>Mfw the initial high pricepoint killed all of these new technologies at the time
>DVDs
>TVs
>Phones
>Cameras
>Video recorders
>CD players
>MP3 players
>Video game consoles
>Personal computers
>>323561832
Come back in a year after the Oculus has released.
Ask about VR, then.
I honestly think anyone who thinks VR will fail is stupid.
>>323562136
>Oculus meme
Vive will be the only good VR.
>>323561832
>attaching a screen to your face is VR
That's like calling headphones audio VR.
Also, fresh meme for you guys.
>>323562136
Yeah that high initial price point is the nail in the coffin. What was the OP about again?
>>323562252
Please improve the quality of your posts.
>>323561832
There's nothing on it that interests me that much to slap down $600. I also haven't been able to at least try it out.
>>323561832
All of these products had a clear purpose to mainstream consumers.
VR doesn't. "More immersion". That's pretty much it. The price alone doesn't matter - it just makes the situation worse. The real problem is that the device seems pointless.
Name a single game that would be IMPOSSIBLE to *play* without VR. I'm not talking about games that would be less immersive or whatever without VR, I'm talking literally unplayable without VR.
Name just one.
>>323563080
New forms of entertainment don't have purposes to mainstream consumers? Listen to what you're saying dipshit.
>>323563167
>New forms of entertainment
How is VR a "new form of entertainment" and not just a new form of display?
>>323563397
I forgot current displays have sophisticated head and motion tracking, allowing you to feel like you're actually inside the world in front of you.
Classic case of "haven't tried VR but is ready to criticize it at any opportunity"
>>323563480
>I forgot current displays have sophisticated head and motion tracking, allowing you to feel like you're actually inside the world in front of you.
If I mount a camera on top of a regular computer monitor it'll track my head movement too.
Stop trying to sugar coat what is nothing more than a more advanced and immersive type of display.
>Classic case of "haven't tried VR but is ready to criticize it at any opportunity"
Classic accusation from a VR shill.
>>323563762
You're freely admitting to not having tried it, so I'm not sure why you're here.
>>323563828
>You're freely admitting to not having tried it
This never happened.
I tried Oculus at CES. The technology is nice, but the business model is and always will be untenable.
I just don't buy into this collective delusion from VR shills and hacks that this will catch on with normies significantly more than 3D television.
That's how I smile at other white people to. Are they saying I do that because they're black, or just because I'm white? Because it's the latter.
>>323564120
If you'd actually experienced VR you'd never compare it to something like mounting a camera on top of a computer monitor. Maybe next time Rajeet.
>>323564203
It's the "sorry for slavery and all that stuff" nod.
The better question is why are you smiling at people on the street?
>>323564220
>If you'd actually experienced VR you'd never compare it to something like mounting a camera on top of a computer monitor
I never compared it. All I said was that head tracking would theoretically be possible if you mounted a camera on a monitor because head tracking alone is not that amazing.
>Maybe next time Rajeet.
That projection.
>>323564306
It's just how you acknowledge people. You give a terse smile and nod.
I don't think it will fail, but unless they learn how to make compact self contained units, Sony will be the market leader. Whether or not that will be a bad thing is something we can't tell right now, but it will absolutely happen if VR gains any sort of momentum.
>believing in the VR meme
>>323564372
You just do that to random people? I actually heard this is common in America, along with talking to people you don't know.
VR will never be more than an enthusiast technology.
More than that, it's niche within the enthusiast community.
It's a disruptive experience that separates you from your environment. This is a mall-kiosk experience. And beyond that, it has no mechanical benefit (and in many cases, brings distraction/detriment) with most genres. It's all "experience and immersion" at a high price point, with cumbersome tech.
I'm not shitting on anyone who's excited. This can bring a lot of interesting new shit, a new type of experience for some genres, and might even end up with a few great, exclusive games. But, if you think VR is the next thing, the next major platform or standard or even something that's going to maintain a major presence in the game market long term, I think that sounds pretty foolish.
>>323563828
>u dont kno if u haven't paid $600, wait three months, and have a $1200 PC to play it
>all this post purchase rationalization
I laugh every time
>>323564537
How is that not true?
>>323562252
>>323564418
Well not in a crowded city street or something, but I live in a suburb so if we're the only two people on the street and can see each other for five minutes before we pass then it's weird to not make eye contact when we do.
I know you're trolling, but all of those technologies you listed greatly improved upon the experience of the one before it. You could CLEARLY see the advantages of using one.
It's like if people had flat screen televisions back in 2002 and Samsung released a handheld television for like 1.2k. People would say "Why would I buy that when I can just use a regular TV? Too rich for my blood."
More importantly, those technologies can be used by literally anybody. Even the fucking Apple Watch can be used by literally anybody, no strings attached. The Oculus Rift requires you to have a goddamn GTX 970 or higher. That's a fraction of a percent of all people who own PCs.
