Why is this game so bashed about?...
if not for the memes the shooting and loot is actually good
It's a singleplayer MMO.
>>322140512
drop rates kinda suck, you'd get more good stuff on average in BL1
purples are too rare and not even that good
>>322140720
it's not singleplayer???
No tanks to ride on.
They give me a dune buggy and a raider truck, but no tank.
Also no mechs to pilot. No form of aerial vehicular assault. And especially no dinosaurs with lasers and armor strapped onto them that you can ride on.
Also no followers, I get lonely out there.
Because, not even getting into the memes, the writing is so shitty it makes it physically painful to play.
>>322140720
So is Chronoblade yet people here seem to love it anyway.
I was expecing more, but it's the only loot based shooter I enjoyed, don't know anything else besides
>>322140512
meme meme meme meme meme meme meme
>meme meme
meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme
>meme meme meme meme meme meme meme
meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme
>>322140512
Not really. It's a bunch of slow moving retarded enemies that you repeatedly shoot in their weak spot until they're dead. Do that until its time to transition to "hit the Use button a lot."
Shits boring.
>>322141147
Destiny is the only thing that comes to my mind, but is on the psmeh so thats your choice
>>322140512
Def my favorite game of all time. Can replay anyday.
Y'all haters can suck my bent one
>>322140512
Shooting sucks and so does the loot. I lost the will to continue when I met tiny Tina
the shooting is okay
the loot system is markedly worse than it was in the first game, particularly because of their adoption of the "X legendary gun comes from Y enemy" scheme.
a couple of items are dropped this way in BL1, but for the most part it's just totally random. BL2 has it so you have a teeny teeny tiny chance of getting any legendary from any source, but any particular gun will have a better chance of dropping from one specific enemy, so if you wanted a certain gun you just had to farm that one enemy over and over until you got it.
unlike BL1, where I could do crawmerax and farmory over and over and get different stuff each time
this was my GOTY 2012/2013/half of 2014
kept going back to it
It is not as great as BL1. Still good. They nerfed dropped rates so hard and then they nerfed those said guns. But 10x better than presequel.
>>322140512
The porn that came from it is good.
Specifically I didn't like the arena and I didn't like the loot and leveling system.
Just have static fucking level areas that have rare spawning monsters that drop rare loot. That's all you need to do. Do not have lazy fucking leveled areas with static spawns that feel like a hassle to do and which drop the same shit constantly. And let me redo every goddamn boss I want to redo without having to go to new game+ or run through a 30 minute long area to get there.
Also none of the classes were particularly fun.
>>322141585
>"X legendary gun comes from Y enemy" scheme
blame Diablo 2
that game had some genius skill designs, music, art etc., but I hate the "boss raid" thing it added to the ARPG genre
>>322141603
it's better than BL1 because there's more than 2 environments and 3 enemy types
>>322141746
this is a christian board desu
Didn't the loot sytem get patched recently?
>>322140806
how is BL 1, saw the sale with all the dlc for a decent price.
>>322141803
>boss raid
that was completely fucking retarded.
i didn't follow if they ever changed this, but i remember some of the raid bosses actually having a fucking daily timer on them, you could only fight them once per day.
this is not a fucking mmorpg, there is no need to try to regulate the economy like that. mostly because there IS no fucking economy.
do you still remember your first orange?
mine was that homing corrosive grenade that bounced off multiple people corroding them all
>when a hacker dups oranges
>tfw dont want to feel tainted
>eventually give in
>>322142678
Yeah, I always end up giving myself ridiculous shit with the Gibbed save editor whenever I pick the game back up.
>>322140512
>if not for the memes
Problem is these are so bad that it ruins the game greatly.
>>322143250
it doesn't if you're not autistic
The fun really starts when you play as Krieg.
Maya > Lilith
>tfw always play commando
the goliaths are my favorite enemy easily
>tfw making them levelup
>tfw they talk shit to you
>COWARD COMMANDO
>IM GONNA SHOVE THAT TURRET RIGHT UP YOU
>IM GONNA GOUGE YOUR EYES OUT
>tfw got a legendary commando mod out of rolands armory when first opened it
its like christmas
>>322142294
BL1 is not very good IMO. That said, I actually enjoyed it and ran through it solo, but it's very repetitive. The environments are samey for huge chunks of the game and the variety in enemy types and behaviors is abysmal. That said, the atmosphere is actually pretty good at parts, and half of DLCs are good. Also revolvers rule, so I dunno, if you can tolerate repetitive games and aren't money-hurt, give it a try?
>>322140512
shit gun progression, where even the shittiest rarity will be statistically better than your purple, if it's even a few levels higher.
God-awful droprates
Shitty raid bosses
Nerfing shit in a cooperative game because it allows you to efficiently farm those shitty raid bosses with god-awful drop rates
opinion tier:
They ruined gun aesthetics
>>322143480
Agreed, Kreig was one of the few characters that I really got into playing. I also have to say I really enjoyed playing Maya once I got a few elemental bonuses with her. Not to mention she a cute
>>322144004
>They ruined gun aesthetics
I will never understand that opinion.
>>322143389
If the game was going to have memes and writing this shit it would have been better off having no story. There's plenty of better shooters out there that don't go out of their way to annoy the player with unfunny memes and dialogue through the whole game.
>>322144325
>through the whole game
it's not, though.
the shitty internet jokes are realistically like 1% of the game experience. you can dislike the writing as a whole, but pop culture references a very minor part.
they are shit, but you've got some other problems to deal with if they're somehow ruining the whole experience for you
>>322144325
I can agree with you that most of the writing is fairly shitty, but if you are going to say the entire dialogue/plot was memes I think you probably either haven't played the game or got really hung up on what are mostly extremely minor fraction of the game. It isn't a great game, but it's not like you are playing as claptrap in 2 at least.
