It's going to flop too isn't it
If they want it to sell well, it needs to a gimmicky piece of shit which appeals to soccer moms
>>324145524
Flopping is their new gimmick.
>>324145524
We won't know until it's unveiled, and we see how people react to it. Ideally Nintendo wants this sort of reaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeR0fL9ofYY
>>324145524
If it carries the 3DS userbase, Sony is dead in Japan.
>>324146241
How long until sony steals it?
Oh wait...
>>324147285
40 million in 2 years
>>324145524
what the fuck do you expect us to say
yes hurr it'll flop because we know nothing about it
>>324145524
what do I know. It could be a 30$ machine that makes pop-corn and toast with the shape of Nintendo's characters for all we know.I would buy 20 if that was the case
>>324147363
40 million dudebros.
0 games.
it will be a steam box, Nintendo and Valve will marge
>>324145905
No, it needs Nintendo to shift its strategy away from trying to milk 20 year old games for profit.
Nintendo's strategy with the Wii of providing a cheap, no frills gaming console that was accessible to everyone was sound. They correctly recognized that there weren't enough HDTV owners in 2006 to warrant making an HD system.
The only problem is that now online has become a mainstream part of everyone's life, and Nintendo didn't adapt to the market. Pair this with not wanting to play nice with any 3rd party developers and a Wii U that isn't any cheaper than its competition, and you have a recipe for disaster.
So how to fix it? Relatively simple:
> System launch price is $249
> Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
> Free online access gets you multiplayer.
> Coordinate with 3rd party developers to release with current gen multiplats on launch.
>>324145524
According to GAF, yes
If it gets games, it will sell. All Nintendo needs to do is warm up relationships with third parties and get a couple of those games that are selling greatly. There's already a rumor of the FFVII remake coming to it and will more than likely at least get bids by activision and EA.
>>324148197
I always thought that it would have failed, but if GAF says it too, that means it'll be an incredible success
>>324148000
>Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles
Shut the fuck up retard
>>324145524
Of course it is. No matter how much nintencucks try to pretend that nintendo is relevant, they are not.
>>324148000
>> System launch price is $249
which would mean the hardware would be on par of Xbone at best, or PS4 selling at loss
> Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
shit idea
If it's really a hybrid, all you need is Pokemon and you already closed the gap on the Xbox One the week it launches.
>>324148000
> Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
that pokemon and LoZ MMO that everyone wants but will be shit cause you know, MMOs are shit
>>324148615
>>324148368
There is nothing wrong with this you faggots
Is basically PSN+ before PS4 ruined it
>>324145524
NO ITS NOT STOP SPREADING LIES aBOUT GLORIOUS NINTENDO!!!!!
>>324145524
I'm a fucking Nintendofag and even I think it'll flop like shit, mostly because they're trying to not only make it a fucking hybrid console, and their fucking obsession with mobile recently will make it even worse. The fact they'll probably release it soon will kill the Wii U too early, too.
>>324147176
>>324148567
pretty much this, it solely depends on how they handle the hybrid thing and how much they will fuck up.
also marketing would help but we're talking about nintendo...
>>324145524
Hard to say, since your idea of two million sales is considered flopping.
>>324145524
>literally a thread of people pretending to know what NX will be, and then based on that pretend knowledge they are pretend predicting it's success.
>>324148714
Boy, I sure do love paying a fucking fee to play games I can buy for like 2 dollars that go away at the end of the month and I don't actually own. Kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot.
>>324148787
>mostly because they're trying to not only make it a fucking hybrid console
How do you know that?
>and their fucking obsession with mobile recently will make it even worse
They are making six mobile games, that's not really an obsession
Reminder that we have had shitposting for a year straight before the thing is even announced.
>>324148983
This.
>>324149048
>>324148983
I blame hispanics personally.
>>324148908
>How do you know that?
They already said they want to make it a mix of a handheld and a home console.
>They are making six mobile games, that's not really an obsession
Mobile is, unfortunately, a fucking huge thing in Japan, why do you think Pokémon Go is a thing?
And let's also not forget about the fact that they might not even add a fucking optical drive to the NX, driving everyone to go digital only.
>>324148908
> Boy, I sure do love paying a fucking fee to play games I can buy for like 2 dollars that go away at the end of the month and I don't actually own. Kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot.
You would be paying a fee to have access to a libarary of hundreds of older games... for free...plus discounts on newer games you might have missed if you never bought a Wii or Wii U.
Yes, you can easily emulate anything N64 and earlier if you like, so if you don't think it's a good deal then don't pay for the subscription. But given that Nintendo is still charging ~$10 for 20 year old games, and most people don't have their old SNES lying around to buy an after-market $2 copy, I think there will be a big enough market for this.
>>324149089
>They already said they want to make it a mix of a handheld and a home console.
No they didn't.
Find me a quote that states that the NX is a hybrid between consoles and handheld and I don't mean a fucking vague quote like "we want to bridge the gap blahblahblah". I want concrete proof that the NX a handheld/console hybrid
You can't, so right now, you're making up a bunch of nonsense about a console none of us know about.
>>324149089
>And let's also not forget about the fact that they might not even add a fucking optical drive to the NX, driving everyone to go digital only.
Stop
>>324149089
>And let's also not forget about the fact that they might not even add a fucking optical drive to the NX, driving everyone to go digital only.
So because they patented something, it MUST be the NX?
>>324149089
>They
Actually no, they have not, if you mean Nintendo. All they've said it is a platform for dedicated gaming. That's it. Anything about controller, hybrid or anything is just you making up shit from rumors on the internet.