>>323561832
You are not alone anon, the price is just a nonsense
>>323564715
You would know VR greatly improves the experience if you ever tried one.
>>323564306
If you're passing someone on a sidewalk or something it's just awkward to pretend not to see them and look straight forward (assuming it's not a busy area of course, in which case that's fine). So I usually end up spilling my spaghetti, not sure whether to look at them or not, and one of us will usually end up either saying Hi as we pass and/or nodding.
>>323564418
>along with talking to people you don't know
Yep. Well, it depends. It's common in the South, and I think it's somewhat common in places like New York or California where there are a lot of weird people (thus conditioning the population to not give a fuck about anything). You don't typically give people your life story or anything, but small talk and the like is fine.
>>323563167
VR isn't a new form of entertainment, it's just an alternative way to consume an old form of entertainment.
Did you think the kindle was a brand new form of entertainment?
>>323564715
>You could CLEARLY see the advantages of using one.
I see you weren't around for the "DVDs look no different" phase, kid.
The technology was clearly DOA when it asked for an R9 290 or a GTX 970.
>>323564831
Books aren't entertainment.
>>323564857
Not him, but very very few people argued against dvd being a better format.
The extra control options alone convinced people it was better than vhs.
>>323564831
>implying films are the same as books
GTFO fagget
>>323564943
I take it you've never heard of fiction.
They still make you guys read novels in school, right?
>>323564831
>it's just an alternative way to consume an old form of entertainment.
You mean like DVDs, MP3s, CDs and widescreen TVs?
>>323565047
>>implying films are the same as books
How and where did I do this?
>>323565112
In the sense that they aren't a brand new form of entertainment, yes.
Also, all of those are more or less standalone, whereas VR is an accessory requiring other more expensive equipment.
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>>323561832
this is how black people smile at you when you pass them on the street
>>323565324
Initially, yes.
>>323564857
>I see you weren't around for the "DVDs look no different" phase, kid.
DVDs had other benefits besides better picture quality.
-No more fragile tapes that get jammed.
-No more fragile tape reading heads that deteriorate more every time you run a tape.
-Bonus features
-Chapter select
-Easier storage
-And most importantly, absolutely no disadvantages compared to VHS - it wasn't a whole new paradigm anyway, it was just upgrading to the latest format - VHS was literally from the fucking 70s, people knew it was time for an upgrade.
>>323565173
the extra dimension of films over books its equal to VR over screens. Maybe not today, but that tech is able to remove the difference between play a game and be in one. I assume you have used the VR right?
>>323565426
I have, but you didn't answer my question.
How did I make the implication you claim I did? I likened books to a kindle in reference to that claim that vr is a totally new type of entertainment. I never likened it to film, and all you are doing is showing that you made a crazy mental leap all on your own.
>>323565426
>I assume you have used the VR right?
please stop using this meme
it just activates everybodies shill detectors
>>323565324
1MB RAM. 10MHz CPU. 5 lbs.
$3,000
>>323565624
It's a valid thing to say. Why would you criticize an experience you haven't tried?
>>323565376
initially yes, what?
Are you saying VR is going to somehow become standalone systems instead of an accessory to one?
>>323565720
Of course (or make significant leaps in lowering requirements). Or are you making the implication that technology doesn't improve over time?
>>323564535
>>323564715
>VR will never be more than an enthusiast technology.
To be fair, isn't that what people have said about every change in technology since the beginning of time? It's hard not to look back on History and go "Pft, of course I know better than them" but people keep making the same mistakes.
The argument that it's DoA because of the requirements is silly too. Plasmas were expensive as fuck (10K+) on release before quickly dropping in price, becoming incredibly popular, and later being replaced by LED / LCD TVs. I got a ~52" Plasma a few months ago for $300. We're seeing the same thing with 4K right now. My point is that the power-equivalent of these requirements will quickly become cheap as even more powerful technology arrives.
Technologies fail because of lack of consumer interest, and with all the competition in the VR Market already that shouldn't be a concern. PSVR will presumably be cheaper than the OR, so that alone will keep the market afloat while technology improves. And you can bet your ass that even if VR as we now know it never takes off, other applications of the technology will eventually spring up. This is something people have been dreaming of for decades, if not centuries.
So I'm going to sit back and HOPE it takes off, but I'm not going to make a claim one way or another like a retard.
>>323565621
>VR isn't a new form of entertainment, it's just an alternative way to consume an old form of entertainment.
explain this
>>323565624
>movie theaters are useless! I have an old CRT tv that works perfectly fine!
>I don't need to watch a movie in the cinema to tell it's useless! fuck off!
