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Is it worth it to get pic related?
Yeah, it's a very good game in general and the best of the Souls series.
That being said if you don't own a PS4 I wouldn't buy one JUST for BB.
>>322289226
Nope! Xavier Woods called it the worst game of 2015.
>>322289368
>Very good
Absolutely
>Best Souls game
Whoa there, let's not go too crazy
If you already own a PS4, absolutely.
If you don't...you clearly already own a PC, wait for the inevitable PC release with bug fixes, extra content, DLC, and improved controls. You know, like every game.
>>322289226
How much affinity do you have for action games?
Do you have decent reflexes?
Its a great game, but its not for everyone.
>>322289603
This.
>>322289604
C'mon, don't bring that shit here. You know what will happen.
>>322289675
I'm kinda fucked in the head since I lost my friends, so I love when a game is actually challenging. Problems rise when the difficulty is blatantly "artificial"
>>322289604
aren't there mods that make dark souls easier?
>>322289604
>wait for the inevitable PC release
>>322290084
No. There is a built-in system that makes enemies a bit weaker the longer you consecutively play and you can exploit it by leaving your PS4 on for a few days, but I don't know if it still works anymore.
Not that you should exploit it anyway.
Just started this game. It's atmospheres amazing.
combats tight and I love Lovecraft themes,
>>322290339
>>322290084
Hur durf misread. Ignore.
>>322290339
That just takes the fun out of the game.
My friend Mike says ninja gaiden 1 is probably the hardest new-gen game he's played.
Take that soulfags
>>322290339
That's not a system. It's a memory leak in Bloodborne. It was patched out within about a month.
Pros
>Great combat system, faster and promotes aggressiveness, and doesn't allow for backstab cheesing
>Weapons, while few, have much more variety than the other games, and are all reasonably powerful
>Fantastic visual aesthetic and soundtrack
>Solid level design
Cons
>Lack of armor variety, most outfits are just brown or grey clothing
>Worst invasion system of the series, you can only invade people who are summoning players to their world, making most attempts at invasion into 2 vs 1 gangbangs
>The only healing item needs to be farmed, meaning if you fuck up against a certain boss too much, you're forced to grind to get more
>Chalice Dungeons are repetitive and boring, but are the only way to get the best Bloodgems, necessary for making your weapon do acceptable damage in NG+ and above
>Bosses in general have way too much HP
>Most enemies have DaS2 levels of tracking
I'd say it's an 8/10
>>322290882
wtf is that picture from?
>>322289604
Will BB ever get a PC release? If yes then I would delay my suicide
>>322293202
>its my first day on /v/ and the only game i ever played was CoD
>>322289226
I'm not enjoying it but that might be because I'm not gud.
>>322289226
Yes. Goty 2015 for anyone that played it through.
>>322293448
Have you beat rom yet?
>>322289226
Yeah i got it on boxing day.
It's pretty good, the gothic style is amazing and it's challenging.
It's like most souls games and the hit boxes can be kinda wonky here and there but it's usually pretty solid.
So far it's my favourite souls game.
>>322293448
I honestly am curious about this. I sublet a room to the world's most casual gamer. She's 21, sells art on etsy and loves anime and her goty is Life is Strange. SHE got to vicar in like 4 hours with no prior souls experience. How do people get stuck on these games?
>>322293273
No. It's Sony owned, same shit as Demon's Souls.
>>322291971
>Those last two cons
>Insinuating bad fashion souls
Why lie, anon?
>>322289226
Got it for my wife's son
Hope he likes it
>>322289226
yea but it has problems. today i was gun parried by a wooden post. ill upload the web m later
Looks like a great game, but it's not worth $400.
>>322289226
it's a niche and exclusive game that will probably die when dark souls 3 comes out.
if you don't get it now, don't bother if you appreciate the online elements.but i think it's the greatest game of all time.
>>322293891
Was she using guides/spamming the Hunter Axe charged R2?
>>322294660
Good thing it's only $50 then.
>>322295082
Nope. I believe she went threaded cane, blind run. She just played safe.
>>322293273
No Anon I'm sorry.
You can always get a PS4 if you don't want to kill yourself.
>>322289603
Its arguably better than Demon's Souls.
Its better than Dark Souls because half of that game just isn't very good.
And it sure as shit is better than Dark Souls 2.
I bought a PS4 for this and it was worth it
But it's much harder than Dark Souls. Some enemies and bosses have a shit ton of health, most of the content is locked away until the second half of the game, healing items do not replenish at the Lamps and parrying requires a farmable resource. Drop rates go down with every drop so with every attempt at the boss the fight is harder.
Level design and atmosphere are fucking phenomenal, there are more NPCs and all of them are well written and voiced. There aren't many weapons but they're interesting and armors look cool in the edgy way.
I'm at Rom and I love it, game changed from Van Helsing to Lovecraft in one hour of gameplay.
>>322295534
dark souls became the best game ever once it was ported to pc, anon. even implying demon's souls, or even bloodborne, is better than dark souls (which is an unfinished and rushed game, leaving a dull game post anor londo), is taboo. it's not like demon's souls deserves credit for starting up the franchise, or even bloodborne, that reinvigorated the gameplay. nope, dark souls is best because it has tons of useless weapons.
>>322293202
I'm guessing its alyx from Half life 2
It has no story at all.
>>322296274
lmao u just dont get it
>>322293602
What's that?
>>322294216
But the fashion does suck. Most of the silhouettes and colors are too samey, and there's too much coats.
And how are the last two points invalid? Later bosses, and pretty much everything in NG+, have way too much HP, and can also kill you in 3 hits even with high VIT.
The tracking should be obvious, though I will admit the player's agility lets them deal with it more easily.
>>322295243
You have to buy this $350 plastic boat anchor thing to get it to work.
It's fucking stupid.
>>322296274
>hey guys, I'm a huge retard who has to be spoon fed and hit over the head with every ounce of plot in the game or it doesn't exist. I'm not smart enough to understand subtext and Lovecraftian themes so I'll go shitpost on /v/ about it. Either that or I have a PC and have never played this game. Thanks guys, bye!
>You
>>322296274
There are other ways to tell stories other than shitting out expositional dialogue on the player, anon.
>>322296395
>sony funds a new and original IP
>not even named Demon's Souls 2
>it's an amazing game
>will force pc players to cave in if they want it bad enough
gotta hand it to Sony. makes me laugh everytime i read the opinion of those who say that exclusives are bad business.
>>322296559
Not him but I'm the type of person who, if there are zombies, I want to know why there are zombies.
I like context and games that fail to provide context are disappointing.That means you, Left 4 Dead.
>tfw running into the 3 hunters in Unseen Village where the Gaol Lamp used to be
Well...was not expecting that at all...
>>322289226
Absolutely. The expansion alone is fantastic.
>>322289604
Literally never happening.
>>322296559
plot is shit anyway.
turns out it was aliens all along. wow what a twist
>>322289226
Literally 10/10 game.
>>322296809
It's tempted me a couple of times but as soon as I look at the library and what's upcoming, I pass.
It's a good investment for someone with an old console, but if you have a good PC it's just robbery.
>>322296841
They're zombies because of Old Gods, it's pretty simple. Bloodborne has the most straight forward and simple story out of all the Souls games.
Honestly, an 8 year old could understand Bloodborne's story, there is plenty of context all over the place.
>>322296841
>Not him but I'm the type of person who, if there are zombies, I want to know why there are zombies.
i guess that closes off a huge genre for you, anon, anything even remotely related to magical realism
>I like context and games that fail to provide context are disappointing.
bloodborne has a world where you, as the player, are not directly fed information through exposition. instead, like other souls games, you experience a world post-catastrophe. you need to actually think about what you're doing and how things correlate and it's not that hard to actually know what's going on. granted, it's a game where there are not definite answers for things, but it raises an important question: does there need to be?
>>322297121
>missing all of the lovecraftian inspiration all over the place
It's like the Shoggoths already let you go mad with stupidity.
>>322289604
>Wait for the inevitable PC release
>>322297190
I wasn't calling out Bloodborne. Right this second I don't care because I'm >>322293448. So I'm still struggling to get traction in how to play the game right.
But if it remains flimsy once I make some headway I might get kind of peeved.
>>322296841
there is context, it just isn't given until a fair bit later in the game and not very explicitly. the wherewolves and ayylmaos are explained via the old blood, great ones, and whatnot, it's just not ex-positional ya know?
>>322297121
>there's no plot
>the plot exists and is shit
pick one.
are you familiar with Lovecraft at all? naturally it was "great ones" from the cosmos, that was his thing. if you want to simplify it to something as broad as aliens or don't like cosmic horror, that's your preference, it doesn't take away from the quality.
Yes
>>322289368
>Souls series
Bloodborne is not a Souls game
>>322296380
You're mad that there is more than one hunters coat? Go get on fextralife and count the fundamentally different silhouettes. It's over 2 dozen. Given that they all look beautiful, that's enough for me. I admit that's subjective though. Games like Lords of the Fallen where every single armor is the same style of plate mail just doesn't do it for me.
As for bosses, again I could have been wrong. If you were a much lower level than me, your damage could have made bosses seem harder. What level were you for major points in the game?
I found all bosses very appropriate at:
>Vicar at 22, +2 weapon
>Rom at 36ish, +4 weapon
>final boss at 60 ish, +7 weapon
>>322297565
well meme'd
>>322294235
You're a good father.
>>322289226
Yes.
>>322297565
>this meme
Here's your reply.
DS1>BB=DeS>DS2
>>322297565
great bait mate (no you're probably just an idiot actually)
>>322297316
Won't make it to the PC since Sony owns the rights to the game.
>>322296395
But you play video games in 2016, you should already have one.
Unless you're too young/poor to buy your own stuff? If that's not the case and you're just super duper casual, you probably wouldn't like bloodborne anyway.
>>322297752
>DS1 being better than BB
lmaoing at this meme
>>322289226
DaS PC modded version > Bloodborne > DaS > DeS > DaS II
>>322297752
>everything I don't like is a meme
It factually isn't. It wasn't marketed as one, it wasn't released as one, and Miyazaki says it isn't one. Not a Souls game.
Show me a source that says otherwise.
>>322297752
>my first game was dark souls
>>322297436
PLEASE tell me there's a full version of this.
