I dont really think this will be "great" but it might be some comfy grinding like Destiny. Also why do companies even do the graphical downgrade like people wont be able to tell?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymcs4EGwnUU
>>324048629
I don't like bullet sponges as a mechanic so that just ruled me out.
>>324048629
Why the devision sucks in 3 simple points
1) Ubisoft
2) Downgrade, downgrade, downgrade. PC version at E3 2013 looked GOAT and now it looked like some xbox360 gta5
3) Bullet sponges. Enemies can literally take up to 30 bullets from short range and not die.
No thanks, I had high hopes for this game but right now it's looking worse than Watch Dogs
Thanks Ubisoft!
High time to kills and taking a lot of bullets to drop other players is A LOT better than AWP shit and always having gunfights decided by who shoots first
I got into the Division beta via Humble Bundle but I'll probably skip buying it for Wildlands
>>324049878
>and always having gunfights decided by who shoots first
but thats how fucking guns work
whats the point of a shooter if guns dont work?
its like having a racing game where all cars are limited to going 50mph and it takes 30 seconds to reach that speed
>>324050084
yeah, go play with guns in real life and get yourself shot
video games are for fun, also the guns work in game - watch the gameplay footage
>>324050325
what a dumb argument
>comparing videogames to real life
>>324049878
so gun fight success is determined by weapon strength instead? Fuck that.
no skill required grind-to-win pvp fucking sucks.
I hope you're wrong, and that gun fights work as expected, but that the meta game is based more heavily on how you use skills and move around cover strategically.
>>324050430
I mean to say that bullet sponge shit can be vindicated if there's a compelling meta-game element
>>324050084
Is this bait? I think this is bait.
>>324050410
That's exactly what you just did on the first post you stupid stupid
>>324048629
>Also why do companies even do the graphical downgrade like people wont be able to tell?
Because initially the game is supposed to look that way.
But then consoles happen.
>>324050525
how is it bait? why would you fucking want a game where you need to shoot someone 30 to 50 times from close range before they die?
>>324050550
it needs to be realistic and fun. Saying you should do an activity in real life instead of a game is just retarded
shooting literally over 30 bullets to an enemies body and head from close range and him not dying ruins the entire fun. I cannot see how anyone would think this is a good mechanic.
>>324050550
No, that's what you did. "BUT THAT'S HOW GUNS WORK IN REAL LIFE!"
>>324050410
>>324050430
Yeah, it's not supposed to be Arma or Insurgency
There's a reason retards like you aren't tasked with making videogames.
Randomly being shot one time with an AWP in a survival game and dying is not fun
>muh strategy
High-TTK allows players to actually use strategy instead of the ONE strategy available in your ideal games - seeing the enemy before they see you
>>324050673
this
>>324050715
you are right, 1 hit 1 kill is also not a good mechanic. But fucking OVER THIRTY BULLETS FROM CLOSE RANGE
WHAT IS THIS A BB GUN??
How about 3 to 5 bullets depending on the gun? That seems like a better step in the right direction
>>324050672
>it needs to be realistic
Stopped reading right there. If you don't like the game or its mechanics then don't buy it. All you're doing right now is complaining, impotently, about a game you don't even like. This argument has now reached its natural conclusion, you can stop posting now and go to another thread. Bye.
>>324050927
>stopped reading there
if you cant discuss a videogame in a videogame board why dont you fuck off?
>>324050867
Players will still get OHK bodyshots with sniper rifles
3-5 exists in Insurgency and it works well their but not in an MMO
Shotguns and LMGs become useless in low-TTK games because everyone just uses Marskman Rifles or whatever the OHK body-shot weapon is
Look at how Heroes & Generals got fucked up
>>324051008
There's nothing to discuss. You have no argument, all you're doing is complaining about a mechanic you don't like. You fuck off, you whiny little pissbaby. Go play Call of Duty or Battlefield or something, or go shit up another thread.
>>324048629
why bother with it when Destiny already does everything better?