My freind got one of the oculus dev kits like ~2 years ago
He even had the razor hydra things that were lik wii motes
Everyone but him thought it was a dumb gimmick
I still stand by that decision
He could fucking cheat in TF2 with the hydra though by dragging them above his head and crouching he could shoot while covered
>>323565701
>It's a valid thing to say. Why would you criticize an experience you haven't tried?
because you are assuming that they haven't tried it without evidence, it's basically an ad hominium
not to mention you haven't actually addressed his point
or the very valid fact that if people need to try VR in order to understand the benefit then the product doesn't have much of a commercial future
also every single fucking VR shill says it,. it's like a goddamn clockwork
>>323565639
What's your point?
>>323561832
Vr is an accessory you fucking faggot
>>323565890
That's not how TF2 works, the hitbox is not affected by your position in VR.
>>323565794
When do you expect VR headsets to advance to the point that they will contain all the necessary computing power onboard to run then future games at expected graphical settings of that then future time?
>>323565924
Any new tech (or new form-factor of established tech like the tablet was) is expensive as fuck, so price is a poor argument.
DVDs were expensive too.
>>323561832
nonwhites have no business being in my country they should leave all of them
everyone here agrees
The dumbest shit? Releasing a product that requires a PC powerful enough to run games at 1440p/90fps on TWO screens months before new GPU's come out that would make that a lot easier and probably more affordable for people.
>>323565990
The oculus didnt matter it was the hydra
He could use both hands in surgeon simulator also
>>323566046
About 10 years max.
>>323565868
VR is just consuming video games with a depth and immersion variance. Were the 3ds and virtual boy new forms of entertainment, or were they just video games?
Are 3d movies or e books new forms of entertainment, or just variance on an old one?
It's odd that people only criticize the gaming aspects of it. VR has so many uses in medicine, business and even military applications, that's why so many businesses were tripping over themselves to fund it. It may not be the most popular gaming peripheral, but it can't "fail."
I've never tried VR, I'm not retarded enough to think that it's going to die instantly because it starts at a high price point, but I do think it's just a fad and will probably be treated more like the wiimote than the analog stick in the future.
>>323566110
The dumbest shit would be delaying it for no reason
You can just wait for the new GPU's and it'll be the same as far as you are concerned
>>323565917
This is just nonsense. People either try new technologies then buy or read hype/reviews/listen to word of mouth and buy.
"Needing to try it" isn't a barrier at all.
>>323566067
That's nice, cause my argument wasn't about that.
Maybe reread my post and try to understand the point I actually made and think about your response and how they relate.
>>323566162
So in ten years they will sell VR headsets with significantly better pc hardware than the configurations being recommended for VR today, and they will be small enough to fit on your head?
Really?
>>323566110
The processing power required for VR is about 15% higher than in a normal monitor of the same size and framerate.
>>323566456
Are you being sarcastic or is that a serious question?
>>323566067
DVDs weren't an accessory to vhs. They were a brand new format attempting to replace vhs. Vr won't replace monitors any time soon if at all.
>>323566581
No one said they would, tablets don't replace PCs for example but they are still alive and kicking.
The biggest thing that doesnt make since to me are immersion fags.
How childish do you have to be to get immersed in fiction like a 7 year old playing pretend.
>>323566456
This is entirely plausible. Do you have any idea how technology progresses?
>>323566456
Sure, look at where smartphones are right now, and they are far more constrained by form factor than VR is.
>>323561832
And all of those were shitty when they first came out but have gotten much better with time, which is why I will wait instead of buying in at the first attempt.
>>323566568
It's what I asked you before. I asked you when VR would have onboard hardware to run all their games natively at industry standard graphics and you claim this will be ten years.
I asked you again because I don't think you understand what you said and what that would mean to have that sort of hardware in a device strapped to your head.
>>323563080
Name one movie that's impossible to watch without 3d.
Name one song that's impossible to listen to without CD
Name one movie that's impossible tow atch on dvd
Name one movie that's impossible to watch wtihout color
Name one movie that's impossible to watch without a TV
See my point?
Just cause it's an improvement and not something completely new doesn't mean it'll fail.
Oculus rift allready changes almost everything when it comes to flightsims and likes.
>>323566225
>that's why so many businesses were tripping over themselves to fund it. It may not be the most popular gaming peripheral, but it can't "fail."
businesses were tripping over themselves to fund 3D television too
>>323566309
most people buy things without having tried them first
did you play all of your consoles at least once before buying it?
did you play on a PC with your graphic card before buying that graphic card?
for people to buy something they need to see the clear benefit BEFORE they try it
most people don't actually trust reviews, the research has proven it time and time again
>>323566716
It's not a choice. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
>>323561832
Oh no fuck I realized I smile to people like that.
>>323566815
VR in 10 years won't be the same as a desktop in 10 years, but VR will become the "standard" just like smartphones are the standard for mobile games.
>there are people on /v/ that hasn't been here for FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
>>323566225
>It's odd that people only criticize the gaming aspects of it.
