So I just beat FF7 and I have an urge to play more of the series. I want to play both 8 and 13 but dont know anything. Which games are the best?
>>322486068
IV, V, X, XII
if you're feeling really motivated you can buy the 13's on Steam. 13 runs okay, 13-2 doesn't, but 13-3 runs really well and is really really good.
>>322486068
Everyone has their favorites.
13 is pure garbage. Imagine Xenoblade Chronicles except without any NPCs or side objectives and you don't get to the open world until 20 hours in.
>>322487990
Downloading 13-2 now, can't wait to see how badly it plays.
8 is the best in the series, 13 is the worst
>>322488292
:( it doesnt anon.
7,4,10,12 and 13 are the only ones worth playing.
Don't listen to the 13 haters. Give it a good try before you shit on it, it might really appeal to you, it did for me. The soundtrack is really good and the game is worth playing through.
>>322486068
>Which games are the best?
Never ever ask this question unless you are willing to go through hundreds of posts of autistic manchildren trying to force their opinions to you and each other.
Here is what you should do: Try the one you are more interest about and if you don't like it try one of the other games in the series. You aren't going to miss anything from playing the games out of order as they aren't connected apart from sharing similar names for items, monsters and some characters and sometimes having some references to the other games.
tl;dr: play whatever you are most interested about and never be in contact with the series' fanbase unless you want to get infected with cancer.
>>322488637
Honestly, this is the most sound advice you can take.
13 is a hallway simulator; don't waste your time.
Play 8
13 is pretty alright desu. The PC version especially since they gave you the option to use jap VA's. A lot of people complain about the story being a clusterfuck but if you keep up with the infologs it's enjoyable.
8 is pretty good as well, be sure to install roses of wine for better quality music though. There might be some good texture mods too but it's been a while so I forgot.
Though you might end up hating both, idk just play and decide for yourself.
IX, IV, XII
VIII is pretty funking bad comparrd to the others, XIII is just bad
>>322486068
This picture is the only thing you'll need off of this thread. The fact that you started with FFVII makes it all the best. Enjoy and good luck.
>>322486068
LR isfun
>>322486068
Well, 8 and 13 are generally considered two of the worst games in the franchise. Personally I find 8 complete garbage, but 13 alright.
>>322488336
Aw man. I'm hopeful with my 980ti but it does look like the port is pretty bad. Will still be better than playing it on PS3 I guess.
>>322486068
VI has a good art style if you're playing the classic version and a good story.
VIII has fun gameplay, best minigame in the series, and an enjoyable cast. Some people think it's a little grindy if you spend a lot of time Drawing. It's one of my favorite.
X was a bit of a turning point for the series but still kept a lot of the things that made the series fun. Pretty great FF.
XII and Tactics are both Matsuno Final Fantasy games and absolutely excellent. They break the usual tropes that plague the series.
I wouldn't play XIII, it really is bad. Seriously, just don't do it man.
Some people love IXI've never really cared for it, but you can judge for yourself
So definitely try 6, 8, 9, 10, and 12. Tactics too if you get the chance.
>>322489402
>IV is the most popular 2D Final Fantasy
>not VI
>VI isn't the best starting point for 2D FFs
I like a lot of this chart, but nigga seriously what the fuck
>>322490216
IV is the most popular 2D FF, and it is correct that it's a great starting point as a lot of FFs take after it.
>>322486068
I'm tired of this meme
go away
>>322486068
As someone who has played every FF except MMOs, I vouch for:
>>322489402
this
>>322488523
and this
>>322488637
also this. "XIII is bad" is a meme that will never ever die, go into without no expectations from people's opinions, merely go into it with your own expectations of what you've experienced as a gamer.
Personally, FF2 is my least favourite.
Worthy of note, as far as the oldies that had 2D remakes/re-releases, I recommend playing the PSP versions of 1, 2 and 4, and the GameBoy Advance versions of 5 and 6.
>>322489743
>8 and 13 are generally considered two of the worst games in the franchise.
Did you forgot about FF2? Or is it just not popular enough to talk shit about?
>>322490891
>F8 & 13
>gamer
>>322489402
Why is Type 0 only connected to 8?
>>322490891
>"XIII is bad" is a meme that will never ever die
With good reason. Unless you have some sort of waifu relationship with Lightning, the game simply isn't worth playing.
The story is incoherent. There's no exposition to explain world elements. The battle system is incredibly hands off and just made to look flashy and exciting, while being one of dullest notes in the series. The whole game funnels you towards a goal without ever letting you get a sense of exploration or freedom. Much like it's literal progression, the character progression is a line.
The only redeeming feature in the game is it's relatively high-tier soundtrack.
>>322490891
end yourself.