>>322298157
It factually is.
It is connected to the series as much as Demons is to Dark. Miyazski has said that he was working within the same framework but wanted to do some new things. No one actually thinks its a part of the narrative world of either dark or demons. Stop being a nigger.
The Old Hunters>Crown of Ivory King>Crown of the Sunken King>AotA>Crown of the Old Iron King
>wait for a co-op player for a while
>get one
>instantly returns to his own world
>>322298546
It's a spiritual successor. It is not part of the series. I don't know what else to tell you. Go read the Wikipedia page, I don't fucking know. Common fucking sense.
>>322298546
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souls_%28series%29
> Although it is its own intellectual property (IP) and not an official Souls installment, it shares many of the elements and concepts from the series. Thus, Bloodborne is often associated in discussion of Souls games.
>>322298157
>being this retarded in public
>>322298621
you're a fucking idiot. dark souls is a spiritual successor to demon's souls, but it's in the same franchise of games. demon's souls ip is owned by sony, but it's still in the "souls" game, even though legally they cannot be considered as such. bloodborne is obviously a souls game.
>>322295357
i'm calling bullshit.
>>322298621
So ignore my post, and the fact that Miyazaki has said that the only series is dark 1,2,and 3 but that his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection. And just senselessly repeat yourself?
>ok kid :^)
>>322298606
>invading a guy constantly
>kill him at least 5 times
>switch to co-op
>get summoned to his world
>die on purpose so he has to fight the boss alone with 1.5x HP
>>322298901
K. I don't really care, I watched her do it.
My point was that I know what type of gamer she is and I genuinely wonder where people get stuck.
>>322298956
>said that the only series is dark 1,2,and 3 but that his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection
>his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection
When the fuck was this ever said? Demons Souls and Dark Souls are in the same series. Bloodborne isn't. He's even said it. Hell, it's common sense.
I wish there was more parodies and tribute videos.
http://youtu.be/mi4QThvzlWY
>>322299208
>posts wikipedia
uh oh argument over guys, the king has spoken
>>322289226
If you've already bought a PS4, you have no reason not to buy Bloodborne. Whether it's the BEST in Souls is highly subjective, but it's definitely part of the endlessly spinning circle that is
>DeS>DaS1>BB>DeS>DaS1 ad infinitum
I feel that none of these three games is objectively better than its fellows. The experiences are two different. However, it does solidify in my mind that DaS2 does not belong in this circle. I would say it's quality is between these games and Lords of the Fallen, leaning closer to Lords of the Fallen. It was a hastily thrown together nonsensical mess with cheap, shallow difficulty, terrible level designs, worse enemy placement within that level design (what the fuck are the Finito tomb guardian fuckers and Jugo pyrowhores doing in the fucking windmill? They're clearly from completely different factions, and the Jugo bitches are from a different fucking country) and even worse story.
I'm really glad to see that Miyazaki is back behind the reins for DaS3. From what I understand of the story so far, the game is going to explore what happens at the end of the Cycle of rekindling? Will we finally get this Dark Party started?
>>322299208
>Although it is its own intellectual property (IP) and not an official Souls installment, it shares many of the elements and concepts from the series
Demon's Souls is its own IP, as well, nimrod. Also citing Wikipedia as an authority is hilarious when they don't even mention that legally Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are not in the same series.
>>322299406
It's better than the collective nothing that you've posted.
>>322289226
It definitely has a fantastic setting. Even without the Lovecraftian Nightmare elements, I love Gothic/Victorian era style settings - it as the potential for beautiful architecture and interesting technologies, while retaining the exhilarating danger of the more medieval ages.
>>322299208
You realize that the fact that Miyazaki himself puts them all in the same conversation -hurts- your stance, right?
Let me ask you, is Demons Souls a souls game? Is Dark souls? Because those games are completely unrelated, only linked together by feel, which bloodborne also shares.
>>322289604
The Bloodborne IP is owned by Sony. It's gained a large amount of commercial and critical success, at least in its niche. To the point where it has become a flagship title for the PS4.
What would Sony possibly have to gain by allowing it to be released on PC? Why would they make an exclusive title, that has been helping them sell hardware, and let someone else take a cut?
I don't work at Sony or From, and I'm not saying it impossible, but there is no logical reason to believe that BB would be ported to PC.
>>322299406
I haven't posted anything, strange as it seems, there is more than one person arguing against your nonsense friend
>>322299167
Did she level up at all? What was her origin?
>>322299609
meant for >>322299489
>>322299508
>Let me ask you, is Demons Souls a souls game?
>is Demons SOULS a souls game
Better question, are you a retard?
>>322299350
>demons souls and dark souls in the same series
Nice bait kid :^)
They're owned by different companies, have stories that take place in different worlds and in fact only share general mechanics and UI elements.
>things that bloodborne shares as well
>>322299495
Too bad they sucked most of the color out of it and 99% of enemies and architecture are the same generic shades of gray
>>322299550
There's also the fact that Japan Studio has been making games since 1999 and not one of them has left PlayStation.
It's the same kind of retardation as expecting a Nintendo game on PC.
>>322299719
The difference between your argument and mine is that I've supported it. All you have is your bullshit word. "They look alike and are made by the same developer, so they're part of the series!"
>>322299712
So you're just assblasted that it's not called Blood Souls?
>That sensible chuckle when 14 year olds get mad
>>322299775
>he never got past Rom
>>322299971
I said 99%
>>322299638
Yeah she leveled up. I mean not a ton, she didn't grind (you don't have to in bb). And origin? Weapon? I said threaded cane
>>322299967
literally this, the only reason retards like this say it's not a souls game is because of the title. if it had something as arbitrary as "souls" in it, they wouldn't even raise the point. it's nonsense. as if a name defines it's similarities.
>>322299931
literally the only thing directly linking Demon's Souls to Dark Souls is the "Souls" title and the underlying fundamental gameplay mechanics. Bloodborne has the same underlying fundamental gameplay mechanics, it's just not called Blood Souls. Legally, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are not in the same series, and wikipedia is not an authority in the matter.
>>322300082
>the only reason retards like this say it's not a souls game is because of the title
Good thing no one in this thread said that.
If you have a PS4 and don't have Bloodborne then I'm not sure what the fuck you think you're doing. Whats the point of the console if you don't have one of the only good exclusives?
>>322300154
>and wikipedia is not an authority in the matter.
Neither are you. I posted Wikipedia. You posted nothing.
Also: http://www.vg247.com/2014/06/13/bloodborne-is-not-a-successor-to-demons-souls-yoshida-insists/
If you were not a retard, you would understand that Wikipedia sites its sources.
>>322299931
Cited Wikipedia? Kek
My source? Go find Miyazaki interviews. Don't make me link letmegooglethatforyou.com
>>322300082
/this
/argumentover
>>322300248
normies literally think Destiny is a PS4 exclusive
>>322300080
How did she no how to level up? Did you tell her?
>>322299550
Tfw BB is so good it's guaranteed to get multiple sequels only on Sony systems
>>322289226
Of course, it's a good game.
Don't expect anything superb though, you know how things are nowadays.
>>322300343
>/this
>/argumentover
>>322300354
What? She talked to the doll. The doll tells you.
>>322300343
common sense doesn't need a citation, bullshit does
>>322300475
Yeah but you have to gain insight too do that. Either find a skull or see a boss. If she didn't know that there's no way she got past the cleric beast or father. With in 4 hours.
>>322300329
>yoshida
jesus christ you're getting desperate. i'm glad you get a marketing executive who makes sure to actually insist on the point that bloodborne has a bit of changed gameplay. here's a similar article right here that i found
http://www.vg247.com/2014/06/11/bloodborne-definitely-isnt-demons-souls-2-no-sir-nothing-to-see/
apparently, if you have a different world and slightly altered gameplay, it can't be related at all to titles ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE IT
can't wait for my unique game experiences i'll have with all of the different fire emblem fates games!
>>322289226
It's kinda cool for one week or so and then you will forget about it.
>>322300384
There have been rumours that the contract with Sony was for 3 exclusive games.
>>322300813
I wouldn't say it has that short a life span, especially with the DLC. but great as I think it is, it has poor replay value, this I will admit.
>>322300810
I'm not that guy but how is Yoshida, the head of SCE, not a reliable source?
>Another Bloodborne shilling thread
>>322293891
I didn't believe this statement at first, however since it's on the Internet I guess it has to be true.
>>322300824
Source?
>>322300790
She found cleric beast first I believe. You don't have to level up hour him out father g, though I think she did put a few in. I think cleric beast only took her 3-4 attempts. You might be forgetting how easy the first few bosses in this game are
Do I need to have PS+ to view notes etc?
>>322301269
yessir, need to be connected to the netwerk
>>322301124
I ain't got one for you, but I know that's what industry leakers from Neogaf have claimed.
I keep getting locked out of lamps. If I'm getting invaded, it takes forever for them to load into my game.
>>322295534
BB lacks replay value and diversity and the PVP is shit. Might be better than DeS just because that was the first game.
>>322301364
Fuck that
>>322300810
>the head of Sony Computer Entertainment, which owns the IP Bloodborne, is not a reliable source for information on the IP Bloodborne
I give up.
>>322301179
You've clearly underestimated her skill. If she can get to Vicar Amelia in 4 hours, she's not nearly as shit as you think. There are people who give up because they've been trying to beat the Cleric Beast for 7 hours. There are people who give up because they can't get past the bonfire villagers.
>>322301525
yeah it does kind of suck, but to be fair you're not missing much, just some trolling and dank memes
It's the only reason to even consider a PS4 at the moment, yes.
>>322289368
>the best of the Souls series.
kek no
It's really great, but it has its fair share of issues.
>>322301558
>he didn't read the article links in the comment
>he didn't processes the message of the post beyond what he needed to attempt a counterargument
>>322301002
>man has nothing to do with development of the game
>man has nothing to do with the insights into development of the game
>the article even mentions the difficulties caused by having two seperate IPs, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls
you're so fucking stupid i can't believe i even have to bother with you. use your own mind, the only fundamental issue here is that "Souls" isn't in the title. if we follow your criteria, then Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are by NO MEANS in the same series of games.