Of course it will. We're talking about Nintendo here. They made one lucky move with the Wii, that's it.
Will never happen again.
>>324148787
> Their obsession with mobile gaming...
Casual mobile gaming is one of the hottest markets right now. Unfortunately, I don't see how Nintendo can enter that market given that the reason mobile gaming is so popular is because you can play the games on a device you already own for other purposes - namely, your cell phone. The other reason is that many of those games are free or dirt cheap to own.
>>324148000
>No, it needs Nintendo to shift its strategy away from trying to milk 20 year old games for profit.
your dumb
>>324149089
Just so you know, just because they recently patent something doesn't mean they're for NX, or that they plan on using them at all.
>>324149534
> One lucky move with the Wii...
They also squashed that one lucky move by having very few good games. Most people I know who owned a Wii had a $200 shelf ornament after the whole "look how fun it is to flail around like a spaz!" gimmick wore off.
>>324149751
> you're*
And no, not really. Nintendo is trying to milk its glory days to its last breath at the expense of moving into the future.
Is this the year? Is it finally happening?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk
>>324149849
They should stop making mario and Zelda games even though they sell because you don't like them?
>>324147363
40 million hardware sales with little money made on each
nintendo sells less units but has a high attachment rate and their games sell for ages
>>324145524
>coming out while PS4 is just hitting it's stride
Yeah.
The NX is doomed much like the Wiiu. Hopefully it sells better, but who knows.
>>324150346
What if it's a handheld? Vita is dead, and Sony expressed no interest in making a successor.
>>324149905
If nothing else, we will undoubtedly get the official NX name and specs this year, probably at E3. It might have a holiday launch as well, but if not then 2017 for sure.
>>324149318
The only evidence pointing to this is that Nintendo merged their console and handheld hardware development divisions a while back and their talks of having a common OS infrastructure between them for making ports easier. Of course faggots on the internet ran with this and started screaming HYBRID CONSOLE HYBRID CONSOLE from the rooftops as if this was a confirmed truth.
Maybe Nintendo just wanted the two teams working in one spot and more closely together, who fucking knows.
>>324148197
I guess we're safe then.
>>324150834
Every fucking time. The Sony hive mind is strong.
>>324145524
Maybe? I have no idea.
Hope not.
>>324150834
To be fair, the DS had a really shitty first year.
>>324148197
>>324150834
Ayy
>>324150834
over a decade later and still so fucking embarrassing
I simply don't understand the NX at the moment or rather what exactly Nintendo is trying to do with it.
No idea, if that's a bad sign or a good sign.
>>324151348
It's simple anon. When don't know anything about something, you tend to not understand it.
>>324150834
>>324151318
>>324145524
>dominates the handheld market
>last console completely destroyed last gen in terms of sales
Yeah, totally a flop.
>>324151470
Then how does OP expect us to make a concise statement on the topic?
>>324151348
All I want it to be is a no-gimmick home console/handheld hybrid
>>324147685
Bloodborne is a game. They got 1 game
>>324151318
I will never understand people that blindly follow companies like that
I have to believe that it will. Because a new Smash will be too early for people to give a shit. It's a system seller but one came out. People won't be aching for a new one. Same with Mario Kart. So what will sell this system to the general public? They got no COD, Fifa, Madden, Final Fantasy, GTA, Destiny and other third party games. That is what people want. Zelda and Mario can't sell this system to everyone. The Nintendo core of 15 million will buy it. I could see this selling worse than the WiiU. What does Nintendo have to appeal to the gamers of today? What is their advantage over Sony/Microsoft? They have worse online. They have worse third party support. Their games are good but Sony/Microsoft have games on par with them. Nintendo needs to figure out their competitive advantage and exploit it.
>>324152025
Neogaf is owned by sony
>>324151348
To be fair no one had a fucking clue what the 'Revolution' would be either. Going by that track record we're gonna get a hit.
>>324151772
Personally, I think its a bunch of PR firms trying to downplay a competitor's new product.
But eh, what do I know. Could be just a die hard faction that does it for free.
>>324152025
Marketing is a powerful force, man. I've always preferred Sony's approach to gaming over Nintendo but I don't care how much they sell or if they beat them. I just play the games I like. This is some cult shit.
>>324152195
We knew plenty about Wii and what Iwata hoped to accomplish with it (he succeeded). One of the things we didn't know was how powerful it was.
On the other hand, all we know about NX is it's dedicated hardware. They haven't told us if it's home or portable.
>>324149239
>paying a fee to have access to a libarary of hundreds of older games... for free
>paying a fee
>for free
Huh?
>>324152025
gaf is scary sometimes.
Nintendo needs to get their shit together.
It's time to stop having gimmicks for the sake of gimmicks sake, you need to fucking evolve on the already established, not just trying to tear it down for something new.
Scroll bumpers are a GREAT idea, it's the sort of stuff that objectively enhances the console without taking anything away, more like that Nintendo.
>>324152173
>So what will sell this system to the general public? They got no COD, Fifa, Madden, Final Fantasy, GTA, Destiny and other third party games. That is what people want. Zelda and Mario can't sell this system to everyone. The Nintendo core of 15 million will buy it. I could see this selling worse than the WiiU. What does Nintendo have to appeal to the gamers of today?
Splatoon 2
Fire Emblem (increasingly more mainstream)
Pokemon
Harvest Moon/Rune Factory
Codename STEAM 2
Non-Persona SMT games
Metroid Prime
New Mario game that makes use of whatever gimmicks the NX has
Literally anything Zelda draws more than just a 'small core'
Monster Hunter
>>324148714
No it isn't you fuckin retard. Paying for psn+ never offered the ps2 library and earlier for free.