>>322491703
Funny, it was the soundtrack that made me want to play the game.
Then I realized the game was terrible.
>>322491221
2 is my favorite ;_;
>>322489847
it isn't. thats just troll posting.
I wonder why 8 is considered bad.
>>322489969
Yeah, they really shattered the underage protagonist and great story trope hard. :|
>>322486068
8 and 13 are my top two in that order
>>322488328
this guy gets it.
>>322486068
Just play VI or Chrono Trigger.
>>322492304
It's really not. Not as bad as X, XII and XIIIs.
>>322492227
>2
>favorite
All your opinions just became invalid. Have a nice day.
>>322489402
>4 right after 7
jeezes fucking christ man
>>322492304
I believe the main criticisms are the draw system as well as the fact that most magic isn't worth using since 1) it supposedly sucks and 2) using actual magic (not cards) lowers your stats.
>>322492461
> X
> XII
>bad
>>322492461
I know. I find the 8's party being the best. Really fun minigames and good plot. Especially whenyou realise that was dead squall.
>>322492461
X and XII aren't bad.
Thats crazy talk.
>>322492304
>I wonder why 8 is considered bad
It's really not. There were late night FFVIII /v/ threads for a few years until just recently. They always had great plot discussion.
If you try to discuss FFVIII in the afternoons or on the weekends though, it usually goes to shit fast.
>>322492669
But this system allowed you to max your characters stats to heaven. Isnt that fun?
>>322492913
Well, I was simply expressing the main gameplay criticisms that most bring up involving 8. I haven't actually played it yet, though I do have the zip/rar of the e-boot of it ready to go once I finish 7.
>>322492304
My best guesses are usually
>didn't pay attention to the junctioning tutorial and failed miserably at the game, most likely not finishing it and hating it forever
>the game levels enemies along with you, so those too young or impatient when they played it couldn't just overcome boss fights with stat grinding
>autismal behaviour leading some players to believe you'd need to grind 99x of each magic in the game
>>322486068
Play 4, 5, 6, 9 and 12. Also, play Tactics. If you really enjoyed 5, play Dimensions on iOS/android.
>>322488215
>Comparing FF13 to Xenoblade Chronicles
Xenoblade had way more likeable characters
VII = XII = Tactics > VIII = VI > X = IV > V > II = I > X-2 > III = IX >> XIII-2 > XIII-3 = XIIIin my opinioninb4 your opinion is shit
>people advising to play any game of numeric series but 8
Kill yourself fags
>>322486068
8 is the best
>>322493443
I would put tactics higher. Probably on the same place with VII since it has excellent plot, interesting characters and fun gameplay. Amd XII after VIII.
>>322493453
>I like games only for their stories and not their gameplay
Just play FFV anon. It is the best one only because of the job system.
>>322492894
>this is how you know you're getting old
>>322488328
>>322492441
Emo faggot detected. 8 is terrible and Squall is a bigger bitch then cloud.
Furthermore, they have to invent the stupidest shit to justify bad writing,
By the time you learn about the big boss you don't even care about the game.
>that part in space
Nobody needed that.
Nobody like Renoa
In fact nobody likes anybody in that shit game.
They couldnt even give a proper role to Squalls faggot blond hair crybaby.
>>322493657
>implying VIII gameplay is worse than VII
>>322492304
I got this:
Gameplay sucks because I was a dumbass who played through every battle by Drawing 100 of every magic from every enemy and then proceeded beat those enemies by summoning GFs over and over again!
The orphanage scene is the most retarded thing I have ever seen because it definitely comes out of nowhere and definitely isn't foreshadowed at all!
Level scaling sucks because it exposed me being bad at RPGs and I lost my ability to simply grind for levels in order to win instead of paying attention to the junction system!
The junction system sucks because it was too complicated for me as a kid and now that I know shit it is easily broken making the game too easy and the game somehow automatically breaks itself!
The card game is shit because I suck at it!
Ultimecia is the worst villain ever because she comes out of nowehere, isn't foreshadowed by all and doesn't have any background or clear motives for her actions!
Squall sucks because he is an emo and the rest of characters suck because they are retards!
Did I forgot anything important?
>>322493856
>Nobody like Renoa
False. She was my waifu before I even knew what a waifu was.
>>322493871
>drawing system
Yeah pure crap.
>>322493856
Squall is a teenager, what exactly did you expect from him as a character?
>>322494000
Then you are a looser of the worst breed.
>spoiled brat
>cant take care of herself
>dog do most of her job
>lies like there are no tomorrow
>>322494009
>>322493856
>>322493856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTw1Wcjzf8
u can't argue with the music and atmosphere.
It's so fucking zen.
>>322486068
Might as well, my 2 cents.