>>322301558
yeah, fucking give up. i'm glad marketing speak is more convincing to you than actual intuition
>>322289226
Yes, love this game.. Story is bonkers and the dlc is ballin'
>>322301756
fair points anon, but no need to be so hostile with this individual anon, I don't think he is the same asshat whose been putting forth this central nonsense argument
>>322301739
I skimmed it. That article is an opinion by a journalist site. I don't know what you want to prove with it.
>>322301172
DELETE THIS
ALL DLC/SOTFS INCLUDED
MY OPINION
BB>DAS>DES>>>>>DAS 2
OBJECTIVE RANKING
BB=DAS>=DES>>>>>>DAS 2
>>322301756
Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it is.
You can't?
BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SOULS GAME. I will never understand why you are so desperate to prove otherwise. It isn't even that serious, you're just a literal retard. You're fucking dujmb.
>>322302146
BB is a watered-down DaS with one playstyle and shitty PVP.
Living proof that dumbin- I'm sorry, streamlining your formula grabs a wider audience.
>>322302386
it's easily the hardest in the series and has objectively more complex combat.
Keep trying to spark shitty arguments even though I said DaS and BB are equal though
>>322302332
if people are super wrong, it's worth your while to argue with them, not very difficult to understand.
>>322302332
Even if it's not a souls game, it'sshorter, more forgiving and has less diverse gameplay than Dark Souls, so it's worse.
>>322302386
And yet, it manages to be harder than any of the Souls games. Maybe it's because you can't behind a shield like a faggot anymore?
>>322302332
Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it isn't.
You can't?
BECAUSE IT IS A SOULS GAME. I will never understand why you are so desperate to prove otherwise. It isn't even that serious, you're just a literal retard. You're fucking dujmb.
>>322289603
Even so, it's extrrmely good for a souls game, and very different
>>322302634
All Souls games are extremely good.
>>322302491
>it's easily the hardest in the series and has objectively more complex combat.
Sure, on opposite day.
BB has fewer equip slots, fewer stats, armor does not affect character movement, fewer weapons, fewer pieces of equipment, fewer upgrade paths, and a less interconnected world. Oh, but the the gameplay is more "streamlined" so I guess it's better.
>>322302332
i don't know man, i guess you gotta be told by a team of marketing executives who have everything to gain from differentiating a new IP from games that are essentially the same so that they can say it's a brand new IP and also interest new players to an already established formula of a series.
don't worry, you've convinced me now. demon's souls is no longer included with the dark souls games. we're all going to follow what is legally binding. please, can someone tell /dsg/ in /vg/ that demon's souls needs its own general now? times have changed.fuck off you stupid asshole.
>>322289226
If you own a Ps4 it's the best in the series
If you don't have a Ps4 you think it's shit because you haven't played it
>>322302567
>B-b-but shields!
kek
Sorry, removing content and options for the player to mess with makes it a less complex and less replayable game. BB is good, it just lacks what gave DaS its staying power.
>>322302634
BB is a good game, it's just the most shallow Souls game.
>>322302615
I've got nothing to do with this argument and I think you're right.
But he already quoted you Shuhei Yoshida saying that it isn't a Souls game. The head of Playstation. While he didn't have anything to do with the development of the game, his opinion on it is worth much more than yours considering his position. And you've failed to counter with anyone more credible.
>>322302830
>legally binding
literally who said anything about legality other than people arguing for your point
>>322302913
>But he already quoted you Shuhei Yoshida saying that it isn't a Souls game. The head of Playstation
Also a different person, but this is meaningless. The CEO of Ford can say whatever the fuck he wants but when it comes down to the technical stuff I want to hear from the folks actually doing the work.
>>322302782
>fewer equip slots
only than dark souls 2, which had too many
>fewer weapons
it has 30+ weapons that all have over twice as many moves as any souls weapons. It has just as much unique interesting weapons as any other souls game if not more
>fewer upgrade paths
this I'll give you
>fewer pieces of equipment
BB has 74 armor sets to DaS 56
>less interconnected
Objectively false. You could maybe say less than DaS 1, which is still wrong, but it is way more connected than DeS or DaS II.
DaS >= DeS > BB >>>> DaS2
It's worth it if you really care about the souls series, just be warned it is not challenging and grows stale quickly.
The stamina in the game is absolutely retarded. Fucking up dodges is rarely punished since you are easily able to recover and spam dodges until you are far out of an enemy's range.
There is no meaningful item progression in the game. The first hunter gear you find can basically be considered your BiS gear in all but a few fringe cases/boss fights. There are literally two weapons worth using at all (Saw -> Ludwigs) for most players playing through the game who aren't on a ng+ or purposely fucking around with builds. This is due to the fact that they are the most overpowered yet naturally obtainable weapons.
The environment and atmosphere is nice for the first 30 minutes, then turn to repetitive shit with occasional fresh scenery. You will get sick of the piles of stone statues places everything where and practically forming the area boundaries in many cases.
The bosses are repetitive in appearance, predictable in behavior, and ultimately disappointing:
Almost all of their appearances can basically be described as spindly limbs, hair, and/or blood. Many adopt the same beast-like stance, attack patterns, and weakness to fire/bolt paper or parrying.
Almost all of their behaviors can be described as a windup followed by a period of aggressive slashing, so fights are as retardedly simple as dodging forward diagonally during this windup and attacking until out of stamina as they wail away facing away from you.
And that's only IF you haven't found out that half the bosses are even easier to kill than that with oil and molotovs.
And even that's only IF you haven't figured out that most of the time you can summon MULTIPLE coop npc's to basically kill the bosses for you while you run around with your dick in your hand listening to the boss theme (luckily the soundtrack is one of the redeeming aspects of the game).
>BB is not part of the same series as DeS and DaS.
I've read this argument sometimes, and always thought it was shitposting, that no one could ever be this retarded. But I don't know anymore.
I want to keep believing it's shitposting and it's just an ebin memester.
>>322302919
i'm about to bust a fucking nut
what does it mean when we say that demon's souls and dark souls are in the same "series"? legally speaking, they are not and CANNOT be. dark souls is owned by namco bandai, demon's souls is owned by sony. bloodborne is owned by sony. the only argument THE ONLY argument that one can have for the idea that demon's souls and dark souls are the "same series" is that they both include souls in their title, but that's only through your own perception; they are different titles completely.
this is like saying system shock 2 is a bioshock game, paralleling demon's souls and dark souls. the former, however, has enough significant differences that no one really clumps them together, however, people instinctually clumped demon's souls and dark souls together, because they're very familiar games. bloodborne is just as familiar to demon's souls as demon's souls is to dark souls. i don't see how this is hard to understand.
>>322303220
>this is meaningless
So is your opinion.
>>322295534
nah, DS2 is better by a mile, and I played both games on the day of release. BB has slick combat and cool location/enemy designs, but no build variety, pvp is shit, covenants are non-existant, online hardly exists in general, and there's no replayability. Give me DS2, SOTFS or not any day of the week.
>>322303351
>no one clumps system shock and bioshock together
Alright this is bait
>caring about Dark Souls # [integer value incremented at an increasingly frequent pace]
FROM has turned souls into the new cod/assassins creed
expect them to milk the series dry while the games slowly devolve into utter casual shit that eventually in no way resembles what made dark souls so great
>inb4 "It's ok when FROM does it!"
>>322303269
I don't think this guy(s) is shitposting anon, I think some people are literally this dumb
>>322303497
right, except the difference is when FROM releases games back to back, theya re of high quality consistently. people who compare this to ASSCREED are dipshits.
I'm afraid to buy it because I've never played a Soul's game and I think I'll suck really bad :(
>>322289226
The single setting for this makes it feel so much more mundane than any of the souls games. It really get's boring after awhile.
>>322303269
Why do you think it is? Inform me. I'd genuinely like to know why people think they're part of a series somehow despite there being no evidence, implications, or references to it being such in development.
>>322303457
>pulling out a small piece of my argument
>misrepresenting it
>not realizing that even if it's not true, my argument still works
bravo, you've all wasted my time terrifically. okay then, bioshock and system shock 2 are in the same series of games, linked by their gameplay and similar team of designers. oh look! bloodborne is now a souls game.
>>322303697
It's not that hard dude. If you just be smart, learn from your mistakes, and act quick on your feet you can beat the game.
My eleven year old brother got to the final boss.
>>322303876
Because that's all I really read of that wall of text to be honest with you.
>>322301371
>Neogaf
into the trash
>>322302615
>Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it isn't.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/e3/news/a577373/bloodborne-not-connected-to-demons-souls/
>>322303613
>DS2
>high quality
it's already happening, don't delude yourself
>>322303269
he's being serious anon, just try not to look him in the eyes.. >>322303763
>>322303231
>which had too many
Nope, don't defend regression in complexity.
>it has 30+ weapons
It has the least number of weapons and most are still made useless by the best end-game weapons. There's simply less for you to choose from and it matters a lot less since you always play a fast DEX build due to the limitations of other equipment, movement, etc. you have a lot less room for diversity and customization, so even if the weapons are more unique the build plays largely the same.
>BB has 74 armor sets to DaS 56
Most of which do not affect your stats in as meaningful a way as they did in past games. The coats are are very similar in function, and your armor does not affect your mobility meaning your build moves around largely the same save for some of your weapon attacks. Combined with the more limited weapon selection, this makes your builds very limited and squanders some of the potential replay value.
>Objectively false
It's more linear, there are fewer alternate connections/routes and "hubs" like there were in DaS.
And then you have stuff like stamina consumption being scaled back, less cooldown on your attacks so it's harder for you to be punished, more iframes on rolls so again its harder for you to be punished, your ranged parry.stagger that allows you to essentially chainstun weaker enemies at a distance and the absolutely casual healing method that both allows you to just farm and stack items with no investment like kindling, use them while moving AND retaining mobility.
I think Dark Souls is still the best realized Souls game despite being unfinished. It has a great world, a great mythology, great atmosphere, solid gameplay, fucking gorgeous armor design, cool areas and bosses, and is memorable in every aspect. BB comes really close but DaS has more variety and is really impressively nonlinear.
>been playing solo for a while because no ps+
>co-oping no stop now
co-op is so much fucking fun
>>322303269
The greatest shitposts are the ones that are made by people that actually believe them.
>>322303975
What exactly does one retarded Sonygger prove?