>>324051097
then make sniper rifles more complicated
i understand that we do not want instagib but over 30 bullets from a fucking machine gun from close range is just absolutely insane
>>324051146
>being this upset
does your mommy knows you use all these naughty words?
>>324051246
Some people are bored of Destiny by now and are looking for another loot based RPG shooter.
>>324051291
>u mad response
The only person mad here is you, because you got told, hard.
>>324051393
>y-you got told hard!
shhh go away grown ups are discussing a videogame here
>>324051291
>then make sniper rifles more complicated
so you go from one bit of annoying "MUH REALISM" horseshit to then adding irritating shit like ridiculous rifles sway and PRESS E TO INHALE
This is why low-TTK games are shit, they start of being awful and then you have to make all other parts of the game awful for balance
>>324051514
All you're doing is whining that the game isn't Call of Duty, and nobody else is agreeing with you. The guy who said having a high TTK is good is absolutely right. At this point you're just shitposting and getting your paper thin arguments shot full of holes.
>>324051557
so you rather have 100% steady guns or fast guns that dont require any reload but that require over 30 bullets to kill someone from a 20 feet distance?
ah that makes total sense
>>324051815
i have never mentioned cod nor do i play it
and plenty of people are agreeing that the bullet sponges are retarded, read the internet
just because you like this unrealistic 50 bullets required from short range to kill a person doesnt mean everyone does
the shitstorm will only get bigger, the news is just out and the video too, but so far plenty of people are complaining about bullet sponges
just you wait
>>324051849
That's not what he's saying at all, you strawmanning little fag.
>>324051849
In real life your weapons don't sway like they do in COD and other shitty low-TTK games
ARMA is realistic and there's none of that dumb sway because you realistically always have your rifle shouldered even when you aren't aiming down sights.
Next tell us how having to catch your breath after springing 5 meters is "realist", "tactical", etc.
>>324052197
sprinting*
>>324052306
dude this is a SFW (safe for work) board, my boss saw this image and he's now mad at me
>>324052031
Everyone whining can just not play it. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy or play this game if they don't like it. There are plenty of other shooters similar to this, and bullet sponge enemies is the norm for RPG shooters. If you expected anything less, you should maybe get your head checked. It's a different type of game with different mechanics. It's more about consistent accuracy and fire than who sees who first. You have to accept that you don't like the mechanics and move on. Complaining won't get you anything but mockery.
>>324052471
>If you dont like it then dont buy it!
this is the best argument of the night
>>324050084
Low TTK is only a good thing in DOOM. You need a high TTK in order to have a good 3D shooter. The perfect example of that being Quake 3.
>>324052471
Also, DayZ already exists as does all of its clones and games in that genre
Yet these people still sperg when a game comes out with high-TTK so players can do more while gunfights are actually happening
The only game I know that hits the "goldilocks zone" of bullet effectiveness is Last of Us online. Say what you will about the game but the multiplayer feels brutal without being ohko cheap
>>324052597
It literally is the best argument. If you don't like it, don't play it, don't buy it. All you're doing right now is complaining about a game, impotently, to people who have nothing to do with the development of said game. What more do you want me to say? Either don't buy it, or go complain to someone who can actually do something about it.Protip: Ubisoft probably doesn't care what you have to say either. They don't care that little babby wants every game to be like his cawwadoody. They already have their vision of what they want the game to be like set in stone.
>>324052197
>doesn't sway in arma
They do when you are fatigued, super hard actually
They sway in COD/other unrealistic games for balance.
>>324049736
>trying to turn your shitty post into copypasta
>>324053174
but in ARMA it makes sense when there is sway
in COD style games it's just annoying. Like I said, it's more irritating "muh realism" features that have to be added to make up for the existing shitty "muh realism" features
Same reason BF is a joke compared to ARMA with its "realistic" bullet drop that makes high-powered sniper rifle rounds drop like airsoft BBs
>>324053369
>repeating some valid points is trying to create it into a meme
fucking retard
>>324052928
PvP isn't even the main focus of the game and yet these little shits are whining about a high TTK in a PvE centric RPG shooter with loot mechanics. Just about every game similar to this one has a high TTK. You can't even compare it to Destiny because PvP in Destiny exists entirely seperately from PvE. Maybe they can throw in a PvP only mode for these whiny little shits, that way they can play it like the shitty cover shooter the seem to want it to be.