>>322140512
No idea. The game is tons of fun with friends and probably the best way to play it (never rolled solo).
>>322145270
>that jiggle
>>322140512
There is like one reference to skyrim. This 'meme' thing doesn't exist.
It's a fun game, as usual /v/ hates it because it's popular.
Everything about this game is mediocre except the art style which is above average and the writing and characters which is awful
>>322141209
Yeah
>>322140512
But it's not. 1 was better at loot and Shooting.
2 and the memequeal was worse in all aspects.
>>322140512
>fucked up the loot system
>fucked up the scaling
>fucked UP the scaling
Those are my main complaints. Yes, scaling deserved to be listed twice.
is there any shooter that manages to make loot enjoyable? and dont say Destiny, dont want to get a ps4
>>322145501
It's not even jiggling, it's like her torso is just contracting violently
>>322143480
My most enjoyable moment was playing Gaige with the Firehawk. I couldn't help but smile as my ghost robot flew around in a series of explosions.
>>322144004
>Ruined gun aesthetics
hows that shit taste going for ya?
Because nobody fucking plays it anymore.
>>322145789
But it doesn't scale. There's more loot and the gameplay is tightened up. And it fixed a lot of issues the original had.
>>322144692
>>322145075
My problem is that somehow they didn't do this shit with BL1. The story and dialogue for 1 was definitely not the greatest in gaming but compared to 2 and PS it is pretty much light years above those games.
I heard that shitter Burch is supposedly fired though so perhaps the third game is going to be a vast improvement in this regard. And for god's sake they need to stop shoving sexuality down people's throats. We get enough of that in other places. We play games for entertainment. Not to circle jerk about half the characters being gender binary or gay. To even mention it so much as they do is unecessary. Like saying Axton is bi for no reason besides "lol diversity" so he's gay now because we want it that way :)
>>322145793
Don't worry, nobody would say Destiny.
Getting loot in that game is fucking awful.
>>322145789
this, I loved the fuck out of the first game, but hated the second because of the butt-fuck retarded scaling on enemy health in the late game and TVHM playthroughs
also no weapon masteries
>>322143706
>i played a 4 player co-op game solo
>i somehow think my opinion matters
fucking jesus.
>>322142294
play it with 3 friends on voice chat, and you'll have a great time. though i think the art style aged badly. looked amazing at launch.
>>322140512
It works in reverse. Early enemies die in 1-5 shots, by the end it's 76 mags. Your weapons get weaker the stronger they get.
Read that again. It is fucking retarded. I can tolerate that shit but then Tiny Tina shows up. There has never in the history of gaming been a more annoying character. Never.
>>322146359
>weapon masteries
That was such a crappy systembut I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss it. It was so much better than Badass Ranking.
>>322146289
Wasn't it just they didn't omit that line for Axton and said fuck it and Burch acted like "I'm bi and so is he because I am I love diversity!!!" I never actually paid that much attention to it 2bh
>>322140512
>The loot is good
Holy fuck. Is this why you play games?
>>322146669
Pretty much something like this. They didn't create him like that. Only afterwards for no other reason besides his faggotry powerlevel started growing stronger did they agree to make him gay.
Imagine if Capcom one day just felt like saying Dante is a bisexual tranny. That's pretty much the logic behind this decision.
>>322147052
I feel like it is a bit different because Axton isn't an established character, but "now he is gay" in games that don't have romance sideplots don't really bother me that much so long as every line isn't about how much they sucking cock or eating pussy. Axton being bi didn't make, sense but at least he didn't end up like Athena.
>>322147628
>Athena
>years of Atlas training turned me into an emotionless robot
>this moon dyke won't leave me alone, guess I'm gay now
Fuck Burch.
My guns were always ass.
If I did get a good gun, it would last me a couple levels and back to 10 more of nothing. My character build usually didn't work either. Then I saw the grindfest endgame and almost went for it.I already play MMOs so fuck doing that shit twice over.
>>322147628
It's just pretty damn obnoxious how so many in the industry are trying to absolutely make an effort to force it. Mass Effect series is another offender.
>>322142678
my first orange in bl1 was the hellfire smg, suddenly the game was ez mode. It had like half the level I was and it was still eating through their hp so fast.
I don't remember on BL2Oh right, it's because the orange drop rate was almost non-existant
>>322141342
It's on both bro.
>>322140512
>the writing is shit
>removed a whole bunch of guns
>replaced them with a whole bunch of silly gimmicks that significantly reduced the selection of guns you would realistically use
>made all the enemies have a shit ton of health and do a ton of damage so that you had to min-max to reinforce once again the very narrow selection of guns you could use to defeat them
>slag is required to do any sort of damage in harder difficulties so once again you are narrowing the already thin selection of guns to choose from because the only stat you look for in slag weapons is the slag chance, making every single other slag weapon in the game you find completely useless
>DLCs were completely hollow and mostly rushed and largely unfinished
good thing i didn't have to pay for this game
How is the pre-memequel ? Does it have enough post game content ? The thing i really liked about BL2 is that you could do a fucking lot after finishing the story, and the 4 DLC more than doubled the content of the game.
Also the scaling on enemies, this shit was driving me insane in the 3rd or 4th PT of BL2.
oh i forgot
>99% of purples are dogshit
>made it so that legendaries are tied to specific bosses and can no longer appear in containers other enemy drops or in shops
>>322149072
it's even worse than BL2
>>322148551
The manufacture barely changed shit in the first game, so adding or removing manufacturers isn't relevant.
