>Japs create game full of excellent boss fights
>western devs literally can't come up with one good boss fight
Explain this shit, /v/.
>>322572028
I'd say witcher 3 had great bosses
>>322572028
boss fights are a stupid and outdated mechanic
>>322572169
Said no one ever.
Boss fights are too videogamey
>>322572090
slav is not western
Focus groups hate boss fights
>Where is the Dew? Where is the Doritos?
They say
So they are taken out of western games, or made into QTEs
Western devs don't have to make good video games anymore.
Just pour millions into marketing and the games sell no matter the quality.
>>322572227
>go to subway
>order a footlong meatball marinara sub
>sandwich artist goes to ring you up
>he transforms into a 20 foot tall robot
>you have to defeat him before you can enjoy your sub
That's how retarded you sound like right now
>>322572028
Western devs hate having to come up with an interesting mechanic for each fight that isn't "you slash/shoot it to death for 10 minutes." Or they just cop out and make bosses QTEs.
>>322572227
Bioware literally said that.
I liked the final boss of New Vegas where you could talk no jutsu him into leaving
>>322572359
Is it one guy who keeps making shitty posts like these?
Seriously stop it.
>>322572359
>sandwich artist
Holy fuck
outside of Ys, Metal Gear and DMC3, I can't recall any good boss fights from Japanese games. Majority of them come down to what >>322572381
said about "slash'n'shoot for 10 minutes".
>>322572587
I work at Subway and we're literally called Sandwich Artists.
If you're good enough, you can become a Sandwich Artist PRO.
>>322572359
That sounds fucking awesome though.
How big of a faggot do you have to be to not want to fight a 20 foot tall robot?
>>322572359
>not being hyped as fuck that you get to fight a Decepticon
pleb
>>322572169
Lots of games make it seem that way, because they do them so poorly. The Souls series has a history of doing bosses so well. Platinum and Clover do boss battles perfectly, too. Boss battles no longer exist, because developers are so focused on their "Cinematic" gameplay.
>>322572453
I shot him in the head from the area entrance
>>322572359
depends. are all my friends from around the world cheering me on?
>>322572359
>not enjoying a sub on the remains of a 20 foot tall robot
how else are you going to work up an apatite?
>>322572560
>go to subway
>order a six" teriyaki chicken sub
>sandwich artist goes to ring you up
>he suddenly starts making food analogies
>he does this for every customer
>>322572028
All of revengance's boss fights were mashing parry while you and someone in black and red competed to be the most edgy.
>>322572727
Correction, sorry.
Boss battles still exist, obviously, but they're not as prevalent. My bad.
I should try proof-reading the bullshit I spit out into the keyboard.
>>322572853
>apatite
:/
>>322572404
kind of funny how they somehow managed two pretty decent boss fights in the Inquisition DLC
>>322572595
>Souls games
>Platinum games
>Ninja Gaiden games
>Zelda games
Don't be retarded.
>>322572934
It's french for appetite.
>>322572674
Your Jalapeño bread never has enough jalapeños on it.
But really, bosses aren't realistic enough.
>>322572934
fuck auto correct
>>322572028
say what now?
>>322572934
maybe the robot is made of apatite shithead
>>322573029
>majority of them come down to shoot/slash them for 10 minutes
Just finished pic related last night. The bosses were fun, but screw everything about The Forgotten One and its cheap weak points that require air attacks where your only evade mechanic is useless because you keep hitting his shoulder.
God of War isn't a japanese game, is it? I don't quite remember. That one had great bosses.
>>322573435
so did you never play them or what
Hello.
>>322573119
>But really, bosses aren't realistic enough.
Amazing b8, Boss. Great work.
S
>>322572028
>>322572901
>go to Subway
>five dollar footlongs no longer exist
>feel empty inside
>>322572359
what the
>>322573553
They aren't a realistic concept, the west wants REALISM not silly things like creativity and fun.