>>324152569
>On the other hand, all we know about NX is it's dedicated hardware.
I stumbled over a Japanese article/interview earlier today in which the NX was grouped with "multifunctional devices", whatever that is supposed to mean.
>>324152684
>you need to fucking evolve on the already established
They did that with the gamepad but people fail to see it.
>Scroll bumpers are a GREAT idea, it's the sort of stuff that objectively enhances the console without taking anything away, more like that Nintendo.
Still a gimmick though and people have cultivated a narrative of "gimmick = bad".
>>324152773
Most of those games are not even that big sellers. They are not going to save the NX.
Normies don't really care for nintendo anymore.
>>324152773
>Codename STEAM 2
Never fucking happening. That game made W101 look like a top seller.
>>324153002
>>Most of those games are not even that big sellers.
>Pokemon
>Splatoon
>Monster hunter
>>324153002
>most of those games aren't big sellers
Pokemon and Monster Hunter are two of the biggest franchises in Japan. Pokemon is a huge worldwide seller as well. Adding in the loyalty of Zelda fans and the unstoppable hype train that will be Splatoon 2...
I'm not really worried about the NX. At the very least Nintendo is going to keep their grip over Japan.
>>324152976
How the hell are scroll wheels a "gimmick"? Is any gaming done with a mouse now a "gimmick"? The fuck outta here.
>>324149954
> Stop making Mario and Zelda games...
No, that's not what I fucking said. I said stop trying to milk 20 year old games for profit at the expense of the future. I said nothing about making new games.
The entire tactic of including a way to get access to hundreds of classic games and discounted Wii/Wii U games is to get people to buy the console en masse, which will motivate 3rd party developers to port games to the system. Of course, integral to all this is making the system with specs that allow for easy and cheap porting.
>>324152832
Hiromichi Tanaka:
>NXの登場も含め、ゲームの主軸はますますスマホなどの多機能携帯端末にシフトしていくのではないかと思います。
I think, including the introduction of the NX, the shift of gaming towards multifunctional handheld devices like smartphones will continue.
>>324153319
>>324153318
>Most
I am aware that some of them have sold rather well.
I am sure MH would be enough to get japanese fans buying the NX but not western fans, at least not in massive sales.
Pokemon would certainly be enough if the NX was a handheld but I am not sure that it is.
>>324145524
Of course it is.
Nomatter how it does, people are going to find a way to write it off if they want.
First the Wii was going to flop, according to detractors. When it didn't, it was simply renamed a fad, which just makes it a flop to self proclaimed hardcores.
Easy peasy.
>>324153536
>No, that's not what I fucking said. I said stop trying to milk 20 year old games for profit at the expense of the future.
Nintendo is not the only company doing that
>>324153382
>How the hell are scroll wheels a "gimmick"?
Because a standard controller with scrolls wheels isn't done. That would make it a gimmick, not the tech being perceived to be new.
>>324145524
If its another hardware gimmick aimed at casuals like the Wii it'll flop. If Iwata's blueprint follows the "Blue Ocean" strategy thinking they'll get Wii era profits back, it'll guranteedly flop. Doesn't mean Nintendo will be out of the hardware market though but they'll most exclusively stick to handhelds while Sony dominates the console side of things.
>>324153831
>When it didn't, it was simply renamed a fad, which just makes it a flop to self proclaimed hardcores.
It was bad for anyone that actually likes playing video games. Of course, this is /v/, so you wouldn't understand.
>>324154059
>It was bad for anyone that actually likes playing video games.
Yeah nah
Yer a cunt
>>324153951
>Because a standard controller with scrolls wheels isn't done. That would make it a gimmick
So I guess the d-pad, analog stick, analog shoulder buttons etc. were all gimmicks? >>324153963
>it'll guranteedly flop
>guranteedly
neo-/v/ is underage Brazilian and Mexican shitposters forever RIP
>>324153963
>while Sony dominates the PC in a box side of things.
Fixed that for you.
>>324153951
Bullshit. If introducing a new feature to a controller is all it takes to be a "gimmick" then literally every fucking Nintendo controller ever created is a "gimmick" controller.
How did the GameCube get so many multiplats? It still didn't get as many third party games as the PS2 and Xbox obviously, but third party support was way better than the N64 at least. Nintendo needs to get in that position again with the NX.
>This thread
>>324153831
The Wii was a fad because Nintendo wasn't able to replicate its success with Wii U. The majority of people who bought a Wii weren't gamers to begin with and they already have their smartphones/ipads to cover all of their entertainment and social media needs.
NX needs to have a good hardware specs to garner 3rd party support or its gonna flop no matter how stellar their 1st party offerings are. They are gonna have to work on breaking that stereotype of "people only buying Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games" they have brought on themselves for decades. Otherwise Sony has in the bag, and they'll never be #1 in the game industry again.
>>324150497
If it's a handheld it has to compete with the Iphone and nobody wants to do that. There is a reason the 3ds isn't selling as well as as the previous handhelds.
>>324145524
I think Nintendo has created an environment where the NX can't succeed. They would have to do a complete 180 in regards to marketing with how they handled the Wii U. Maybe they never marketed it in any aggressive way because they didn't believe in it.
It needs marketing, it needs to be affordable, and as much as /v/ hates to hear this: it needs a gimmick, because the dudebro audience which makes up like 75% of the gaming market in the US simply does not care about Nintendo and surely don't care if it's just a handheld-console hybrid.
>>324154392
It sat right in between the PS2 and Xbox in power level and ease of development.