Gee, I wonder why people would focus on the gaming aspects of a device that was originally marketed primarily for usage with videogames, developed in part by a renowned game programmer, with help from a popular game development studio, on the videogame board of 4chan instead of discussing the business applications of said device.
What a mystery.
>>323566808
Smart phones in ten years won't be as powerful as PCs now that are required for solid VR at 2015 visual standards. How will they compress hardware that will run vr games properly at 2025 visual standards to fit in a headset?
>>323566815
I'm not the same guy as the one you were talking to before, but it just seemed like an obvious "yes, technology will be better in 10 years" sort of deal, which is why I asked.
But explain what you mean, I guess.
>>323566858
>Oculus rift allready changes almost everything when it comes to flightsims
Haha no. When you descend in a virtual VR airplane can you actually feel the g-forces on your body?
Enjoy your glorified monitor.
>>323566869
Immersion makes no since to me, at all.
I play shit because its fun not for whatever reason someone could provide for being immersed.
Like shit it is obviously not fucking real, I couldnt even do this when I was 7 like I mentioned about playing pretend, all the other kids were fucking stupid.
Doesnt stop at vidya, movies, books, whatever I just dont understand these people.
>>323566810
>CD Players and MP3 players were shitty when they first came out
How does it feel to be underaged?
>>323566815
What do you think it means? More advanced and powerful computers are not heavier or hotter than their older counterparts.
>>323561832
Black people are actually mad that they can't smile like this?
lol, we're being discriminated against because we don't have gigantic cartoon lips now guys....
>>323567003
So VR will be what, 10 years behind how gaming performs technically on other systems?
>>323566858
It changes basically nothing when it comes to flight sims, it simply means you don't need a full cockpit sim around you and can instead more comfortably rely upon what is in the program.
>>323567101
You are autistic or chronically depressed.
>>323566862
>businesses were tripping over themselves to fund 3D television too
3DTV is solely used for entertainment, while VR can be appropriated for other purposes. The businesses funding it probably don't care if you use it as a virtual waifu sim or Scam Citizen box, gaming isn't its only function.
Also, your comparison is silly because 3DTV had a severe lack of content. TV shows would only occasionally have 3D airings, usually for special events. Meanwhile Occulus already has a ton of content and it's not even officially out yet. There's really no comparison between the two.
what about betamax
>>323567123
They also aren't radically smaller.
How much smaller is your gaming pc today than your gaming pc ten years ago?
It's not, hell your video card is probably larger.
>>323567087
>Haha no. When you descend in a virtual VR airplane can you actually feel the g-forces on your body?
Well of course you don't actually feel G-Force (that's some future shit), but I remember someone saying that they felt g-force when they were testing a VR Rollercoaster sim. I can't say for sure since I haven't used VR, but then, neither can you.
>>323566903
Don't even feel bad. I guess some black guy thought white people only smile at nogs like that, but if it's someone you're just passing on the street, that kind of slightly curt formality smile is all you need to give.
>>323566808
You do know that Moore's Law is absolutely dead right?
By 2020 we will have reached the limits to how thin silicon can be fabbed without breaking the laws of physics.
Unless a newer material is ready by then, there will be stagnation in improving computer processing speeds and/or miniaturizing.
>>323567087
What kinda casual doesn't play flightsims
>>323566225
>why are people talking about video games on a video game board
Never change /v/
>>323567196
how? arent it usually the autist that get wrapped in fiction?
My best friends kid is super autistic and has pretended to be a velociraptor for like the last 5 years for 80% of the time
>>323561832
>>Phones
>>Cameras
>>Video recorders
>>CD players
>>MP3 players
all dead and replaced with he Apple badge, though.
>>323567162
Maybe not, smartphones and tablets exist purely for the portability but since you only really need a room for VR it doesn't really need to be standalone.
I predict AR goggles will be standalone while VR will always be a peripheral, wires are not a problem since wireless VR is perfectly possible even today.
>>323567226
>Meanwhile Occulus already has a ton of content
None of it is good content
>>323565805
>VR will never be more than an enthusiast technology.
>To be fair, isn't that what people have said about every change in technology since the beginning of time?
>appeal to history
>ever
no
>>323567180
>It changes basically nothing when it comes to flight sims, it simply means you don't need a full cockpit sim around you and can instead more comfortably rely upon what is in the program.
>you can now do without building an 20,000 dollar aircraft cocpit around you
>instead you need this 600 dollar face mounted dual monitor and sensor system to get similiar effect, an effect much greater and way more immersive than Track IR
>not changing everything
ok
>>323567425
>phones are dead
the shit I hear on this board
>>323567516
What a comeback, anon.
>>323567101
You seem like a very dull individual tbqh
>>323567347
what is quantum processing
>>323567101
You enjoy media because you become immersed in it, you fucking clown
>>323561832
We smile like that because we're not happy to see you
>>323567615
>what is speculative technology
>>323567087
You won't but sensory hallucinations due to vision and sound are a real thing.