>>324053075
I'd say the goldilocks zone is in games like Planetside 2 where only the AWP style slow, blot-action rifles can get OHKs but only with headshots
that and maybe pump-action shotguns at point-blank range
I'm okay with it as it's more of an RPG shooter than say a tactical shooter. If it's not your cup of tea, then don't play it, but arguing that bullets should down an enemy super quick in a game about rpg balance isn't too smart.
>>324053660
Because who would care about getting better gear/loot drops if your standard AK/AR kills in 2-body shots?
High-TTK lets you see the differences in equipment stats.
>>324048629
>comfy grinding
>>324053414
>Same reason BF is a joke compared to ARMA with its "realistic" bullet drop that makes high-powered sniper rifle rounds drop like airsoft BBs
Fucking this. They had to make snipers fit into the game somehow even though there's no place for it in a vehicle and infantry based shooter. If snipers were realistic every single recon would be sitting almost a mile away from the battlefield picking off soldiers left and right with ease because real life high powered rifles are capable of doing exactly that.
>>324053906
This. There would be no sense of progression.
>>324051815
hey, fuckface
I know you're a shill for this game
here's the thing; it's nothing that anyone wanted out of this title when it was announced, nor was its final lameness so apparent
it will fail because the first impression is fucking garbage
fuck you
>>324048629
>Another Ubisoft title show abysmal DOWNGRADE
Another pirate this year I think.
>>324054025
>would be
>>324048629
>hitting someone in the head wont kill them instantly
we are not fighting monsters here, so why the FUCK do they make it like that?
>>324054167
There's some sense of progression in DayZ when you kill someone and get a slightly better gun but those games already exist and there's plenty of them.
They can't be considered RPGs and they don't fit what The Division is supposed to be though.
legit baffled how ubisoft can drum up hype with the most unexceptional looking games ever
how are people so easily taken in by good vertical slices
>>324053597
>repeating valid points
I saw this exact post in another Division thread
Fuck off
>>324054275
>no point in progressing for better gear
>gunfights end as soon as they begin
>game becomes bogged down with awful "realism" mechanics to stop everyone from just using OHK body-shot DMRs
:^)
>>324054168
>I know you're a shill for this game
I'm probably not even going to buy the game unless it goes on sale way after release
>here's the thing; it's nothing that anyone wanted out of this title when it was announced
Just because you didn't want another loot based RPG shooter, doesn't mean nobody else did.
>nor was its final lameness so apparent
There has been footage of the game that shows off the mechanics available for months and you expected them to suddenly change everything up because you prefer low TTK arcade shooters? Everyone point and laugh at this retard.
>I won't buy it because I don't like the mechanics*
ftfy
Now GTFO. You have nothing to add to discussion, you're just shitposting at this point.
>>324054578
Co-op is all I care about. The only other co-op game Q1/2 2016 is Shadow Warrior 2 and Total Warhammer
>>324054605
which is what repeating means
>>324054742
Wildlands will still be a lot better IMO
>>324054696
>defending this piece of shit so vehemently
>>324054217
>Battlefield maps are now large enough for bush wookies to sit a mile away from the action
lolno
>I have no sense of scale or distance
>>324054742
seems like there are much better co-ops games you could play right now instead of looking forward to mediocre upcoming games
>slow console kiddies like bullet sponge games
I wonder why?
>>324054869
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>>324055006
No, it's PC gamers that already have DayZ, Rust, etc.
The "kiddies" are the ones demanding that every game be turned into CoD with low-TTK, ridiculous weapon sway, airsoft bullet drop, etc.
>>324048629
I got Siege and AC4 and they were good enough. I would give Ubi a chance but
>From the makers of Watch_Dogs
So sell me on the game, exactly how the fuck is this not The Last of Us without zombies?