Core games only.
VII > X > VIII > IX > XIII > XII > X-2 > XIII-2 > VI > IV > V > I > III > II
Haven't played Lightning Returns (XIII-3) yet.
>>322494172
Not being a crying faggot
Zidane is younger by the way.
>looking for virtue
>fighting for free will
>grows up like a real person
>cares about others
>expresses courage and honor
>is altruistic without making himself a sacrificial animal for other
What I rememebr from squall is:
>whatever
>leave me alone
>muh Renoa
>>322494192
I fell in love with her during that space opera scene. Thats why I still have a thing for girls with dark hair
>>322494009
>he still Draws instead of refining useless items and cards to magic
Everyone look at that faggot and laugh!
It is pretty much agreed on that 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 12 are the best ones and some of the finest JRPGs you can find, but keep in mind that they are praised on different aspects.
>>322495051
Play 5 just for the job system. They should have that in every FF
>>322494542
Yes it has a great soundtrack.
But it kind of distracts you from the issues the game has.
>>322486068
Avoid 8 and 2. Everything else is cool, yes even X-2
>>322495470
>even X-2
X-2 is a fucking masterpiece
Only reason people don't like it because it wasn't a manly mature game for mature manly gamers
Listen up faggots. In the end it boils down to this:
>plebein tier FFs
FFI, FFIV, FFVI, FFVII, FFX, FFXIII
>contrarian tier FFs
FFII, FIII, FFV, FFVIII, FFIX, FFXII
PROVE ME WRONGYou can't.
>>322495470
8 is just as ridiculous as the rest of them.
>>322487990
13-3 runs like ass
If you're willing to give retro a try, play VI.
If you're not, then honestly I don't disagree with playing chronologically. I didn't particularly like VIII (cast is everything for me and I found the VIII lacklustre) but it has a following and that might include you.
XIII is a bunch of glitter over a turd. Excellent graphics/animations/soundtrack to hide the shallow, hackneyed, stock cast and poorly-narrated, incoherent story. If you insist on playing, never ever hit the Auto Battle button.
>>322494998
>implying you have cards and useless items in the first and most important hour of the game.
The game got stupid by then idiot.
IV is fucking garbage
>>322495684
>4 and 6
>pleb
>5 and 9
>contrarian
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>322496274
You must be a garbage person then
>>322496289
definetly
>>322486068
If you're not really a completionist who wants to experience the entire history of a franchise's entire history, they, if you played VII already as your first, go for VIII, IX, X, X-2 (best battle system in the series), XII, XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. If you're not allergic to 2D, give VI a try, it's one of the best ones if you enjoy some vidya archeology. If you're not a pleb, you'll enjoy VI as well, in which case get busy with IV and V as well.
Why has /v/ such awful fucking taste when it comes to JRPGs? Look at this shit, there are people recommending the Lightning Trilogy and FF6 and 10 while calling 5 and 6 shit.
>>322496289
Yea, it's not like "FFII" and "FFIII" wasn't babby's first RPG to millions of people or that people (especially here on /v/) only started to like FFIX because it was the least popular out of the Playstation FFs.
You have no idea what you are talking about, everything I listed on pleb are popular entry level games (that also were the first for most people) and everything I listed as contrarian are games best enjoyed after playing few of the other ones or ones people only started to like because the plebein ones were too popular for them to have as their favorites.
>>322486068
4 5 6 tactics
>>322497069
>people recommending the Lightning Trilogy and FF6 and 10 while calling 5 and 6 shit.
??????????
all of the above are good, II and III are the worst, I is just old, but better than its immediate two successors.
Do you honestly believe anyone gives a fuck about your opinions and tier lists?
>>322486068
How delusional are XIII fags to actually LIKE Lightning?
Or are they just Square drones?
>>322497528
Shut up, let us be miserable in peace.
>>322497069
Its sign of the times. We are getting too old for this. In just two years, the kids who were in 2000 will be able to post without fear of ban.
MOMS ARE TOUGH MMMKAY?
>>322497635
Why are XIII haters delusional to the point of believing Lightning is THE reason why the game is enjoyable? She barely appears in the 2nd entry in the triology and much less playable, and Lightning Returns may focus on her, but it's the gameplay that makes it better.
Just like X-2 is an amazing game even though the story was mere fluff.
>>322489402
>VII as a starting point
Dear fuck no
>>322497948
Many haven't played 2 and LR, which is reasonable as a trilogy should not demand your loyalty after a shitty first game. And even if the gameplay is more fun in the latter games, the cast and narrative are still low tier.
Seriously, I appreciate the positive aspects of the Lightning Trilogy, but nor do I overrate them to the point where I can call it good.
FFI is the worst because the original version is filled with bugs and the remakes of it made it too easy.