Hell, looking at a wound hurts more than the wound itself.
>>323567347
Oh come on, that's just like the people who say PC/Xbone/PS4/WiiU is shit because they have no good games, it's a lazy criticism. VR already has a fuckload more content than 3D ever did, anyone could find something to use it for.
>>323567703
>We smile like that because we're not happy
ftfy
>>323567602
regular telephones and standalone phones are pretty dead, they were replaced by integrated devices and became a feature rather than their own thing.
>>323566858
>Oculus rift allready changes almost everything when it comes to flightsims and likes.
Not at all.
TrackIR already does great for flight sims, arguably even better because one can still look at your flight plan
>>323567668
No I enjoy it because I find it good/interesting.
When Im playing DMC I dont think Im a fucking demon hunter whos diet consist of pizza
When I watch jurassic park I dont feel fear for the TV dinosaurs
When I read the hobbit Im not afraid the ogres are going to eat me
none of this has any impact on me in the real world
>>323567705
>speculative
You know it already exists, right?
>>323567347
quantum processors
not even memeing, quantum computers already halve binary values. Its what octo is to byte
>>323567425
>phone, any works really.
>DSLR/any camera with a decent lens
>DSLR/gopro/actual cameracorder
>cd players. Until music stops being sold on a CD, CD players and readers will never fall out of fashion.
>high definition media players
For general dr beats by mr dre/apple/foxnews user, the laymen, a smartphone can fill all these requirements, hell even do what a computer does - social media.
But if you are even moderately serious in any of these, you need a real tool.
>>323567347
You can find hundreds of quotes by famous scientists and engineers saying technology or science will stagnate, and they're always wrong. It's never a good idea to bet against technological progress.
>>323567347
There are lots of potential materials for replacing silicon, it's far from a dead-end.
>>323562252
andd so the question comes naturally...
have you even tried it?
>>323561832
I have tried the development kit playing some exploration based pseudo games, as I like to call it. I'm not impressed in the least though I've heard about a guy managing to get it to work with HL2. I'm not giving a damn at least until I get to try that.
>>323567838
Nobody thinks like that. That's not what immersion means.
>>323567979
I was just memeing. :^)
>>323568024
then please fucking explain because this has all stemmed from me not seeing the appeal of VR because everyone throws around the word "immersion"
>>323567910
not him, but you can't say standalone cd players aren't already out of fashion.
Very very few people use them outside of cars, which is the holdout that's really keeping these things around, and with more new cars adding mp3 player connectivity that's going to only keep decreasing.
Hell the cd section at my best buy is 10% of what it was 12 years ago.
>>323567347
>implying we won't start etching single silicon atoms into entire logic gates
get on the next level, senpai
>>323567858
You know it hasn't been demonstrated to work any faster than a traditional computer right?
>>323567949
>argument from history
>>323567952
True but will it be ready in time? And will it be able to work faster?
>>323561832
>Personal computers
Actually, it kinda did, it was nothing but glorified calculator with office type of programs on it.
Only until price was dropped to sane levels did computers start to be relevant in every day use.
as VR is consumer electronic from the get go, this is a huge problem for VR.
>>323567838
You are extremely autistic.
Like, you have no conceptual understanding of the human mind and instincts at all.
>>323568098
You feel like you are placed in the world because of the combination of technologies, not just viewing the world on a monitor. If you use a roller coaster demo on Oculus for example you get butterflies.
>>323568196
>argument from history
That's no argument, that's greentexting.
Once again: explain.
>>323568201
because I dont play pretend?
>>323568259
Except I didnt, my friend had an oculus and the hydra and had all sorts of little things like that for it
Not once did the fact I had a monitor attatched to my face get past me.
>>323568274
He's not insulting you here, he's using the word in a literal sense. If you really don't understand, there's a good chance you're autistic (assuming it's not a semantic issue).
>>323568268
I don't have to say anything because your assertion was based on faulty logic (If some people in the past said X about Y and X about Y was wrong, then a person in the present saying X about Z means that they are wrong too).
>>323562252
why is there a sensor dot on his penis
it's too small to accurately keep track of
>>323568274
It's not a matter of "pretending", when you sense something, even if you know it's fake, your body and mind will react accordingly.
Your body gearing up to adrenaline mode because of jump scares is a very primitive form of this for example.
>>323568516
haptic feedback
>>323568134
Yeah.
Books may be obsolete as well but people still buy and read them.
People who actually listen to music tend to buy CD's. CD stores will still be around for quite a while.
>>323568554
Jump scares havent phased me since I was like 13
And the whole point is that I know its fake and have no reaction to it because it is fake.
Ive dealt with real scary shit like getting tossed into an alligator infested lake and getting shot at by niggers while I didnt have my gun on me.
>>323568765
books are not obsolete, what are you talking about?
