HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESSwarhammer 40k thread
HERE COMES THE EMPERORS LAP DOGS
>>324184749
DOW3 never.
>>324185691
YOU GOTTA BELIEVE
>>324184749
All we have left to look forward to is the spaceship game, eternal crusade, and shitty mobile games
>>324185691
Heresy, chaos scum
>>324185691
I liked the loot and upgrade system for squad leaders from DoW2 but I hated the removal of base building, and the offensively tiny number of units we got to use at once. I'm not sure I want a DoW3 considering how big a step back it was in everything except storytelling, which is always a secondary concern in Warhammer 40k.
>>324184749
DoW memers sicken me
>>324186837
Horus Heresy books seem fine, but I just don't want to start them because of the setting.
That whole part should have been remained mystery, as something no one would like to talk about or simply couldn't because barely anyone knows anything about the details.
>>324187568
Try reading any in the top level or try Horus Rising. I find the setting to be more fulfilling than vanilla 40k
Guys how do I become an OP as shit Psyker?
The EMPRAH's a pretty cool dude, being Alpha Level ans shit.
But how do I go further beyond?
Also, I love the Grey Knights - fucking come at me.
>>324186837
I enjoyed Descent of Angels, probably because it had an interesting medieval-ish setting for most of the book. Know No Fear is definitely God tier though.
I want to get into 40k but there's so much fucking lore and so many different groups, (isn't there at least 50 factions of Space Marines alone?), it looks daunting as fuck to get into this whole thing.
>>324186837
>Nemesis
>Not God Emperor tier
Most of the rest of the list is correct.
Dark Angels need their own tier beneath the rest because of how bad it is. Literally the only HH books I just threw away after being done with them because I knew I would never read them again.
Am I the only one who likes DoW2 a lot?
mainly because it did away with the god awful pathfinding of the first game and it had proper fun campaigns again. Also the way you upgraded commanders was really fun. It would be nice if they kept all the new mechanics such as cover, destroyable walls, etc. but raise the number of troops in battle again. I can see them sticking with the numbers they had for SMs and CSMs and raising the number of troops for all other factions
DoW2 expansion was good, it made your characters way too OP.
I've always wanted to get into 40k but there is so much fucking lore, it looks too daunting to start.
>>324185849
hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
>>324185691
>>324185849
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>>324186868
It's likely to be announced at E3.
>>324184749
I wish I could be a siege dreadnought.
That close combat powerdrill designed to open up buildings, tanks and whatever the fuck else. Wrist mounted heavy flamer on my CCW.
Right arm replaced with a flamestorm cannon or a multimelta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6g6QdTeJFs
Chaos dreadnought. Wrist mounted melta (treated like a shotgun in the spehss marheen game), dreadnought class lightning claw, twin linked autocannon. Sometimes they have hull mounted storm bolters, (smoke) grenade launchers and vox speakers.
>>324188230
>>324188089
Play Dawn of War, lurk 40k threads, read up on some of the lore like space marine chapters, the emperor, the warp, basically whatever
Continue playing DoW and look at other material like books
It's really not complicated to get into. I was like that myself at first but once you start getting into it there's really no brakes on the train.
>>324188089
Pffft. Read up on the original chapters. All these newer-ish ones of like the.. third founding? Are all off shoots of the fucking Ultramarines, the mary sue's of the Spec Marhens.
Read Guants Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn, Ravenor. For like a general setting and the fact they're a pretty good read. From there you can read those god awful Space Marine novels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgBv6Rxilo
>that mournful music where you feel the weight of the Heresy upon your shoulders
>That narration from a Space Marine who has clearly been in the shit
>"I was there...."
>Those images of the maelstrom of battle swirling by as Space Marine battles Space MarineIT'S A FUCKING CARD GAME
>>324184749
Anyone else here heard of or seen anything about Eternal Crusade? I've been playing it and thus far its fun as hell.
>even 40k isn't safe from their lies and bullshit anymore;_;
>mfw the shitstorm steam users will cause once Eternal Crusade goes Early Access, destroying the game and BHVR completely
>>324188901
The best weapon against feminists and their pet cucks is just ignoring them.
>>324186837
>no Inquisitor war trilogy
into the trash
>>324188901
Did you not see how they got smacked the fuck down by the Emprah's own daughters?
https://twitter.com/TheMarySue/status/688005337266294784
>>324188089
>>324188652
>>324188230
Or just ever ytime you get food and feel like laughing, or reading. Just read a page out of 1d4chan.
That's what I do and I always have a blast.
>>324189004
Eternal Crusade is basically Space Marine MP. Which is good, not great, but good. If they add vehicles and cool new weapons, I'll be sold. I played my mates account who dropped like $50 on it.
YOU HAVE CAPTAIN DIOMEDES
>>324188901
The fucking cunt should read up on something called 'THE SISTERS OF MOTHERUFCKING BATTLE'. Plus there are Imperial Gaurdswomen.
I swear it's like these cunts never looked deeper into the series they try to sodomize.
>>324188901
Games Workshop doesn't even listen to its own fans much less some retarded liberals that aren't even their target market. If there's one thing GW can be commended for is not caving to pressure.
>>324189134
Game's too unfinished now to be released as Early Access.
Hell, the game still doesn't have keyboard configuration yet.
>>324189028
I didn't, heh. That's good.
>>324184749
You know what also grows from idleness, technology. For example power armor suits and guns.
>>324189161
BRUVA I AM HIT
>>324188107
Nemesis is good, but it's not exemplary. The cringe worthy culexus for instance.
>>324189169
Wow, its like these people don't even play these games or care about it.
It's almost like they just look for trouble to get clicks.
>>324189303
Also strength.Getting strong is 10% effort 90% rest and recovery.