>complaining about bullet sponge enemies when the game is an RPG and the guns are your swords and magic
you people are fucking stupid
>>324055090
fuck off already
>>324055250
this to be honest family
>>324055250
Dude, it's not realistic like COD: Advanced Future Operations where there's realistic bullet damage, extremely short sprint distance, and non-stop action for this ADD generation
>>324055006
>>324055187
Seems to me that the gaming population is utterly retarded and there is no difference between pc pleb race, and the cod kiddie audience given how undertale won meme of the year.
The two of you for example are just used toilet paper smeared with shit.
>>324055296
You've been warned.
>>324055187
>it's PC gamers that already have DayZ
Wouldnt Dayz be a low time to kill since a gun fight can end in one bullet, and often times before you even see the other person?
Also, TTK seems like a naive metric that doesn't take into account any other gameplay mechanic.
>>324055308
>>324055250
>game is presented as an atmospheric co-op TPS
>nope, it's a generic trite piece of shit mmo 'rpg'
>>324055423
you faggots always like to quote the rules like no tomorrow because that's your only pathetic defence
eat a fucking dick
>>324055250
>he has been convinced by fallout and borderlands that combining shooters with traditional RPG stuff is a good idea
>>324055570
Yes, PC gamers already have low-TTK games.
It's console children without access to DayZ and games in the genre that want to turn even RPG style games like Destiny and The Division into DayZ which they can't have
I don't mind DayZ but it is very naive to think low-TTK should be forced into every game for "muh realism"
>>324055839
nobody thinks day z was a well realized concept, I'm pretty sure PC gaymers still want more day z games (but ones that actually deliver and are executed well)
>>324055652
It was always presented as a loot based RPG, and yet you expected it to not have any of the mainstay mechanics of a loot based RPG, like high TTK. You're the definition of retarded.
>because that's your only pathetic defence
Against what? What argument? What am I defending myself from? All you're doing is making really poor quality posts and taking away from the reply limit every single time. Those are the rules. If you're going to discuss something, actually discuss it instead of posting reaction image replies with nothing but a "fuck off", you drooling retard. Make some valid fucking points and arguments, or stop posting. Its that simple.
>>324055958
PC gamers can wait for them to come out whereas console gamers piss and moan when their open-world survival RPG games have high-TTK and not "muh realism" unfun OHK weapons and pic related for "realistic" weapon handling for balance
>>324054837
You are comparing a 2017 at the earliest to 2016 m8, I will get Wildlands probably guaranteed while this game is kinda riding on a good beta.
>>324054992
>right now
Or already have. Nothing good has come out in the last few years that I didn't play, and old games are old games as in obviously already played.
>>324056305
Wildlands will come out November 2016
>>324048629
>comfy grinding like Destiny
What did he mean by this?
>>324056420
It won't. Its the next Watch Dogs and Division in that it will come out years after its announcement.
Considering Watch Dogs 2 had rumors last year but wasn't announced, Watch Dogs 2 will come out at the end of the year.
>>324056586
so Watch Dogs 2 wasn't even officially announced and Wildlands already has full gameplay Demos they've let people play
Division is a game that will just go from beta to full release mid-year, Wildlands is the big November release for 2016
Why so much caring about visuals when the gameplay is hot garbage anyways?
>>324056865
>mid-year
Division comes out in less than 2 months
The bullet sponge was a complaint nearly every youtuber had at the event. I doubt it, but hopefully ubisoft takes some notes from that and the upcoming beta to make the damage a little more balanced. Bullet sponges made operation raccoon city boring, even as a mediocre shooter. Idk why developers think bullet sponges extend game times when all it does is just frustrate gamers. Take extra time to program the AI to adapt to player count, it cannot be that difficult in this day and age to make adaptable AI in next generation AAA title . Bullet sponges ruin games.
>>324057167
i.e. between now and late in the year so it's more likely Wildlands will be their big release
DOOR CLOSING CONFIRMED
https://youtu.be/L2rT35dr-Rk?t=10m30s