>Oh no they removed atlas, a company that specialised in generic guns that did nothing extraordinary. boo hoo.
>>322149074
>that last graph
literally the only complain I have about the game, fuck the shitty scaling.
>>322149072
I personally couldn't get through it to find out if this was the case. I had to beg my friend to play it with me in order to find some semblance of entertainment, and she already had it. She couldn't get herself to play it either, and her obsession with BL2 was frightening.
>>322149074
>made it so that legendaries are tied to specific bosses and can no longer appear in containers other enemy drops or in shops
That's bullshit and you know it. Legendaries can still appear in red crates, regardless of who drops it.
>>322149178
>>322149414
I'll just wait for BL3 then. Too bad because Athena seemed fun to play.
>>322149192
only a few gimmick manufacturers were actually good.
Dahl - garbage because no fully auto
Hyperion - have to miss a bunch of shots to stabilize aim
Jakobs - "If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs". I use it because it has very few drawbacks.
Maliwan - great
Bandit - horseshit
Tediore - not even a gun anymore when all you do is shoot once so you can reload it and do the gimmick damage
Torgue - removed the explosive elemental from every gun that could spawn it and made it strictly Torgue only. That being said Borderlands 2 Torgue still does the job well.
Vladof - not even in the same league in regards to fire rate compared to Borderlands 1. I don't use it in Borderlands 2.
>coprorate bitch
my favorite gun
At least playing as the DLC classes is fun.
>mfw 2015 was a terrible year
>mfw didn't have a single gf for the entire year
>mfw my parents still hate me
>mfw got fired
>mfw got barely enough money to live let alone buying vidya
>mfw i probably have brain tumor because headaches won't stop
>mfw smoking fucked my health all to hell
>mfw i am alone in new year
>mfw i am ugly as fuck probably die alone
>mfw i am still glad i am not Anthony Burch.
>>322141796
>he hasn't played Melee Zer0
>>322149454
they might have patched it. i'm talking about the year or so after release. if you didn't play the game during that time then you won't understand.
>BL2
>all kinds of variety in the levels
>TPS
>all the same shit
>>322150104
I got a Hornet from a box in Opportunity a week after release. Why do you lie?
>>322141585
Yeah, that is easily the worst thing about BL2. If they added BL1 style legendary drops in it, it would allow you to play it far more interestingly than just grinding that some single enemy.
>>322140512
The shooting is awful and grabbing individual loot items in first person is tedius. The art style also looks awful and hurts my eyes in motion.
>>322150104
They always had a chance to drop randomly from pretty much anyone or anywhere, it's just that those rates are astronomically small.
>>322150297
Then you must have gotten lucky as fuck.
three main issues with the game
ironically there are only a few good weapon types, jakobs and dahl in particular are just double trash, this is not a good game for semi-automatics
there are only a few enemy types, and the harder ones are only hard because they are bullet sponges
the game forces you to watch the entire story
...for all three difficulty settings
...for every character you play
>>322150297
stop lying.
i have almost 3 max level characters and i never once found any legendary from anything other than the boss that dropped it.
>>322150468
like <1% i believe
I enjoyed it.
The writing at times is funny, at times is forced.
The audio logs in the wildlife preserver where you have to try an piece together multiple gay couples was confusing shit. I don't care how progressive they think they're being, you can't follow the conversations for shit when you've multiple same sex couples with no names.
Also, just to make this clear... The guy Tiny Tina has you torture for killing her parents... That's actually her lobotomised dad right?
>evil smasher glitch
that was the most fun
wish TPS had a weapon like it
>doing the ESG 10 times in a row and using the infinity pistol
>>322150514
so you do agree with me that because of weapon manufacturer gimmicks there are so many guns that you simply could not use and did not bother picking up?
Birch has left and there's no way the Australian team is being given BL3 right?
The dialogue in TPS was painful.
>>322150772
yes they should have spent more of that development time on random enemy characteristics like diablo2, instead of giving the same worthless hyperion sniper rifles lots of minor variations
it would also have been acceptable to just make the weapon variations a little more significant
>>322150482
>legs only come from their assigned bosses
>except when it comes from crates because you were lucky
>>322150543
Why would I lie? You simply have shit luck. The game has legit flaws without people making up bullshit.
>>322150543
0.001% for a legendary to drop.
0.1% for a purple.
1% for a blue.
>>322148086
That's because the Hellfire's DoT stacked on itself, you could shoot an enemy with like 5 bullets and the DoT would finish the job
Meanwhile, in BL2, DoTs become useless after level 30
>>322151028
wonder how many enemies you kill on a playthrough.
5-10K?
You will probably never have a random legendary drop getting a character to max level.
>>322151028
i never even got excited for purples as i did in borderlands 1.
at least you could spend cash on rare guns that appeared every so often in vending machines.
now in borderlands 2 you could just die over and over and don't give a fuck about losing cash because it's useless.
>>322140512
>Levels 1-30
Good. You can pick up any gun from any crate or even a toilet and use it.
>TVHM, levels 31-50
This is where the game is best. You can't use any gun anymore, but the balancing is what feels good and natural. Enemies pose a threat but you can still take them out.
>UVHM, 51+
Garbage. The only viable weapons and gear are ones you need to farm bosses for. Farming takes eons to actually work because of the retardidly low droprates. Not only that, but every 3-5 or so levels you need to re-grind for the same gear but a couple levels higher. Story needs to be beaten countless times in order to grind yourself up to level 72. Enemies can very easily dispatch you unless you have gear that you farmed for.