>>324189028
>i've been forcing this guys art on 4chan
>I hope he does more for his fans
>>324188089
there were 20 original legions with 20 primarchs.
Two primarchs and their legions we know absolutely nothing about.
18 legions, 18 primarchs, 9 loyalist, 9 traitor.
All other chapters come from these legions (Primarchs were made in the image of the emperor and space marines were made in the image of their primarchs via gene-seed).
Power in the imperium very much comes from just how useful you are to the emperor. It is a top down system (power comes from the emperor) rather than a bottom up system (like a meritocracy where power comes from the people who voted you in etc).
Reading some of the codices is a great way to start learning about the factions. As can simply reading some of the novels. Anything by aaron dembski-bowden or dan abnett is amazing, avoid anything written by c.s. goto.
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>>324189161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg
BROTHER I AM HIT.
NO
>>324189439
Also, productivity and good decision skills. People are more productive in bursts and make better decisions when they have a chance to relax and let their mind clear.
Anyone else here watch the TTS series?
>>324189161
No, but I do have Prince Albert in a can.
>>324188901
40K will never get cucked the way Star Wars has. GW fears losing their fanbase even more than they already have a lot more than pleasing screeching SJWs.
>>324189169
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>>324189249
>>324189028
The problem with this response, is it's missing the point of the article. The article was bullshit, but they're wrong. The article was "Why isn't there more female models?". Essentially the guy was going
>Why should a publically owned company try and make as much money as possible? They should pander to minorities!
>They should make expensive new models for the small amount of people who want them!
>It's not like they've been in the business for 40 odd years and are likely to know more than me (at least now Kirby as gone)
>It's not like those who WANT female models can't buy models...Oh wait, they can. At least half a dozen companies provide proxy SoB and Imperial Guard (women). Oh and it's not like an ENTIRE COMPANY is designed about providing female minis.
What genera would be best for a 40k game
Honestly, there's so much shit in the 40k universe it's hard to work with, remember the fire warrior ps2 game?
>>324189582
Fuck that, where's my Behemoth Part 2?
>>324189770
RTS.
A Imperial Guard FPS would be golden though.
JUST NO MORE FUCKING SPACE MARINE GAMES.
>>324188901
>hurr why are women not mass recruited into combat in a military that needs to throw trillions of soldiers into the grave every year
gee i wonder where all those human beings come from
>>324189770
Grand Strategy.
>>324189503
don't forget that the emperor is a psychic demigod that has been sitting on the complete brink of death on his golden toilet for the last ten thousand years
>>324189392
>The cringe worthy culexus for instance.
Callidus pretty much made the story. Vindicare and the Venom chick were just typecast characters.
Eversor, well...lol I think we all knew the outcome there before it even happened.
Where my orkz at?
>>324189028
>>324189453
>ywn a qt3.14 SoBHold me /v/
>>324189770
Star Wars Rogue Squadron style flight sim
>>324189770
racing game
>>324190238
Those are the Emperor's daughters man
>>324190379
Poor Guardsmen don't stand a chance. To even look would be their death.
>playing Winter Assault campaign on insane difficulty
>whats the worst that can hap-
>4 guard squads can barely kill a single ork squad
>that ork wave mission
>a fucking squiggoth on the final wave
emperor save me
>>324190379
Sexy daughters
Is Spacehulk for Vita any good?
also who /Boltthrower/ here
>>324186837
What was wrong with The Outcast Dead? Its been years since I read it but I thought it was perfectly fine at the time. Plus it has the Thunder Warriors in it.
dawn of war 3 with chapters/regiments/ork clans/craftworlds/necron dynasties/etc when
>>324190524
S-S-Standing by...
>>324189770
I bring it up pretty much every thread, but i'll post it again because why not. My ideal 40k game:
>Empire at War galaxy map, with better management options/more building
>Homeworld space battles
>World in Conflict ground battles, though a little slower paced/harder to kill units and more fortification/base defence
Are Catachans the best operators in the Imperium?
>>324190954
>Yakuza style game where you play as an Ork Nob
>>324190238
>>324190491
>>324190524
>>324190797
Look into my eyes, anons. I'll protect you from the horrors of the galaxy :3
>>324190797
[BLAM]
>>324189770
There's honestly a ton of genres that you could make a WH40k out of
pointless though because at the end of the day whatever game comes out is just going to have to be SPEHHS MAHREENS because it's what sells
>>324191081
Youz smart,
youz loyale,
yer grapeful,
iz appreciate dat.
>>324190650
Spacehulk is terrible. There's no AI for the genestealers so the only danger you face is the RNG.
>>324190963
>Catachans
Anyone from Valhalla has them beat
>>324184749
Wish they made another DoW1. Never played played DoW2 but I heard it detracts pretty far from the first one in terms of characters.
Has there been a Warhammer game that plays like XCOM yet?
Why not a general Warhammer thread for all the rat bastards?
>>324191236
Well fuck
>>324190735
It basically made the point of saying that people on Terra knew of Horus' treachery before Garro's flight from Isstvaan V. It also did nothing spectacular for the overall plot.
>>324191292
>it detracts pretty far from the first one in terms of characters.
Not really, it has returning characters from the first game. Particularly Gabriel Angelos, Thule and Eliphas. Kronus campaign and Kaurava are mentioned fairly often
It has different mechanics, but it's still a great game. Autists just get mad over it because instead of managing xbox hueg armies you now only use small squads and don't get access to a lot of shit like land raiders.
The campaign for DoW2 is still fantastic though
DoW3 when?
>>324191236
>There's no AI for the genestealers
Is the Vita version of the game fucked? The pc version is pretty good and space hulk ascension is a pretty good spin on the game
>>324191513
IT BEGINS!