Nintendo had impressed a lot of publishers with the development kits, so most of the AAA houses were already on board, and continued making ports available because why the fuck not. All the assets made for PS2 versions ran fine on it anyway.
>TFW considering buying a Wii U because of WW HD and TP HD
>I know the NX is gonna come out soon enough
Wat do?
>>324154170
When there was only one major controller on the market, yes it was considered to be a gimmick and some people hated it just because it was different. Still count on though.
>>324154317
I'll ask you this then.
Why is the Wii Mote and the Wii U Gamepad considered gimmicks?
None of the tech used in either of the devices were new for their time nor were they the first company to package that tech together like that. Still considered to be gimmicks and that's a correct label.
>>324154132
Worthwhile games on the Wii are slim. It's really sad, but it's what you get when you throw out dated hardware with a poorly implemented gimmick.
>>324154530
>The Wii was a fad because Nintendo wasn't able to replicate its success with Wii U
So the PS2 was a fad because Sony wasn't able to replicate its success with the PS3?
>>324154678
I don't know about "dudebro" but if the next Nintendo console doesn't have a GTA game on it, it'll flop no matter how good it is.
>>324154901
So what if the NX had accessible dev kits and sat in between the PS4 and XB1?
>>324151318
I still don't understand why Vita TV failed in Japan. Totally get it not taking off outside of Asia though.
>>324154530
>The majority of people who bought a Wii weren't gamers to begin with
This is the crazy assumption I always come across.
You don't fucking know, and even if it was true, they might still like more of the same.
Nintendo's issue with the Wii U has primarily been that none of the people who enjoyed the Wii but aren't in the loop about games don't even know the Wii U exists, and it has no new games that appeal to these people either.
Shabby new versions of Wii Sports and Wii Fit aren't going to cut it, as they wouldn't see the novelty.
>>324154927
They were considered "gimmicks" because of how they radically altered gameplay and the development process of the games on the consoles. A scroll wheel would likely just be used for shit like quick menu navigation and wouldn't fundamentally alter the games themselves.
>>324154997
Nah, Sony was able to replicate their success with the PS4.
Sony has every console sell better than their last one except for the PS3. Not to mention being the market leader for every generation they have been in except for the PS3.
Nintendo has every console sell worse than their last one except for the Wii.
Sony definitely knows more about having a successful console more than Nintendo now.
>>324145524
It will still have great games and I will enjoy it all you can fuck off
>>324155232
you realize GTAV sold like fucking gangbusters, right? on every platform?
>>324154905
Wait for the NX announcement at E3 and if backwards compatibility is confirmed get that instead of a Wii U
>>324154941
I don't think worthwhile games on Wii are slim.
And I don't think it's gimmick is that poorly implemented. In fact, I don't consider the technology itself the gimmick in the first place.
Whether the hardware was outdated isn't up for discussion though, Nintendo had banked on some pretty cheap shit, but the biggest issue was that it didn't have an HDMI output for digital displays.
>>324155067
Then they would get more third party support. Just look at the Wii U's first year, when third parties tried to port shit but ran into a brickwall that was Wii U's shit tier CPU. Ass Creed, Bamham, and others running worse on a newer console than ps3 and 360. Only need for speed was notable for getting a decent port. The Watchdogs port had more time in the oven than any other version and it still runs worse than the ps3 version.
>>324154997
Only reason why PS3 didn't take off nearly as much as the PS2 was cause of how expensive it was at launch. Over the years, when it got down $300, it started selling, and by the time it got down to $200-250, they were selling like hotcakes. Of course its never going to reach PS2 level sales and neither is the PS4 cause the economy was pretty good during that time, and PS2's were relatively cheap just like the DS was everyone was buying them cause they had a lot of disposable income. Fast-forward today and that's not the case, and while I think the PS4 is selling good, I don't think it'll ever reach the PS2 in terms of sales in its lifetime because of the price point, and the differences of the economy from then and now.
I don't want Nintendo games to go away, but I wouldn't mind if Nintendo hardware goes away.
>>324155174
I don't know about Japan, but in the rest of the world it failed because it doesn't support some of Vita's most unique, best games, and it doesn't support a decent streaming service like netflix or hulu or fucking anything.
>>324155525
Sounds like a good idea. Thanks anon.
>>324148714
Not that it is wrong, it's just that it wouldn't sell without hiding online behind it.
Free old games is like salad on a buffet, a nice added bonus but you are looking for meat here.
>>324155463
>Sony definitely knows more about having a successful console more than Nintendo now.
Now if only they could learn how to make a more successful handheld...
>>324155174
Because it doesn't matter how good of an idea it is if there's NO FUCKING GAMES FOR IT.
>>324155067
Then it would depend on Nintedo's ability to convince publishers that the public want to buy whatever it will actually be called.
The buzz for the Wii was very noticable. The Wii U was completely unheard of to the public leading up to realease, so they didn't fool very many into believing it would be a hit.
>>324155584
Those ports were shit because western developers don't know how to optimize their games.
>>324155853
That's okay, Nintendo can stay on handhelds while Sony stay on consoles.
Win/win for everyone.
>>324148714
They'll grow to love it
>>324155343
>They were considered "gimmicks" because of how they radically altered gameplay and the development process of the games on the consoles.
The Wiimote was a fucking lightgun in most scenarios. It did the same shit arcade games and some peripherals were already doing, just in a smaller, cheaper package.
>>324155463
>Nah, Sony was able to replicate their success with the PS4.
So if Nintendo is able to recreate the success of the Wii with the NX, the wii won't have been a fad anymore?
I am confused.
