I never played an MMORPG in my life and I wanna get started into
whats a good MMO to play? I wanna be super addicted and ruin my life
you're late by like ten years champ
I haven't played wildstar in a few months but that was fun before I lost interest. Try that. There's no way it's dead nowright?
Nostalrius
Free to play with an active community
>>322078621
what >>322078754 said
you could get into wow if you want, there's still guilds looking for new members on my server and it's going to be at least half a year before any new content.
nostalrius m8
i wish i was a wow virgin
enjoy it m8
MMORPGS are dead baka desu senpai
>>322078621
>whats a good MMO to play? I wanna be super addicted and ruin my life
>Few hours from 2016
You're not gonna get hardcore-addicted. You'll find something you'll play for a couple of weeks max at best
>>322078621
I've been looking for a game to drain my time too. I'm a shut in/NEET so having nothing like this makes me think a lot about how shit my life is..and we cant have that.
Problem is, every single MMO I try is garbage. I've even tried PoE.
All of the ones that are F2P are littered with micro-transaction exclusive shit and the argument "b-but it's just cosmetic, it doesn't effect you, hurr durr" is fucking retarded. Looking cool and having cool shit is part of the MMO experience, and you used to have to earn that shit, but now you can just buy it. Awesome!
So that leaves paid MMOs and unfortunately that department is lacking as well. You have the stale turd that's been glued back together with moldy cum countless times WoW, or you have Final Fantasy: A Fuck-up Reborn that which is under a huge content drought compliments of the skeleton crew that is now managing it and to top it off, is also completely overrun with turbo weeb fanboys and bots because SE gives absolutely zero fucks about the integrity of the NA/EU servers.
MMOs are dead man.
>>322078621
>I wanna be super addicted and ruin my life
You came to the right place.
Whatever you do, don't play on RP servers. Shit's bad news.
At this point, you might as well play a private server of WoW, Runescape, SWG, or Everquest.
>>322078621
The only way to win a MMORPG is to not play one.
I would have recommended you Ultima Online, Asheron's Call or SW: Galaxies but their time has long since past.
>no one mentions tera or blade and soul
/v/ really has shit taste
If you want wow wait for legion. If you want something not wow try out ffxiv. Those are kinda the only decent options
I dunno about you, OP but I was asking myself this question the other day. I decided to give Final Fantasy XIV a try. There's a no-CC needed 14 day free trial and it's got a decent population.
>>322080138
Idk what it is about tera, I like the world, the combat, the pretty much everything. I just stopped playing for some reason
And here come the final fantasy fan boys to advertise Yoshida's abortion. Every fucking time.
>>322078621
MMOs are ded You need to play MOBAs to be a cool, addicted kid
>>322080138
both garbage
>>322080292
Still better than the Guild Wars 2 marketers.
>>322078621
Currently: Guildwars 2
Next year: Black Desert
Now do a few push-ups and get in the shower you filthy, fat American.
>>322079852
Rp servers are the worst. I can't talk to someone without them coming out as some transqueer burger-flipping failure of life who needs to inform me of all their sick fucking fetishes even though I tell them I don't roleplay or any shit.
Sure the population might be bigger on RP servers but that's because all the dregs fucking flock to them.
>>322080138
That's because Tera sucks, and B&S is yet to be decided.
the golden age is gone
don't bother
>>322080376
>Currently: Guildwars 2
>recommending Guild Wars 2
>at all
And before you go IT'S FREE TO PLAY, no, it's a glorified demo at best, especially with the Expansion restriction.
play onigiri baka
MMO's are pretty much dead. Everybody has moved on to ASSFAGGOTS for that competitive grinding bullshit.
Nostalrious if you really, really want to do molten core runs for the rest of your life and try and figure out what kind of magic was in vanilla WoW. Spoiler:there isn't any. WoW was shit at launch and it's been 10 years of shit. It was what LoL is today for MMO's and it destroyed an entire genre and killed more people than ISIS.
>>322080465
>people still cosplaying as Ragnarok Online classes
Jeez.
>>322080373
>>322080292
Both are hot fucking garbage.
GW2 I literally fell asleep at my computer moving around the dull fucking world. ohh, centaurs attacking some pissant village for the millionth time... whatever.
FFXIV is a singleplayer game with dungeons. I couldn't even level with a leveling partner because the fucking gay ass story keeps getting in the way. What a shitload of fuck.
>>322080578
you sound bitter
The only good MMO ever was early Ultima Online. It was the closest thing to compton that you could get in wizard and warrior fantasy-land.
>>322078621
If you really wanna try something different, you can go for Secret World.
>>32208057
>WoW was shit at launch
At launch yeah. But you can't argue that WoW did not start blossoming into something magical in late Vanilla and this magic lasted all the way through TBC and started withering away at the end of wrath.
This is not the fault of anyone in particular, not the game, not Blizzard. What happened with WoW is simple. It was made great by a the generation of gamers who made up its community during Vanilla, TBC, and Wotlk. When that generation left for whatever reason (had kids, grew up, whatever) they were replaced with the cancerous "I want I want I want and I want it now" shit stain that still plagues MMOs today. This is why every single MMO to have come out has failed.
>>322078621
WoW is free until level 21, give it a spin.
>>322081578
Can I play as a wolf slut as a Free 2 play?
>>322080840
No shit. I've been playing WoW for 10 years, before that I was playing Everquest and City of Heroes. I've seen many MMO's come and go.