>>324189770
Turn based tactics can work quite well.
Imagine a final fantasy tactics (or fire emblem or tactics ogre) type game.
Base units that you can recruit are Guardsmen, Adepts, Space marine scout, Sororita and Psykana.
Guardsmen may advance into arbites, squad commanders or w/e, maybe even into assassins.
Adepts can maybe advance into mechanicum adepts and the like.
Space marines scouts advance into marines (tactical, assault, devastator) and then into more specific jobs (librarian, chaplain, champion, apothecary etc). They may eventually be able to turn into dreadnoughts.
Sororita are kind of like guardsmen, but better, and eventually get some miracle bullshit.
Psykana are verymuch the WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM type.
For non-mechanicum/ecclesiarchy mortals, they can via fulfilling special requirements advance to the ranks of inquisitor.
WE'RE RAIDING THIS THREAD FOR COMMORRAGH!
>>324191513
>>324189770
Star wars Battlefront 2(TWO) type TPS with a balanced focus of ground and space battles
>>324188901
I just read the article, and his only reason for 40k being sexist is that Sisters get barely any releases.
Obviously this is because GW is sexist pigs, not because just about nobody plays or buys Sisters of Battle and it would be a money pit to update them.
>>324191581
THIS THREAD IS OURS, WITCH
>>324191583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLscLwx0rM&index=30&list=PL6PNZBb6b9Ltgl6WM5rn2pjrXd_qdit2S
>>324191513
Accurate
>>324191081
>>324190524
>>324190379
Isn't referring to them as "the emperor's daughters" a huge insult to them?
>>324191513
This is accurate
>>324191547
>The pc version is pretty good
No genestealer AI isnt' good. They took the board game rules for single player and put used it in their game because they were lazy fucks. Shortest path to closest marine is stupid and makes the game too easy because you can easily set up kill zones that the genestealers have almost no chance of getting through unless there's a gun jam, so you keep an action point free for the auto-unjam.
>>324191702
Fucking no? They refer to him as their Father and Guardian
>>324190171
>Why do we hang around with the eversor?
>Because if we run, he'll chase us, kill us and then explode. If we try to kill him, he'll explode.
Even the Culexis is less uncomfortable to be around, provided that the culexis is locked in their metal box. Unless the Eversor isn't thawed out.
>>324191673
YOU CANNOT STOP US! YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED!
>>324191702
You're the one who wrote that article aren't you.
Fuck off.
>>324191702
No i think Brides of the Emperor is the insulting name to them, or something like that.
>>324191581
That pic to too cute looking for deldar. Dark Eldar are supposed to look like strewn out junkies, not 15 year old girls.
>>324191809
you are already purged
>>324191702
No, cause they were originally called "Daughters of the Emperor" before they renamed themselves.
>>324191758
my bad anon, I my memory is sketchy. Weren't they called them when they were basically sex bodyguards?
>>324191809
>>324191581
ELDAR AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THIS CUTE!
>>324191581
>soon to be the rulers of the Imperium
It's a good thing the plotline won't advance, because the idiocy of this setup hurts my fucking brain.
She's so kawaii tho~
>>324191753
I see
For me the campaign was ok. I mostly play withmy gfsince I left my 3rd edition far away in my home. Still, ascension is pretty fun
>>324192159
>>324191753
It sounds like it would be worth it if I was on sale desu
>>324191581
>>324191673
>>324191809
>>324191908
...
>>324189770
Space Hulk (DOS) was fucking amazing and scary.
but if it was up to me:
>Warhammer: Dogs of War
>Open World Co-Op game with Fallout 4 elements
>8-Players
>Host Player is always Captain version of a class who is the only one that can access missions and manage everything else in the settlement/HQ
>Player characters are mercenaries
>early missions is just going out and destroying orc strongholds and rescuing prisoners
>prisoners get sent to your barracks and repurposed
>repurposed units get training to be supports; aerial support, extra units, etc and if they survive after the fight is over they go back to your barracks
>barracks is basically your settlement where you can heal up and prep before requesting more missions from various factions
you guys get the gist right?
>>324192414
GREETINGS NECRON ALLIES, GOOD OF YOU TO FIGHT AT OUR SIDE ONCE AGAIN!
>You are given one gift by the Emperor of your choosing.
What is it?
>>324186837
Can I use these numbers as a guide on the order of the books
>>324192130
Dark Eldar won't do shit. They're currently fighting each other in a massive war in the city.
Vect thinks Lady Malys is trying to take his power.
Lady Malys thinks Vect is trying to open the portal to drown Commorragh in daemons + warp
But he isn't. He's trying to PREVENT that from happening. But Malys is misunderstanding the situation.
The only interaction DE and Imperium have had of any note was AdMech trading with them when they realised the Golden Throne was breaking.
>>324191970
That's his lot. He only has done those two pics, a few SoB and one SoS.
>>324189748
Lets be honest, they're not asking for female models, they're demanding female hero characters. Partly because they don't know the Sisters of Battle are a thing and also because they want generic tough bad bitch butch lesbo looking characters.
There's this weird as fuck mental gymnastics shit going on where women are just as capable as men on the battlefield, but they are just so gosh darn awesome that they can under no realistic reasons in their minds be susceptible to all the horrid shit that makes war stories so interesting in the first place.
No PTSD, no severed limbs, no bullet trauma, none of that shit, that's far beneath the amazing female heroes!
I think they ignore characters like Kat from Halo Reach and Lt. Mira from an actual fucking 40k game because they were treated as people trapped in a war instead of an overwhelming force that exists to empower people through war.
>>324192529
To be better than him in every single way.
