What is the best Civ like game and why is it SMAC?
I sit in my cubicle, here on the motherworld. When I die, they will put my body in a box and dispose of it in the cold ground. And in all the million ages to come, I will never breathe, or laugh, or twitch again. So won't you run and play with me here among the teeming mass of humanity? The universe has spared us this moment.
Anonymous, Datalinks
>>324013812
>worst gameplay
>best civlike
the customizable units feature is interesting even if aside from armored terraformers cheesing there's just no need ever to modify default ones and the overpretentious writing can click some buttons in certain people but overall it's nothing to write home about
>>324013812
SMAC had characters with personality that even reflected in their maps
>>324014206
>the overpretentious writing can click some buttons in certain people but overall it's nothing to write home about
yeah, you're totally not the pretentious one
Because it very nicely combined its theme with the gameplay. At first you just have simple science advancements you know and right now we already finished the secret project of the human genome. However as you advance you see how things just completely lose any of the moral limitations we find fundamental now. It starts with simple things like every body after dying having to go into the biotanks. But later things like cloning only the best, having cyborgs, and nanopaste that consumes everything in its path for more weapons.
That combined with the reflections of the various leaders give you a very good picture.
Space games thread?
>>324014516
if you like old space games, this is one of the bestit's free
>>324014234
>sir the xenofungus might be alive and part of the planet
>DAMN YOU I TELL YOU TO GET RID OF IT ALL
I remember when /v/ had bump limit SMAC threads that weren't just quotedumps. Hard to believe reading this shitpile today.
>>324013812
>>324014834
>Shitty AI
>imbalanced
>old controls
A remake with good AI might be cool. But as it is now its just too old
>>324014806
I dont think there are a lot of people left on /v/ that played SMAC
>>324014775
>the xenofungus might be alive and part of the planet
>Yhey're alive? I never hheard of a libing fungos, I didn't take biology either. And you say they're part of the planet? that would explain why were on this planet.
>>324015256
the free drones were such retards
>>324014697
>>324014516
If you have not played Star Control 2 yet, you are literally wasting precious seconds of your life. You need to play it, RIGHT. NOW.
Seriously, you have not lived your life correctly in terms of vidya if you died without playing it.
It's #1 in the "video games everybody should play before they plan to kill themselves" list.
>>324015532
>mfw every time I played SMAX the free drones got rekt
>every time
>>324014697
Stop, what you are doing is wrong, why are you doing this thing?
>>324015790
Still playing them is pretty funny because industry is a crazy good social stat to have
>>324015894
Oh, the words, you have spoken the words, and you have spoken them well.
>>324013812
GOD TIER
Morgan
GOOD TIER
Zakarov
Miriam
Deirdre
OK TIER
Yang
BORING AS FUCK TIER
Lal
SHIT TIER
Santiago
DOES NOT EXIST TIER
Crossfire factions
>>324015894
>>324015958
>tfw the best ships in the game by far are used by the shitlord birds who only ever give you four and are entirely useless otherwise.
>>324015028
The AI is the only problem with it. There's nothing old about it otherwise. No other wizard 4x ever managed to replicate the charm or the ammount of fucking around you could do with spells.
>mfw the huge hype for beyond earth
>and then they say its not a spiritual sequel to SMAC
>or really anything like SMAC
what the fuck firaxis
>>324016142
Actually there is no "best" ship in the game. There is no "worst" ship either Each ship is effective against a particular type of ship, while weak against another type of ship. And it depends on how you use the ship, each ship has a different strategy.
>one of my first SMAC games
>expanding pretty well
>suddenly get a 2 pop base which is about to get taken since I cant get more troops to it quickly
>decide to burn it down so no one gets it
>everyone is pissed
>find out that does not stop on its own
>everyone wants money to forget about it
>pay 1 guy and 2 turns later he fucks me over anyway
>decide to tell everyone to fuck off
>enemy starts making needlejets and bombs my outer cities from his water bases
>dont have a port so cant make ships to fuck him up
>decide to make planet busters
>nuke every city close enough to be within needlejet range
>everyone mad
>sea level starts rising
>have massive population so I can order the sunscreen to be erected
>build more bases so I can transport my nukes to those places to get in range
>already wiped out 2 enemies before, with nukes another 2.