>no gimmicks
>decent hardware
>atleast 3-5 big/good games on launch
>stop living in their blue-pill bubble and join the rest of the world with basic features
>easy development for devs
>stop pretending "FAMRY FIRST"
It's not even fucking hard but they'll still mess it up somehow.
>>324156084
Yes, then the Wii wouldn't be a fad anymore and Nintendo would have figured out a formula to appeal to non core gamers to get them to buy a 100 million consoles every generation.
>>324147363
of which only 10 millions were profitable
LOL
>>324155592
I'm with you.
I just wanted to point out the absurdity in annoucing the Wii a fad because its success couldn't be recreated immediately after by the same company.
>>324156149
>>atleast 3-5 big/good games on launch
The PS4 still doesn't have those and yet it's a success
>>324156217
That reasoning is not logically sound, anon.
>>324156276
Well Nintendo has no MS blunder to bank off of, so they actually have to do work.
The first step is to kill off Nintendo's star franchises. Everyone's sick of them.
>>324156149
>no gimmicks
Watch them fade into obscurity faster than ever then.
>>324152659
I really liked Tearaway, but this is just embarrassing.
>>324148468
If they want to sell the guy has solid ideas. If they want to make money then he is an absolute cock guzzling retarded cuckmeister
>>324156352
A fad is a one time thing that isn't easily replicated.
If Nintendo can replicate the success of the Wii, that means it's no longer a one time fad but a formula to success. How is that not logically sound?
>>324156438
please never work in business, marketing, entertainment, or any position which requires understanding consumers.
>>324155174
Vita TV failed in Japan cause streaming services and consoles aren't that big and most would prefer to play their Vita portably than on their 4k tv.
>>324155232
GTA is an essential game for every platform, without it, it sales are gonna be severed.
>>324155463
The PS4 will probably reach close to the sales of the PS3 but not exceed it. Again, the reason for this is because of the price, and the differences of the economy between today and during the time of the PS2. Even than the PS4 is still the most successful console of its current generation and I have a hard time thinking the NX will play catchup. At the most it'll probably exceed the Xbox 1 but will get no where near the PS4.
>>324155962
They're shit because the Wii U's CPU is such a goddamn bottleneck it's impossible to code around it without turning the game's textures into a blurry mess.
>>324156519
you can't just retroactively declare a thing a "fad" or not, idiot. Either it is, or it isn't. If it is, and they do it again, that's just ANOTHER FAD.
>>324145524
Most likely.
>>324156451
Nah, they don't need gimmicks to stand out.
>>324145524
If it gets monster hunter, it gets my money.
>>324156628
fad
fad/Submit
noun
an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived; a craze.
Please look for the definition of what a fad is, the Wii is literally the definition of a fad.
>>324156358
They've been banking off the 3.5 billion dollars their four most popular Mario games made them over the Wii/DS era, but I think lately they've been realizing they actually have to do work.
>>324156785
I sincerely hope so, and it'd also be nice if they could find Shiggy's successor.
>>324156149
>atleast 3-5 big/good games on launch
Let's be real now nigga. It's just need sports games and Call of Duty. Those are "good games" to the public. It wouldn't even need anything else and none of the shit you said.
>>324151797
>no gimmick
>hybrid
ugh, who keeps letting these autists have access to the internet
>>324156762
There's a LOT of modifiers in there that could make it not a fad, and what we're talking about now is not even whether its a fad or not.
It's whether you can daclare it a fad, and be right about it, and then later go "Oh, it isn't a fad anymore!".
Either it was or it wasn't.
Selling 100 million systems over a six-year periods doesn't look like a fad to me, but some of the concepts it embodied might be considered as such.
>>324156918
Nah COD is way too ingrained in XB/PS, it certainty wouldn't hurt them but they couldn't hope to succeed with just them.
>>324156743
They absolutely do. Everyone does.
>>324153285
for good reason
>>324156762
yes, the Wii was a fad. That's my fucking point. If they do it again, that doesn't somehow make the wii NOT a fad. It will just make the NX another fad.
>>324156535
>The PS4 will probably reach close to the sales of the PS3 but not exceed it.
delusional nintoddler. It's ALREADY surpassed ps3's Japanese lifetime sales and selling at a rate faster than the PS2.
>>324157140
Not really.
Gimmicks have done nothing but fuck things up.
>Kinect
>Move
>Tv shit
Just make a Gamecube 2 with proper two-sticks and fixed d-pad and people will shit themselves.
>>324157281
> It's ALREADY surpassed ps3's Japanese lifetime sales
excuse me if I find that hard to believe.
>>324157102
>Nah COD is way too ingrained in XB/PS
COD was XB centric just a gen ago. The public doesn't give a shit, they just want Call of Duty.
>>324157281
>and selling at a rate faster than the PS2.
Well then they better put out a slim version soon to keep those sales steady.
>>324157383
But Nintendo have never been known for COD.
Even when the 360 was the official dudebro console, people still played on PS as well.
Nintendo just isn't a dudebro company and they shouldn't pretend to be. Like I said, have it, but have plenty of other good but Nintendo-esque things as well.
>>324145524
You want it to flop dont you
>>324156253
I won't deny the Wii was a juggernaut during that time and if anything, Nintendo was at their prime but unfortunately they couldn't replicate that with the Wii U because it was radically different from the Wii with the gamepad. Not to mention, there was a whole lot confusion regarding whether it was an accessory to the Wii or an overpriced console. I myself didn't think about that until I got broadband internet and searched it up. A good majority of people that bought the Wii didn't just look at it as being a necessary upgrade.