>>324185691
Show me your Dawn of War III wishlist, no matter how worried you are that Relic or Games Workshop will fuck it up.
>More factions right from the start. Don't save enormous forces like the Imperial Guard for expansions again.
>Subfactions. Differentiate Chaos armies and units depending on which deity they worship. Instead of just having Cadians we could see Death Korps with near fearless infantry and shit tons of artillery.
>Base building. Also let the IG build defensive trenches.
>Larger maps. Not necessarily Supreme Commander size, but big enough for some large scale vehicle and infantry combat.
>No unit cap, or at least one that won't get reached very early in a game. I want to see some outrageously massive Ork WAUUUGH charges.
>>324192616
Meanwhile the Eldar are about to revive the literal grim reaper to try and fuck Slaneesh
kek good luck with that
>>324192498
Got retconned, just like Khornate Knights.
That even never happened. It's been replaced by Shield of Baal campaign. Dante joined forces with the Necrons, but didn't trust them and planned to backstab them when the Nids had been dealt with. In the end, Dante and his forces escaped and like 70% of the fleet was destroyed. Not enough though.
>>324192405
It's a perfect recreation of the board game using the single player rules. So if simple AI pathing isn't an issue, then yeah, it's good. I get the feeling the devs are 40k players or at least know the setting well.
>>324192529
Sister of Battle girlfriend.
>>324192624
Did you read the article? He literally went "They're all female, but they've not been updated since 2004 and are stupidly expensive, that's why it's sexist!" or something daft.
He doesn't get 40k is a horrible setting meant to be disgusting, sexist, inhumane and so on. But if you can hold a gun, you can stand in the front lines and have your 15 hours.
>>324192489
Sounds bretty gud
why 40k always looks so epic?
>>324192624
>they're demanding female hero characters
Last Chancers had two female models in the squad. It really is bitching for the sake of bitching.
>>324190963
I'm a sucker for Tanith Ghosts.
>>324192721
They should honestly keep the squad management from 2 for SMs and CSMs
It's fucking retarded to see hundreds of SMs running around in a battlefield unless you're using the black templars
>>324192721
I'm convinced Relic aren't even caable of making this game at this point.
DoW2 and CoH2 were such ridiculous letdowns.
>>324189770
Jrpg
>>324192724
Morag-hei or whatever the name is won't happen until all Eldar are dead. The whole point is "If we die, then our God of Death will rise and kick the shit out of Slaanesh and get out Souls back so we can be free"
>>324192721
>>Larger maps. Not necessarily Supreme Commander size, but big enough for some large scale vehicle and infantry combat.
>>No unit cap, or at least one that won't get reached very early in a game. I want to see some outrageously massive Ork WAUUUGH charges.
No thanks
>>324187568
You should try reading the forge world horus heresy lore. Its done from the perspective of a high level Imperial researcher compiling a report for the High Lords of Terra on the Horus Heresy. Its fucking fantastic and theres a lot of ambiguity in some areas.
The alpha legion lore was the best way anyone could cover them.
>This is a lie
>>324192721
>more factions at the start
>subfactions
anon you do realize that games are expensive and hard to develop right
also
>space marine bikes
>related: tanks move with speed and grace instead of moving like a car being parked by a blind asian grandma
>>324192651
You are impaled upon the wall and left to rot, heretic.
>>324192793
The entire room gives you quizzical look, but you are escorted to the selection room.
>>324192529
My very own servo skull.
>>324192903
Because it's a combination of lots of settings and doesn't give a shit about logic or realism.
>>324188901
stop this sjw meme. pls. stop. it.
>>324193000
>DoW2
>letdown
butthurt autist detected because "not muh DoW without retarded meaningless basebuilding"
While some of the factions like IG, Orks and Tyranids could actually use a boost in squad sizes and number of squads you can use in battle, the mechanics in DoW2 are far superior to those in the first game by far. Not to mention the campaigns are also much better than the pseudo campaigns from DC and SS
>>324192947
>one squad of 3 space marines is equal to 3 squads of 10 guardsmen
>bolters make IG-tier enemies explode in showers of gore like they're supposed to
fund it
>>324189582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG7VvMGw6w0
>19:49
>>324193148
>meme
>>324193000
DoW2 was more realistic than DoW1. Space Marines don't build bases.
As for CoH2, it's good now.
But, you're forgetting ONE thing. Relic produced those on a budget. They're now OWNED by SEGA, who don't mind giving out the cash (but do demand that cash back with DLC).
So, I think you have too little faith.
Real talk, why do people not organize online battles in here, we could all be just having some fun multiplayer matches, cmon yall.Not me though, 1AM and we have guests who won't leave ever, emperor fucking protect.
>>324193236
This is bait
>>324193236
>>324193256
I fucking love Alfabusa and his Emps vids, production quality is top notch.
>>324192529
A harem of loyal sisters of battle obviusly
>>324189770
Open world rpg rogue trader game
>implying you dont want to be a pimping space conquistador with his own harem of eldar sex slaves
>implying you dont want to explore the lost edges of the galaxy for plunder, profit and the glory of the God Emperor
"Following our victories in the Morbid Rift campaign my regiment was rewarded with service in the indentured forces of a Rogue Trader house. For over a decade, subjective, we cut a swathe through reaches of the void no man had ever visited.
I felt the heat of alien stars and trod ground no human had ever marked with its passing. I saw the ruins of ancient races that had fallen before we'd even formed our first words and I heard the whispers of dead gods on the stellar winds.
But most of all, we conquered. We took it all, in the name of the God Emperor of Mankind."- Colonel Ghib, 188th Cadian
>>324184749
When are they going to make another Space Hulk like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwOBxoaiJfU
>>324193407
How is it bait? Name me a single thing DoW1 did better than DoW2 except accurately representing numbers for SOME of the factions
If you think in any way having base building was a plus, you're fucking retarded. It had absolutely no purpose in game other than fucking with the pathfinding even further. It was such a non element it might as well have not been there.