>>322140512
>the shooting is good
Like fuck it is. Nobody at Gearbox has ever shot a gun in their lives.
If you tried to use the sights on Borderland guns in real life you'd either be digging for potatoes or shelling the trailer park two miles away.
>>322150892
thankfully 2K Australia went bankrupt so you don't need to worry
>>322150998
Yeah you got lucky. I know they appear in red crates too but the drop rates is still bullshit.
>>322150543
Than you're just unlucky
Also got a storm front from a vending machine once and saw a bouncing bonny or whatever the fuck it is in another (but who the fuck uses bouncing betties?)
>>322140512
>if not for the memes the shooting and loot is actually good
The shooting is atrocious, exactly because of the looting system.
>>322150892
The writing was trash and all in TPS but I sort of like the idea of the moon being populated entirely by insane Australians.
>>322151498
I know this is hard to believe, but there are people in the world that are older than 20
these people don't take ADS controller-friendly call of duty shit seriously
these people just get a vladof pistol and hip-fire the fuck out of it
which is how fps games should work, except for the part where the bullets don't fire straight unless you are also right clicking
and for some reason the character moves at half speed unless you press shift, the 'move at normal speed' button
![OP6_Elegant_Wanderlust[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MUIhjaG.jpg "OP6_Elegant_Wanderlust[1].jpg")
how far can you make it into the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtmaEYM1Cvg
for all of you who haven't played a game in this series:
The light blue color means it is the rarest level in the game. It is even harder to find than legendaries.
>>322151224
Unless the DoTs are stick to you in which case you're fucked
>>322151419
TVHM is a waste of fucking time. Learn how to "slag 'n swap" which matching elemental. Aim for criticals. I can get through UVHM no problem with most any gear and a good slagging weapon.
>>322151419
>Farming takes eons to actually work because of the retardidly low droprates.
When was the last time you played, fag? The base drop rates of all legendaries were increased.
It's amazing the disparity between people who complain about BL2 loot and people who actually play the fucking game is. Start a new character and see how many people have hacked their weapons in with a legendary class mod at level 1. No one cares about the grind anymore, it's just about builds and OP levels.
>>322151301
To be fair, most enemies have multiple "rolls" for loot to drop, and certain bosses have an absolute shit load of rolls. That being said, it's still entirely feasible for someone to never encounter a legendary drop.
>>322151498
The game has accuracy as a stat, iron sights will never garentee acccuracy
>>322140512
Every enemy is a bullet sponge
All the random loot is shit
They give away gold keys for the best loot
This is why it gets, rightly, trashed
>>322151942
>The base drop rates of all legendaries were increased.
when was this? If this is recent then I'm downloading it again.
>>322151907
i got a few pearls
that SMG that generates ammo and some sniper
>>322152105
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/05/27/borderlands-triples-legendary-drop-rate-two-years-late/
Why is the game bashed? Lets see
>Giving gimmicks to weapon manufacturers reduced gun variety instead of improving it
>Less gun parts, so less variation between guns of the same manufacturer
>Drop rates are so poor the game was more fun using Gibbed
>Guns become useless after 4-5 levels
>Many raid bosses for a long while were once per day and gave shitty loot
>Damage scaling quickly turns enemies to bullet sponges
>Writing has obvious plot holes that could've been filled with very simple and lore-friendly explanations but the lead writer is too much of a hack to admit he was mistaken
>fun, player friendly glitches/equipment interactions were removed because "balance" in a game where they stripped out the pvp
>>322151702
they probably upped the drop rates with patches
i stopped playing around the time Tiny Tina's DLC was out.
>>322151907
Pearls in this game mostly suck ass. Bekah is great, Butcher is good, but that's about it.
>>322151942
Fuck you nerd, I cranked out 550 hours into this game before using save editors. That patch came way too late. Like a year too late.
>>322140512
The shooting and looting are mediocre as shit. It's also made for multiplayer but the netcode is shit and the loot system is garbage online.
There's a lot of bad writing, there's a lot of repetitiveness, there's a shit ton of grinding. Playing with friends is difficult if you can't keep pace.
It's kind of a whole ball of fuck. Everything bad about it is worse in BL1 though.
>>322152313
>only 550 hours
>>322151876
What the fuck are you even rambling about?
>>322151951
Doesn't excuse the fact that Gearbox are retarded when it comes to guns.
>>322152241
>>Many raid bosses for a long while were once per day and gave shitty loot
thank you for reminding of that. it's too bad many of the people in this thread weren't here to experience how awful it was.
do you remember how mad people got when they nerfed TheBee shield?
>>322152235
This better be true. downloading as we speak.
>>322152313
>550 hours
fucking casual
>evil smasher and a vladof gun
>tfw destroying hyperius
>>322152438
the fact that you cant comprehend that you are an ADS baby is self evident
if you could understand that you were an ADS baby, you wouldn't be an ADS baby
if a retard understood that being stupid was undesirable, he would actually be a pretty smart guy
>master gee
fuck that shit
>>322140512
Everything is a bulletsponge compared to the first, see >>322149074
The weapons are somehow more samey and useless compared to the first
More bosses that pretty much require a party
Same tedious fetch/kill x amount quests that made the first boring as hell
More obnoxious characters
It just isn't very fun, even with others.
Can I just ask why the fuck game devs think holding a gun 3 inches from your eyes somehow makes firing more accurate?
Oh, right. Console fags
if not for the memes, shooting and looting is literally all the game is.