>>322572359
>food analogy
>sandwich artist
>>322573584
worst boss of all time coming through
>>322572028
Jack of Blades mother fucker
>>322572595
Honestly, isn't that an essence of what the genre boils down to? A boss is supposed to obey the same rules as normal enemies, the trick is in reading their patterns and knowing how to approach them, what to block, what to evade, what to shoot, when to shoot it, there's little point in having a boss fight that suddenly changes to being a completely different genre of gameplay.
That's why things like puzzle bosses that are not about fighting a strong creature you have to deal with but instead do nonsense such as "press these levers in the right order to open a trapdoor that will kill it" are just not fun and definitely not memorable.
>>322573817
But anon thats not Emperor Doel.
>>322573817
That's not Halo 4's boss.
>>322573794
the west is legit destroying video games tbqh
when will they learn? what happened to Carmack's innovation and shit?
>>322573982
dumdums buy shit up with their disposable income
basically there is no reason innovate
>>322573910
>>322573914
see you're wrong because I'm pretty sure both of those bosses require at least a little more than pressing one button every couple seconds for 15 minutes, after an interminably long dungeon
>>322574118
>people that like things i don't like are dumb
Grow up
>>322572359
Why do you do this?
>>322572237
yea it is
if Japan is the eastern world then anything west of the Ural mountains is also the western world
>>322572359
>fighting giant robots isn't fun
Get out.
>>322572169
>>322572727
Get to the place. Win the game.
Vidyas have gotten so fucking easy in recent years, it makes it really hard to justify playing them. If all anyone wants is a cinematic experience just watch some other faggot play it on youtube.
Entirely different gameplay philosophies.
Also, boss battles suck as a concept, too videogamey.
>>322574541
>my video game is too much like a video game
How did we go from bosses like Longshoremen X to literally no bosses.
>>322574541
The plebbiest post on /v/ right now.
>>322572090
What are you talking about? The boss fights in TW3 were garbage.
>>322574701
>i like mayonnaise
>so that means i want to eat 20 pounds of it a day
:/
>>322572028
sans from undertale was neat.
if youre expecting AAA western devs to be good anymore you're delusional. Western indies on the other hand arnt as bad.
>>322574541
>too videogamey
>in a fucking videogame.
People like you are the reason west AAA resorts to fucking qte fights, just to make it as "cinematic" as possible
>>322574821
that doesnt make any fucking sense
i am taking the b8 arent i
youre really good at your job
>>322574821
>>322572359
Whoever the two of you are, I hope you're in this to make the world burn. If you're going to do wrong, at least do it right.
A year or six months from now when /v/ has every single thread being flooded by food analogies that contribute nothing to the discussion and it's become a self-perpetuating engine, I hope that's at least the result you're looking for.
>>322572227
10/10
5 stars out of 5
100% metacritic
You win the Oscar
Congratulations mr president here's Nobel prize
>>322574863
I didn't say anything about cinematics.
Video games started as computer programs on terminal screens, and should have stayed that way.
Action games all suck as a paradigm.
>>322574798
>they were shit because I said so therefore they don't count
>If I close my eyes all the bosses that are good from western devs don't exist
>>322572169
You're not being serious are you?
>>322572708
>decepticon
>not macross mecha
You're the pleb fagboy
>>322575263
>they are good because I say so
>>322572359
You know videogames don't work the same as reality right?
well done boss fights are fun and videogames are meant to be that. FUN.
>>322573794
Legitimately curious- how are they not realistic? You have animal packs/herds in nature that have alphas/leaders who tend to be stronger or faster than the rest. In human society, there's hierarchy everywhere whether it's corporate/business, traditions/societies etc and they have the concept of leaders/people on the top as well. Aren't those technically what video game bosses are?
>>322575440
>lets ignore every single boss because it doesn't help my narrative
you're literally arguing over a fucking opinion.
>>322575147
people move on, people want some kind of story or a way they know that shit is about to hit the fan. Boss battles do that, however I will say that said battle feels forced if defeating it requires mechanics outside of the game's system. I'd much rather have the boss battle focus on your mastery of said mechanics.
>>322575579
Pls list some western good bosses or games with good bosses from the past 5 years.