DoW3 should really be a combination of DoW1&2. Keep the new mechanics from DoW2 like cover, destructible environments, using buildings for sniping/improvised bunkers, small squads for SMs and absolutely no base building for them but incorporate large numbers of troops for IG, Orks, and Tyranids, keep some of the buildings depending on the faction but also keep the hero system from DoW2 that allows you to upgrade your commander units
I love the first DoW but it has some of the worst fucking mechanics I've ever seen in an RTS
>>324193289
>Space Marines don't build bases.
Depends on the chapter and the reason that they were made.
Fleet based chapters don't build bases. Some chapters are literally made just so they can staff a fortress monastery in some bumfuck place.
>>324193407
No it fucking isn't. I'm not that guy, but see >>324193289
Show me one piece of fluff where Space Marines build bases and train dudes in them. Or build factories on the floor to shoot out tanks?
Orks and IG are literally the only people who might build bases. Space Marines are strike forces. Eldar uses Webways. Dark Eldar use Webways. Necrons use Webways (or have a Tomb World already). Tau use Manta's and other shit to land troops down. Nids don't build bases.
Get it? Get why DoW2 is more like the setting?
If you don't like it, fine, that's perfectly fine, but DoW2 had better cover system, better graphics, better sound. The RPG and loot system was fun.
Instead of having to build bases to actually get fighting (and deal with the retarded AI) you could jump down and get into combat straight away.
It isn't PERFECT, but it's more like the fluff.
DoW3 needs to be a combination. It needs minor base building, but it needs to be better implemented.
>>324192529
>What is it?
The Emprah's gift is the survival of mankind. Our gift to him is martyrdom in his glorious name!
>>324193118
Granted whole-heartedly, you are escorted to the chamber to prep transplant.
>>324193768
An agitation fills the hall, but you are escorted to the next room to pick your harem.
>>324193236
thing is that DoW 2 feels like a step down from CoH 1 and DoW 1 together
>less resources than CoH
>no sectors
>less realistic and more cramped map layouts than CoH
>less tacticool abilities like blowing up bridges, more wc3-type stuff than CoH
>no weapon drop mechanic
>worse attention to detail
>smaller scale than dow despite having the tyranids
>no global upgrades
>no persistent corpses
>no vehicle malfunctions
>no negative cover
>>324192582
Yes. There are also book listings in each book itself. Those numbers don't include the anthologies.
>>324193826
None build bases to produce units in to fight on THAT planet. At best they build defences and then leave. No chapter (unless it's ur speshul snowflake made up one) stays on the planet. They build a base, give it to the IDF, then leave. Imperial Fists and Black Templars build bases for IDF and for new recruits to try to become Space Marines. But DoW treated Space Marines like easy things to produce.
IG don't build factories on the planet to produce tanks to kill the enemies on the planet.
Hey there
>>324193872
>Show me one piece of fluff where Space Marines build bases and train dudes in them.
Iron warriors. Imperial fists.
Marines-errant.
Some chapters are made *JUST* to staff a fortress monastery in some bumfuck location to protect against pirates, or elfdar, or chaos or the like. They do have strike force capabilities, but it's not like they're massive fleet based chapters that fly around and fuck things up as a tactical response team.
>>324192884
the thing is, does Warhammer classic have aerial units? or is it all ground units?
Hey anon, wanna say some prays with me?
>>324193952
But riddle me this, zealot, would your death not signify the end of a portion of mankind and thus, the downfall of mankind if all were to follow as you do?
>>324192489
>Space Hulk (DOS) was fucking amazing and scary.
>playing for the first time
>havin a giggle at the commander mouths while he explains the mission
>jump into the game
>laugh more with the devs making the voices of the terminators
>walking down the hall
>suddenly a big scream and one of the cameras goes down
>2 more get killed
>mfw I turn arround and I see 4 genies in my face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAMv5gN7u94
The game is bloody good, I love the spritework
>>324193815
DoW 2 has bases as well, except this time you can't do anything with them and they just sit on the absolute edge of the map neatly ordered up to spam retreat to
>>324194227
hell yes
>>324194179
No. Give me fluff where people build a base on a planet under attack. Then produce Space Marines RIGHT THERE to FIGHT the ENEMY on the PLANET already.
Because that doesn't fucking happen. Imperial Fists build bases, correct, but they LEAVE. They build multiple bases for recruits, they don't build a base on a planet under attack to produce guys.
>>324185691
The man who has nothing, still can have faith.
>>324192793
I rather take a krieger girlfriend
>>324188463
yeah i bet
>>324194090
Well sure, DoW2 could take a lot from CoH to be really great but it's also mechanically a step up from DoW 1. For one maps need to stop being literal alleys and go back to the larger maps of DoW1, we agree on that. More tactical moves like blowing up walls to flank enemies, creating artificial barriers through terrain, blowing up bridges and such. They were present in Retribution, just need to allow them in skirmishes. Also adjust unit size according to faction. Have Nids and Orks have massive numbers, but factions like SMs have much smaller numbers while being tougher. No retarded shit like techmarines building bases to pump out predators and land raiders
>>324194098
>None build bases to produce units in to fight on THAT planet. At best they build defences and then leave.
That is patently untrue. Space marines are garrisoned all over the goddamn place to do shit like protect from orks / pirates / chaos / eldar / etc. Fuck what do you even think the cadian gate is?