FFII is the worst because the execution of it's stat gaining system wasn't good.
FFIII is the worst because many jobs are shit and it has no save points in dungeons.
FFIV is the worst because it removed the ability to choose your party members and has absolutely no character customization either.
FFV is the worst because it barely has a plot and because many jobs are shit.
FFVI is the worst because it also has shitloads of bugs and too many playable characters for it's own good.
FFVII is the worst because it's graphics haven't aged well and because it popularized overly long attack animations and FMV cutscenes making them a norm in JRPGs.
FFVIII is the worst because it's an extension of everything wrong with FFVII and because the presentation of it's story.
FFIX is the worst because it's a failed attempt to combine the best aspects of past FFs making it a mess that doesn't know what it is trying to be.
FFX is the worst because it's linear as shit and has an unskippable FMV cutscene for every 5th step you take.
FFXII is the worst because it's story isn't particularly memorable and because it plays itself.
FFXIII is the worst because it's way too linear and because Toriyama literally tried to shoved his shitty waifu down everyones throats
tl;dr: all FFs are the worst and FF fanbase is shit.
>>322486068
Can't go wrong with the ps1 ffs desu
>>322497948
>Why are XIII haters delusional to the point of believing Lightning is THE reason why the game is enjoyable?
I didn't say that bruh
Someone's defensive, huh?
>>322496274
Kill your elf
>>322498653
Yes he can, out of the PS1 FFs _MY_ favorite is the only good one, your favorite is the only shitty one and the third one is contratatian hipster trash.Seriously through why does everyone take it to these extremes when talking about the PS1 FFs? What is it about them that always bring out the worst of FF fans?
>>322499067
> What is it about /v/ that always bring out the worst of (saga) fans?
I WONDER
>>322497948
I walked away from the Lightning Trilogy feeling like it was a hollow, incoherent, forgettable experience, even if combat in LR was fun. Characters and events should stick with you in a good RPG. This was not the case with this trilogy. And I've heard so much agreement on this from so many people over the years that it's sour grapes of you to dismiss as delusion.
>>322499209
Name a single FF where the character and events stick with you. You can't.
>>322499314
Tactics
Having really liked VII, X and even X-2 back then, I'm having trouble liking FF8.
why would anyone want to play 8 and 13 when you could be playing anything else
I would avoid 8. I decided to play through a bunch of Final Fantasy games for the first time about a year ago. I started with 7, then played 8, 9, 10, then back to 4.
8 was the only one I actually didn't enjoy. By the time I was on the third disc I really just wanted it to be over. The presentation of the story was super disjointed and really prohibited me from caring about any of the main characters. Squall's progression was at least interesting but it was difficult to get invested in with how the game plays out. The level scaling punishes you for spending time in the world. If you don't intentionally break the game, the draw system just adds tedium.
The set pieces were cool and the models were a nice change. I wish I wouldn't have spent the time playing it though.
what went wrong /v/?
>>322500256
I like the new redesigns shown so far so I'll probably end up liking the rest.
>>322499876
Why would anyone want to play [your favorite FF here] when they could be playing anything else?
On more serious note FFII, FFVIII, FFX-2 and FFXIII are games that aren't for everyone and as a result people usually either end up loving or hating them with no middle ground.
>>322500256
FFVII introduced fujoshis to the series and they had to change the designs of FFVII characters to suit their tastes.
>>322500256
Tape and smaller tits.
>>322500256
>PS4
Is this some kind of elaborate meme?
Now that we have gotten the shitposting about our opinions out of the way how about we discuss the really important things?
>>322501641
What are you basing this off of? Looks?
>>322499314
VII, Tactics andXIfor me. I'm sorry if not a single FF cast stuck with you, anon. It maybe explains why you're okay with XIII, but I honestly wonder how you're much into FF at all.
>>322500256
The only retarded thing in that image is the mummy sword. AC Tifa's tits are still huge, Nomura's art here just accentuates them.
Why did they make so many lightning games?
>>322501641
>not wanting to demolish penelo
>>322493443
From what I've played:
VII=VI>X=V>IV=VIII=III>XIV>XII>XIII-2>I>XIII>II
>>322501740
>looks
obviously not
>>322500256I like AC cloud.Well without the dumb sleeve thing.
VI with the brave new world mod
>>322502262
You never know. Maybe that anon has shit taste.
>>322501641
>>322502159
>not wanting to demolish vanille
>>322486068
>pic related
>>322502631
she's shit and probably got blacked by that nigger in FFXIII
>>322501996
marketing
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2013/08/31/are-these-the-top-women-game-characters-of-all-time/
she got voted as third best female RPG character of all time, behind violet from eternal sonata (there's actually no character with that name) and female shepard.
that's what marketing gets you. of course they threw in this "violet" character for credibility but accidentally fucked up.
