at the mob or when you try to extract
and gl getting an extraction without 3 other groups showing up, which then puts a big target on that extraction
>>331288815
Gear is going to be obsolete though. Incursions drop set gear, which will probably be better
>>331288804
Implying that means the game is good, just not perfect. Hence Ad populum
>>331288815
>Even then you're going to have to spend 100 hours to grind for the same gear that used to take 10 hours to get
That's assuming they only nerf and never buff. They could wind up buffing the game more so that it takes 10 hours to get what it used to take people 100 hours to get.
Your argument is based on assumption
>>331288893
If most people think a game is good, then the statement "most people think the game is good" is true.
>>331288979
>Your argument is based on assumption
And yours isn't? Why do you think they're going to suddenly for no reason revert the change they made to loot drop rates?
>>331288964
Implying that your opinion is all that matters in video games
>>331289024
But it doesn't actually make the game good. Which was implied in the context of discussion.
>>331289059
Implying your opinion is all that matters because more people agree with you.
>>331288545
considering that most of those "reviews" were within the first week, i dont trust them in the least, namely because people will try and justify their purchase by circlejerking in review sections like those. SO MANY of those reviews are from people with under 5 or even 10 hours, and theyre either under 20 words or have no content whatsoever to the review. touting that number like it means anything is pointless.
go look at the DLC shit for COD games, its positive rated most of the time, does that mean its good? does that mean its worth the money? absolutely not, steam reviews are a joke
>>331288979
I don't see why they would do that considering they specifically went out of their way to nerf the game so that it takes 100 hours to get what it used to take people 10 hours to get.
>>331289147
Actually, the game had worse reviews when it first came out
>>331281490
>>331281367
Im 2 days played on a character and still level 14 on my highest
Twinking in DZ is fun as fuck
>>331289030
>Why do you think they're going to suddenly for no reason revert the change they made to loot drop rates?
The methods they nerfed were not even the fastest way to get gear. Someone who got into the game after the nerf can get full yellows in less time than it took someone who used those methods before they were nerfed
>>331289078
How does it not make the game good? Just because your fairy ass didn't like it doesn't mean it's bad
>>331289239
How does that work exactly?
>>331288695
>There was never a time in history when everyone thought the earth was flat.
Nigga, you must of failed history class. Back then, the teachings of it being flat was even enforced by Christians. If you said it's round, it went against their teachings. Galileo proved it was round but then he had to take it back or he was gonna be beheaded. He was then placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.
>>331289265
>How does it not make the game good?
Ad populum is a fallacy. Just because lowest common denominator plebs like you liked it doesn't mean it's good. No more than it makes Call of Duty the best shooter or WoW the best MMO ever made.
>>331289263
How?
>>331289341
>i didn't like it so it's shit
Fine. What do you like then?
>>331289078
Now change what I said to "If anon thinks a game is good, then the statement 'anon thinks the game is good' is true."
Now let's say someone asks anon "Is this game good"? Anon thinks it is so he says yes.
He doesn't say "I personally think it is" because this isn't how people talk. People don't add "I think" to the beginning of everything they say. It's already obvious that someone saying something is only saying what they personally think.
Nobody claimed it was objectively good. They were asked what they thought and they answered with what they thought. You turned a question of taste into an argument over semantics and logical objectivity. You're a spergelord
>>331289423
Who are you quoting? Also why does that matter? The point is "most people liked it" does not make a game good.
>>331289442
>Nobody claimed it was objectively good
They did based on the claim that most people liked it.
>You turned a question of taste into an argument over semantics and logical objectivity. You're a spergelord
*sperglord
And actually you did that. Also you're rude.
>>331289276
Plan out a build and carefully do missions that will allow you to unlock the wings stuff you need for skills and what not
stay in the DZ at level 14 and gear some awesome gear
optionally hit DZ rank 30 like i did recently and load up on sweet OP as FUCK Purple level 14 weapons and armor
PvP like fucking crazy taking on entire HORDES or low level players
shit goes down with the occasional VS another well geared player or group of players and its fucking crazy fun
>>331289391
Do Lincoln Tunnel. 30 birdbux in under 10 minutes if your group is good.
Back when you could do it solo, I was doing the final mission on hard. I'd get 30 Phoenix Credits from it and it took longer than 10 minutes.