You literally do not know your fluff.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fortress-monastery
>>324194310
>bases
You mean teleporters and beacons scattered around the map so you can call in reinforcements from orbit
Or unless you mean those "bases" that belong to enemies and you just blow up
>>324193815
>How is it bait?
Literally everything
>Better balance
>Getter gameplay
>Better mechanics
>More options
>More modes
>Better maps
>Better races
>More depth
>More complexity
>More variety
Literally the ONLY thing DoW2 was better with was the graphics.
>>324194368
>Hell
Oh, anon... I'll have to punish you for mentioning something that doesn't exist!
I feel like I'm the only person on /v/ that enjoyed DoW2 multiplayer
Mekboy, Commissar Lord and Lictor Alpha were my favourite commanders
>>324194795
>better balance
>better gameplay
>better mechanics
This is all bait, enjoy your retardation
>>324194650
Re-read what I said before replying to me.
They build DEFENCES not BASES to PRODUCE SPACE MARINES.
Fuck sake.
>>324194795
And cover system. And sound. And loot collection was better.
>>324193815
This is what retarded casuals actually believe.
>>324194854
i fucking knew that would be the response
seriously though this guy draws the cutest sisters of battle
The best way to handle unit production for a hypothetical DoW III would be to make it faction specific.
Space Marines drop units straight into combat, no base building whatsoever.
Eldar build webway gates that they reinforce from, no basebuilding beyond the gates. Gates can also be used to transport units between them.
The first units of the orks arrive on roks, and the next thing you must do is build a tellyporta platform so you can teleport in more orks. Limited basebuilding after that, mostly fortifications.
Imperial Guard functions the closest to the gameplay of the original DoW, with buildings like barracks and tank depots, but even then most units are not actually produced in these facilities but are flown in off-site in Valkyries.
Chaos uses warp fuckery to summon units anywhere, functionally the same as the drop pods of the space marines.
>>324194379
>I am mad because a game uses some abstractions at times for sake of balance.
There's a reason your resource was called requisition. There's a reason that all of your buildings were orbital drops. The place where they 'build tanks' is a fucking landing pad idiot.
And yes, space marines BUILD STRUCTURES AND FORTIFICATIONS ALL THE DAMN TIME, that is *literally* what the iron warriors and imperial fists did in the great crusade you fucknugget.
>>324194868
that looks like Cthlulu fused a zerg with a zenomorph in his image.
>>324194246
For each Guardsman that falls, ten more shall take his place. Thus mankind shall be eternally triumphant!
>>324194379
Not him
Nigga, the fuck are you bitching about a game mechanic breaking lore when the game mechanic is true for some, but ends up being good for the gameplay?
I ain't advocating lore rape, but if some minor fucking thing needs to be canned for the sake of balance and equal playing field, I say go. Game devs have better shit to do than to make everyone fucking different and balancing that shit for everyone,they have a game to make.
Grow the fuck up, base building is fucking great.
>>324194795
Weirdly enough, I prefered the older 2004 stuff than the current shit. Plus, somehow shit lags me up.
>>324194941
Here's your (you)
Is there any DoW 1 mods where they remove the squads and replace them with single infantry units ala Command and Conquer? I would imagine it be much easier to move large groups of infantry without as much pathing issues.
>>324193289
>As for CoH2, it's good now.
It's still P2W though, it will never be good.
>>324186837
is there anything vital in the alleged shitty books or could they just be disregarded? Would very basic knowledge of imperium lore be enough to enjoy them or should I pore over the lexicanium beforehand?
>>324195018
Ten more shall take his place, hmm?
And if that keeps happening, how long until you run out of men? A decade? A hundred? It is a fools game to counter so much. Learn your place, retch.
>>324194941
This is bait
>>324191879
fuck you its cute
>>324194732
it's a big house that builds guys just like in DoW 1
functionally they're similar to the fountain area in dota, and sort of dominate the map in that way, which doesn't happen in normal rts games like age of empires
and I don't like it
>>324194991
He does. But he's hardly done any. I'm tempted to contact him to do a lewd SoB picture, since his DA has a couple of nude pictures (not of SoB, just random characters).
You know, just a naked SoB showering or something.
>>324195038
Because DoW2 wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. It was different, that is all. The Elite Mod for DoW2 is great.
>>324194868
Playing the commisar lord was fucking dope.
>grab three guard squads and rush a chimera
>that global ability that made your squads do more damage the more men they lost
It was the perfect storm, man. The tier 3 powerfist was fucking dope, too.
>>324194868
That's because /v/ is full of retards who think spamming hundreds of space marines makes for an accurate or even fun WH40k game
>>324194650
Way to miss the point. When SM chapters go on a campaign they don't just suddenly go and setup bases to mass produce vehicles and SMs there. Either they already had an established base of operations there, or they bring a fleet which basically works like a mobile space-based headquarters. SMs don't just make barracks and pump out reinforcements as they see fit, neither do they mass predators and land raiders at the enemy
Same goes for the IG, unless you're on a planet with like fucking factories or something you're not going to see them pump out tanks like it's nothing
Base building in WH40k is literally non-existent and retarded. At most, maps should have pre-built bases or they should allow you to build up defenses. Nothing more because it makes no fucking sense and it fucks with the gameplay when you're able to continuously spam squads of SMs as if they were disposable fodder
>>324191081
my little servant of the emperor cant be this cute
>>324194868
>Those commander choices
A man after my heart
>>324194227
Y-y-yes, m'lady. The Emp-peror protects...
>>324194379
>Give me fluff where people build a base on a planet under attack.
Night lords 2nd novel. Where night lords alongside red corsairs attack the fortress monastery of the marines errant. They cripple the generators, and eventually raid the gene-seed vaults (allowing the red corsairs to make more marines out of the gene seed).