Neogaf has several consistently reliable leakers. People in the industry do use the site.
>>322304082
>get summoned for orphan of kos
>REEEEEEAAAAURGH
>host has died, returning to your world
>>322304018
you act as if this has any meaning. "Bloodborne not connected to Demon's Souls" is the same as saying "Dark Souls not connected to Demon's Souls"
here's an interesting tidbit: ""We were already thinking of a shift to a combat system where you would enter battle more actively than the sword and shield-based combat of Demon's."
also this is the last time i'm responding to anything stupid in this thread. i'll just focus on my bloodborne invasions i've been doing.
>>322304035
>letting people on this board convince you DS2 is half as bad as they say it is
I wonder how many years it will be before this stops
I've only play DeS, is DaS that much better ?
>>322303975
Neogag is where the original leak came from, r-tard. The same leak that almost everyone on /v/ denounced as "false"
>>322304224
wew lad
>>322303269
It's really incredible. it would be one thing if it was just DaS 1-3 and then BB, but DeS exists too. If BB isn't in the same series as DaS, then DeS isn't either.
>>322304262
>"Bloodborne not connected to Demon's Souls" is the same as saying "Dark Souls not connected to Demon's Souls"
Right, but the difference is that one of those things was never said, therefore making it untrue.
>>322289226
Yes, if you own a PS4. I wouldn't buy one just for BB, but that's just me. A lot of people buy consoles just for one game, so who knows.
>>322304224
>People in the industry do use the site.
Most of them dropped the site a loooong time ago. NeoGaf is a shithole just like /v/. But they're even funnier because they think they have some place above anyone else in the industry just because some leaks were posted there before anywhere else, which has happened on /v/ too. But no one on /v/ sees themselves as an "industry insider" or gets butthurt when /v/ mods don't get invited to E3.
/v/ also doesn't defend ACTUAL, LITERAL, REAL LIFE PEDOPHILIA.
>>322304315
I don't like the site any more than you do.
>>322304315
>>322303975
How are these posts any different from what we see here?
>>322304268
I find DaS, BB, and DeS to be all almost equal but DaS is my favorite. I think it has way better bosses, the world is way more interesting to explore, and the equipment options blow DeS out of the fucking water. DaS has better gameplay and much more variety in general.
DeS has a very special mystique and atmosphere to it, but DaS is a better game I think. Don't listen to any fanatics, anyone with sense knows that the only game far below any of the others is DaS II.
>>322289226
It's a fantastic game. It may be the game that gets you to pull the trigger but there are still other great games for the system, I've got like 15 PS4 games and 3 or 4 that I still play regularly.
>>322304537
Neogaf doesn't get the benifit of the doubt that everyone is just ironically baiting for the lulz.
>>322304305
>r-tard
Just say retard, you fucking retard.
>>322304783
Fuck you rtard
>>322304840
triggered
>>322304675
>I've got like 15 PS4 games and 3 or 4 that I still play regularly.
The saddest part about this is that the idea of only playing 3-4 of the 15 games you own regularly is not laughable.
That's sad dude, and really telling of the quality of the games on PS4 (and western games in general) if so few manage to hold your attention for longer than a single playthrough.
>>322304041
>>322303514
>>322304142
>>322304323
And I'm retarded enough to answer to an obvious retard and/or rusemaster. I'll do this once and go play some BB.
>>322303763
If your argument is "they don't have the same name!", then we're done and I don't care.
>No evidence, implications, or references
m8
Same studio, with 3 out of 4 games by the same director.
Same mechanics with very little variation to the point that you might as well be playing the same, mechanically.
Same style of interaction with NPCs. Shit, they even reuse Patches, not that it matters.
Same combat, some of the games have more weapons, some have more combos. The only truly new thing I've ever seen in the combat are the guns in BB, trick weapons are nice and all, tons of combos and cool transformations, but still mechanically the same as the rest of the games.
Same way to convey their story and lore.
Same platforming, with it being adjusted here and there.
Same death penalties.
Same checkpoint system.
Same autosave system, no reloading.
Same coop and PvP system, with some variation in how to access it.
Same RPG mechanics, attribute wise.
Same equipment system. Some have a bit more or a bit less slots, but same idea.
Same upgrade system, with only DaS2 having a bit of a variation with how elemental weapons work, and BB using the gems for extra damage and elements, but still keeping the "minerals" upgrade like the rest of the games.
I could probably keep going but I already feel stupid enough for answering. Props to you anon, you triggered my autism enough to make me waste some minutes of my time. Mission completed.
>>322295243
>Got Bloodborne for 20 bucks new from a FUCKING GAMESTOP saleI already had the PS4 because I have good taste.
>>322304675
>I've got like 15 PS4 games
What games? I'd really like to hear this.
>>322304514
Yeah, their stance on pedophilia is mind-blowing.
>it's okay if you fuck little girls, that's just who you are, you can't help it
>BUT DON'T TOUCH THE LOLIS YOU FREAK
It makes me angry and confused.
>>322305042
I would too. I think I have ten and most are shit I could have gotten for PS3 anyway.
>>322304976
anon, did you think that we were arguing it isn't a souls game, because if so, you should probably reading comprehension first.
>>322304976
>Same studio
Are you retarded? that doesn't mean they're the same series at all
>Same mechanics with very little variation to the point that you might as well be playing the same, mechanically.
There was a link posted earlier ITT where Miyazaki discussed the reasoning behind the similar mechanics and how they do not imply that the games are related.
>Same style of interaction with NPCs. Shit, they even reuse Patches, not that it matters.
See above. Again, this does not prove at all that they are in the same series.
So I skimmed the rest of your post and realize that you just went through similarities of the games, which was not at all what I had asked so I'm not going to bother going through each individual post. Already, you're wrong.
>>322304908
How many Steam games do you actually regularly play? Naturally I come back to the old ones after some time has passed.
>>322305270
>post
point
>>322297868
>But you play video games in 2016, you should already have one.
>Unless you're too young/poor to buy your own stuff?
Buying a console for 1 game + hyped up titles that haven't released doesn't make one poor or young or casual.
>>322297436
Sauce please I wouldn't ask if I didn't reverse search but there's nothing
>>322305042
me too, I have a PS4 and all I have is Bloodborne, Just Cause 3, and Transformers Devastation.
>>322305338
What is it with consolefriends who think PC=Steam and that's it? A lot of people treat "PC" as an identifiable, unified platform not unlike "PlayStation" or "Xbox" when that really isn't the case at all.
>>322305042
>>322305174
I don't get it, why do you come in to threads about things you don't like to shitpost? How can you be smug when this is what you do with the time where you could be playing your hundreds of awesome PC games.
>>322305039
If you had good taste you would have already owend Bloodbourne before waiting for it to go on sale. It's -the- PS4's flagship title.
>>322289226
very yes
>>322301503
>BB lacks replay value and diversity
Factually incorrect after the DLC.
>and the PVP is shit
It has the most balanced PVP in the series, and the best mechanics, not to mention more than double the movesets on every weapon which adds more variety to the combat.
>>322305703
You didnt answer my question.
>>322305338
>How many Steam games do you actually regularly play?
Of the two I purchased of my own volition, one, Civ 5. I also bought L4D2 because my friends play it but I have yet to install it.
I have maybe 12 games on Steam, all but the above two were gifted to me by friends and most I do not have installed.
>>322305671
For whatever reason, I see a lot of people that only play consoles thinking that PC = Steam.
>>322305792
I think the problem is that there isn't much playroom for builds compared to the other games. It has plenty of replayablity to be sure, just not as much as the other games.
>>322305792
>Factually incorrect after the DLC.
So equip load and poise are back?
>>322305792
Here's your reply.
>>322305792
PVP is limited to like two areas, and is gated until later in the game. It's fucking shit compared to how DaS handled it.
The DLC did not change the core mechanics, just added more weapons and stuff. You still have a fast DEX build no matter what, build diversity is still very lacking.
>>322289226
I got it 2 weeks ago and it's all I can think about. Jesus Christ is it good.
The Lore is so ripped right out of Lovecraft in the best possible way, the gameplay is clearly Souls but actual strategy and momentum are dramatically different, and the world is filled with too much detail.
You know what this game has, Passion. This feels like the Lovecraftian ARPG Miyazaki has always wanted to make.
Its better than DaS2 by a long shot, better than DaS and is on par with DeS for me.
>>322289603
Its pretty effortlessly better than any of the Dark Souls games. Its got the polish, content and detail that Dark Souls sorely lacked, and the lore is better. The only debate is if it's better than Demon's Souls.
>>322305892
Why do I need to? If what you're getting at is whether or not I count third party titles as a reason to own a system then the answer is yes, I do. I don't know why you're acting like a cheeky little cunt when PC is literally all third party titles. When was the last time anyone made anything worthwhile that can't also be found on a console?
>>322306323
>better than DaS
Proof that people WANT dumbed-down, streamlined games, I guess.
BB is good, but it's a step back in so many areas that aren't related to the visuals.
>>322306438
>Its got the polish, content and detail that Dark Souls sorely lacked
Maybe on OPPOSITE DAY!
Is shitposting about bloodborne really that fun? What do you guys do outside of that?
>>322289226
Its Devil May Cry x Dark Souls, its easily GOTY.
>>322306298
i don't get where this idea about build diversity being a thing in dark souls. as if people don't gravitate to the same few builds in EVERY iteration of the game. dark souls 2 may have a lot of weapons, but most of them are shit and aren't fun to use and get replaced by slight better forms of it. bloodborne cut out poise and equip load because it didn't fit into the world they were making. i admit the game suffers from minimalistic tendencies, but the DLC did a lot right by adding in a few very unique weapons.
>>322306592
I don't really see many anons here shitposting about Bloodbourne. Most of the shitposting ITT is typical console warrior faggotry.
>>322305996
Not him, but you're truly retarded. I was the guy that figured out the Poise BPs back in the day, and let me tell you, it was the worst mechanic in the series.
First of all it gave Dark Souls 1 strictly worse gameplay in PvP and PvE due to how badly it trivialized both. You just ignored shit and BSed targets with impunity.
Also, it adds fuck all for builds. You stack it as high as possible while maintaining top roll/flip speed. The choice you're granted is an illusion unless you want your build to be snowflake garbage.