There's also a bug they're about to nerf that lets you get 1PC every 10-30 seconds depending on how you do it, but it's about to get nerfed and isn't actually that much faster than Lincoln Tunnel farming with competent players.
>>331288920
>The grind to 30 is pretty mindnumbing
Not really. Just go around the city normally and doing missions when you get to em. You can easily end up lvl 30 before you even finish all the missions.
> DZ lvls are pretty worthless after 30
There's a bunch of blueprint that can only be brought at dz lvl 50.
> DZ is as shallow as the main game, and PVP is pretty shitty right now, if you dont have your signature and the other group does, youre fucked
Use fire ammo. Seriously a life saver.
> go into the DZ alone and youre also fucked
I've done well alone, tho I do recommend going as a group.
> go into the DZ with a matchmaking group and you can expect some fun and good loot, until you try to extract, because one person is going to leave the party, rogue your ass, and then his buddies take the gear.
Never seen that happen ever. Once you're in a party, they stick with your party.
> and gl getting an extraction without 3 other groups showing up, which then puts a big target on that extraction
Never seen that happen either. People just summon another helicopter and move on.
>>331289512
The point is, you're using some arbitrary judgement system for a game without providing any context. Let's see the list of games that you think are so great then.inb4 best of v damage control
You also continuously use ad populum incorrectly.
>>331289589
>They did based on the claim that most people liked it.
They brought up the fact that most people liked it because OP wanted to know what the "verdict" of a large group of people was.and sorry for being rude, it's what 10 years of /v/ does to peopleget out while you still can
Who road to DZ level 0 here?
So much fun just playing DZ without worrying about levels. Yesterday, by myself, I terrorized 4 German guys. A perfectly timed grenade thrown in front of them as they ran, and a BFG and I got them all down.
Was fun, beat all the missions, did alot of the side missions, got lvl 30.
all 50 hours.
now I am done with the game because theres just not anything new to do,
>b-but my dark zone
it sucks.
Maybe some of the dlc will bring me back, but for now i am done with it.
8/10 its okay
>>331289789
Not when more than half the high end blueprints in the game require DZ level 50.
>>331289879
Ubi has mentioned new content next week. Mission on map shows an incursion already.
Check back soon anon
>>331289913
I can't be bothered grinding, not when the DLC is likely going to make it worthless.
>>331289512
You just keep spouting stupid shit. If a game is liked by a lot of people, then it is a success. Generally speaking, shitty games are not successful. You're arguement couldn't be more flawed. CoD may not be the most stimulating game ever but it is always well designed and has tight shooting mechanics and whether you will admit it or not, it is mindless fun as well as a huge success. Thus, a considerably better game than whatever indie bullshit you have been playing instead of giving The Division a chance.
>>331289706
>The point is, you're using some arbitrary judgement system for a game
And what judgement system is that exactly? All I did was point out that ad populum is a fallacy. I haven't used ad populum once incorrectly. By saying it makes the game good, you're using an actual flawed judgement system to defend it while only providing fallicious reasoning instead of actual reasons why it's good.
>Let's see the list of games that you think are so great then. inb4 best of v damage control
Again, why does that matter? Why do you feel the need to resort to personal attacks instead of attacking my argument?
>>331288219
>The game is already pretty cheap right now
>$100
>Cheap
Thats the only thing preventing me from buying this game.
>>331290047
Because your argument has been ripped to shreds by several people now, but you insist on persisting in your "argument"
Your position that you feel is so iron clad has already been argued. There's not much else to do but point out that you're retarded at this point.
>>331290039
>You just keep spouting stupid shit.
Pot meet kettle.
>If a game is liked by a lot of people, then it is a success.
I don't care. The arguemnt isn't about the game's sales success. The argument is about whether it's a good game or not.
>Generally speaking, shitty games are not successful.
You and I both know that's not true.
>You're arguement couldn't be more flawed.
I'm not the one implying sales=quality.
>it is always well designed and has tight shooting mechanics and whether you will admit it or not, it is mindless fun as well as a huge success
That's your shitty uninformed opinion. If you think CoD is one of the best shooters because of it's "success" then you're too stupid to reason with.
>Thus, a considerably better game than whatever indie bullshit you have been playing instead of giving The Division a chance.