Marines errant were founded specifically to deal with pirates in the region (this was because of a request by no less than two rogue trader dynasties to the highlords of terra). They also had a manufactorum in their fortress monastery and their fortress monastery was noted for its anti-air defenses.
So hurr durr you don't know your fucking fluff.
>>324195178
Faith does not tire, death is not the end of duty! Those fallen for the salvation of mankind already outnumber the stars yet the Imperium endures eternally!
>>324195178
>thinking humanity will ever run out of manpower
You really dont know 40k do you? The Imperiums greatest strength is its ability to pour trillions of bodies at a conflict until it goes away.
>>324195308
>showering SoB
dont put that temptation on me...
>>324195412
Real games of DoW you dont "spam hundreds of space marine units"
you tend to have 1 or 2 small squads and a commander.
Further more you can create just as many units in DoW2 if your opponent lets you.
>>324195178
>run out of men
>in the Imperium
Im sorry, are you lost, the Emperor eats around 5k psykers a day to keep him going, do you really think the Imperium will ever run out of men if they can't run out of rare people with connection to the warp?
>>324195308
Look, different it might be, but I don't have fun playing it. I consider it bad for that, I have no reason to keep going, it feels wrong to play, maybe its cause it lags me even with almost everything low, but it just feels so...empty and devoid of feedback.
If you enjoy it, more power to you, really, but i and many others don't, and have valid reasons not to like it. Respect that the same way we respect your right to like it.
Khorne hates psychers and wants to kill them all.
Thousands of psychers are killed every single day to keep the emperor alive.
The emperor is Khorne.
Silly humans.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
>>324195004
Don't bother anon, retards are too thick headed to accept a compromise like this
The only factions that ever got anything out of base building were the Eldar and maybe Necrons. Literally all buildings ever did in the first game was fuck up with the pathfinding and make it impossible for units to navigate the map
no love for the space wolves
>>324186837
Going through The Flight of Eisenstein felt like a chore to me, ADBs First Heretic and Betrayer are damn beautiful though.
>>324195412
>Base building in WH40k is literally non-existent and retarded.
>Building fortifications and supply depots in war is literally retarded and does not happen at all.
Sure thing there armchair general.
>>324195549
And when the stars fall, when all the world forgets anything ever existed, when nothing is left but the vast emptiness, what purpose will your Imperium have served if not the suffering of many?
>>324195569I'm playing the part of devil's advocate in this bit, shush, heretic.
>>324195004
That is some of the worst shit I ever fucking heard of.
Basic game balance and logic called, they say for you to come back home instead of sucking Lore dick and living in your cardboard box.
>>324191513
>>324195847
>being so retarded that you can't read that the problem is with factions building bases out of nowhere mid battle
There's a reason why I said "have pre-built bases and allow players to build up defenses". You can't be this fucking dense
>>324195794
Flight of the Eisenstein is needed because it sets up one of the pretty big arcs in the entire series, and Garro also causedLion'el and the Dark Angels at Caliban to see the Imperium as the enemy by killing some of themGarro is a pretty big fuck up if you think about it
>>324195706
Khorne hates SORCERERS, not psykers.
>>324195916
>And when the stars fall, when all the world forgets anything ever existed, when nothing is left but the vast emptiness
Then the Warp will fall silent because there is no sentient life to fuel it.
>>324196041
For once, you raise a valid point, warmonger.
I shall resign this battle to you, have faith and all shall fall before your will.
>>324195648
Fair enough. I liked both.
>>324196003
>Chaos Rising worse than DoW2 vanilla
>SS better than DC
This is how I know you're baiting
So seriously, does everyone think that they RelicGames is gonna make DoW3 a base building game?
I know we all may want it, but honestly, besides starcraft, i dont think basebuilders are profitable these days, thanks to Dota/League.
War has changed. RTS war that is.
>>324196020
>Garro also caused Lion'el and the Dark Angels at Caliban to see the Imperium as the enemy by killing some of them
Wait wah?
>>324196019
>blatantly ignores multiple canon examples of base building
>throws a tantrum and calls everyone else retards.
>>324195980
How would that affect balance in a negative way? If anything, having most factions not build bases levels out the playing field, and those that do build them rely on the buildings staying intact to keep their flow of reinforcements.
Loss conditions are still the same for everyone. Lose everything you have and can't afford to replace what you lost and your game is over.
>>324196141
Go to bed Erebus, your constant rusing gets tiresome.
>>324195004
This has been said before and I still agree. It isn't exactly reasonable for shit like a Baneblade to be produced on the planet unless its been stationed on the planet already (which defeats the purpose of a facility) or if the place in question is a forge world.
Maps should be changed to this as well so it isn't some enclosed arena, but something like invisible walls. This can also be another way reinforcements arrive to aid in the escalating conflict if there needs to be more reasonable ways for IG, SM, Orks, Ad Mech, etc. bring in more troops from supply lines or off-map forward bases.
>>324196207
Nope.
It'll be another CoH2 offshoot, if it happens at all.
>>324195594
Yeah... I am so tempted, but I'm low on money.
He's from China. He's done a few Mount & Blade pictures. A Witcher 3 picture.
>>324189770
>Open world RPG in a Hive
>PC is an Inquisitor
I'd imagine the gameplay like the Witcher, searching for heretics, aliens, and mutants in a large city.
>>324196207
I would like basebuilding, but I would also like it to be separate from the strategy/tactics component so I'm not doing both at once.
>>324196039
He hates both, because both harness the power of the warp and claim it as their own.
Khorne takes the Conan approach to killing. As long as you do it with your own two hands, it doesn't matter how you kill someone. Magic users are in direct opposition to this idea, because the powers they wield are not truly their own.