I don't mind if Nintendo was to make another gimmicky controller but for the love of god, they need to give the core gaming audience the option to play with a regular controller whether its the gamecube or a USB controll. From what I recall, I played the majority of Wii games(which numbered between 4-6) with a gamecube controller. The only games I played with the Wii Mote were LOZ Twilight Princess and Xenoblade Chronicles. Had I had the chance though I would prefer to play with a comfy controller over a gimmicky one. The Wii U's gamepad is large and easy to hold but feels awkward playing on it, has short battery life, and feels like you can break it if you play too long on it. I would prefer that Nintendo not adopt gimmicky controllers for their next console but who knows what they'll do.
>>324155232
pppffftahahahahahahahah
>>324145524
Even as a Nintendo fan, I am expecting it to fail yes.
If its aimed at their dedicated audience: Those people already bought a Wii U, so they likely won't buy the NX unless it ends up with lots of games that they can't play on the Wii U. And even then, they might think twice since the Wii U is considered dead and its only 3 years old now.
If its not aimed at its dedicated audience: Then its doomed. There are no more untapped markets, so this would mean competing with the competition for a change, which is suicide. Just having the same third parties as the others isn't enough, too many people already took the dive and bought a PS4 or Xbox One for that reason. NO, the NX having Nintendo exclusive games would be bad here, and not good. It would mean dedicated fans likely abandoning them, leaving them at the mercy of people that buy consoles for third party games, and these people are highly fickle. Who wouldn't be? If you can get the game on the computer, they won't buy a console for it.
So really, they have two choices:
1. Get even less sales by appealing to people that already have a Wii U.
2. Or get nothing trying to get people that already bought a PS4 or Xbox One.
>>324147814
So you're saying it will flop AND Nintendo will stop making games?
>>324148282
>There's already a rumor
There isn't. It's just retarded assumptions based on Cloud being in SSB.
>>324157362
Those are not the only gimmicks, man.
Gimmicks are any new service/device/tech/function that people only see the novelty but not the big future in.
You have to provide novelty, but then surprise people with how it stays relevant to them.
You think SEGA didn't brush off the concept of shoulder buttons as being a gimmick at first?
>>324154905
just give up gaming if all you care about is replaying old games
>>324157580
>But Nintendo have never been known for COD.
World at War.
Either way, people don't care. They just want to know if it has CoD or not.
>>324156019
Paying for online is the biggest cancer on gaming desu, specially when there are no dedicated servers. It's such a blatant scam but people are too computer illiterate to realize it.
>>324156451
The gimmick they do need is 3rd party support.
This is the reason every Nintendo console has done poorly since the SNES. No 3rd party support. Nintendo still exists because of their awesome 1st parties. Otherwise they'd go the way of Sega.
>>324157753
Any specific things you were thinking of?
The only thing I can think of is an actually good online with better cross-play with the 3DS.
>>324157982
Meh, not even close to 360/PC hype.
>>324157046
The mental acrobatics are strong with this one.
>>324148000
>System launch price is $249
Confirmed too expensive. That's the launch price of the smaller Wii U system, and Miyamoto confirmed that Nintendo believes the Wii U was too expensive and should have started out cheaper.
>Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
The true death of Nintendo.
>Free online access gets you multiplayer.
This is how it should be for EVERYTHING online. Period. Nintendo is the only one that hasn't completely fallen to scummy jew tactics yet like paying for online or services. It would be the last push that causes me to abandon them entirely.
>Coordinate with 3rd party developers to release with current gen multiplats on launch.
Yes, they need this desperately.
>>324158124
N64 had third party support and Gamecube had third party support out the ass. They weren't media players though and they weren't trendy.
>>324157281
Let's be a realist here, as much as I love Sony and Nintendo, its not going to reach PS2 numbers no matter how much we wish it. The reason is because there's a lot more competition on the market than ever from smartphones/tablets/iphone that are getting casuals into gaming mobile and the economy isn't the same. At most it'll reach 60-75 million in its lifespan but no more than that. Every subsequent console release are going to continue to see a decline in sales no matter how good they are because they did everything they can on them and the economy just isn't the same anymore. The only system immune from the changes in the market is the PC as a good build can keep it sustained over an entire generation of consoles. The console market is never going to be the same again.
Honestly, they just need to learn that the West is a completely different beast than Japan when it comes to what drives sales.
People form here buy whatever the TV tells them to, it's how it works. This goes double for America wince they are absolutely obsessed with consumerism. You just have to hype up the console, spend A LOT of money in marketing and it will sell.
You don't need AMAZING games. You need games and then you need to convince people they are AMAZING. You put advertisements for it everywhere, show fake bullshots and outright lie about their features.
People will buy them, play for a while, and then move on to the next big thing on the TV. People are sheep, treat them like sheep.
>>324156535
>The PS4 will probably reach close to the sales of the PS3 but not exceed it.
Youre an idiot, holy shit.
>Again, the reason for this is because of the price
How long did it take the PS3 to go for $300 brand new?
Yet we had the PS4 at that price for Black Friday last year.
PS4 has been cheaper than the PS3 at the exact points in its lifetimes.
>>324158217
>that hasn't completely fallen to scummy jew tactics
>amiibo
>DLC after claiming it was bad
>going all the way back to pokemon with X Y then Z game
>b-but it encourages trading and-
no
>>324157632
Nintendo did EVERYTHING wrong about the product identity and marketing of the Wii U.
Everything they'd done right with the Wii, they did wrong. At least if what they wanted was the same audience. Or any audience, really.
I like my Wii U, and I think others might like it too if they knew it existed and understood what the fuck its deal was.