>>322289226
If you already own a PS4 then yes, it's definitely worth it
>>322305042
>>322305892
I'm not that guy. But I'll answer your question for him.
Bloodborne (obviously)
DOA5LR
EDF 4.1
Disgaea 5
Omega Quintet
SAO -HF-
SAO Lost Song
Type-0 HD / Episode Duscae
FFX/X-2
TLoU
Uncharted Collection
N++
Rocket League
So that's 13. I guess you could count PT and say 13.5
>>322306664
>i don't get where this idea about build diversity being a thing in dark souls
Well, then you're simply misinformed. Git gudder information.
>>322305996
>actually liking equip load and poise
Equip load was literally a [NOFUNALLOWED] mechanic put in there to stop Havelshitter from fast rolling, which didn't even work for the first year before they patched it since everyone just equipped Havel's ring with 40END to ninja flip in Havelmoms.
Poise is the dumbest, most laughably poorly implemented mechanic the series has ever seen, it was quite literally a worse implementation that Soul Memory. Poise should never be an armour statistic, it should be based on weapon class (i.e STR weapons should have by standard more poise/hyper armour than DEX weapons, and the faster the weapon the less poise you have whilst using it).
Putting poise onto armour in DaS was hilariously broken, anyone with above 40 could easily tank even greatsword hits, it made PvE easy as shit, and PvP boring as fuck watching 2 Giantdads R1 spam each other with Zwei's until one's poise managed to break after 3 2H Zwei hits.
Laughable.
>>322306730
>Sword Art Online
>Omega Quintet
wew
>>322306704
Don't forget, any actual criticism of the game is shitposting, so there's lots of it.
>>322306730
don't forget that capcom souls + devil may cry or some action game hybrid. that looks pretty fun.
>>322306460
>I don't know why you're acting like a cheeky little cunt
I don't know why you're so upset.
All he did was ask for your 15 PS4 games, and you started shitposting about PC and crying about being smug while posting Undertale for no reason.
Without the DLC its a pretty alright game. With the DLC its fucking amazing. Especially if you play in a world of strength since most of the strength weapons in the DLC don't require alot of progression so you can go snap them early on.
The Saif is honestly the weirdest weapon i've ever used in a game. I feel like alot of it is just autopiloting on R1 but having a auto dash feels weird and the backdashing and forward dashing during transform combos are strange as fuck.
>>322306750
>We didn't need that anyway, we're better off without it!
Typical marketer technique, don't address the actual problem but rather deflect and talk about how it wasn't needed/good in the first place.
Fix what's broken, don't chuck it out the window and slap coats on every character instead.
>>322306894
Amazingly, the SAO games are actually good. I haven't gotten around to OQ yet but it was on sale for like $10 so I figured fuck it why not.
Also the SAO games let me princess carry Asuna making them instant 10/10 GOAT material to anyone with taste.
>>322291971
I'll give you the PVP and Chalice Dungeons, but the rest of your complaints are either petty or tell me you're bad at the game.
I love it. I'd say it's better than das2 and about on-par with des and das1. I'm more of a pve guy though, so take that as you will.
>>322306298
>PVP is limited to like two areas
No it's not? You can literally PvP anywhere in the game. Most of my PvP consists of Cainhurst, Forbidden Wood and now the DLC areas.
This is like saying
>PvP in DaS2 was limited to Iron Bridge!
>PvP in DaS was limited to the forest!
>PvP in DeS was limited to 4-1!
>>322306298
>just added more weapons and stuff
Yes, more weapons that require different builds to use, hence more build variety.
Let's be honest now, in DaS you were either
>fat rolling shitter
>minmaxed Havel/Giantdad greatsword shitter
>ninja flipping DEX shitter
>ninja flipping HEX spamming shitter
This was the height of builds you seen in DaS1 PvP, don't try and sugarcoat it. And this isn't even taking into account the fact that while DaS1 had a ton of weapons, 90% of those weapons were copy pasted fodder that became literally redundant later in the game when you found the class equivalent with superior scaling.
Add that to the vastly inferior combat, DaS1 is mediocre.
>>322307258
>making them instant 10/10 GOAT material to anyone with taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ageMkCxXY
>>322307258
>the SAO games are actually good
But the first one is absolute trash, and the 2nd one is mostly just boring grind for no real reason.
>>322307513
>gameplay trailer
>about 10 seconds of gameplay near the end
Is this what gaming has become
>>322306323
Wait till you get to the Chalice Dungeons anon. Also hope you don't like to maximize your damage output, but if you do, make sure you like to farm.
But yeah other than the above, it's great. I think they are all equally great, except DaS2.
>>322307031
it's a cleaver weapon done right, where the transforms are interesting.
Basically having 50 percent more stamina because of the auto dash/back dashes is awesome.
>>322306750
>Above 40
What? It was good, but I'm pretty sure you needed about 70 to take big hits.
>>322289226
There's no point in not getting it if you already have a PS4. It's practically the only PS4 essential out right now if you don't include remasters like Nathan Drake Collection and Last of Us.
>>322306473
Lmao, alright Anon, tell me how Bloodborne is streamlined. Where is a step back?
>>322297436
Who is?
>>322306473
You played DaS before Demon's Souls, didn't you.
>>322307258
What are the games about? Not an actual MMORPG right? I remember reading the first volume of the novel and it was fun. Suddenly that shit was popular as fuck and even got an animoo that I never watched.
>>322306298
You have slow as shit weapons, ranged weapons, arcane build, fast dex builds.
This is like saying Dark souls basically only has slow tanky builds, because the game is slow as shit compared to Bloodborne.
>>322304976
I hope you also consider LA Noire and RDR as part of the GTA series.
Because there's nothing worse than a hypocrite.
>>322307704
I honestly don't think Chalice Dungeons are as bad as people say.
Yes, they most certainly could be a LOT better, and probably don't even need to be in the game. But I've had fun the few times I've done dungeon diving. Once you get a bit deeper they become more challenging and interesting.
It's a shame that all the interesting chalice events don't happen in any of the story chalices. You can get stuff like roaming boss spawns, centipedes that hide on the ceilings, a rare spawning mole enemy, Patches as a rare vendor. But you only find that stuff in the root chalices. I think there's even a couple of room types that don't appear in the main chalices.
I can certainly agree that I would have preferred they used the time on the dungeons to make a real area or two. A genuine, thoughtfully laid out Pthumeru area with some proper bosses would have been really cool.
>>322307493
>PVP builds are all that matter
Much more you can do than just those, which is what adds replay value. you can run with anything you want in PvE, that's what made subsequent plays fun.
BB just has objectively less variety and choices for the player to make regarding their build. You can rationalize it as being unimportant or belittle the less viable options in DaS all day, but you're not changing the numbers or the facts.
>Add that to the vastly inferior combat, DaS1 is mediocre.
Because it's less forgiving and doesn't play like a more shallow action game? BB's combat was a step backward in difficulty, from more iframes, better rolls, casualized healing, it's less punishing.
Why can't BB fanboys just admit it's a little less complex than DaS while still being a good game? Will their heads implode if they admit they like a slightly less punishing, more streamlined game better?
>>322307079
>don't address the actual problem but rather deflect and talk about how it wasn't needed/good in the first place.
So, don't address the problem, but you know address the problem?
>>322306750
>Poise is the dumbest, most laughably poorly implemented mechanic the series has ever seen, it was quite literally a worse implementation that Soul Memory. Poise should never be an armour statistic, it should be based on weapon class (i.e STR weapons should have by standard more poise/hyper armour than DEX weapons, and the faster the weapon the less poise you have whilst using it).
Typical fanfaggot ignores all reason in someone's post just to bury their head in the sand.
>Fix what's broken
You realise they went the route I mentioned in my post in regards to poise? Now it's no longer an armour stat, it's tied to certain weapons through hyper armour.
And also a reminder that this issue was fixed before it was even broken, DeS had a perfect working hyper armour system that they got rid of and put that trash from DaS instead. Then they fucked it up even more in DaS2.
They quite literally had the solution from the start.
>>322307861
Look up the poise meter my man, starting with 31 poise you could tank greatsword hits in DaS, at 51 poise you could tank ultra greatsword hits. Poise in DaS was so hilariously broken.
>>322307079
By your logic every mechanic that has ever existed at one point in the series must continue to exist in some form because, as you said, "Fix what's broken, don't chuck it out the window!"
That means we need to reintroduce World Tendency. And item burden. Bring back Soul Memory. Keep the Chalice Dungeons. Why doesn't Dark Souls III have HP rally?
You see what I'm getting at. Sometimes a bad idea is just a fucking bad idea, and it should be placed in the garbage where it belongs.
>>322308014
Think offline MMORPG. Very grindy, but a retarded amount of content. I'm 200 hours in and I still haven't beaten the first game. Seriously. There's a shitty dating mechanic attached too that let's you princess carry the girls and bring them to bed.
>>322306567
>Polish
Looks worse than Demon's Souls on consoles somehow and runs worse of all the Souls games. Plus the level and enemy design is leagues better.
>Content
The second half of the game totally drops off, not Miyazaki's fault though, blame Bamco
>Detail
The world is chock full of shit in every corner, meanwhile in DaS you get areas like Anor Londo where its bare as fuck.
>>322307895
>>322302782
It's just a step back in complexity in a lot of areas, it's a lot of small tweaks that make the game a little less punishing and gives the player less to work with in terms of build and equipment. Granted BB is a lot more challenging than anything else on PS4 though, and is still a good game.
>>322308050
>I honestly don't think Chalice Dungeons are as bad as people say.
I know it's subjective, but I hated every single minute I was in them. The design was shit and it was a chore to go through them. I'd tolerate them if they were unlocked for all characters you make once any finishes them.
But fuck them. I killed the Queen once, and never again.
>I can certainly agree that I would have preferred they used the time on the dungeons to make a real area or two. A genuine, thoughtfully laid out Pthumeru area with some proper bosses would have been really cool.
And yeah, this. I think they wasted resources on them. I can appreciate them trying to get something new in the games, but the dungeon chalices are certainly not a good result.
>>322299165
You are a real son of bitch.
I hope that your stepfather teach you a lesson
>>322307704
Im a strength build, so I role Ludvigs and Tonitus. I honestly don't like the chalices that much, but I can't complain considering they're optional side missions. Plus they carry over between NGs and they don't NG+ scale, so I can do them whenever.