>diedre, who resisted the most still has some bases
>sunscreen doesnt work, water keeps rising
>enemies start losing bases to water
>keep nuking
>whole map except a few mountains are flooded, with my ships I reign supreme
>decide to end it with just nuking everything
>at the end the whole planet is flooded, the few patches of land have constant xenofungus outbreaks and billions of people were consumed by the water
>>324016142
they give you more if you lose them
but they disappear after a while so whateverthey give you a bunch of their ships just before the final battle
>>324016096
dont talk shit bout my waifu santiago
>>324016238
>its a reskin
>everything looks fucking retarded
>space niggers
>>324016442
Wow sensei you have opened my eyes to the perfect ubermensch of ship balancing, how dare I make a throwaway comment. I will commit shofixti now.
>>324016527
>reskin
the only things in common are the earth being fucked and the game happening in spehss
>>324016451
a god amongst men
>>324016615
is a reskin of civ v
>>324016558
No, we need you to have lots of sex with fertile females to repopulate your entire race by the millions in a span of 1-2 months, do not kill yourself.
>>324016527
> santiago will never break your arm to teach you a valuable lesson in flexibility, even if your training would suffer from it
>>324014697
>QURAN MASTERS
>>324016615
Aliens are even called barbarians in the game files.
>>324016831
>you will never expect to be ridden dry by santiago only to find out she is very shy in bed
>rules for life
>extends his life indefinitely, rules forever
>"""""democracy"""""
>>324017004
Peoples Democratic Republic of Lal(a) Land
>>324017004
still has a better claim on sole ruler than all the other leaders
>>324013812
It's Call to Power 2 with the Apolyton source mod.
No contest at all.
>>324017004
Didnt he Clone his wife or something?
Thats why he gets constantly relected, all the electors are clones of him or his wife.
>>324015732
Doesn't really look to my tastes. What's so good about it?
>play lal
>name all my bases Designated, or something like that
>rename the formers to designators
>rename colony pods to septic pods
>>324016965
>mfw playing santiago and telling planet to fuck itself, blowing mind worms to bits and genociding all fungus
When did you realize that Miriam is right, Anon?
>>324018780
after spending like a year on/pol/
>>324018780
No one was right, Miriam was too conservative too afraid of progress. while others welcomed it without the criticism it required.
>>324017004
>protector of democracy
>his faction bonus is to rig planetary elections, receiving twice as many votes as there are voters
>>324019172
he made the poo vote
people who don't care about SMAC didn't play it when it actually came out.
this was the most amazing game i had ever played since Master of Orion, being a kid.
it puts you in atmosphere, especially when you're young and new to gaming.
today's kids are truly fucked.
atmospheric games witch actual good gameplay are few and far between these days.
>>324019149
>not santiago whose only concerns were making a bigger stick and none of this mad science jackholery
>>324019172
He was also a greasy fuck who wanted to resurrect his wife without concern for free will
>>324019340
The only barrier today is dated graphics, UI and compat issues. I'm sure an HD remake (with nothing omitted or changed, naturally) would probably be eaten right up.
Fuck how hard can it be to make a mod for civ4 with the same mechanics at least?oh wait, this current generation of devs only has the stones for 'beyond earth' quality
>>324019412
how do you ask your dead wife if she would like to live again? why would you even need consent to clone your spouse?
what if your child dies, is it immoral to clone them so instead you have to make a new child?
>>324019569
IIRC correctly it was a genetic but not mental reconstruction of her, she had no idea who he was and he expected her to be the woman he married.
>>324016238
Eh, Beyond Earth isn't bad for Civ 5 in space. But it's just NOT Alpha Centari 2. Which is where it fails for a lot of people as they were expecting that.
>>324019558
>mod civ 4
good luck with terrain height
>le terrain height is not a mechanic we believe worth adding to the game
>who needs the workshop?
the only thing I disliked was how armored rovers ended up looking like vintage cars
>civlike
>>324019780
Assuming limitless biome slots, why not make every combination of terrain and height a different biome? It's hacky as fuck but works within the boundaries.
>>324018780
Deidre is the one who's right canonically though since her way leads to the good ending.