>>324196358
>It'll be another CoH2 offshoot, if it happens at all.
Proof? Since CoH2 was made when THQ funded Relic. Not SEGA. If anything, it'll be DoW1/2 with more DLC.
Deathwing when?
>>324196207
Base building was complete shit in DoW1 anyway so good riddance. Unless they completely revamp how it works then there's no point to it other than aesthetics
Admittedly using the Eldar webways for fucking with your enemies was fun, but it was literally the only building with an actual functionality that wasn't "SPAM MORE TROOPS"
Literally all Relic needs to do is increase the squad sizes for certain factions and bring back some of the CoH1 mechanics and the DoW1 maps, because all DoW2 are fucking garbage and all you do in them is run along an alley until you reach your objective
>>324186837
what should i read first? i know little to nothing about the warhammer universe and its lore.
>>324196256
>Garviel Loken and Iacton Qruze were sent to Caliban to ascertain the loyalty of the Dark Angels garrison there. Loken was captured by Luther who interrogated him for information, and determined that Luther might be tainted but that he did not know of the Heresy and not to mention anything lest it be what tips Luther over the edge into betrayal. Freed by a Watcher in the Dark Loken reunited with Qruze, who was forced to shoot a Dark Angel so they could escape. They were then led to freedom by a mysterious Dark Angel who knew of the Heresy, Cypher[6].
Wrong character but Garro's men basically led to Lion'el to openly rebel.
>>324192529
I want to fuck the emperor.
>>324196201
>DC better than SS
Either this is bait or you literally never played either of those games.
>>324196019
Your argument is functionally reductio ad absurdum.
Let me try
>HOLY SHIT IMPERIAL GUARD BUILDING BASES IS SO FUCKING RETARDED, WHAT DO THEY DO, RECRUIT FROM THE LOCAL POPULACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO BE TRAINED? OR DO THEY JUST BREED THE ARMIES ON THE SPOT AND WAIT 20+ YEARS FOR THE SOLDIERS TO GROW UP!
>BASE BUILDING SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN WITH IG, INSTEAD THEY SHOULD JUST LAND 20 BILLION TROOPS ON THE PLANET AND LET YOU CONTROL THEM RIGHT FROM THE START.
I mean christ, even the tabletop game lets you deploy terrain pieces, have reinforcements and units in reserve.
>>324196560
yeah thatd be sick. DoW3 would just bring back the tactics and city fighting of CoH1.
I had a lot of good times in CoH1.
>>324196398
We're getting the setting, but not the 'game type'. They're doing an ARPG as an Inquisitor going around purging shit. It's essentially Diablo 40k. Obviously people hate that and don't want more 40k games so other companies jump on!
>>324196490
And they've not stopped making addon after addon after standalone for it since the buyout.
>>324196557
ded
>>324196560
would also be nice if DoW 3 had more units than dow 2
and some form of tech tree
>>324196157
Thank you. Glad you can enjoy both.
>>324196278
Are you mental anon.
Giving SM and Chaos essentially just free reign to just drop anywhere, making Eldar just fucking spawn wherever a gate is, same with Orks, and yet making IG, the most defensive oriented guys around be delayed by base building, do you really fucking think you could even try and balance this.
Think for 7 seconds. If people could barely balance shit when everything was ona leveled playing field, with the same mechanics for everyone, how the fuck would they balance it around all of this shit.
You trust game devs today to not completely fuck this up too? Look, you can be as batshit insane as you wish to, but be realistic, there would be no way to incorporate this right. Plus, why try and revolutionize what isn't broken, when what ain't broke fuckign works great..
>>324196691
I don't know why people keep using this meme
SS multiplayer became functional after how many patches again? Not only did it have completely retarded balance thanks to aerial vehicles, it also had the utterly bullshit broken SoBs. Yet for some reason people still think they were better balanced in multiplayer than the DC eldar
Not to mention the terrible VA, the piss poor optimization and the god awful campaign
>>324196479
He hates sorcerers, because they spend a lot of time doing nothing but looking at books and obsessing over knowledge when they could be KILLING IN HIS NAME
Psykers don't have to suffer through that. Take this smug fucker. As soon as he realized what he had to do, he engineered the exterminatus of five planets. Whatever Khorne thought of librarians before, a dozen billion skulls meant he was doing SOMETHING right.
>>324196713
>HOLY SHIT IMPERIAL GUARD BUILDING BASES IS SO FUCKING RETARDED, WHAT DO THEY DO, RECRUIT FROM THE LOCAL POPULACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO BE TRAINED? OR DO THEY JUST BREED THE ARMIES ON THE SPOT AND WAIT 20+ YEARS FOR THE SOLDIERS TO GROW UP!
Well, SM did this on their games, troops landed from drop pods on their barracks instead of being trained there, same with eldar, troops were summoned, not trained, and necrons were revived so we assume the battle takes place on a tomb world (which is true, in DC, Kronus is a TW).
My 2 cents, wasn't trying to stir up something.
>>324196201
>DC
>better than SS
1/10
Made me reply
>>324196557
Likely delayed. Some website did an article on it, sure somebody has the link.
>>324196719
it was literally what I thought DoW 2 was going to be
then it turned out to be dota
>>324196602
But The Lion didn't turn against the Imperium.
>>324196691
not him, but seriously?
No matter what you believe, it's not going to be readily apparent why one game is better than the other unless the first thing you look at is balance notes. In fact, DC's campaign is vastly superior to SS's and don't try and say otherwise.
>>324196883
SS multiplayer was patched
DC multiplayer was never patched and remains a broken pile of unbalanced unplayable shit.
>aerial vehicles
>unbalanced
MY FUCKING SIDES!
Good job proving you have never played the game.