I never mentioned anything about indie games. Stop projecting and desperately trying to defend your game.
>7 Days into playing the game
>Level 30
>Beat main story
>No more new side missions
>Hard/challenge modes all done
>Dark Zone farming only thing left
>Bored as fuck already
So...I just grind DZ now...?
Yeah...great game, glad I got this shit for free.
>>331290236
Using character attacks calling me stupid and claiming that popular games are good because they are popular is hardly ripping anything to shreds except maybe your own credibility.
Your position that you feel is so iron clad has already been debunked. But you insist on persisting in your shitposting so there's not much else to do but point out that you're projecting at this point.
>>331289147
>
the game had mixed review at launch due to server problems at release. Glad to see the review score is positive and blue now instead of red.
Game is fun with friends. I'd never play this game alone.
I like it just fine. I have 4 days in it as of a few hours ago. It's more fun if you have a crew to play with. Single player is a chore, though I got all of the collectibles on my own time. The only trophies I have left are for killing 20 rogues (they're rare to come by in my experience) and to beat a handful of missions I have left on hard.
>>331289589
>>Nobody claimed it was objectively good
>They did based on the claim that most people liked it.
Then they made a false claim, because there is no such thing as an objectively good game. Even if 7 billion people thought it was the best game ever, all it takes is one person saying "I don't like it" (and meaning it) to stop it from being objectively good. Since the claim is false, you don't need to argue around it by pointing out fallacies.
>>331290047
You probably learned about ad populum like a week ago and use it as much as possible now so you can look smart to people even more retarded than yourself on the internet. Your opinion does not matter in the grand scheme of things. If a majority of people think something is good, it is good. If a majority of people think something is bad, it is bad. A minority of people thinking the opposite do not decide the quality of something. If almost everyone thinks MJ is the best of all time but 20 people don't think so, that doesn't make it any less true. It just makes those 20 people autistic.
>>331290465
There is a fuck ton do to!
Like...ehh...grind DZ for gear so you can...do challenge modes even faster! YEAH! That's it, do that!
>>331289327
No, you just don't read.
Vatican has most of the hermetic teachings accepted, at least those that in their opinion don't speak against christianity, among those teachings are those of Hermes who about 400-200 B.C. during a meditation realized that the whole universe came from a single point which exploded into a million pieces which then formed together under the law of Logic and formed hot "round" lumps which rotated around themselves and cooled off gradually and after some time life appeared on them and we live on one of those objects.
The church never believed in the flat earth theory, most of the well read people never believed in the flat earth theory, there were maybe a few peasants who did although I don't think tat most peasants were at all concerned with anything besides their crops, alcohol and sex.
Anyone who died because he was waging a fight against the church, which knew the earth wasn't flat, which had libraries with books that stated the earth wasn't flat, in order to prove the earth wasn't flat is an idiot who wasted his life.
Anyone else see the rat man? It's just a dude standing around showing off his bundle of rats that he has by the tails. This is the best pic I could get of him.
>>331290718
I've seen a rat and a pigeon fightingI shot the rat
I haven't played in 2 days. I have literally nothing to do except grind for a possibly better weapon/gear, but we all know the drops are shit 99% of the time. I don't feel like wasting time hunting a slightly better weapon when I have a ton of games to play in my backlog.
Challenge modes are unfun, and the Dark Zone is nauseatingly repetitive, jumping between the same 5-6 landmarks the whole time. No one fights because the penalties are too severe. There's no loot worth stealing anyway.
this game sounds like everything wrong with the industry.
>>331290047
Ad populum only works with objective informatiom
A games quality is subjective
>>331281179
Did we ever get to meet the timers leader face to face?
Also how the story is presented is awful. Without using the wiki I did not know why the LMB were in New York and why they stayed there.
>>331290657
>Your opinion does not matter in the grand scheme of things
Neither does yours.
>If a majority of people think something is good, it is good. If a majority of people think something is bad, it is bad.
Nope. Argument ad populum.
>A minority of people thinking the opposite do not decide the quality of something.
A majority of people thinking the opposite does not decide the quality of something. Quality isn't determined by majority opinion, that's an indisputable fact. Just because 20 million flies loves shit doesn't make shit taste delicious.
You have no argument, just character attacks and lame attempts at appealing to the majority. Which makes you more retarded and autistic than anyone else.