>>322501641
I largely agree with this list in terms of taste but the rational side of my brain can acknowledge that much of the top tiers (Agrias, Melia, Celes) didn't actually receive THAT strong characterization.
I also get notes of hipsterism in refusing to put certain characters higher because they're popular (Tifa, Lightning) even though they're honestly well developed and well designed characters, at least as far as FF goes.
Finally it's forgiveable that the MMOs are overlooked but they honestly have good characters.
Beatrix is God Tier btw.
>>322486068
You want 2D? Play VI
You want 3D? Play X
You want to get into VII more? Play Crisis Core.
>>322502735
objectively false
her sounds are the only reason i made it through ff13
>>322502729
>ff13
>story
half of the time you don't know what the fuck is happening, it also has shit tier characters
>>322486068
2 and 3 (US)
Okay guys.
The answer is fucking simple.
Read a plot introduction for each game in the series and choose which one interests you more.
>>322503039
If you have a single digit IQ you might get confused by the story
>>322486068
VIII has a bigger focus on romance if that's your thing. X might also be a good option if that's what you're looking for. They both also have pretty good minigames. XIII and X suffer from the same hallway simulator issues.
I'd ask why you're interested in 8 first OP before recommending it. Either way if you buy it on steam, make sure to find the music fix so your ears don't bleed from the MIDI sound files.
>>322503496
There really isn't much to get in the story and your superior IQ should be telling you that the narrative method revealing it is atrocious. "Corridor > awkward, inorganic conversation revealing a bit about the setting > repeat" is poor writing, and probably the reason they just flat-out spoonfeed you chapter summaries. Liking shit because you figured it out through the awkward storytelling is beyond autistic.
>>322503170
Wrong. Almost all the plots are pretty shit. Learn the rosters and choose your favourite cast.
>>322492616
But 2 is also my favorite, right behind 6
>>322503496
You knowing whats happening in a shit story doesn't make you any smarter, fag.
>>322502729
and we come full cycle >>322489402
thread just loops endlessly now
>>322504292
>>322504614
Storytelling isn't important
The experience itself counts much more
In the end you'll eventually understand everything anyway
The story is really great and the lore is insanely deep
I loved the datalog since it gives you a ton of info about the world and I spent a lot of time reading it and I don't mind reading since all 20th century rpgs were without VAs so you had to read everything
The corridors were perfectly fine, it cuts down on filler and they looked good, level design isn't important at all if the game stops to take you to a separate arena for every battle, that's just a way to progress the syory and get you to the next battle, it could have been like thr gateways in dissidia 012 for all I cared
Pulse was actually kinda boring because it was too big
>>322505087
Storytelling becomes important when the hackneyed narrative, told by a stock, largely unlikeable cast, actually detracts from the experience. The strong aspects of FFXIII are all at the surface: excellent graphics, animation and soundtrack, with the only downside being that designs are sometimes cluttered and overdone. It's fine if the plot ends up being okay, but if the characters aren't events aren't incentivizing me to finish it, then you've done something wrong.
>>322506230
Maybe something's wrong with you?
>>322490891
>XIII
>good
>>322505087
>this post
>>322491703
The story is actually fine and all of the exposition are in the codex equivalents anyways.
What is 13-X3 like?
I stopped FF13 because I got sick of grinding my 4th skill.
>>322506230
I don't feel like the cast was stock nor unlikable and the story itself was a huge incentive for me to finish it
Not that I needed it since you admitted yourself that graphics, animation, and ost were excellent
I'd add that the characters story and art direction were excellent as well along with phenomenal direction in what were the absolutely best looking CGI cutscenes which still hold up very well today
And before you complain again about superficiality, remember that we're talking about a series that made a nane for itself on fantastic cgi alone in the late 90s
At least that's what the ads were about anyway
>>322508315
You could easily not use it
The game either asks you which you prefer between auto-battle and abilities or you can easily change it in the menu
>>322508509
What did you not understand?
>>322505087
>Storytelling isn't important
>in an RPG, the genre where story is arguably the most important
Take a step back and think about how stupid that sounds.
>>322508315
What's wrong with it? Seriously.
>>322509173
there is no 13-X3
there's 13-2 a sequel to 13
there's 13-3 which is actually called Lightning Returns FF13 which is a sequel to 13-2
there is no X3
there is X-2 which is a sequel to X
and unfortunately a novel called X-2.5 exists. do yourself a favor and never read it or look up what it's about. we don't like talking about it
i'm serious, don't fucking read it
Play 8, it's fun. Don't be a retard and draw magic from enemies. Only draw GF from bosses and use the GF abilities to get magic and you'll be fine.