>>324019925
>joining minds with a fungus brain
>good ending
muh transcendence
>>324019780
>>324019878
The workshop would be a bitch but why not have a loose facsimile by building the parts individually (no attack, defence or move value) and combine them to the base unit on site with a special ability?
>>324020359
>so much micromanagement
someone could just program a game from scratch with 2d graphics before getting all this shit modded into civ4
>>324020547
You underestimate the complexity of a game engine. The tools for civ4 are already laid out.
>>324020638
maybe, but still Id rather have a 2d game
>>324020752
So be content with the original. It's sprites are fine and it scales with resolution. I'd like to see what it'd look like with a modern facelift.
>>324020825
I would only improve the interface, the pathing, and the armored rover graphics
>>324020749
fuck the ui in this game
i do not know what the fuck is going on in this game
turn complete? THEN WHY CAN I STILL MOVE MY LITTLE TOY NIGGAS?
>>324020971
seriously, that shit was annoying as fuck, its like they didnt even play test it
also
>no subs
>subs in exp
didnt even bother to torrent that
>>324020971
>niggerstralia is overpowered because extra trade routes
>trade routes are broken as fuck
>in both ways
>spend the entire game facerolling opponents in between tedious trade restarting
>you only get more powerful with every city/trade slot
>you also get more trade routes to restart
Who the fuck designed this game?
>>324019340
It's still great, I just got into last year and it blows the pants off Civ 2 and 3.
>>324020971
The main problem of Beyond Hope is that it doesn't have any character. A bit part of SMAC are the character/faction interactions and the fact that each faction is based upon ideologies and not nations.
Playing Not-Spain and fighting against Not-Russia on Not-Earth simply doesn't sound exciting at all.
>>324021127
>>niggerstralia is overpowered because extra trade routes
Eh I don't know.
What was it? +2 or +4 extra trade routes for the capitol?
I played as them and spammed cities so the 4 extra trade route from my capitol wasn't really noticeable.
I think I would've gotten a lot more value out of africa.
>Who the fuck designed this game?
I think people who played Civ5 on Prince or below and only went 4 city tall, so they couldn't fathom how powerful trade routes were if you just spammed cities.
bloated version:
>>324021314
Only 2 but the massive income you get from them at the start accelerates your growth in every aspect far beyond your competitors.
>>324018780
she is pro dogmatism that halts any scientific progress. She is the IS
>>324021718
Wasn't there an expansion coming that would fix BE? Why has it fallen off the radar?
![[NERVE STAPLE].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FXH2LqH.jpg "[NERVE STAPLE].jpg")
Drone riots.
>>324019664
he doesnt say anything about forcing the new wife to become his wife.
>>324021718
change purity to WH40K
I remember when I was, like, 8 or some shit and my teacher got inexplicably mad when I used 'terraforming' in some assignment shit because it wasn't a word you could find in the dictionary. Fucking bitch.
>>324022061
I dont get why you have that tech on day one
Post demographics
>>324020971
>someone asks me for help against some other country
>OK, Im bored of peace
>give me 10 turns to prepare
>build carriers
>who Im I attacking anyway?
>the guys on the other side of the planet
>fuck
>ready to attack?
>move my carriers there, take countless turns
>finally there, this bitch doesnt have any cities on this coast
>has a city one tile from the coast
>cannot bombard because cannot see
>planes dont have scout ability
>get a land scout there
>bombard the one city for a few turns before scout is killed
>my "ally" didnt even move its units
>why am I playing this shit?
>>324022395
>military service
>270 years
>>324015028
Had a LAN-party a few weeks ago where we played the shit out of it. Even the casual gamer, who never played a 4x game got hooked.
>>324022395
>live 25 years
>fight 270 years
Goddamn vikings.
>>324021871
Did you even play the game?
>>324022643
Kek.
>>324014058
Nothing ever beat this game did it. Simply amazing.
>>324022513
are you talking about Civ or BE? this happens to me all the time in Civ5.
>>324016096
>DOES NOT EXIST TIER
>Crossfire factions
Free Drones and Cybernetic Consciousness were good factions.
>>324023309
BE, but it doesnt matter, theyre the same
>>324014206
>armored terraformers cheesing
Wait, what?