It's a good art style, setting etc. But it just gets so fucking boring so quickly because theres nothing to do except ooh new gun, ooh new gun, ooh new gun
>>322146067
>Shit taste
I agree with him, I always loved pistols in BL1 and weapon design in general. In BL2, due to how the gun parts are, you might get something that looks absolutely fucking retarded.
>>322143706
>>322146439
if you can judge these two faggots.
The second one being a more pretentious faggot.
Borderlands 1 is decent if you haven't played the next games. in terms of writing it's the best... not saying much.
I liked one the most, it's dated like crazy but so long as you don''t play roland you'll have an alright time, it does get really repetitive but the gameplay is ok.
bl2 has better gunplay and skills but the guns are fucking terrible compared to the first. They are all unique but none are particularly useful
>>322146016
Really? You don't even need your robot, everything just gets straight up raped in the face and the firehawk is useless. Gaige is powerful but also one of the least fun characters to play.
>>322152805
have you ever shot a gun before?
proper cheek weld > hip fire
>>322152581
>>322152421
I'm sorry I'm not as strong willed as you, but I could hardly boot up the game without wanting to vomit. I still can't really.
>>322151951
As far as accuracy goes, if your iron sight is over the enemy, you will hit it. Unless the weapon has a high angle stat. Accuracy is all about the reaction you have when you fire, I.E. recoil.
In the case of shotguns, each projectile has a random angle it fires out of the gun.
Anyway, Angle is an invisible stat that cause you to have seemingly random firing angles once in a while.
Anyway, the game is still fun pre-OP bullshit.
And I'd love to do it with some Anons once in a while.
>>322151907
Finished it.
>>322152789
>not using slag for 3x damage boost on UVHM
>not aiming for critical shots
"fucking bulletsponge!"
>>322152235
>It’s like placing a rat in a maze so massive that he starves to death before he finds the cheese.
I love this article. Everyone should read it.
>>322146359
>this, I loved the fuck out of the first game, but hated the second because of the butt-fuck retarded scaling on enemy health in the late game and TVHM playthroughs
Are you joking? The enemy difficulty and scaling is basically non-existent before UVHM. Shit me and a friend cleared TVHM under-leveled even.
>>322153047
>slagga+corporate bitch
>>322153047
> implying most people persevered until UVHM mode
No anon. The game became boring as shit long before most reached that point.
>>322153047
>needing a particular debuff or constant headshots for progression that doesn't feel like dogshit
wew lad
>>322153004
but I'm already aiming with the mouse, not my cheek, or the fictional position of the fictional gun relative to my fictional face
shouldn't the enemies just move faster or something?
what's the gameplay advantage of making the gun not work properly
isn't the 'right click to make the gun work correctly' just a way to give console faggots something to do, since their controller doesn't turn properly?
>>322146659
Bad ass ranking is way better than weapon masteries. Weapon masteries are limiting. Weapon masteries fuck you over on shit.
>>322151224
>Meanwhile, in BL2, DoTs become useless after level 30
They really don't. Also, lrn2slag.
So... do you guys want to play?
>>322153256
Which is why TVHM is a waste of time. It's basically the same as the previous mode but higher levels. Nothing beyond that.
>>322153339
>Having to prepare and actually aim your shots
>>322153429
BAR just makes you stronger in a game whose difficulty curve is already questionable
this is ultimately a slot machine, I prefer the design where I choose my character's strength by only firing one weapon type
still I agree that it's irritating that you can't effectively switch weapon masteries later
>>322153047
do you understand how much of a crutch that is?
you have like what? one slag gun? and why do you have that slag gun?
because of the damage it does? no
because of its fire rate? no
because of reload speed? no
because of its magazine size? no
because of accuracy? no
because of slag chance? DING DING DING
You've just eliminated 1/4 of ALL elemental weapons in the game that you just aren't going to use.
imagine yourself in a room with 100 different slag weapons on the ground. How many of them would you pick up and replace with the one you are using?
>>322153393
>>322153393
>isn't the 'right click to make the gun work correctly' just a way to give console faggots something to do, since their controller doesn't turn properly?
Yes.
>>322153528
I got Borderlands 1 anon, I'll play with you on PC.
>>322152741
ADS? What are you even rambling on about?
>>322151876
>and for some reason the character moves at half speed unless you press shift, the 'move at normal speed' button
Jump before tapping ADS for a brief second. Congratulations you learned how to play a game, with what five minutes in it should have taught you.
>>322153256
>>322153589
you used to be able to find "good guns" that were scaled to TVHM levels but they were all removed and now the only way to find them is to play UVHM.
>>322146219
>But it doesn't scale
What?
>>322153636
Implying slag has any other use besides damage boost
It's not as if the gun tutorial with Marcus teaches you that slag is all about boosting damage.
>>322140512
The gameplay is fine, but nothing we haven't seen a million times before.
The problem is the writing is absolute trash. Some of the worst of the worst.
Other problems are the shitty loot system. They keep advertising a "bazillion" guns, but it's all just minor variations in stats with very, very few unique guns. Even among games with similar systems of random stat rolls on items, the system in Borderlands is both shitty (rolls are too random so 99% of guns are vendor trash) and it lacks depth in what effects guns can have.
The final thing that bothered me was classes. They get one usable ability, and the rest of their skills are either stat increases, or stat increases that are triggered by certain actions.
The game is downright mediocre.
>>322140512
>Artificial difficulty
>Shit gunplay and enemy AI
>SJW agenda shit out of fucking nowhere
I could forgive that last one of there was an ounce of subtlety or intelligence to it; I don't mind things that challenge what I believe but it better be though provoking. Anything Burch & co writes doesn't qualify: a lot of the "humor" is strawmen literally telling you how you should think completely devoid of context. It's legitimately cringe-inducing.