>>322509775
My mistake. Haven't been into Final Fantasy in years.
Ment Lighting Returns
>>322486383
no IX
What a pleb
>>322489402
>Crystal Chronicles is lighthearted
Not that I blame the creator of this image for not playing it, but that's simply not true.
>>322509634
There's a difference between storytelling and story
Storytelling is how the story is told, story is the actual plot
Storytelling is unconventional in XIII, it tries to reel you in by putting you in the thick of the action like VII did, but the world is so incredibly alien and the characters use weird terminology which either puts you off because of how alien it is, or it manages to capture your attention and your curiosity
>>322486068
You could give crisis core a shot.
All final fantasies are good, even though some may not fit ones taste. I dislike many many aspects of 13, but it is still well made, though to me more in terms of production quality.
The older ones may be a little iffy to get into, if you aren't used to classic games/jrpgs
>>322510010
it's good
Lumina is cute, CUTE
>>322486068
The OFFICIAL /v/ Final Fantasy Tier List
>God Tier:
7
>Good Tier:
6
>Allright Tier:
5
4
>Mediocre tier:
12
3
1
>Bad Tier:
8
2
>Shit Tier:
9
10
10-2
13
13-2
>>322509224
>>322509671
Games are meant to be played and to be challenging
If there's an autobattle function it means the game is meant to not be hard (adding to the fact you're healed after the battles), plus the hallway gameplay: you call this a game? Why didn't they just made a movie?
>inb4 b-but there are SOME bosses you can't autobattle for
>>322495819
At least the games has an ass, Lightning on the other hand...
Has anyone played this?
Is it any good?
>>322510680
>>322510680
>Official Shitposter List
>>322510715
Games are meant to be fun. The auto battle takes the tedious task and makes a computer do them. That allows the player more time to do the important stuff, like compose the team classes and decide the timing. Let me ask you, if you know an enemy is weak against fire and you control a Mage with the fire spell, which spell would you cast when it is your turn?
>>322510680
>Your faggoty opinion stated as fact tier:
Dismal
>>322510715
>implying you didn't just X your way on auto attack through every single random encounter later in the game in every final fantasy game.
You can't even do some battles without constant paradigm shifts.
>>322510265
No fuck off, X did the same thing and it works way better there because your party members and NPCs explain things to Tidus and by proxy the player. Whereas XIII does explain a few things but just lazily shoves the rest into a ton of datalogs.
>>322510680
>shit tier tier list
>worst girl from her game
Kill yourself.
>>322492461
>X
>Bad
>>322492708
>XII
>Not bad
>>322510680
Accurate
>>322509173
LR is probably the best game in the saga. It has really low production values, but a very fun and engaging battle system.
Final Fantasy XII is hands down the best Final Fantasy game as proven by the fine gentlemen in this thread.
>>322510715
But it is challenging
You literally cannot win without changing paradigms and you can't automatize that
Auto-battle is just a crutch because the game is very fast paced
Auto-battle doesn't change paradigms, doesn't let you use items, doesn't let you use summons, doesn't let you use your ultimate attack, doesn't consider that you can use abilities much faster by canceling part of your atb charge
>>322511257
And XIII doesn't have an audience proxy so it wouldn't make sense to do that
>>322495615
Its story shat all over X you mong
Its pretty princess dressup pandering for faggots
Thegameplayisgreatthough but the characters are ruined and then theres that shitty fanfiction book.
Anyone have the copypasta?
>>322510715
>>322511247
This desu senpai. End game FF-13 is more about managing your paradigm shifts, which take a surprising amount of micro, and when you arrive in Pulse and do the rare encounters you'll have to override auto battle at times too since enemies will start requiring specific combos.
>>322490216
VI is overrated.
GTFO
It's babbies first ff advance game.
>>322511673
How?
What did it do that's so fucking horrifying?
>>322510680
Extremely accurate tier list.
>>322510773
I have. its shit.
on android anyway
>>322503496
It's pretty easy to get confused by XIII's story because you're probably being logical and wondering why the characters are doing the absolute most retarded thing possible
>Barthandelus regularly shows up and cackles about how you'll destroy cocoon for him
>kick his ass each time and say you won't
>then you do it anyways and Fang/Vanille have to sacrifice themselves in order to stop the now giant lava Cocoon from crashing down on everyone you evacuated and melting them
>hurr we did it guys!
This is completely ignoring any of the useless fluff bullshit they try and insert about fal'cie and ancient gods and all the useless drama the characters go through by being pointlessly mean bitches(Lightning), whiny and illogical bitches(Hope), and plain retarded(Snow)
>>322486068
Play 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and tactics. Glad and psx.