I always sent out my terraformers as quickly as possible
>>324015925
I't still odd that they chose to give a mob of anti-intellectual mongoloids an industry bonus. A society that bends over backwards in order to find enough manual labor for all of its citizens should basically have -5 to everything.
>>324023356
None of the expansion factions were good factions.
>>324016096
>DOES NOT EXIST TIER
>Crossfire factions
Fucking excuse me?
>>324023915KEK
>>324023915
Is there a way to make a custom, balanced water faction?
I tried giving penalties to growth and industry, but it still outpaces other factions handily. I still love starting in the water though. Fuck land
>>324013812
I never understood the purpose of these threads. What is the point of them exactly?
>>324024825
To talk about video games
>>324025140
>what is the best 4x game?
>hurr i just answered my own question it's SMAC
>>324025319
It's a challenging confrontational statement which people are motivated to argue with or against.
It's a fairly effective way to get threads going because people on /v/ like to argue.
>>324023501
if you modify the terraformer to equip the heavies armor you can park them in chokepoints and whatnot to have enemy stacks almost suicide by reaction fire trying to take them out and they cost fuck all resources/turns to make compared to other units that can do comparable damage
Playing Sword of the Stars right now
This is pretty fun
>>324013812
It aged like milk though
>>324025862
Yeah, it's fine cheese now. It's ok to be an uncultured fag who doesn't like cheese though.
>>324019363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcEwUcVBHs
She had no moral quams about using the bodies of fallen soldier to make a bigger tank.
She had no problem with Cyborgs or cloning.
>start game bright future ahead for my people
>good start most neighbors seem nice and committed to a good future and values.
>this asshole comes up to me and says CREAM get the money Dollar Dollar bill y'all, money is the meaning to life and he is going to kill my people because my civ is the prime location for a galactic gas station
>tries to bribe me
>don't take the bribe he starts attacking to be an asshole.
>literally wants to bring all the worst aspects of modern life into the future with his awful philosophy and views.
Is he the biggest dick in any of these games? Literally wants to put a dollar sign on everything of value.
>>324019558
There was an attempt for a SMAC mod for Civ 4, but it failed. the engine had no support for most of the cool terraforming stuff like changing the terrain level, altering rainfall patterns etc.
>>324026835
All I'm seeing is recycling the dead. No mind-fusing or planet-fapping here nosiree.
>>324026887
>22XX
>betting against CEO Nwabudike "Bitches ain't shit but energy credits" Morgan
>>324027779
Knowledge will save us.
>>324021314
rising tide really broke trading and polystralia with those insane amounts of strategic resources late game
>>324027996
>Prokhor "electrons are hadrons" Zakharov
>>324026887
>playing as zakharov
>morgan on comms
>see what he wants
>"I have amassed a lot of wealth and I would like to share it"
>suspicious
>"Im willing to give you 100000 energy credits, but before I can complete the transfer we need to pay some fees to the global energy banks"
>"due to legal circumstances Im unable to pay these fees myself, or any of my people"
>"however if you can spare this small cost, I will be able to complete my donation"
>"it will be merely 500 credits, which you should deposit in this account; #######"
>reply "this shit again morgan?"
>close comms
>>324021295
>Beyond Hope
>>324028429
>Literally pulling a nigerian prince scam before such a thing existed.
Biggest ruse man.
>>324013812
EL did for fantasy 4X what SMAC did for sci-fi 4X.
>Morgan
>looks like someone who knows business and distribution
>but is also someone who would sell his grandmother for a dollar
>Zakharov
>scientist and genius who helps humanity surviving in the harsh new world
>but also knows no ethics and only cares about his experiments
>>324016096
>>DOES NOT EXIST TIER
>Crossfire factions
Free Drones, Cultists and pirates were ok. Only the androids and hackers didn't fit.
Sid Meyer: "FUCK! There's kids coming onto the internet reading about games and they don't even know about our fuckin' space game franchise. Let's get some shills cross-postin' my epic "DRONE RIOTS" may may over the imageboards."
HAL Reynolds: I Can't Let You Do That Bitch,
>>324017004
>ruler
Merely Chairman for Life of the UN.