>>322153824
jump before pressing ADS
how do I press ADS
how do I shot web
>>322153965
that's precisely my point.
you're only going to use the slag gun with the highest slag chance. You won't even touch any other slag gun. They're all useless.
So a quarter of all elemental the guns in the entire game are useless.
>>322153636
>the Maliwan sniper with 50% chance, slow fire rate and swap speed
>the Dahl SMG with 10% chance, high fire rate and moderate swap speed
>the Vladov pistol with 14% chance, high fire rate, and fast swap speed
There's a lot more going on than you let on.Unless you're a minmaxer faggot that gets a lv15 Rubi with 25% slag chance and carries it around for the rest of your career.
>>322153589
>throwing out all elements besides one that is unbalanced compared to the rest
>being forced into aiming shots when the game is constantly throwing inaccurate weapons at you
Sorry I don't like your favorite game and think it's a boring chore to get through.
That is a gripe I also had with 1, let's have a class excel at assault rifles and give them tons of ammo but towards the end of the game make that completely pointless when everything needs headshots for decent DPS.
>>322154369
slag was an interesting teamplay mechanic idea, but a foolish one
developers still cling to this stupid idea that anyone is cooperating with anyone, ever
even healers just want their dick sucked for clicking on your name repeatedly, with their 'stop having fun' heal
>tfw noone playson xbone
>>322154430
> sniper rifle to slag
literally wat
>>322149653
The lack of gun variety in Borderlands 2 was fucking retarded. It's a game about guns, set on an alien planet sometime in the distant future.
And all they added was the standard FPS gun categories? I mean, really?
I remember before Borderlands 1 was released and they were hyping the game up. They specifically mentioned a gun that wouldn't do much when fired, but if you pointed it at an enemy for a few seconds, they'd explode. And guns that would bore into the enemies brains and eat them, and gravity guns that could pick up and slam enemies around and so on and so on.
Instead we got pistols, assault rifles, shotguns, sniper rifles and rocket launchers with one of two minor variations that didn't really feel different anyway.
>>322153516
I'm not entirely false, most DoTs that come from skills are useless, and very few DoTs from weapons are worthwhile. Cloudkill, for example, is useless from the point you can spec into it. Maybe that's slight exaggeration, but even with slag if you rely on DoTs to kill enemies in UVHM / Overpowered levels, even with slag, you'll be waiting an awfully long time.
Ruination's corrosive and electric DoT is useless beyond level 50, it literally becomes a slag this group every 9 seconds button. I stopped speccing into Helios and Cloudkill because the DoTs they provide just stop being worth it.
>Also, lrn2slag.
I have over 300 hours of suffering in UVHM/Overpower 8, so please don't tell me I don't know how to play the game
>>322154602
When it has a 1/2 chance and you're Zer0, sniper slag with a Pimpernel is pretty good.
>>322154369
>you're only going to use the slag gun with the highest slag chance.
You do know chance has to do with shooting people in the face right?
Like if the gun has 1% chance to slag but bursts a hundred shots a shot and perfectly accurate whatever you point it at is slagged now on the first burst, right? That's kind of how chances work. So, firing rate, accuracy, magazine size, reload speed all actually make a difference.
Though I just use homing slag grenades. Fun for the whole family, great for zer0 too since he can use them without losing deception.
>>322154430
did you list those 4 guns because those were the only ones you could think of from the top of your head or are they the only ones you could actually use?
still, that's 3 guns out of every possible gun in the game that could spawn with a slag element.
the game forces you to min-max anyways
>>322154602
The chance is all that matters, right? Obviously that 50% chance to slag is the best thing since God.
>>322154369
So, what does that have to do with my original point. It's one fucking gun that you need to carry and adds a level of *gasp* strategy to combat beyond "shoot guns without thought!"
>Using guns
>>322154674
Depends on your build, but yeah. Velocity is what that shit is all about.
>>322153000
Didn't say I needed it, said it was fun. Just walk around and loot until the explosions stop.
>>322154741
>The chance is all that matters, right?
Sure, if you're a fucking retard.
>>322153047
Thanks for that anon! I forgot to mention it.
>Slag
Goddamn that was such a shit design decision.
>>322154791
>not using guns
>>322154792
When I played, I was more of an Axton myself. Which as we all know was shit in OP difficulties.
>>322154805
I too enjoy loading up a game and not playing. That's sarcasm btw, I didn't think you'd actually catch that. Especially with your predilection to choose interactive TV over vidya games.
>>322154674
Pimpernel has a close to 100% to slag enemies in practice if you aim it like someone who isn't an idiot. Even the Gentleman Snider can get almost 80%.
>>322140512
they kinda ruined the game for me with the dlc that extended your levels.
as a loot driven game it was fun to kill the rare spawn bosses and do the raids with friends for endgame. but after doing that for 100 hours and then suddenly having to basically start from scratch to get the next highest tier of the same exact weapons killed any enjoyment I once had from this game.
>>322154778
Not really because Zerker is just going to have DPUH and Grog Nozzle anyways.
>>322154940
people say that Maya and Axton are terrible but these are the people that just want to solo raid bosses and gimmick everything to death
both those characters have fun ways to play and have plenty of extremely strong options
Maya is my favorite just because she's the only one where I feel every tree offers OP shit that is fun, so its a hard decision to pick which one I don't use
>>322154778
>one fucking gun
because you won't pick up any other slag weapon that doesn't have a high slag chance
>that you need to carry
because they so happened to make it apply a 3x damage multiplier because of their godamn shitty health and weapon damage scaling
>>322145793
Burning Hat Simulation 2 does.