>>323568394
You haven't tried it
>>323564535
>VR will never be more than an enthusiast technology.
Possibly, but I doubt it won't eventually see mainstream use once it reaches a certain leve. Though the same technology will be used for AR, which will guaranteed never remain an enthusiast technology.
>>323568765
They'll be very niche though, like cassette tapes. Unlike vinyl, which can be superior to digital sometimes because of compression/loudness issues, CD's don't really offer any advantage to digital.
>>323568803
Wow you sound like a real stone-cold badass anon. Remind me not to mess with you.
>>323569139
Im just trying to ask whats the big deal with this shit and people keep trying to say fiction is scary anon.
>>323568803
Lack of emotion and reduced reactions to events is a classic symptom of depression, your body's reflexive responses get dulled - even basic stuff like sweating.
Also people that had previous traumatic experiences are far more sensitive to jump scares so your "real scary shit" isn't really relevant.
>>323568803
Please stop writing fanfiction for yourself
>>323569270
You probably can't understand with your unstoppable force of will and penis that has been inside many ladies.
>>323569130
CD is simply a container of digital information.
>>323561832
>>Video game consoles
were mostly cheaper on release than now
>>323565379
Not having to rewind your tapes every time would have been enough to warrant the switch
This thread feels like the post-release Wii U threads all over again. How people were really defending the gamepad and it's vaguely-possible benefits for immersion in gaming.
>>323569130
>Tapes
>Digital
ok, buddy
>>323568446
If I say that an Apple will fall down because it has always fallen down before, I would also technically be wrong. But if I say that I think the apple will fall down based on previous experience and knowledge, it's a completely fair assumption. One that will generally hold true due to the Law of Gravity.
So while I can't truthfully say that a way to get past the future limitations of Transistors WILL be discovered, it's an incredibly reasonable conclusion for someone to reach. You even make that clear in your post when you say the technology will stagnate IF no newer material is ready by then, and since we already know about a few different incredibly promising potential technologies on the horizon, I'll say again that it's a fair stance to take.
My post (>>323565805) makes this clear too.
>So I'm going to sit back and HOPE it takes off, but I'm not going to make a claim one way or another like a retard.
>>323567303
it's the "look at this stupid nignog face"
>>323569448
Have you ever used one?
>>323569448
I don't think anyone has ever tied the Wii U game pad to immersion ever.
>>323567787
more IQ = more knowledge = more things to worry about
>>323569503
So would you say that it's **very probable** that we will break the speed of light barrier because we broke the sound barrier?
>>323569496
I think you misread my post. I wasn't calling tapes digital. i was saying CDs had no advantage over things like phones or streaming. Vinyl does, objectively in certain cases. Cds will become extremely niche as cassette tapes have become.
I tried the Gear VR at Best Buy, and for a hundred dollars, that's worth it if only to watch 360 Youtube videos.
I think the lower priced VR like Gear and Cardboard will take off, because even normies are okay paying that much for novelties.
>>323561832
GUYS GUYS I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
Are the porn games any good on VR? If not I don't give a fuck about "immersion" in my vidya any more than I already do.
>>323569702
No, I would say you're a fucking retard with no argument.
>>323569796
Dude sex epic
>>323568954
>the same technology will be used for AR
What, the same technology they're using right nor for VR? There is literally zero chance of that happening. You can't see shit through lenses like those.
>>323569448
I think most of the hype for VR will die down as soon as people actually use one outside of trade shows and so can mess around with them for more than 15 minutes.
Most of the Oculus development kit units are already collecting dust in people's homes.
>>323569702
No because the two are not comparable at all, speed of sound is just a matter of getting faster while speed of light is a physical impossibility.
Using new materials for transistors is not physically impossible and actually a very doable thing that many companies are working.
>>323569796
>3DPD
>Good
>>323569785
Yeah, number-wise it'll be mobile VR > console VR > PC VR
Quality-wise it'll be the other way around of course
>>323569760
>i was saying CDs had no advantage over things like phones or streaming
But they have, phones and streaming are not storage devices while CD is.
>Vinyl does, objectively in certain cases
No, all vinyl does is introduces distortion to recording, it's not lossless or great quality, it's analog storage device, with is always shit quality when it comes to audio.
>>323569796
Yeah, I hope it lets me listen to soundboards of different farts and lets me watch Family Guy as well.
But then, the only things that matters is sex right? XD haha
>>323569982
its not 3dpd if it was never recorded with a camera
most vr porn right now is, though
>>323569546
>>323569646
My brothers got one for Christmas and it came with the Nintendoland disc. Asymmetrical multiplayer was interesting, but it didn't seem like Nintendo had a killer idea of what to do with the gamepad and were throwing ideas at the wall to see what might stick. Even the first-party releases after launch became 'regular non-waggle games you can play on a tablet' or 'regular non-waggle games you can see the map/inventory for on your tablet' - forcing a square peg into a round hole. The games people cite for the Wii U even now - Mario Kart, Smash, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101 - are games that use the gamepad itself as an afterthought at best. And to me that's the same scenario 3D and virtual reality are stuck in. Nice additions or afterthoughts but they don't change the market, like the DVD or the NES or the Wii did.