The Gamepad isn't great for all games, and I'm surprised they didn't pull a PS3slim on the system this past Christmas.
New logo, new pricing, new form factor, new packaging, new ads, new slogans, new promotion deals.
All they did was a new bundle with Mario Maker and Splatoon. Did sell, but only to the established crowd.
They better pull a goddamn rabbit out their hat with the NX.
>>324145524
Unless it's a handheld to replace the 3DS, it absolutely will flop.
>>324158409
this. That's why Splatoon sold so well - it's the first time Nintendo did a modern-style marketing blitz, and it paid off.
Now I'm not saying anything about the quality of the game, because that's immaterial. What matters is the marketing hype behind it. That's what sold GTAV, it's what sold MKX, it's what sells every big-selling game.
>>324148000
>> Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
>>>PAY MONEY FOR ONLINE
Congrats on baiting me by channeling Bobby Kotick
>>324145524
I don't Nintendo could possibly come up with anything that people are going to want. They're launching at the wrong time. People are perfectly happy with the existing console offerings. There is no demand for something else. This is going to be Nintendo's last fuckup.
>>324157281
nope. citation or bullshit called
>>324158189
>Lost this one, I did
Translated that for you, you freaky little hermit goblin.
>>324158409
>People form here buy whatever the TV tells them to, it's how it works.
Literally how is this not a global thing.
>>324157754
Why?
Your post doesnt make sense.. just because I like playing old games instead of new ones doesnt mean I don't like games anymore. Thats retarded.
P.S. This would be the first time playing BOTH those games.
P.P.S. No, I am not underage. I'm 27.
>>324158749
It certainly isn't a very German thing.
>>324157367
Go look at media create's numbers. PS4 is at 2,337,636 while the PS3 was at 2,323,926 in 99 weeks.
>>324150834
NeoGAF is the new GameFAQs
>>324158614
Exactly. Splatton was a good game but it was also a brand new IP on a console with a low install base. Apply marketing and BAM, over 2 million sales.
GTAV is a prime fucking example. The game had already paid for it's development costs befor eit even fucking launched. They made ALL their money back on pre-orders thanks to hype.
>>324155174
Because Japan is bug on handheld and people lives in small enclosed spaces
>>324159024
GameFAQs was a terrible place.
>>324158946
I find that hard to believe with Auntie Merkel.
>>324158749
I see you're from the US... Like I said, it IS a global thing, just more-so for the US.
nes = huge success
snes = success
n64 = flop
gamecube = decent
wii = huge success
wiiu = flop
NX = huge success??
>>324158948
so I was right to be skeptical. It hasn't surpassed the ~10mil the PS3 lifetime sales in japan yet.
>>324145524
Idk senpai.
I'll buy it day one and tell you exactly how good/bad it is
>>324159152
the faqs were great back in the dial-up days. Now that every game has a wikia and video guides and you can just google a specific question, there's no point to the site.
>>324157671
I think the only strategy Nintendo has at this point is too convince the Wii U & 3ds audience to move to the NX. For that to happen its going to need very good games so good that make you march to the store or promptly order one online. A Mario game in the same veins as Mario Galaxy or Mario 64 but with more features, a Zelda game that gives you a Witcher 3 experience, an open world Pokemon game, a mature Metroid Prime, an highly competitive and hyperrealistic F-Zero game, Splatoon 2, a serious Fire Emblem as ambitious as Genelogy of the Holy War/Radiant Dawn or Smash 5 with physics close to melee. Either way if it doesn't have any of these games and they implement the amiibo gimmick but locking ingame content with physical dlc, I can't say I'll buy an NX anytime soon.
>>324152025
Same.
Its weird to because as much as /v/ shits on SonyGAF we are NintenGAF
Both are filled with mindless retards and both are annoying.
>>324145524
Of course, when the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Two comes out
>>324159253
Everyone is obsessed with consumerism though.
Stop pretending any one country is more so than any other.
>>324158948
Dude, that's a pretty arbitrary milestone.
You sound like Nintendo's spin division.
>>324159321
>n64 = flop
>>324158739
I'm not the person you were arguing with. You used way too many words just to say, "The Wii wasn't a fad."
>>324158948
>99 weeks
>Lifetime
Nah
>>324159510
>Nintendo will always have the Wii numbers laughing at them
Wonder how it feels knowing they'll probably never do it again.
>>324159410
I still prefer going to gamefaqs for actual stat guides and shit for RPGs.
>>324159447
ok ok I got this one.
What is disposable income?
no? ok, then
What country has the largest consumer market?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets
>>324159415
>I think the only strategy Nintendo has at this point is too convince the Wii U & 3ds audience to move to the NX.
I'm pretty sure that this is NOT their strategy.
They tried calling back Wii audiences for the Wii U and NOTHING.
My guess is they will go for some kind of mass-market excitement again.
>>324159730
>Large & wealthy 1W countries spend more money
wew
The only way for Nintendo to win this gen is to capitalize on FREE ONLINE. No Strings attached FREE ONLINE. They can jew it up with proprietary hardware, amiibos, Fire Emblem Red&Blue, "free"games with limited plays per day+buyable plays, overpriced N64/Gamecube roms, Digital versions costing as much as retail, whatever. But the only thing they can't afford to jew out is on FREE ONLINE.
>>324159907
Sounds obvious but I had to answer to at least 2 autists who seemed "offended" at the US being blind consumers.
>>324159715
Probably the same as Sony feel about the PS2.
Which is likely gratitude that they got to be part of something phenomenal.
is the NX just a port to the wii u?