>>322155064
>not realizing the point of the included image
>shooting is good
yah, if you like bullet sponge enemies
>>322153629
They all do get some some form of weapon mastery or weapons that benefit them. Usually at least two. But for those of us who play with every single type of weapon, going hard into that is a nuisance. I would rather my characters strength be only by my playing and not locked in by partial crap RPG stats.
>>322140512
None of the guns in that game are very satisfying. Like, I'd take my old Pestilent Defiler from the original over all the guns in 2. The memes are stupid, Tiny Tina is unforgivably annoying, and it was written by a cuck.
Why do you LIKE it?
>>322155001
Interactive TV is literally all video games are.
>>322154889
they force you to slag enemies in UVHM. why the fuck would you use a gun that can't do the one thing it was meant to do?
It's good to see a Borderlands thread that actually talks about the game and isn't constant shitposting.
>>322155223
So they're people who know what they're talking about and you're a casual?
>>322155232
>because you won't pick up any other slag weapon that doesn't have a high slag chance
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UtilityWeapon
I like to describe this game as a game that could be really good if the developers just put some god damn effort into it.
>>322155223
>both have fun ways to play
I agree completely. Axton and 2 turrets was fun as fuck.
The problem was/is/whatever that he can't compete with the other characters solo. I don't think I've ever seen someone solo everything in the game as Axton on OP8.
>>322140512
Played this for the first time with a friend recently.
I've never been so bored. I'd rather play DiaBLOW 3 than this garbage.
>>322154903
you want me to remind you of another thing that shouldn't exist in this game?
Pimon and Tumba.
Each of them have a rare chance to spawn individually. Each of them have a rare chance to drop a legendary weapon that is basically only obtainable by this method.
To get to Pimon and Tumba you have to trek far far far far far into the Wildlife Preservation area and just before you get into the labs because you can't just fast travel there. And if they don't show up or you don't get the drop you have to restart your game and do it all over again.
>>322149074
Yes but that also misses out on player skills which increase weapon damage. Like where's my 700-1400% damage + auto slag x3 boost for Gaige on that graph?
That doesn't seem to be represented.
>>322155508
oh the difficult choice I must make
I can either be a real gamer, approved by anonymous, or I can have fun doing things that are both stupid and wrong
I'll be sure to post here and inform you, once I've made up my mind
>>322155821
Also, yeah weapon speed. Since basically weapons start getting stupid fast. It's kind of rediculous to say, OMG it takes 80 shots to kill this guy when you just placed a single twenty burst into his head that bounced off five other guys.
>>322155580
you're still not getting my point.
let's try this again.
how many different corrosive weapons do you use?
>>322149074
Except BL1 difficulty sucks because it never got challenging.
I enjoyed 2 but prefer the first one. Disliked the whole MOXXI MUST BE IN EVERYTHING thing they had going on.
Also really liked the atmosphere/feel when you just start out in the first Borderlands. Fucking hate the start of Borderlands 2 though.
>>322155741
Wait what.
Pimon and Tumba aren't guaranteed? My first playthrough with a friend of mine back when it was released, both showed up our first time through and dropped that Tediore shotgun that homes in on enemies after you throw it. Deliverance or whatever.
>>322140512
I appreciate Borderlands on the nose humor, but I felt BL2 just dragged on a bit for my liking, I did enjoy the shit out of Bunkers and Badasses DLC though, that was fantastic.
I thought The Pre-sequal was a better and tighter Borderlands experience over all in that it was shorter than BL2 but had enough interesting shit going on that I didn't find myself impatiently waiting for the end.
>>322156125
you were just extremely lucky
>>322156219
I've seen them like three times myself. I doubt he was 'extremely' lucky.
>>322156308
how many times did you get a Deliverance?
>>322156386
Don't remember if I even did. I basically shit oranges and if it's tediore there's a good chance I would have junked it because I fucking hate tediore.
>>322140512
Gunplay was shit.
There's much better fps games on the market and better coop games at that.
The loot was shit and dull.
The story was meh and the gameplay logic ruined the internal logic of the story.
The jokes weren't as funny as the first. Which is sad because they weren't funny to begin with.
Claptrap was everywhere
The classes were copy-pasta for the most part.
THEN there was the DLC. FUCKING LODES A DLC.
Finally the game was just as repetitive as the first. No ability slot increases, no new guns with interesting properties (everything is a fucking gimmick).
>>322156658
>no new guns with interesting properties (everything is a fucking gimmick)
So, you want gimmick guns that aren't gimmicks? Congrats. You R Retard.
>>322154667
i think the Sci-Fi aspect of the Borderlands series was entirely lost. Sure it had sci-fi stuff in it but so uninspired and lazy.
>>322156865
i think he probably meant wanting more variety of guns with different "gimmicks" or special abilities rather than having a bunch of the same guns with the same gimmicks which actually limits how varied they can be both mechanics-wise and balance-wise.
>>322140887
you're suppose to play it with friends.
oh shit, it's /v/. sorry bruh.
Yaknow, I once discussed the prospect of a Borderlands MMO sequel for 3, the ending to 1.5 basically made it ideal for an MMO/ASSFAGGOTS setup, so why not theory a Borderlands MMO?
It sounds good, but as always, execution would be shit.I'd dredge up my notes, but I have to go do shit in ~10 mins.
>single player
ayyyy
>>322158209
Battleborne looks like precisely the sort of thing Presequel was setting up for.