>>322308119
It not being there is the problem. You skirt around that and rationalize that it didn't need to be there anyway, trying to redefine what the problem, and argument, are instead of just addressing what I said with s straight answer. Classic deflection.
I'm not sure how people think BB is easier. Even though you get more health items you still get stun locked and combed to death much more easily than any of the other games.
>>322307079
you act as if this is a mass effect going to mass effect 2 situation, where they cut out content that was a bit broken instead of fixing it. bloodborne is set in a world where armor isn't that useful: people have guns. instead they allowed for something quite nice: you can use all the armor you like and for fashion purposes!
>>322308114
>BB just has objectively less variety and choices for the player to make regarding their build
I'm no denying that anon, but you claimed 'NO' build variety, which is completely untrue. There is more build variety in BB than there was in DeS. There are more weapon sets in BB than there were in DeS.
This doesn't make DeS a bad game or imply it has no build variety.
Also are you forgetting that DaS2 had twice the build variety of DaS1, and was still an inferior game in every respect? Case in point, more isn't better if it isn't done right, and DaS1 did a lot of shit wrong, including half the god damn game.
>Because it's less forgiving
DaS1 is the most forgiving game in the series you mongoloid, it is factully the easiest game by design. Its armour and poise systems alone break any semblence of difficulty the game would have, let me spell it out for you
>slowest paced game in the series
>enemies do far less damage due to broken armour system
>bosses have far less health than those in Bloodborne
>heavy armour is broken
>upgradable armour breaks it even further
>upgradable Estus power that eventually lets even 40VIT almost full heal in 1 chug while tanking any and all hits due to poise
>can hide behind shields
>even small shields have broken stability
>instant backstabs
>hilariously broken poise that lets even light armour tank most hits and means you can't be stunned out of healing
>hilariously broken magic
>checkpoints are far more frequent
>removed the health drain from hollowed mode that was in DeS
DaS1 is the easiest gme in the series. Now you'll go on and change your goalposts to 'w-well difficulty doesn't make a good game!'.
>>322308416
I think if the chalices had more variety they would be a lot better.
Everything in Pthumeru looks the same, all the way through to the end chalices. Loran and Isz are fairly interesting, and they only different in a few visual things. The actual room designs are identical to Pthumeru.
Or, alternatively, they could have just had less Pthumeru chalices.
>>322308164
BB is less punishing. Lower stamina consumption, fewer equip slots, fewer stats, less equipment, more iframes on rolls, you can stack healing items without kindling or anything similar and heal while moving in less time than it took to chug an Estus, covenants are butchered, PVP isn't as accessible, replay value took a hit due to shitty build variety. I could go on.
>>322308036
I don't play them so I can't comment.
>>322308668
There was no deflection, I literally laid out a straight the point double paragraph explaining exactly how and why DaS1's poise is a broken mechanic and how to fix it (i.e it was already fixed and not broken in DeS, which you obviously didn't play).
Fucking idiot.
>>322308887
>Can't handle BB being streamlined
>Eveything DaS did was BAD!
kek
Can't just admit BB took the formula and dumbed it down just a little? You can rationalize that all the variety and choices you had in DaS were oh-so bad for you to justify the paltry number of builds in B all you want, doesn't make BB less shallow in comparison.
>First playthrough
>Walking on the bridge
>Cleric Beast appears
>Kill it on first attempt
>Have to put controller down and take a breather afterward
I love these games. I love Bloodborne.
>>322308995
kek that's right, pc never got RDR. Maybe in 5 more years you'll understand.
>>322309282
Same here, anon. Got that feeling with Papa Gascoigne, that transformation took me by surprise.
Can't wait for DaS3 on April.
>>322308331
I wouldn't say less punishing considering the speed of the game got cranked way up and no shields make approaches radically different. It's more like Devil May Cry 3&4 and less like Dark Souls, except for attack spacing.
Instead of generic medival weapons each weapon is unique and fits different playstyles. Also NG+ is actually challenging, not as hard as Demon's Souls NG+, but not laughable like Dark Souls.
I'm realizing as I'm writing this that this game has almost as many parallels to Devil May Cry as it does Souls.
Also if you think Dark Souls is way harder than Bloodborne, than it's pretty apparent you played Dark Souls first and not Demon's Souls. None of these games are that hard.
>>322309116
>which you obviously didn't play).
The BB fanboy's go-to excuse.
Y-y-you didn't play it!
Stop defending the removal and casualization of mechanics.
>>322308970
> Lower stamina consumption
Due to the lightweight armor forced?
> fewer equip slots
What? its the same as Darksouls.
> fewer stats
Maybe fewer relevant stats. But did anyone who knew what they were doing put points into resistance anyway?
> less equipment
Not sure what you mean. I wont be the guy who says trick weapons double up on total weapon count simply because you can change the moveset. But I dont understand your point here.
> more iframes on rolls
Cant really comment. It feels like to me that you dont get more iframes as much as the hitboxes are a little more generous. Might be due to iframes though.
> stack healing items without kindling or anything similar and heal while moving in less time than it took to chug an Estus
This is true. Though at a common complaint of 'having to farm for blood vials'
> covenants are butchered, PVP isn't as accessible, replay value took a hit due to shitty build variety
I'll concede to this.
>>322309476
If I never played it on any of my consoles, I don't see why I'd play it at all.
>>322309573
You're basically limited to one playstyle, that's the problem. I don't care if that one playstyle is faster, it's the only one there is so that right there hurts replay value.
>>322309579
>Due to the lightweight armor forced?
Or just by design, your basic attacks consume less tanima than they did in DaS and it refills more quickly.
>But I dont understand your point here.
It means there are fewer weapons and pieces of other equipment in the game.
>Demon's Souls
Best world gimmicks (World tendendy, character tendency,you are the boss of another player)
Best level design
>Dark Souls
Best covenants
Best armor sets
Best gameplay overall
>Dark Souls 2
Best NG+
>Bloodborne
Best Atmosphere
Best Lore
Best Primary Weapons
Best Soundtrack
Am I cool yet?
>>322308970
BB makes use of the changes and is adjusted accordingly. The enemies in DaS are a joke, BB is strictly harder in this sense. Their literally isn't 1 single difficult mob in DaS besides giant dogs (that you just cheese anyways) and I can think of a dozen nasty mobs in BB.
Enemies are much more aggressive, can't be strafed, enemies pursue longer (some infinitely), enemies will attack their hindquarters if you dive for their nuts, enemy attacks cannot be ignored by shields and poise, ranged is strictly worse, etc.
I mean I could go on. That's just the problems with basic enemies in DaS compared to BB.
>BB is less punishing
how? There are enemies that are designed to exploit your limitations. Just look at the Watchers boss fight. try beating some bosses on your own sometime as well.
>Lower stamina consumption
yeah, for dashes. leveling endurance stat barely helps and you're lucky if you can get a combo out.
>fewer equip slots
no rings? dark souls 2 suffered from an overabundance of junk, and even gave you a regenerating health ring right at the beginning of the game.
>less equipment
fair enough, but with a game as tightly focused as bloodborne, any new weapon has to be balanced enough for inclusion. simon's bowblade is a bad example, it breaks PVE combat if you get it early on.
>you can stack healing items
yeah, you can do that in dark souls 2 and demon's souls. dark souls did it pretty okay in how it limited you, but there are a lot of situations in bloodborne where healing will kill you (especially in pvp).
>covenants are butchered
almost the same "butchering" that dark souls 1 suffered from, and dark souls 2 had a shit load of pointless covenants that had no benefit.
>PVP isn't accessible
literally not true.
>replay value took a hit due to shitty build variety
i'm 8 builds into bloodborne. lots of build variety. pure builds or leaning quality builds offer a lot of fun builds.
i dumped 50 hours into demon's souls back in the day, probably 100 hours into dark souls, a few hours into dark souls 2, but bloodborne i've gone 300 hours into and more. it's just so good anon, shame you didn't like it.
>>322309261
>>Can't handle BB being streamlined
As stated above it had more variety than DeS, how exactly is that a bad thing?
>>Eveything DaS did was BAD!
Typical, changing someone's words to fit your agenda.
DaS1 did a lot of things wrong from a mechanics standpoint which I listed, which you also ignored by sticking your head in the and because you have no actual retort.
>>322309261
>Can't just admit BB took the formula and dumbed it down just a little?
Oh there's no denying BB simplified some aspects of the Souls formula, but in return it also made others more in depth.
The combat itself for example, every weapon has over twice the moveset of DaS weapons, and 2 extra buttons you can use to attack. This means more choice in combat, having actual combos available, how poise is tied to your weapon through hyper armour meaning you have to think on the fly 'is now the best time to use my hyper armour transform attack to tank hit?' etc.
Not to mention the gem system is far more advanced than the elemental upgrade system in DaS. You can go as far as to change a weapon's scaling with gems.
>>322309573
>Also NG+ is actually challenging, not as hard as Demon's Souls NG+, but not laughable like Dark Souls.
I always thought NG+ was easier. I've never really had issue with them in any of the games. DeS, DaS, or BB. You're just so fucking strong at that point that I steamrolled everything. The other day I rushed to help a dude kill Ludwig on NG++ or something, and killed him on NG+ at the first try while waiting for him. Literally no trouble at all compared to what I went through on NG.
>>322309756
This. I've been playing with my skill, strength, and bloodtinge characters, and they have their differences, but not as noticeable as the builds I made on DeS and DaS.
>>322309261
Not that anon, nut not having the exact same stats in Bloodborne, which is a new IP, as Dark Souls doesn't make it inherently streamlined. Its a different beast in practice. Also why have 100 generic weapons with 90% that I'll never use as opposed to 2 dozen that I'll actually dick around with and are all radically different.
Also Dark Souls is the easiest Souls-like, it's pretty apparent you played it first before the other games.
>>322309923
> it refills more quickly.
It feels like it takes a bit less stamina to use a kirkhammer than say, a zweihammer sure. But at high end it seems to take a while longer for the stamina to fully recharge. But I'm not exactly bean counting.
>fewer weapons and pieces of other equipment
Seems to me that a lot of the hunters weapons make up for that.