>>322574494
>If all anyone wants is a cinematic experience just watch some other faggot play it on youtube.
THANK YOU ANON. Someone had to say it. It's what I've argued for years. I don't want a damn movie. I want a video game. If your game is story heavy or filled with non-playable parts, then it's failed.
>>322575520
But if the gameplay isn't realistic then the fun isn't either. Why would you waste time having artificial fun?
>>322572359
Going by your logic, I had to fight a shitload of smaller enemies just to get to the Subway, so why wouldn't I be prepared to fight the giant one?
>>322575798
If I wanted realism I'd go outside
>>322572359
I'm gonna put this in my game, thanks anon
>MGR
>"full of great boss fights"
Monsoon was probably the closest thing to a good fight in that game. The Mistral and Senator fights had some cool use of dynamic music but the fights themselves were mediocre.
>>322576082
Sam was the best boss fight by a mile
>>322574494
>>322572727
If you stopped circle jerking for five minutes you'd realize that several Nintendo IPs as well as indie games do boss fights just fine.
>>322576127
Except he wasn't and the only good thing about that fight was the setting.
westerners don't make games anymore, only interactive movies and indie pixelshit shovelware
>>322576163
>Nintendo
>Western
>>322575798
>if the gameplay isn't realistic then the fun isn't realistic either.
So you mean that if a game is not realistic is not fun?
What a shit taste
>>322572028
Pic related is the best explanation imo
>>322576082
Same, a lot of what makes the bosses in MGR so good is the presentation of the characters, their BGM, and their locale.
Even then, Platinum being weak still does bosses better than most western devs.
>>322575798
Realistic or not you're still wasting time
>>322576082
Whats a game with good bosses then anon?
>>322576269
So basically western obsession with realism, even when it comes to the fantastical?
>>322572359
Will it be some random Pakistani or Hindu who shits on designated streets? Because those are the only people I see at subways and dunkin donuts everywhere here. Thank god they wear gloves.
>>322576269
I still have trouble believing Capcom allowed DmC to ship.
You know what would really help, if all you people saying that this or that game didn't actually have good boos fights would actually explain WHY you believe that to be the case. Otherwise it becomes an endless sequence of "yes it had", "no it hadn't"
>>322576189
"The Only Thing I Know Is Real" is GOAT, pleb.
>Japanese average boss fight
>Stylized and uniquely designed character that has a roll in the story
>Use your knowledge of the game's mechanics to exploit the enemy's weaknesses and put your skills to the test
>Western Final boss
>Big dumb orc/goblin goons
>Kill 3 of the same bullet sponge mini bosses you've already previously fought
>>322572028
killing floor 1 or 2
now go away
>>322572674
>Enter subway
>Ask for a chesse sandwich
>The "xXx sandwich artist PRO 360 noscope xXx" calls me a fucking noob and to go to a pub
>>322575067
It's always been an effective strategy, Anon. Take something that means nothing, and paste it into every thread until the newer members think it's always been here.desu i crack up everytime i see a food analogy, great to see the birth of an epic new meme again :^)
>>322573476
Nope, GoW is made by santa monica studios, and owned by Sony. LoS was made by Spaniards and I was pleasantly surprised it did a decent job of being a clone while managing to make its own universe, loved everything about Lords. Though I haven't played the dlc and I definitely will NEVER touch the sequel.
>>322576858
It's like putting pepperoni on every single slice of pizza you eat even if it doesn't mesh with the other ingredients.
>>322576232
Not him, but the Prime games had good bosses.
>retro studios
>>322576163
>dat qt dragon
why is minimalist qt the best qt
>>322577149
I think that's in a bit of a grey area since they're a first-party developer founded as a subsidiary
>>322573029
>Zelda
stfu kid, go back to your shitty repetitive bosses "uhh you found the weakspot, good! now hit it 3 times exactly and the boss will blow up!"
Zelda has some of the shittiest, most dissapointing boss battles in the history of japanese games.