>people still think vr isn't just a gimmick
I bet you retards have a 3D TV, laserdiscs, and cases of Pepsi clear.
>>323569796
what the fuck happened to you /v/?
>>323570307
CRYSTAL PEPSI WAS THE SHIT
FUCK YOU KYKE
>>323570304
Most people who have tried VR seem to agree that it delivers a qualitatively different experience, though.
>>323561832
VR will not really catch on because normies don't want to have something strapped to their face while playing. How to reach your drink and snacks? You are blind to everything but the game.
I'm not saying VR is bad. In fact it's pretty darn wild. But I have no faith. It's for hardcore gamers only and casuals is where the money is.
>>323570307
I do have 3D TV, it's just LCD TV with 120 refresh rates.
>>323570447
Porn was never excluded from /v/. But the fact that he doesn't care about vidya is deplorable.
>>323570014
I've already seen the View-Master VR on Target shelves for 30 dollars. It's literally just a plastic google cardboard viewer for kids, so it's not great, but that's a highly accessible price to anyone who has a smartphone. This sort of thing will sell.
>>323570508
most people who have tried VR have either only spent 5 minutes with it or are shills with development kits and vested interests
>>323570307
I got my EYETOY®, I'm ready for VR™
>>323570532
Buy a Vive which has a frontal camera you dummy.
>>323568843
because why read books when you have PDF and ebook reades. They are obsolete technically speaking as one ebook reader can contain an entire library and still weigh 150 grams, while visually being close to actual paper.
But people still buy books despite them being obsolete and inferior and unecological because the ebook doesn't feel as good as a book.
I just want to escape my shitty reality as thoroughly as I can short of committing suicide. Why do some anons think that's so wrong? I can't even afford to upgrade my computer for a VR headset, let alone buy one of the things, but I thought most of /v/ would share my need for the most intense escapism possible.
I feel like all I've seen is people talking about how overpriced the headsets are, and how it's a trending phase meme technology that will die off like 3D televisions. I won't claim these are wrong, since everyone is entitled to their feelings on the matter of changing media landscapes, but I really thought I would see more positivity from /v/ about niche tech aimed at nerds for the sole purpose of maximizing escapism.
>>323570737
Because they require no batteries and they are portable, they do not have backlight and they don't strain your eyes.
books have million of cons when comparing to electronic counterparts, they will never fucking die.
>>323570653
And if they sell, phone companies will start thinking about giving their phones better IMUs, allowing apps low-level OS access to reduce latency, maybe even adding low-persistence screens. Something like google cardboard, for a phone designed with VR in mind, could very well be as good as a Gear VR.
>>323570508
>Most people
>seem to agree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
>>323570968
/v/ is full of underaged normies that never tried VR, that's why.
>Dude nobody has a DVD player
I'll only jump on the VR bandwagon when its some legitimate VR room / chamber. Spy Kids shit.
Not interested in having a 10 ton glorified viewmaster hanging off my face so I can play indie jumpscare fests and first party 'experiences' where I walk through a field of daisies and contemplate my sexuality.
>>323570968
>/v/
>nerds
What year do you think it is, anon?
>>323570968
why do you want to stay hooked up to a machine
just go, be a vegetable elsewhere
>>323571159
You mean room scale? Vive does that.
>>323570968
Fact is, I think a lot of people are just upset they don't have the disposable income to be able to spend it on things like VR if they so choose. Plus, opinions.
I can't honestly say I've never told someone not to play a game, or that the game they like is shit.I do it all the time.
>>323571159
how hard is it for /v/ to not talk about something until they've tried it?
>>323571256
And so does Rift. But he probably means something more like a fucking holodeck that lets you walk around arbitrarily far and touch things.
>>323565353
Good one. Very original and funny.
>>323562252
>That's like calling headphones audio VR.
>>323571346
>Poorfag neets
>Trying expensive shits
>>323571380
So the joke is that the audio aspect of VR tends to be completely overlooked by people who don't know what they're talking about?
>>323564120
>I went to CES and came back here to shitpost
GOoD SHIt ThaTS SoME GOoD SHIt RiGhT ThEre
>people in this very thread are putting VR on the same level as DVD's or phones
Could you shill a little quieter please? I heard the same shit about the Wiimote, the same shit about touch controls, the same shit about camera vidya, the same shit about the fucking Steam console and pad, and ALL of them either flopped, or were reduced to gimmicks. VR isn't the future, it's the latest spicy meme and anyone thinking otherwise needs to pull their head out of their ass and re-join the real world.
>>323571370
Rift doesn't do it properly at a good scale.