>supposed scientist
>has irrational phobia of xenofauna and flora
>>324029094
It's disappointing that this quote makes a fundamental mistake, quarks aren't behind electrons Zak you hack.
>>324018780
It took me a while to get what was meant by
>Our Secret War
of Deidre.
>>324021023
There's a new UI mod in the making.
>>324022259
>Earth's final century
Are you getting it now?Shit got real on Earth so nerve stapling was already a widespread practice.
>>324025427
>It's a challenging confrontational statement which people are motivated to argue with or against.
Who would argue against SMAC being the best? Pandora tried but failed shot. Beyond Earth didn't even try.
>>324029826
>Who would
The second reply in the thread would.
>>324029524
It's a design project. Not something that works ingame.
>>324024097
No, because water takes up a huge amount of space, allows crazy food production thanks to kelp giving +3, and just being save from everyone else till they get any presence on the water. On land deidre might have worms, but santiago has better troops and yang has industry. So everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. Meanwhile a water faction just has straight up water improvements, making it very hard to counter. The only way to balance them on water would nerf them so hard they cant function on land.
>>324025704
What does SotS does that MoO doesn't do better? The 3D maps and unique FTL drive for every race is cool, but other than that, it's an inferior MoO.
>>324026887
Nigga he only got on alpha centauri because he was one of the backers of the mission and built a secret hideout in the ship for himself. Then he used greed to get a group around him. It is a huge piramid scheme with him on top, and if he wins he can prevent law from getting to him
>>324028838
Bit sad the AI is mediocre and the combat is fun but a bit repetitive. Great game considering the limitations the makers have
Rumor is the man whose franchise this game is molested an underage girl and went to County Jail in '92. From there he's said to have told the deputies that he "Hates Niggers" and wanted moved to another cell. After he got released he was picked up for solicitation of black granny tranny prostitute. Drone Riots.
>>324030385
>Bit sad the AI is mediocre
Did you try it recently? There was an AI patch that improved things and added a bit of personality to the factions.
>>324030243
I have never played MoO but SotS is a 3d battlemap forced to the 2d plane. Ships can go in three directions but everything is biased towards a 2d plane.
Does MoO have actual kinetic motion in ship battles? THe different FTL drive doesn't just affect how you move in strategic map but also tactical map. Your ships can overshoot their destination by quite a bit if you tell em to bull-rush over there, and all weapons that do kinetic damage like cannons impart some motion onto the enemy ship when they hit.
They can also 'bounce' off the enemy armour.
>>324029367
>lal tried to clone his wife so he could fuck her again
Jesus its funny how people twist his words. Just look at the context. It was a quote from times of bereavement. Second of all the setup was obviously of a poetic notion if you look at how the wording.
He didnt say, hey I will take my wifes' corpse and clone a few one.
He said: I lost my wife and feel bereaved, but with new technology that doesnt have to be the end. What a curious thought we might never had had otherwise.
>>324029187
What the fuck is this post
>>324029669
Yeah but if you look at the techs yoyu would expect that you encover it later. The first few techs are mostly rediscoveries and research of the data on the ship. Then you get the techs that are close to it and we in the current day almost finished. Then you have futuristic tech. Why would the punishment sphere be later than the nervestaples
>>324015028
There's a patch called Insecticide that fixes AI glitching itself out and 90% of the bugs.
It makes MoM from a great game to best fantasy 4X game ever.
>>324030914
nerve stapling is a crude method
the punishment sphere effect doesnt fade after a couple uses
>>324029524
>vomiting mado.jpg
>>324030981
>There's a patch called Insecticide that fixes AI glitching itself out and 90% of the bugs.
oh?
neat
How did the AI glitch itself out before?
>>324030549
But damn could he whip up a good 4x.
I'm making a custom faction for SMAC and I want to know what I should nerf and how hard I should nerf it.
+2 Support
-2 Planet
-1 Growth
Free Rec Tanks at each base
Need Hab to exceed size 4
No -2 Support penalty from Demo
Can't run Planned
Starts with Biogenetics
>>324031607
is that supposed to be merica?
>>324031607
What's the fluff?
And I wouldn't worry too much about balance when the xfire factions are already pretty broke.