Also the trick weapons are much more satisfying to use due to combining movesets. Again, not counting beans. But apparently the DLC had added a lot of new whatever.
Personally I find the combat in bloodborne to be more satisfying even if the total amount of options may be a bit more trimmed. For good or worse.
I wont call one better than the other, objectively. They're both great games.
>>322309575
>Stop defending the removal and casualization of mechanics.>>
See
>slowest paced game in the series
>enemies do far less damage due to broken armour system
>bosses have far less health than those in Bloodborne
>heavy armour is broken
>upgradable armour breaks it even further
>upgradable Estus power that eventually lets even 40VIT almost full heal in 1 chug while tanking any and all hits due to poise
>can hide behind shields
>even small shields have broken stability
>instant backstabs
>hilariously broken poise that lets even light armour tank most hits and means you can't be stunned out of healing
>hilariously broken magic
>checkpoints are far more frequent
>removed the health drain from hollowed mode that was in DeS
DaS1 is the most casual game in the series by design faggot.
>>322310085
Nope. Shrine of Storms, and 2 parts of Boletaria were linear as fuck. The level design was actually the worse outside of DkS 2
>>322310085
I agree with this except for lore, I liked DaS much more.
And you forgot best waifu on DeS.
>>322309714
>I don't see why I'd play it at all
Because it's good game?
Anyway you don't even have to play those games to tell that they are structured in exactly the same way as GTA games, even the controls and combat are very similar.
In fact in terms of gameplay Redemption is a lot more similar to GTA than Revolver. But everyone still considers it part of the Red Dead series.
Just the fact that it's not called GTA:Redemption is enough to consider it not part of that series but it also has enough differences to separate itself from GTA, same goes for Bloodborne and Souls.
>>322310085
>you are the boss of another player
good times
but i'd have to disagree that dark souls has best combat, and especially best covenants. dark souls 1 had shitty covenants and dark souls 2 made no attempts to fix the issues with them. bloodborne didn't do any better, to be fair. no game deserves "best covenants" especially if they haven't ever been done proper.
also, i kind of like demon's souls armor more. something about that yurt set and the main protagonist's poster set.
>>322301584
That was my point.
She -is- casual. She plays point and click adventures and candy crush.
The point is that even for someone like that, bloodborne is manageable. So what holds back anyone? If she can do it, anyone can.
>>322306664
many people may gravitate towards the meta in pvp unfortunately, but it's not as if they don't have the option not to, certainly I didnt. the extent to which you can deviate from that meta is limited in BB compared to other souls games.
>>322310373
>zweihammer
Zweihander.
Fuck.
>>322310620
Gascoigne has caused me more grief than vicar or any other boss with maybe the exception of a certain hunter npc.
Come to think of it, the hunter npcs and hunter bosses are the most brutal encounters in spite of knowing their moveset inherently
>>322309282
The first time I beat the Headless Bloodletting Beast my hands were shaking.
That guy is a motherfucker. People complain about Amy and the Hotdog, but I swear HBLB is the truly nightmarish part of the Chalice Dungeons.
>>322310676
but anon, as that slimy fellow philosopher zizek once quoted from some roman guy, "Cui bono?" which can also translate to why the fuck should i do this thing. the problem in dark souls is "why should i bother using this lesser equipment", "why should i beat this optional boss who gives an item i won't use ever?"
for those people who have a problem like that, bloodborne gave a solution that fits in nicely with its aesthetic.
>>322289226
if you own a ps4 and don't have it you're a fucking moron.
if you don't own a ps4 but have a pc then its probably not worth it to get the ps4 for bloodborne unless the 2016 exclusives offering for some reason excites you
if you don't have a next gen console or pc then go for it
>>322309756
My entire playstyle NG in bloodborne was strength with Ludvigs since I rolled greatswords in Souls. I watch a VaatiVidya video with the Mercy Blade, Skill set and it looks way different.
The game is built around a core faster gameplay, but the nuance of gameplay difference is way less apparent because its so much faster than Souls and there are no sheilds. It comes down to more your weapon and gun that anything else.
What makes Souls different in playstyle that Bloodborne doesn't have is a true heavy set style like a Havel.
>>322310245
Did you finish DeS NG+? 4-2 is a fucking nightmare, was stuck on it for a month.
I think the problem is the souls dropped don't scale like in the rest of the games so you can't get stronger with the enemies getting buffed through leveling.
That said, Bloodborne NG+ isn't DeS hard, but I'm not one shotting bosses like in Dark Souls NG+.
>>322291971
>>Worst invasion system of the series, you can only invade people who are summoning players to their world, making most attempts at invasion into 2 vs 1 gangbangs
while that's true for the most part, you can still invade in nightmare frontier/mensis for pub stomping. at least these places are later in the game so level 12 fags still learning how to parry aren't getting wrecked by twinks
>>322310529
Doll > Maiden homie
>>322310529
>Not liking Lovecraft
>>322310548
I'm just not interested anon. I'm not saying it's shit or anything, but I have a huge backlog of stuff I'd love to go through and RDR is not in it. I even had it pirated on my 360 but never got into it. I had fun with Vice City a decade ago, but for some reason other games keep taking my attention from any Rockstar release.
>same goes for Bloodborne and Souls
The games are so extremely similar that arguing about names seems pointless to me, and apparently most fans of the games.
I've played through all of them extensively and if someone thinks that because BB doesn't have "Souls" in its name it's not the same thing as the others, well, we might as well argue that DeS and DaS are not the same either because they also don't have the same name. The best I can agree with is that it's not directly connected to DaS or DeS, just like DaS is not directly connected to DeS, because that's an objective fact.
BB >= DaS = DeS >= SotFS > DaS2
Each game has its own flaws but overall each game was pretty fun. Along with improvement some shitty design choices were made and hopefully DaS3 is as good as most peoples expectations.
>>322289596
I have no idea who that is, and I don't think you do either anon.
>>322310085
Serious question, did you play Dark Souls first?
>>322311808
>Worst Game of the Year: Bloodborne
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/xavier-woods-top-10-games-of-2015/1100-5341/
>>322311742
I like Lovecraft a lot, but DaS 1 lore was so much better for me.
>>322311685
Doll is fine, too. She's also an amazon or my character is a midget.
>>322311753
>DeS and DaS are not the same either because they also don't have the same name
Nigga what?
Dark SOULS/Demon's SOULS = SOULS series.
Add to that the difference between BB and DaS is much bigger than the one between DaS and DeS.
>>322289226
Is it a game you should play? Absolutely. It's the best game of 2015 alongside Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate.
Should you buy the PS4 just to play it? Absolutely not. It's never worth it to buy a console just to play one game, even if that one game is GOTY material.
>>322310113
Now that I think about it, BB really does have some incredibly viscous mobs.
>Anchor Giants
>Winter Lanterns
>Red-Eyed Hunters
>Eye Piggies
>Forgotten Madmen
>Rolling Fatties
Who am I forgetting?
>>322311856
No which is why Demons is my personal favorite.
>>322311978
>I like Lovecraft a lot, but DaS 1 lore was so much better for me.
like fucking how? Bloodborne isn't even subtle, it's straight Lovecraft reimaginings. Dark Souls lore is more unfocused than anything, besides the crypic nature of all Souls lore. Like even when all told, its not that great of a narrative.
>>322311470
>Did you finish DeS NG+? 4-2 is a fucking nightmare, was stuck on it for a month.
I'm pretty sure I finished it at least once, and probably got to NG+++ or something with at least 1 character.
I say this because I clearly remember getting the Northern Regalia to use it on PvP, which required a minimum of 2 playthroughs in a character to obtain.
I never really had trouble with the souls either so I'm not sure what to tell you there. Maybe I was using a ring to get more? I don't even remember if DeS had one.
>>322311781
OFFICIAL TIER LIST OF MY ENJOYMENT:
Demon's Souls = Dark Souls > King's Field IV > King's Field II > Bloodborne > Shadow Tower Abyss > Dark Souls II > King's Field > Shadow Tower > King's Field III
Never played Eternal Ring, so that is missing from the tier list.
>>322312129
Please explain how it has the best overall gameplay.
>>322310549
>to be fair. no game deserves "best covenants" especially if they haven't ever been done proper.
fair enough , although I liked being a Gravelord back then
>>322310529
DaS is my second favorite lore , but I respect your taste
>>322310473
I fucking loved Tower of Latria and Valley Of Defilement so much , but yeah you have a good point there
>>322311856
I actually played them in order of release
>>322312363
You can get it in 1 playthrough.
>>322308279
The content drops off, but the first half should still be appreciated. The momentum from the first half definitely carries it through the second half. Also, there are still good moments in the second half of the game man, don't completely discredit it.
And I would argue the lore in bloodborne isnt nearly as good or interesting as dark souls. Dark souls is backed by better writing, from item descriptions to dialogue.
The content in dark souls isn't barren in the second half. Dukes archives is chock full of content. And the resolution to every NPC story is awesome.
Bloodborne has better level design in an architectural sense, as everything is laid out beautifully. But the environments in dark souls are fucking amazing, and expand beyond wet hell and wet London.
Everything just melded so fucking perfectly in dark souls, but I appreciate the efforts of both games.
>>322293273
Just as soon as Last of Us and Uncharted and other IPs that Sony completely owns get PC releases.
i.e. maybe in a few decades.
>>322311978
DaS1's lore was just a shitty remake of DeS with changes here and there.
80% of the NPCs were literally taken from DeS too.
>>322312417
>All these Kings Fields games
What am I missing out on? Never played any of them, nor Demons or DaS2
>>322310085
you cannot tell me you actually liked that world tendency bullshit
also i definitely preferred DeS's soundtrack and BB's level design, but other than that I agree with most of that. really sad that BB and DaS2 couldn't do pvp/covenants as well as DaS
>>322312656
>lore in bloodborne isn't as good
anon are you crazy? i haven't ever experienced a lovecraftian world like this in a video game ever before, especially one that takes such a unique spin on it. it blew my mind when it turned out that theayylmaos are inherently benevolent, and that humans caused their own destruction.maybe it's just me, but that's a lot more interesting than dark souls lore, which is great no doubt, but it's underdeveloped.
>>322312793
>80% of the NPCs were literally taken from DeS too.