>>322572359
But what if the fight with the 20 foot tall robot is more enjoyable than eating the sub?
Checkmate
>this thread
:/
>>322576928
>Though I haven't played the dlc and I definitely will NEVER touch the sequel.
I'm curious, why not, Anon? I'm currently playing through the sequel, it seems to have cleaned up the gameplay nicely. The games are TERRIBLE for the franchise's continued existence, a pointless reboot that did NOT need to exist, but in their own merits, they stand up well as action games.
Really surprised that it was made by a spanish studio though, it's not usually a country associated with videogames and it makes me even more impressed that the final product had such great production values in pretty much every aspect except the story.Also considering Kojima had a hand in it, it's a foreshadowing for the story disaster that was Big Boss in MGSV. Dracula had pretty much NO reason to turn evil and spends most of the first game as a saintly person despite the game constantly yapping about how much he's fallen to darkness.
Beyond Good and Evil had good bosses
I've assumed that boss fights don't focus group well so no western games have them. If some 80 year old man on his death bed can't beat it then they remove it or severely nerf it.
Bosses are probably considered "toxic" now too lmao
>>322577714
Did you played the DLCs of the first game?
They literally explain why he becomes evil, with a dead to rights reason.
>>322576858
I just want people to realize the possible consequences of what they're doing, and be ready to accept them. The biggest cancers come from the humblest origins. Wonder how the Anon who came up with Advice Dog feels about the plague that it spawned.
Proof that Japanese games are the future. Why haven't you started learning Japanese?
>>322578035
Eventually they all die. The Advice Dog is only kept on life support because of leddit's clinging obsession to old 4chan shit.
>>322577714
>Dracula had no reason to turn evil
>Gabe goes to the castle
>finds that kid vampire
>they find out a super powerful being is trying to return to earth to kill everything
>once it reaches earth, its unstoppable.
>have to kill it in the prison realm thing
>living beings cant go into the prison realm thing
>vampire kid turns you into a vampire so that you can get in
>being a vampire means losing your humanity, meaning losing your good qualities as a fucking human like love and compassion
>by the end of the dlc gabe is fucking ruthless
>he catches the power of the guy he's trying to kill and kills him with his own hands
>returns to earth.
Of course he was going to be evil anon.
Its actually one of my favorite vidya quotes
"Such a sad tale is ours, a tale of heroes who strove to save humanity, only to lose their own."
Bosses are an outdated concept
Weebs just don't get it and neither will those fucking Japs
Western devs have the right idea, bosses just too "gamey"
>>322572359
I hope Subway analogies become the top 2016 meme.
>>322578582
Games need to be more Cinematic :^)
>>322577896
Yes I did, and no they don't. They explain why he turned into a VAMPIRE, but they don't explain why necessarily he'd abandon the goodness of his heart that was basically enough to burn Satan to ashes by itself and lead armies of night horrors to raze villages while ruling as lord of Castlevania.
Unless the justification is literally that the vampire/forgotten one powers brainwashed him into being evil, in which case I don't consider a saintly character sacrificing himself by being injected by a syringue of evil and turning into a bastard a good successor to the first Dracula, who was an extremely pious man driven hateful by the contradiction of God's works taking the thing he loved the most from him while he was far away in the east doing His work, and then deciding to oppose everything that He stands for for eternity while entirely conscious of what he was doing.
Also the only good thing about the DLC is playing as loli vampire and sucking enemies dry.
>whyboner.jpg
>>322575147
didn't rogue have "boss" fights though...
>>322578831
Its basically what you said.
The vampirism killed the good in him, that with the failure to save his wife.
However im really not about to defend this game plot, this is the game that had a fucking "the cake is a lie" in 2011
>>322579284
Also, three separate instances of "we are not so different, you and I"
Or actually, I think it was four.
Or five is Satan also said it. Can't quite recall.
>>322572359
>le food analogy
Make it stop
>>322573476
Zeus boss fight was awesome on the second game, also the sisters of fate. The second game is probably still my favorite game.
>>322573817
That's not the electrocutioner on bamham origins.