>>324031261
There's a couple:
1) Endless Engineer buying
2) AI armies going in circles
3) AI never occupying nodes
4) AI never using some of the units
5) Really shitty spell selection and repeated Dispel casts on overland enchantments that don't really hurt the AI.
6) Inability for AI to buy items from Merchants...
The list goes on and it's long. Look at the patch notes to see how much of that shit was fixed.
>>324031995
>fluff
Sorry, I don't roleplay.
>>324031807
It's an ICS / Smallpoxing faction.
>>324032101
>3) AI never occupying nodes
hm, they do though when I've played it.
Maybe I've only played with the patch without knowing.
>>324019412
He along with Aki are the only two confirmed to have robutt brains.
>>324029253
>literal mind eating fauna
>not scaring the shit outta people who value their brains above all else.
>>324030856
>>324029187
Don't know why but it has me dying right now.
>>324031995
>talking about Xfire factions
seriously just let those rest.
>>324031607
That said the amount of changes the faction does is is insane. When you look at others they shift around 2 or 3 stat points. Also -2 planet seems like a really bad nerf since you will get brainraped by worms. Growth also seems annoying.
>>324013812
>civilization series kicked off
>alpha centauri never got past its first and only expansions
>>324013812
Civilization 4 with Caveman2Cosmos. Fucking amazing.
>>324028838
endless legend is basically fall from grace 2-lite when you look at it. I do like the wildly varied factions, though.
>>324029826
A Moby Dick quote could have worked in there and probably would have fit better.
>>324034001
Still not as good as SMAC
>>324033886
Didn't sell well enough.
People want to play Egypt and build the Eiffel Tower.
>>324034001
How is the AI in CIV 4 mods? I only imagine them being more retarded than before.
anybody know where i can get civilization ll on android
seriously i need this game & i need it in a an pk do you know how many sexual favors i will go through with
>>324014834
>>324015028
>>324030981
I love MoM, but it's true that you NEED to patch it to get the best out of it.
You mentioned Insecticide, which is an adequate patch, but there is a better patch now. There's also a mod that based off of Insecticide called "Caster of Magic", which touches on just about every aspect of the game to make it a bit more interesting, fast paced, and makes the AI considerably better.
They're both by the same guy, so if you track down Caster of Magic, you shouldn't have much trouble finding the vanilla patch.
i've been dreaming of a fantasy-mod of SMAC for some time now
the basic idea would be a medieval high fantasy conversion of the visuals, fluff and sound effects while leaving the gameplay identical
Infantry would be footmen, speeders horsemen, the artillery special ability bows so you could make regular archers or mounted archers in the workshop
The Xenofungus and mindworms could be anything from Demons, Undead or other monsters. Fighting them being so horrifying that it's the equivalent of going against mindworms.
The Gaians would be a faction of witches who specialize in communing with these horrors and unleashing them on the others. Morgan leader of the Merchants Guild, Miriam leading Crusaders to wipe out evil from the land and so on.
Instead of science the techs in the game would be explained with fairly low-tech equivalents at the start, i.e. (Hologram Theatre and Energy Bank) and eventually transition into more and more magical territory.
>>324018780
WE MUST DISSENT
>>324013812
Since this is now a de facto space game thread, is anyone else hyped for Stellaris?I promise I am not Johan shilling it
I love Henrik Fahreus and his game design ideas (as distinct from the eejits that made EUIV), so a space sequel for Crusader Kings appeals to me a lot.
Here are the dev diaries to date in the event that anyone is interested:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-developer-diary-archive.882950/
>>324037617
>hard as hell xenophile militarist, equally strong spiritualist & collectivist
BURN THE HERETIC
>>324038138
*xenophobic
i get excited
>>324037617
I'm cautiously excited for the Master of Orion remake. Hoping they don't fuck it up
Never heard of this, though
>>324038138
>>324038212
Yeah, anyone that doesn't recreate the Imperium of Man is quite frankly doing itHERETICALLY
>>324033886
Didnt fireaxis get bought out and got access to the civ title once more. They made SMAC because they were new and didnt have rights to CIV
>>324037363
sounds kind of a waste to just make it a carbon copy with different skins.