>>322158538
>he doesn't know about tricking the game to make it think you have 4 players
Verm was still a bitch to spawn though.
This thread made me want to play the game again, but I fear about installing and playing it for 5 minutes then uninstall because burnout.
>>322157124
Like a gun that was a nuke? Or a gun that went through shields entirely? Or guns that homed on enemies? Or guns where bullets would split sideways or horizontal etc...? Or guns where the bullets would bounce or do 10x crit damage? Or always slag but fuck up your view? Or homes when you toss it? Or guns that would basically heal your health entirely? Guns that spread elemental effects? Guns with bullets shoot up into the air and explode upon impact. Guns that shoot out additional 10x more bullets in a different direction? Guns that explode into bullets in a star pattern? Guns that do electric and slag at the same time but slag you? Guns that put down mines? Guns that shoot reduced pellet counts with high damage and hurt the player? Guns that shoot the shape of a bird that flaps it's wings mid air? Guns that shoot swords that explodes into more swords? Guns that burst instantly fast? A gun who shorts electric tornadoes? A gun that shoots grenades that continously bounce and explode when bouncing? A gun that shoots fire arrows in an arc? Gun that shoots drunk rockets?
I mean, I'm actually just listing off a small set of guns the game does have, so... did you not mean this shit?
>>322158969
if you're going to cheat then you might as well use the editor and get yourself the godamn gun
fuck i hated Borderlands 2. i used to love it and i played a ton of it before realizing i was wrong.
>>322158538
what were the chances for "chubby" spawns?
i remember seeing a few chubby varkids and only one chubby stalker
shitty drops every time
>>322159185
yes but each of those were tied to manufacturers with gimmicks.
the very reason they could not spawn on other manufacturers, like let's say Torgue for example, was because Torgue is now Explosive only for some reason.
the guns had to be balanced and so they had to be applied to those manufacturers and not all manufacturers are good. You could have the best special unique effect but put that on a Bandit weapon and it's total garbage.
>>322159659
So your complaint is that yes they offer you new guns but fuck brand names. It's literally a fucking gun that does those things. Whatever, fuck off troll.
>>322159808
most manufacturer gimmicks are so bad you won't use them no matter how good the unique effects are.
all guns should be viable.
>>322141585
>it sucks because you have to grind specific enemies
>in the old game I could grind one enemy for everything!
>>322158969
They patched that.
>>322160146
>it sucks because you have to grind specific enemies for guns that might be good
>in the old game I could grind one enemy for the small chance that it could be a really great weapon!
Fun with friends
Not fun solo
I don't really see a problem with the writing. It's shitty yes, but 90% of games have shitty writing now. The only things that really bothered me were claptrap who was intentionally annoying and Tina.
I will say that something they got sort of right that ARPGs need to catch on to is loot changing the way you play more than skill choices. Most shit you get some new weapon and the only difference is bigger numbers, where a new skill will completely change the game. It should be the opposite.
>>322160146
There are problems with the game, it's not a good game. But it appears most of the people here are just bandwagon meme meme meme repeaters themselves who are fucking retarded.
Didn't take the time to storm the posts but if anyone wants to play a first person thriller shoot em up, they would've played the number VIII years ago
>>322160146
Basically it's a game for casuals he's looking for
>>322160563
So he's come to the right place.
>>322160332
>grinding for weapons
>in BL games
Why? Literally just play through the campaign/ng+ until it gets boring and stop. The raids are a tacked on joke because there's no real endgame. Unless you get to a point where you can't progress through the quests because of a shit build then there's 0 reason to ever farm.
>>322160473
Pardon my latin but the number 13
4x4 =<8
>>322160473
Your sentence is about as intelligent as your image.
Also did you mean XIII for whatever the fuck you were trying to say.
>>322160830
in the first game you almost never had to grind because you didn't have to min-max
>>322160947
>>322160947
>>>322160473 (You)
>Pardon my latin but the number 13
>4x4 =<8
>>322161006
Do you even game cube
>>322161041
I never grinded in 2 either but maybe that's because I played krieg. I think there's a playthrough some guy did on NG++ where he only fired 1 bullet the whole playthrough.
>>322161250
probably only possible because of patches
>>322140720
You should invest in some friends my man
Tales >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Borderlands 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Borderlands 2 >>> The Pre-Sequel
Sasha a shit.
>>322161453
>having friends
kill yourself faggot
>>322161609
Telltale pls go
>>322161749
>being gay and loner
hahah
>>322161402
Don't think so, Krieg is just stupidly broken. Theres a few videos from shortly after he came out doing high end stuff with no gear at all.
>>322161925
it's tru tho
What's a fun class for my first playthrough? I played the shit out of one and only picked this up recently, but so far Gaige seems very boring. Her bot is good right now but it doesn't make the game more fun to play, only easier, and the rest of her tree is lackluster. Anarchy seems really gimmicky or just really shit early on before you have lots of points invested, don't want that for a first playthrough.
What's the closest thing to Shock Trooper Roland? AKA Shotguns and infinite grenades.
I got an orange from Boom Bewm or whatever the fuck the name of that boss fight was at the beginning. Was that scripted or >luck
At the end of the day, the Bioshock series is gold medal tier
>>322161180
>Do you even game cube
No, because I'm not a faggot. Also if you meant XIII, it was a terrible fucking game whatever your point was, which I imagine your point was that people who want to do something have already done something which is completely rational statement and not something a drunk buffoon on new years would blurt while being largely unrelated to the thread being posted in for no good reason.
>>322162118
The most fun class is Zer0. Period.
>>322162118
play Gunzerker i guess. Mute the voice acting.