>>324159946
They need a real account system before anything though.
Why they refuse to adopt a simple system everyone has had for years is beyond me.
>>324159946
this sounds pretty arbitrary. Why not? If people seem to just blindly accept paid online, it would be silly to pass that up, as much as it pains me.
>>324159592
But again, that was not what we were actually arguing.
So I don't think I did.
Probably, it'll be a piece of shit just like the Wii U. You can't even turn the fucking Wii U tablet off without turning the whole console off. The only way to ignore it 100% is to have it fucking die and stay dead
I'm sure NX will have a gaping flaw like using it as a console will drain the handhelds battery and there's no way to charge it while playing and there's no way to play it without the handheld turned on, this IS Nintendo we're talking about here
>>324160054
Wii U2
They're stupid enough to do it and I can't wait.
>>324160157
why would you want to turn off the controller tho
how you gonna play your games, bruh
guys guys
what if the NX is asteam machine
>>324159321
> N64 = flop
> GameCube = decent
You're not making sense nigga.
Whether something is a flop hasn't got anything to do with how much you personally liked it.
>>324158514
Splatoon and Mario Maker are fine examples of how to make games structured around the gamepad. Sadly though they came very late when the Wii U really needed those kind of launch titles back in 2012.
The rest of the games though like Pikmin, Mario Kart 8, Wind Waker, Hyrule Warriors, etc, I never saw the need for it. Even in Xenoblade X, it just felt forced, with the sole exemption of the convenience of fast traveling, I would prefer the pro controller in every way possible to the Gamepad for these kind of games.
>>324159863
>They tried calling back Wii audiences for the Wii U and NOTHING.
Did they really try? It feels like they kept dropping the ball for several years in a row, from letting Wii go without games to failing to make Wii U attractive to casuals. They lost the core crowd by letting Wii dry up, and they lost the casual crowd by failing to market Wii U. If that's their idea of trying, NX is fucked.
>>324160395
>it just felt forced
Thank Shiggy for nearly every single forced thing in Nintendo games.
>>324160395
Pikmin 3 was fucking great with the gamepad, though. Drawing paths for the pilots to follow felt natural, and let you actually exploit the fact you had muiltiple pilots, unlike Pikmin 2.
I agree with the rest, though. Even Tropical Freeze just had no fucking clue what to use it for, so they turned the bitch off.
>>324160374
Then it's dead on arrival
>>324160468
Yeah, they didn't try very hard, I'll give you that. But most of their ads were about how it was a "upgraded" Wii with asynchronous gameplay, and mom could watch telly.
When you've just bought your kid an iPad Mini, you don't get why they need a new Wii for those things.
>>324160374
We already have Dolphin though.
Wii-U support is on its way.
Nintendo flops every time because they focus on family bullshit first and foremost.
Yes, you could argue that that's what made the Wii such a huge success, but look what happened at the end of its cycle. It was just as dead as the Wii U is now. Probably even deader.
Focus on individuals. The "family" audience dont play videogames. They play smartphone flash shit.
what if NX has an arsenic delivery drone system and you can use it on people you don't like, i think it could be a hit
>>324161020
>Nintendo flops every time
You can't honestly expect anyone to keep reading your post after that though.
>>324148000
>Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
lol
>>324154905
>buying a Wii U for two remasters
>>324161020
That's because Nintendo abandons their consoles after a few years to focus on the next gen handheld which then gets abandoned for the next gen console.
You get 1 year of trash (or "experimental") games from Ubisoft and Nintendo because "it's too hard to make a quality launch game", a few years of big budget Nintendo games then you get low budget puzzle games until the next console.
>>324161115
Look at this chart please
>>324159510
They've sold less and less since the NES. The competition has crushed them ever since the 5th gen. The only exception has been the Wii. And thats because it became a meme for a few years. If it hadnt become a fad, the real numbers would've been about 4.15 or so. Below the NGC and a bit above the Wii U.
They're doing something wrong when Sony crushes them every time. When Sony doesnt even have a damn company mascot.
>>324145524
I sure as fuck ain't buying one within the first year after the WiiU disaster.
>>324161439
>They're doing something wrong when Sony crushes them every time.
The only real competition they have is themselves.
They've become too complacent along with old staff bogging them down.
Along with an embarrassingly bad marketing team and what I can only imagine as terrible communication between NoA,NoE, & HQ.
>>324161713
>They've become too complacent along with old staff bogging them down.
I heard somewhere that they never get rid of old employees until they really really fuck up or literally die like Iwata. There is no place to move up for younger employees.
I dont know how japanese companies keep thriving with this kind of mentality/environment.
>>324154905
I would understand being on the fence about it regarding Super Mario Maker and Splatoon, but for some HD remakes? Seriously?
Have you at least never played the original games?
>>324145524
yes, but they have experience keeping themselves alive
>>324162008
They aren't, that's why both them and China are in trouble with the times catching up to them.
>>324158484
No, the day they start charging for online is the day they have truly died.
They can't even replicate the Wii any more cause everyone moved on from that shit.
I know Nintendo isn't poor or anything, but realistically how long could they keep this up?
I think NX could be more disruptive than Wii if the rumor about the unified software library is true. They could use NX Go to anchor NX Home into relevance.
>>324162008
>I dont know how japanese companies keep thriving with this kind of mentality/environment.
They don't. They do not thrive.
>>324162215
They died to me when they started locking content behind toys
>>324162225
>realistically how long could they keep this up?
Like 30 years.
>>324162225
Forever, as long as nothing happens to DS sales
>>324156235
>source: my ass
>>324159321
>gamecube=decent
>decent