While I somewhat agree that a lot of the core archetypes were carryovers from DeS, at least DaS changed their personalities a bit from their DeS counterparts. Pic related compared to Yurt were different in their goals at least.
>>322312847
World tendency was fine, your actions had a change in how the world behaved whether is was making it slightly harder or NPCs being hostile.
Limited lizards was bullshit though and I fucking hated having to grind for pure bladestone.
>>322312341
I simply like the way that the gods are portrayed in the game, how the game fucks you up about being the chosen undead, about so many things being illusions or lies, how the snakes are cunning cunts, and how at the end it's some poor sod trying to delay the inevitable and keep a dying age going even if just for a little while longer.
The game outright lying to you about your purpose and so many other things in the way that DaS does it just clicked very well with me. Just a personal preference, really.
>>322313014
>your actions had a change in how the world behave
Not that anon but, your actions didn't mean shit unless you played offline.
And that's the only world tendency does, force you to play offline.
>>322312417
They're pretty good as long as you know exactly what you're getting into, dungeon crawling at a much slower pace. In first person. I'd recommend IV since it is most modern one, then try II.
>>322312643
Yes, you're right. My mistake, but I clearly remember going twice through the game with the same character. One time I killed the MiB, and the other I didn't.
>>322312793
1. Crestfallen Warrior
2. Patches
Crestfallen serves as a tone setter. This is a throwback, not a lazy copy.
Patches is a copy, but done so well that I don't mind.
>>322312656
>And I would argue the lore in bloodborne isnt nearly as good or interesting as dark souls. Dark souls is backed by better writing, from item descriptions to dialogue.
It's Lovecraft you fucking retard. The Fishing Hamlet is literally The Shadow over Innsmouth. Instead of The Great Old Ones in Call of Cthulu, its the Great Ones. Miyazaki isn't even hiding it, the whole game is just him expressing how much he loves Lovecraft.
To even compare it to Dark Souls' is fucking disgraceful. Go crack a book, faggot.
Not op, but I actually bought a PS4 today, just for this game. I now own all 3 next gen consoles
Feels good.
>>322313176
Oh yeah I completely forgot about that, my bad.
I still found it a nice touch.
>>322312110
>Bone Ash Hunter w/ pups.
>Chalice Maidens.
>Chalice Witches.
>Nightmare Apostle.
>Cainhurst Bloodlicker.
>Yhargul Casket.
>>322313229
Sorry, meant to reply to this guy: >>322312807
>>322312934
Yea, I feel like that quality of the lore between the games is subjective. The whole "the world is fucked here's some dark ass medieval fantasy bullshit" resonates more with me than "cthulu and fucked up churches". I haven't finished the game tho, so I could change my mind.
Thank you for spoiling that though.
>>322313267
>>322312793
why is talk of npcs even a thing? in every game they are quite underdeveloped. every game essentially has a character that will come and kill the rest of them, and every game has characters that end up dying at the end of their quest. i at least love bloodborne because the npcs establish the two major rival covenants of the game, and god i just love the idea of giant metal head men with wheels murdering katana saber royal guardsmen.
>>322313482
>>322312110
>bloodlickers
jesus christ i'm getting PTSD just thinking about them, thank god its extremely easy to just run past them in cainhurst
>>322313057
You like that over Lovecraft? Lame.
>>322313451
Dear /v/,
no one but "lel I am such a geek" losers from reddit like Lovecraft.
Love,
/lit/
PS: Adapting elements from fiction does not make the story in anyway better than DaS.
>>322313532
>every game as npcs that end up dying at the end
Well that's because of the theme of dark souls. The whole message is how pointless everyone's endeavour is. Either they'll be killed by the fire, killed by the world, or achieve their life's goal and be killed by the curse. That's the whole point. It sets an impending doom and I fucking love it because of that.
>>322312110
I wish I could've experienced those white bitches in the chalices that run freakishly fast at an appropriate level. Seemed like it would've been spooky.
>>322313604
Some of the enemies are boss-like, in that you have to actually fight them for a bit so you don't get randomly blown up.
can we talk about ludwig? i thought he was cool.
what was your favorite boss or boss fight,.
>>322313519
>in a conversation about how good lore is between each game
>hasn't beaten one of them
sorry anon, it's not my fault.
>>322313784
i love it too anon, there are no happy endings in any game.
>>322298157
>and Miyazaki says it isn't one
Just keep saying things randomly anon, I'm sure that'll make them true.
>>322313638
You seem to think that BB = Lovecraft, and I'm not sure why. Lovecraft didn't write BB, From took that as a source and used it for their game, that's it. The writing for item descriptions, cutscenes, character dialogue, and everything that makes up BB's lore is not written by Lovecraft.
>>322313934
Ludwig is probably the best first time boss to play against.
I really liked Ivory King and Sir Alonne from the DaS2 DLC as well.
>>322313934
Definitely Ludwig. Haven't been that intimate with a move set since 140 shaggy.
>>322313451
He didn't write BB, nigger. I'm not comparing his works with DaS. Kill yourself.
Man it saddens me seeing all these people dis Bloodborne's PVP, I've had more fun in this than any of the Souls games bar maybe DeS since it was my first.
It definitely has the steepest learning curve imo, but if you give it a chance it's a blast, especially taking out 2 buttbuddies then watching the host to run away and DC.
>>322303975
>Cernygod
Oh man, I remember when Sony fanboys were trying to make that a thing and then Knack actually came out and no one mentioned Cerny ever again.
>>322314016
Lovecraft doesn't strike a chord in me.
>>322313761
We could publish your post as a novella and title it "Pretension, The Post".
Piss off, /lit/fag, if you truly /lit/ then you have no idea what you're talking about being on /v/.
>>322313784
My nigger. That's one of the reason why I love it.
It's this shit about people endlessly struggling. Some think they can do it, so they keep trying. Others have no hope but they go for it anyway, even though they don't know what to do. At the end, most of them are fucked, but they tried. They tried their best, and it just resonates so much, maybe because it kinda feels like that's what humanity is sometimes.
>>322314427
i'm not the biggest fan of it either anon, i read mountain of madness and watched videos of call of cthulhu (that shitty old game), but don't much care other than that. it's just that bloodborne is so overwhelmingly well done, from your first inclinations that it's a gothic van hellsing to suddenly becoming eldritch horrors. it's really unlike anything i've ever seen.
>>322289604
lol
>>322314503
>implying I can't enjoy /lit/ and browse /v/ to shitpost
I also browse /co/ and /mu/. You can visit multiple boards.
>>322314110
>>322314225
Wait, you're telling me an early 20th century author didn't make this year's GOTY?
For real though, it's not a one to one adaption but every bit of the lore is Lovecraft inspired somehow.
>>322314667
Oh shit, I liked the execution of Eternal Darkness, I'll keep an open mind anon. I'm hoping I turn to love it since everything else is so fucking good.
>>322312417
Bloodborne is the top of the list, actually.
>>322289596
He fucking did? Nigga, now I'm ashamed of my New Day shirt. I'm gonna feel dirty every time I mark for them. Bloodborne is great.
>>322313057
>I simply like the way that the gods are portrayed in the game
You mean as just citizens of Anor Londo?
What's interesting about that?
>>322313761
DaS is still strictly worst:
>Endlessly repeat a cycle of light and dark, while the plot follows the murky motivations of gods you'll never meet with a shred of sanity. What you do has no bearing on anything, because eventually someone else will do it either way.
BB is much better:
>Eldritch blood is found with great and terrible powers, and a two men disagree how to use it commune with the gods. The fallout from the different paths they take has disastrous results. The shit you do matters, and you were a snowflake.
>>322314816
>I also browse /co/ and /mu/
That tells me all I need to know about you. When were you diagnosed with autism?
>>322314816
/mu/ sucks balls.
>>322315091
>>322315048
Feels like it's just a preference about subject.
Both are great, I enjoyed them a lot.
>>322314816
>I also browse /co/
Not that Anon but why would you tell anyone that ever?
>>322311228
(fun)
>>322315091
>a human actually wrote this post
>>322315091
Honestly from those descriptions you gave I prefer DaS. The fucking point of that game is that you don't matter to those around you. It's beautifully done. Loved Majora's Mask for the same reason.
>>322316004
They're just so different, that comparing them is kinda dumb. It's all about what you want to experience at one point. Both scratch different itches.
I found this guy near some dead bodies in the forbidden forest. Should I tell him about the chapel or the clinic?
>>322316004
I can understand that. My major gripe with DaS was more about how lifeless and boring the lore/plot is regardless of it's underlying themes.
BB just has a lot more going on.
>>322316539
Clinic.
Iosephka knows what she's doing
>>322316539
What would you do if you found a dude hunched over a bunch of dead bodies?
>>322304228
The couple times I've died when having a summoned partner I atone by refusing to summon anyone else and to fight the boss naked. I feel like a fucking cunt for wasting a co-operator's time like that.
>>322316539
Look real close at what he's doing, anon.
And the dude is obviously kinda sick, surely Iosefka can give him a hand.
>>322316232
>>322316571
Yup. They're really just different flavors. You call it boring but I really enjoyed exploring the lore in DaS.
>>322316539
Have you got a screw loose?
>>322289226
If you like braindead casual combat and mmo style grinding then go for it.
>>322312110
>>322313482
>Bloodlickers
>Bone Ash Hunter pups
>Anchor Giants
>Winter Lanterns
Holy fucking Christ. These are some of the most traumatizing standard enemies of any game ever. They're all modern day version of the Ninja Gaiden birds.
>>322317369
>They're all modern day version of the Ninja Gaiden birds.
Let's not exaggerate anon. There's a special place in hell for whoever designed those falcons.
>>322317658
I think it's an apt comparison. I've played NG so much that I can take care of the birds flawlessly and never be hit. They're all annoying fucking enemies that force you to dedicate some effort into gitting gud.
>>322289226
It's good.
Don't let it be the only reason to buy a PS4 though.
>>322317369
Bone Ash Hunter pups are those cunts in Chalice Dungeons with the red eyes that breathe fire, right?
>>322317119
Trust me anon. Iosefka is a doctor.
>>322317945
Listen to this man.
>>322317878
Yes, that can stunlock you into fucking oblivion if you're even slightly careless.
>>322293273NEVER EVER
>>322289226
My Rom battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AUcuYGUkpA