>>322511613
>XIII doesn't have an audience proxy
Vanille and Fang could've easily filled that role.
>>322512012
This post seems like the post of someone who didn't understand the story, even though it gets repeated over and over again.
>>322512120
There was no need for an audience proxy because the characters explain enough shit as it is.
>>322510680
Spot on
>>322512153
That is exactly what happens though. You tell Barthandelus you won't destroy cocoon because you aren't shackled by fate etc, and then you end up killing him and Orphan anyways just like he said you would and Cocoon is destroyed and then they all stand there staring up at Fang and Vanille turned into crystals and talk about how they changed their fates and saved the day when Fang and Vanille are the only ones who did fucking anything
>>322511892
Buddy.
Okay.
>X
Begins with the destruction of a cityof the dead
>Grim dying world on a spiral of destruction
>Tidus' sacrificeis a sad ending and signifies the loss of so many lives on the path
>X-2
>Begins with a j-pop concert
>Grill powah princess dressup.
>Bullshit unmaking of the ending of X
I could go on, and this is just my personal opinion of someone who really enjoyed the characters of X.
Inb4 laughing webm. play the fucking game you bastards before you take something out of context.
The way they cut the english VA to match the jap lipsync was retarded however.
>>322512416
Sure, if you simplify it enough.
>>322510680
Perfect
>>322512575
Everything about what you don't like about X-2 just makes it seem like you don't like Japanese culture and you're sexist. Can't blame the game for your own mental deficiency.
>>322512575
>Spiral
>Spira
Just got that
>>322512012
People shouldn't jump to conclusions then
If you actually wonder why Lightning killing a bunch of guards and fighting a giant mech, or why Snow is leading a battle against the army, you shouldn't just think they must be retarded, you should logically realize they know more than you do and wait until you find out their motivations
>>322512120
They sort of do
Vanille gets a ton of stuff explained, and Fang was already informed by the Cavalry by the time they catch up with her
>>322512416
That's the point, they never had much choice and possibilities and they had to rely on divine help to stand a chance against Orphan/Barthandelus
>>322510680
Good taste
>>322512857
Sexism? seriously friendo?
I like japanese culture just fine, It just didn't have a place in a setting like X which was filled with asian culture already and a grim setting.
I'm sorry I insulted the story of your insert game, faggo
>>322512961
What are you going on about saying I jumped to conclusions and referencing the opening when we're clearly talking about the entire game
Lightning is unnecessarily bitchy to everyone for almost the entire game, Hope's complete and utter lack of even attempting to understand the situation that got his mother killed and the way he deals with it is completely unrealistic and doesn't fit in with either a JRPG or real life, and Snow never stops saying the same exact bullshit and takling about how he's the hero and he can do everything with his fists even though you'd think he would smarten up halfway through the game and actually grow into a proper hero and prove himself.
>>322512376
>>322512849
>>322513021
Everyone can see you samefaging
>>322513080
You obviously have something against having women in charge, anon. It's okay to be sexist so long as you admit it.
>>322512575
X begins with a blitzball match Sin comes later
Or I could say that X-2 starts with a chase sequence
And obviously X-2 doesn't have the grim atmosphere since Sin is gone for gooduntil X-2.5
And X-2 is about trying to make up for the sacrifices of X
It all makes perfect sense
Also I love how you compared gameplay mechanics of X-2 to the atmosphere of X
like 4, 5, 9, 10, 13
disliked most of the other ones especially 8 & 12
>>322513519
Okay buddy.
I've yet to see you make sense of the massive shift in tone and content of X-2.
Yuna was already a strong character in X, but she didn't have her ass hanging out so its not right for you cucks.
I feel I'm being baited here.
I worship Goddess Lightning's armpits!!
>>322513356
>she's angry at herself and has no idea how to convey this so she comes off as hard
>hope knows he is in the wrong and Snow is innocent but if he lets go of his rage then he will lose the will to carry on
>Snow knows he is a failure but he puts on a brave front to keep from breaking down
Seriously, did you not notice the theme all the characters had throughout the whole game?
>>322513714
There you go. A woman can't wear revealing clothes, huh? When will the patriarchy let women dress how they want to dress and not be condemned for it?
>>322513759
Yeah except for the part where they get numerous chances to admit it and don't and even when they do, they hardly change at all except for Hope who finally starts acting like a decent character
>>322499314
https://youtu.be/GhFtoRvZuYU
>>322513719
jesus christ the autism
>>322513356
>Lightning is unnecessarily bitchy to everyone for almost the entire game,
That's the point. Lightning is terrible at conveying compassion to anyone but Serah and even then she's awkward.
>Hope
He understands just fine, did you even play the game? The issue is that he doesn't know how to come to terms with his LUST FOR REVENGE.
