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What are your thoughts on the attempt to make a 4D game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZp0ETdD37E
I personally like how he didn't take the cop out 4th dimension is time, and an indie dev that actaully understands something about designing games.
Looks neat.
I'll never understand 4D though.
>>330854862
Except he clearly states time is a dimension.
>>330854862
This is literally 100% just a 3D game.
>>330855292
Not for the purposes of the game.
>>330855432
Nah, it's a 2d game because your screen is flat. :^)
>>330855432
it's 3d if you have the brains of an insect
>>330855573
>obects change shape back and forth
>time isnt involved
>>330855432
I guess I can't blame you if your brain simply can't understand the concept of four spatial dimensions.
>>330855693
Um no anon. It's just a fourth dimension. There isn't time travel involved.
>>330855930
>if there is no time travel involved - time dimension isnt involved
This is what uneducated retards on /v/ actually believe.
>>330855292
He states time is the 5th dimension not 4th. Did you not listen?
>>330856242
>5th dimension not 4th
It's still a dimension.
>higher amounts of spatial dimensions are literally magic
i hate this meme
>>330854862
Interesting idea but the game doesnt look fun at all.
>take the cop out the fourth dimensions is time
>everything I learned about dimensions is cartoons and Portal
>>330854862
But wouldn't the result be exactly the same if it was simple 3d? I don't really understand what's the point of the game being 4d.
>>330856242
Time is not a spacial dimension so it only makes it more confusing if you number it like the others
>>330856532
>time
>not spacial
WEW
when the fuck is it out? I remember reading about it years ago
>>330856610
Guess it would blow your mind to if i said there were 20 spacial dimensions
>>330856745
Meant to type 10, muh bad
>>330856396
That would be typical examples that use cop outs. Or are you defending cartoons and portals use of dimensions?
not actually 4D
you can make 4D maps with the build engine there is an example in one of the duke 3d secret levels and also descent in the same way
>>330856610
of course not, it's a temporal one
>>330856610
time doesn't even exist, it's just a human abstraction to keep track of shifting energy
>>330856963
Those weren't 4D, just non-Euclidean.
Isn't it literally impossible to even comprehend the 4th dimension?
>>330856963
Like >>330860041 said, those are just non-euclidean spaces.
The best you can do with that is build a functional 3D projection of a 4D hypercube.
>Draw 3D, call it 4D.
Looks like a Trap Thread !
>>330863358
go shit up some other thread instead you degenerate
>>330863460
Don't you see a connection ?
i always found with every new explanation of the 4th dimension that its just fedora tipping faggots trying to explain something that not even they understand.
>>330854862
>just add some attention grabbing gimmick, we'll think about gameplay later
For fucks sake. They are doing this again.
Just make a 4th dimension discrete, so it only has few levels. Make most objects extent into 4th dimension properly, but decay visually or something, so you can recognize it. Some objects like doors may disappear in higher levels, but it will drain more of you powers for staying inside of it. Some levels or floor may exist only on some of the levels of 4th dimension. That's it. Something like gloom from the night watch books. It's already thought out and perfect for gameplay. Not just a mindless slider for another physicsless axis, that you will be bored to scroll through after 15 minutes.
Time is an illusion brought upon by the forced of gravity and speed, not a dimension.
If you disagree then please state the dimensions of time.
>>330854862
This is retarded.
>>330864962
Um, duration?
Hell, I'd say Portal already hit the 4D spectrum.
Hasn't this game been in production in years?w
>>330855279
Well, in the game you have basically three directions. Vertical, horizontal and forward/backward. When it switches to the other dimension, it simply replaces one of those directions with the W coordinate. So instead of moving horizontally in the X dimension and forward or backward in the Z dimension, you're moving horizontally on the W dimension but still forward and backward in the Z dimension.
Therefore since you can bypass obstacles through the W dimension but still move in Z, you can arrive in unreachable places when you switch back to normal space. The X dimension could be full of obstacles while the W is empty.
Do they use 5x5 matrices in homogenous space?
>>330854862
I think he got beat to the punch by about 5 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IUnqm8j4BE
>>330865514
In theory yes. Portal is like a Klein bottle. It's a single-surface construct in abstract space, where you can freely move across all of its surface. But it poses a problem in 3d space. The part where it intersects with itself cannot produce a single-surface object with no cuts. That's where it must visit the 4th dimension and come back. In Portal you can seamlessly walk from one point in 3d space to another. The portal is that shortcut through the 4th dimension.
>>330866616
No.
>>330866786
I know it's not that simple, but that's the theory of the klein bottle dimensional leap. Portals can be shortcuts through other dimensions, but it can be an oversimplification that it's just through the 4th. Afterall, when you walk into a portal, you are moving in all 3 of our dimensions, so it's safer to assume that you take a shortcut of at least 3 higher dimensions.
>>330863543
There's something wrong with the proportions
>>330856418
There wouldn't be a change, he is just calling a game mechanic a new dimension because retards will eat it up.
>>330868263
It is a dimension, it's just a very simple representation of one. In the game universe, Y is always up, Z is always forward and X is always right. Dimensional shifts in our universe wouldn't look like that because there is no "up", "forward" or "right".
>>330854862
Nothing impressive. OpenGL natively supports 4D vectors and vector math, they literally just had to make stuff using4D vectors and thats it.
>>330871846
>DUDE TRIVIALIZATION LMAO XD
