>"This really does feel like Fallout 4, if Fallout were to go back to its CRPG roots."-Total "I deserve to die of cancer" Biscuit
What's the dumbest review quote you think you've seen?
He's not entirely wrong.
But in Fallout you have only one character
>>330322309
More like the FALLOUT TACTICS 2 we never got, man the reviews these days....fuck em.
>like the stats, levels, inventory tetris, and other spreadsheeting qualities of crpg's
>bored to death with turn based/tile based/squad commanding combat
I don't even know what would satisfy me, maybe a twinstick shooter combat system instead?
VATS could still pause time and make combat psuedo turn based/time progresses as you act like in superhot?
could be cool
>>330322309
don't get too riled up edgelord, you'll wake your mommy up :^)
>>330322607
Then it wont be an RPG anymore
You want something like that play Alien Shooter 2, its pretty fun.
>>330322309
did you post again, son?
>>330322579
Is tactics good?
>>330322579
I can only assume that's what he meant.
>>330322673
aRPG's aren't RPG's?
If Alien Shooter were set in the world of fallout, had lots of customization and loot and statistics, and a deep lore/quest system like wasteland, I'd probably spend the rest of my life on that game.
>>330322730
Gameplay wise and story wise, not bad. But some faggot fans considered it non canon coz it was squad based.
The game engine however, total fuck up with lags and shit. You just have to get used to it and you'll ignore the bugs or at least work around it.
>>330322730
It's interesting. Has some really well designed encounters unlike Wasteland 2
Also tactics have a build in MP mode, i had alot of fun time doing melee and trap fights with my friends.
>>330322771
>aRPG's aren't RPG's?
correct
you wouldn't call Diablo or Titan Quest an RPG right?
>>330322874
not him but its still an RPG, difference is the way it was played was "action" based instead of turn based. Not pointing out right and wrongs, its just the way industry categorizes this without standards.
>>330322874
I would call an rpg an rpg, yes.
>>330322309
Outside of the obvious bit where you have more than one character to control in Wasteland 2, I'd agree. Fallout has gone so far away from its origins, under Bethesda, that Wasteland 2 really is a better Fallout game at this point.
>>330322730
the demo was amazing when it came out and it was fun as fuck
the campaign is good
but its not balanced and the multiplayer of the full game was a clusterfuck
>>330322389
he's very much wrong, wasteland is a terrible fucking game
Wasteland 2 was the Fallout: Tactics 2 that was never made.
Fallout: New Vegas was Fallout if it returned to its roots. Hell, they rummaged the story bible they had for the ORIGINAL Fallout3: Van Buren out of a box they had it stored in and used a lot of ideas for content which the original devs were planning on using.
>>330322951
IMHO, i think we need to stop comparing old fallout to new fallouts like how wasteland 1 to fallout 1.
Wasteland 2 is the top tier post-apoc squad turn based RPG game at the moment.
As for other indies, im not so sure. Most indie games get attention because they "claim" all kinds of stuff they can do better.
>>330322943
>>330322948
RPG's combat is a ''representation'' of whats happening using stats and turns
aRPG's combat is faster and cannot be translated to stats because your characters move and ''shoot'' incredibly fast
Good luck trying to justify your wizard doing flips around the level trying to hit a giant boss with fireballs.
>>330323070
>Wasteland 2 is the top tier post-apoc squad turn based RPG game at the moment.
Fully agreed.
As for what others can or can't do better? Shadowrun Returns was okay, but Dragonfall, especially its Director's Cut blew Returns out of the water. Pillars of Eternity was iffy to okay at launch, but post 3.0 Pillars is just plain damn amazing in my book.
Tides I haven't tried the early access on, but I'm hopeful. I have no reason to be hopeful, I'd just like it to be good ya know?
>>330323101
>Good luck trying to justify your wizard doing flips around the level trying to hit a giant boss with fireballs.
My justification is "fun."
You can try dictionary.com
>>330322309
He is right tho. Except from /v/ no one cares about fallout 1 and 2
>>330323101
dude, you got things way confusing.
If you want it, i'll give you my version.
Fallout is Isometric RPG.
Diablo is Isometric RPG.
Icewind Dale is Isometric RPG..
Baldur's Gate is Isometric RPG.
Fallout tactics is Isometric RPG.
and not to mention some of the games above allows real time turn based gameplay. Go type isometric rpg into google.
>>330323269
Thats why we dont call them RPG's but aRPG's.
RPG's are not for everyone.
>>330323321
>comparing Diablo to Fallout
>comparing Infinity engine games to Diablo
totally same fucking thing m8
>>330322964
Thank god they scrapped a lot of van buren though. That would have been the worst fallout game that could have ever been made: fucking space cannons and evil scientists.
>>330323326
a utility vehicle is a vehicle
>>330323326
Stop being a fedora neckbeard my old man.
the fucking "a" at the front is for categorizing the gameplay type, the rear RPG still remains role playing with multiple roles and rules.
Go lurk more about "rpg" and keep up with the times, if not might as well got LARPing in the woods.
>>330323447
Yes, but not every vehicle is a utility vehicle, right?
>>330323408
>engine means the gameplay
Might as well call all unreal engine games FPSes then ?
>>330323321
Elder Scrolls, Gothic, and The Witcher are action based RPGs. There is a huge difference between them and an ARPG.
>>330323508
>engine means the gameplay
Thats not what I said
>>330323070
>Wasteland 2 is the top tier post-apoc squad turn based RPG game at the moment.
What does that mean?
Are there any other post-apoc squad turn based RPGs?
>>330323818
>Are there any other post-apoc squad turn based RPGs?
you mean in general or recent?
>>330323539
>There is a huge difference between them and an ARPG.
This is as mindnumbing as the 'dragon vs wyvern' debate.
>>330323818
There's Underrail.
>>330323852
well it said at the moment,
though now that I think about it there's underrail and that other one that's actually squad based but manages to be an even worse piece of shit than Wasteland 2
>>330323539
>>330323486
if its not a vehicle , it wouldn't be called a "vehicle" and i right ?
Checkm8.
>>330324025
>if I move the goalpost then I ''win''!
https://arch.b4k.co/_/search/image/4-a7JC-Pl1fBeSZw9Gpdtg/
https://arch.b4k.co/_/search/image/4-a7JC-Pl1fBeSZw9Gpdtg/
Pasta thread don't bother responding.
>>330322579
More like the Fallout Tactics 0.1 we never got
Wasteland 2 has one of the worst combat systems we had in a while. And then we have to talk about the other aspects of WL2, none of which are any good.
>>330324025
ur mums a "vehicle" m8
>>330323818
>post-apoc squad turn based RPGs?
Does XCOM 2 count? Even barely?
"it's the Dark Souls of X"
>>330322309
>It's a good game, just not a good X game
>>330324752
I don't get the hatred for this type of critique. Take Fire Emblem Awakening for example.
Great game, fun story, memorable cast, cool mechanics- regardless of /v/'s shitposting it was a very well recieved and loved game for clear reasons. But, it's also clear why a lot of the series veterans didn't like it and why they found it difficult to compare it to some of the other games in the series.
FE:A is a great game, but it's not nescessarily a great FE game. The critique literally tells you exactly what they think of the game, and why they think that.
>>330324909
Some people just use it as a cop out to dismiss it as bad because it's still considered an X game.
>>330324909
FE A isn't a good game though
only fire emblem I've tried that I didn't finish.
>>330324651
>it's the Dark Souls of RPGs
>>330324651
"X is kind of like Dark Souls meets Y"