>Snow
Is a retard. That's basically his shtick. He stays a retard until the very end of LR.
>>322511145
>Games are meant to be fun
Stupid argument
Games are meant to be an entertainment, the way they achieve it is variable. Is Silent Hill supposed to be "fun"? No it's supposed to horrorize you. The experience it's enjoyable, but not "fun"
I can have fun banging rocks, that doesn't make it not stupid.
>>322511247
Unless I'm grinding against low lvl monsters, late game dungeons are full of status inflicting high hp monsters and fucking tonberrys
>>322511730
>you can't autobattle in the end game
yeah, I remember the "It gets good 40 hours in" memo
>>322513719
I worship a tranny
>>322513550
The gameplay mechanics tie into the atmosphere.
Tell me where the costume changing would fit in X.
If there was an epilogue in X with that kind of tone and gameplay it would be completely out of place with the rest of the game.
Two years doesn't make that much of a difference.
If there was a break after the final speechwith yuna crying and talking about sacrifice and those who were lostthe next thing it said
TWO YEARS LATER
"Whatcanidoforyou"
Defend this please.
>>322513931
Holy shit you don't understand consistent characters do you?
>>322513714
You keep falling for the ironic bait, however it's simple: the reason for all the bullshit grimdark tone in X was Sin, Sin is gone so obviously people are gonna be much more happy
>>322514371
Easy, that was LeBlanc
>>322510680
Pretty accurate
>>322514503
Quit trying to detract from the fact that you have a problem with the game because the main character is strong powerful woman who has the freedom to do what she wants, including wearing short shorts.
>>322514503
It's called character development you idiot
She was a girl that built her entire life around a suicide mission
Then suddenly she doesn't die and she's a hero
Of course she'll change
It would have been beyond fucking moronic for her not to change
>>322514534
Happy is one thing, and the shit in tone was another.
The point is it wouldn't tie in with the scene and universe,in my opinion
But okay, I don't need to convince you guys, I'm not that autistic, so I'm gonna disagree and carry on.
>>322510680
(You)
>>322515002
>I'm not that autistic, so I'm gonna disagree and carry on
Godspeed, Anon.
>>322514787
The point is she changed too much.
But I'm not the writer or anything so my opinion doesn't count for much.
>>322514781
0/10
Okay guys its been great fun arguing on the internet.
I'm out for now.
>>322510680
Good taste
>>322515002
fuck I meant shift.Guess I am autistic after all :(
>>322513964
You didn't play it
Lightning changes, she warms up to everyone and especially Snow going as far as telling him it's ok for him to marry Serah while still being kind of cautious about his personality
She's still cold generally but not towards the rest of the party
Hope learns to not be as egoistic as before
Snow learns to live with his failures at first, and then gets a fuckhuge ego boost after they save Cocoon that actually makes his hero persona fully come to life because he managed to save millions if not billions of lives
>>322512882
I mean Auron literally points that out for you in the game
>>322486068
>>322516080
Its been a very long time
>>322515318
Why do you say that?
I think her change makes tons of sense
She started hanging out with Rikku, she kept fondly remembering Tidus, she was a super famous hero
She's much more outgoing and confident while still keeping some of her awkwardness
This is shown in one of the final scenes with Nooj where she confidently yet awkwardly says no to him
>I don't like this plan. It sucks
>>322493998
Half of those are true. And foreshadowing something shitty doesn't make it not shitty.
>>322510680
Perfect
>>322486068
Skip straight to VIII. Then IX, then X.
Alternatively you can cover IV, V, and VI.
Should I get FF7 on steam? I played FF5 (GBA remake), FFX, and FF13/FF13-2 and I loved them all. Something I hate about older RPGs like FF5 is that they have a ton of important missables which makes me want to use a guide
>>322518092
FF7 is similar to the older ones in that regard.
The Steam version is fine. They fixed what the original complaints were and it has less bugs than the original PC port.
>>322517705
Ignore this idiot, avoid IX and X at all costs, literally the worst games in the series along with XIII
>>322518426
When someone mentions VIII, you can't say IX and X are bad.
>>322518426
>X
>Bad
I don't get why people hate X at all like, the gameplay was good, the story was good, the characters were good, the only "bad' thing people say is the laughing scene and they took the laughing literally
>>322514272
Lightning is perfect!!
>>322492304
whatever
>>322518092
I played FF7 on PS3/vita. I paid $10 for it, get cross play AND cross save so I can play it no matter where I am. Do big story missions at home on the ps3 and level grind while I'm away from home on my vita.
If you have both its totally worth it
>>322519721
Hope is perfect!
>>322519370
The whole game is absolute terrible you have awful taste.