>>331290416
I didn't say CoD was one of the best shooters of all time, in fact I said it was mindless. However, it is always well put together with good fps mechanics. Now as for The Division, the game has good (not stellar) tps mechanics, a great premise, a good story, great loot and an interesting setting. All of that and most people think it is a good game. How do you get to decide that it isn't?
>>331290950
Even if a game's quality was compeltely subjective (it isn't), that doesn't make ad populum a valid argument.
>>331290851
I've never had this experience. Every time I go into the dz there's usually a group of 2-4 people going rogue.
I do wonder how much platform and time of day affects it
>>331290465
If you thought this game had ANYTHING to do at max level, you are sadly mistaken, there is ZERO endgame, all you do is grind for gear that you don't need because there's nothing to do with it
But hey, at least you got it for free, I feel bad for all these idiots that dropped 60-100 bucks on it.
>>331291067
>a great premise
New Yorkers bring large amounts of cash to buy things on Black Friday?
Is this game out on PC? Where is the fugging crack, family?
>>331281179
It's shallow, but fun.
Movement and shooting mechanics are fun when there aren't any bugs or server problems.
>>331291108
Seriously just wait one month you impatient faggots.
>>331291009
Who are the timers? Not sure who you mean. Going to assume the rioters, because those are the only ones that you don't.
Also, go into your inventory, and look at evidence. Thats where a lot of extra story stuff is
>>331290614
>Since the claim is false, you don't need to argue around it by pointing out fallacies.
But why shouldn't I? The claim is false after all.
Also I disagree with you, objecitvely BAD games do exist. Not that I'm saying the Division is one of them, but still.
>>331291178
It's more of the fact they released a game that has no endgame content, kind of fucked up don't you think?
>>331290950
>subjective claims
>most people agree with them
>therefore it is true
That's ad populum in a nutshell.
>>331281179
Its very solid game, has good ideas, is centered around gameplay which I love, has tons of details, the world's all one block that you only load into once, missions are varied and fun to teamwork through, upgrading bases is always cool to see too.
Cons is the novelty seemed to wear off fast. I was very into it the first 20 hours but now I'm level 21 and don't really have a drive to play anymore. Although that could just be all games because I don't want to play anything else really either. I burned myself out on vidya these last couple weeks. I'd give it a solid 8.5 I am really curious about the underground expansion dlc
>>331291246
It's more like they underestimated the player base.
I have no idea why companies don't expect players to rush through games anymore
>>331290657
What kind of ass backwards metric is that?
Fuck off with this "the majority decides quality" bullshit. You're enforcing your own bullshit stupid popularity metric on other people, then looking down on them for not following your stupid rules.
Get over yourself.
Would you tell a foodie that a Mcdonalds big mac is just as good as a fine steak and wine?
Would you tell a film buff that your 6 second snapchat bullshit is just as good as Lawrence of Arabia?
Hobbyists/enthusiasts are not obligated to enjoy literally everything popular that comes out in the medium. In fact, anyone who does lacks any sort of discerning taste and should not be trusted to levy his opinion on ANY matter, much less his fucking hobby
>>331291147
>I have no arguement so I better try to make the game sound as dumbed down as humanly possible
>>331291398
That's literally the premise though. You can wax poetic about the gameplay all you want, but to try and upsell the story because "most people liked it!" is beyond pathetic.
>>331287623
Playing with a group.
The difference in lvls of players means pvp or co -op is either walk in the park or they look at you and you die
>>331291304
>Its very solid game, has good ideas
Only one of these is true.
>the world's all one block that you only load into once
Unless you fast travel or enter an instance, then be prepared to wait for loading times even if you have a fast SSD
>missions are varied
:|
>>331291095
I'm on PC so that's probably why. I noticed when I played the beta onxbonethat more people were just dickweeds and killed you no matter what. Then again, it was the beta, so who knows.
>>331291203
Rikers leader
Do we ever meet her?
>>331291398
>I have no arguement so I better try to make the game sound as great and interesting as humanly possible
>>331291556
Yeah. Larae barret or however it's spelled. She's one of the security missions I think. Rescue jtf hostages in it
>>331291640
Damn
I finished all theaters missions and never noticed I killed her already.
Even Joe Ferro had more talking