And don't fucking post that article or Palmer's nebulous tweet.
>>323571479
Follow your own advice if you're going to refer to everything as a meme.
>>323571346
Fuck you dude.
I don't WANT to give it a try. Everyone doesn't have to like what you like. Am I an informed consumer that has extensively tried the product and can review its pros and cons fairly? No, because I think it's fucking dumb.
Welcome to the real world, where people don't like things.
>>323571642
>I don't WANT to give it a try.
Even if it's a free demo at a hardware store or something?
No one telling you to buy one before trying.
>>323571346
Why don't you try chemically castrating yourself?
You're not really in a position to discredit it until you try it after all.
>>323571815
/v/'s analogies never disappoint.
>>323564715
U don't need a powerful pc to use oculus rift. just don't use the highest graphic settings. I have a laptop with a 970m and 1.3 HDMI ports and a i7 cpu, so i'll be fine.
>>323571479
Let me guess: You are a consolebabby that thinks the latest AAA game is the height of entertainment achieved by humanity.
>>323561832
>tfw I tell people not to even bother if that's the best smile they can muster
People's reactions when you call them on their shit is kinda funny.
>>323571642
Chill out. All that was asked of you is to not run your fucking mouth about something you haven't even tried, not to go out right this moment and put down hundreds of dollars on it.
You're like the SJWs trying to censor games they don't play AKA you have no business in this conversation and would be better off just ignoring it.
>>323571872
>m
I'm at a university with VR shit and I still don't care
I just don't really care...
>>323566110
I thought it was 90fps over all, 45 per eye? Is this not the case?
>>323570098
Look up loudness wars. While I don't care about analog recording and don't own a record player, there are reasons to own vinyl besides being a hipster. Many digital songs are compressed way too much, however due to the physical limitations of records the sound can only be compressed so much. This means vinyl can sound "better" at normal volumes than something you hear digitally.
>1939
Cutting edge technology.
>>323566110
Dumbest shit? Not using already standardized products and instead jacking up the price because of muh apple designzzzzz
let's hope the fucking vive learns
>>323571998
>45 per eye
It's not fucking shutter glasses, both eyes are 90 fps and rendered at the same time.
>>323571627
At this point VR is a meme with how much /v/ is throwing it around and acting like it's the second coming of high def. It's a gimmick that will die out in a few years just like every other gimmick forced by faggots.
>>323571901
Ebin. Does that thought make it easier for you? Would it upset you if I said I'm an idort with a rig that's probably far more powerful than yours.
Whoops, there goes that comment.
>>323571642
If you don't want to try it, you don't have to try it.
That doesn't change the fact that talking about something when you're not informed about it, as you stated, is silly. Just ignore it and move on, as you seem to want to do. It's best for both parties, is it not?
>>323561832
That's how white people smile at me in downtown LA. When I lived in the South I usually got something more genuine or even a greeting, even by the cops. LA cops are racist as fuck.
>>323572015
That's just audio engineers being retarded, not something inherently better in vinyl.
>ITT: Poorfags
>>323561832
how do black people want whites to smile?
>>323561832
Dumb preorder drones will get their VR kit and notice that they cannot use it because they get motion sick easily. I cant wait.
>ctrl+f: $599
>0 results
>ctrl+f: PS3
>0 results
Proof that /v/ is full of millennials now.
>>323571908
It's not hard to smile, whether or not you're genuine.
But maybe I just smile too much.
>>323571998
>>323572143
Yeah it's 90 for both. I've heard that it doesn't even use a system like interlaced or progressive for rendering to the screen, it does everything in sync.
>>323572294
I would hope you would at least try out VR at an event or the Gear at Best Buy before spending money, but I know people really are that stupid.
>>323572313
Or maybe this thread isn't full of memespouting retards who want to rehash an 8-year-old dead joke?
>>323572313
It was already repeated ad nauseam when the price was announced.
>>323572143
But it renders different images for each eye.
>>323571313
I guess some part of me just thought this one would be different. Sure, I expected some people to be against it, but I expected those people to be seen as contrarians who refuse to try impressive new options for gaming. I didn't think they would make up what seems to be the majority opinion.
It's not even that I'm bothered by the negative comments about the technology. No, I understand where most of these people are coming from, but I figured there would be a fair few more enthusiasts trying to talk about the possibilities of the technology. There are some here and there, of course, but the negativity is simply everywhere.
>>323572313
Do you even know what a millennial is?
>>323572313
The ironing
>>323572294
People that get motion sick say that you get used to it after a few uses. But all the people puking at first is definitely going to make the news.
>>323572313
So what are you saying?
It will sell poorly at 600 dollars, but start doing good after it drops in price?
>>323572447
Yes but thanks to optimizations and such the performance cost is only about 15% instead of double,.
>>323572525
No, he's buttblasted because people aren't making PS3 jokes.