WoW was a fucking pop culture whore milked for all it was worth. It brought normies into the genre and completely diluted it into unrecognizable single-player crap.
>>322081808
>Everquest
Yo OP try Project 99. Everquest will put some hair on your chest unlike these wow pussies.
All I gather from people talking about MMOs is right now the only MMOs remotely worth playing period is Old School Runescape and EVE, with Black Desert and Tree of Savior possibly being good in the future.
>>322081152
This. Not saying it's great but it at least has shit you haven't already seen 8 million times
>>322081808
god damn, if CoH was still up I would be playing it now. GOAT MMO
>>322082093
>Tree of Savior
The beta testing said other wise.
>>322082093
>OSR
Maybe if you have a boner for the old graphics (like I do), but even then they've added a shit ton of questionable stuff that could make you question restarting from scratch.
>>322082196
The paragon chat exist for RPing gameplay
>>322078621
Here's one you'll enjoy OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcjoOdVHR8Fuck you NC Soft you fucking gook kikes
>>322079012
>There's no way it's dead now right?
I wouldn't be able to tell you, I only log in 2 days a week to raid.
>a lead dev joins us one night for a raid
>he eats shit and causes a wipe on the first boss
>>322081207
Wrath got shit halfway through. ToC, LFD, skipping tiers to gear up was all shit and ICC was mediocre, especially with the locked wings.
>>322079012
I'm only there for fembot butt. I love those booty short options.
>>322082252
it's actually hilarious how people whined for so long for 2007 servers, only to vote to add the things that ruined runescape in the first place
there's some kind of moral to all this
>>322082580
I think I'd go out on a limb and say the only real bad thing that happened during Wrath was the gearscore bullshit.
>>322082673
Wasn't it the people that played the newer version coming and voting that shit in so they could have a reason to play OSRS?
>>322082196
I liked the player-run costume contests done at city hall.
>>322082673
Don't let retards vote.
>people thinking blade and soul will be anything special
nigga, the game has been out in other territories for years now, there's nothing to wait and see about. we know the game is only good for 1v1 pvp, and if that's why you're gonna play an mmo you might as well just play a fighting game.
>people thinking black desert will be good
go look up any video of black desert, youtude or stream, and you'll see 1 of 2 things: the player grinding mobs in a field or the player killing over players in a field. that's all there is to the game, it's fucking nothing. you grind mobs til you hit the soft cap and do pvp.
>>322082580
no, wrath launch patch was awful
the only redeeming part about wrath was ulduar which in hindsight was nothing more than an anomaly
>>322082742
I think they still does this in the Paragon Chat. I know for sure they do this all the time in Champions Online.
>>322082741
No actually, the RS3 players have been voting for good shit like quests, skilling content, and holiday events.
It's all the PvP/Slayer people who fucked up OSRS.
>>322082905
People play Champions online?
>>322082913
Well shit, I haven't really been following OSRS since I stopped playing it earlier this year.
>>322082626
>favorite race belongs to the least populated faction
why this
>>322082971
>Chumps Online
fuck that game, it's not half the game CoH was
>>322082971
Just for the holiday event. Collecting enough christmas stuff and you can unlock a new archetype to try out, or a sled. I'm sure the population will die down after the holiday event is over.
I just got ESO.
Even if it's just okay, I'm sure I'll get my time's worth outta 18 dollars. Anyone else pick it up recently? looking for people to level with.
>>322083273
I don't see anything wrong with the Dominion, it just that more people are into playing those hippies cats or think the Exiles are heroes.
>>322083631
>I don't see anything wrong with the Dominion
I didn't say there was, just that they're not as populated as exiles.
>>322083273
having patrician taste sure sucks sometimes
>>322082626
>>322083273
i want to play a fem robot so bad
but how the have head so high so back annoyme more than it should
so i play a lizard girl instead
also damn game is fucking heavy for my poor pc
>>322084041
I don't see the problem with that, actually. The only other alternate to a fembot is PSO2 and I do NOT want to jump hoops just to play that game.
>>322084026
Those breasts make no sense.
Making it too human also ruins the robot fetish, it looks like a normal women with bodypaint at that point.
>>322084264
I agree. Finding decent mecha porn that hits the right balance is pretty damn hard, though.
>>322084206
also the game feels like a mess of quests and objetives
>>322078621
old school runescape is bretty gud
thats about it.
>>322084026
I... don't know how to respond to this erection.
Post more so i can make a better informed decision.
>>322083941
Between mechari and drakken they have the best ladies, how the fuck are they the least populated faction?
I just sit on my bed and silently cry over the knowledge that there's little to no SFM porn of the new Tauren female models.
>>322084264
That is why I always choose this head instead of the humanized one.
>>322084264
>it looks like a normal women with bodypaint
I wasn't aware normal women have no internal organs in their abdomen area. must be some crazy new diet I'm not aware of.
>>322084573
how mecha do you want it, buddy?
I just want an MMO where the staff give a shit about bots and RMT. Seems all too common nowadays for them to just let these things run amok in their games just because they also pay for things and what-not. FFXIV is a great example of this.
>>322081667
yep.
as of now you can play all races and all but death knights (since they start at level 55)
>>322084602
everyoen want to be the "good" guys
i hated exiles intro
fcuking loved dominion
loving the emperor and all that
also chuas makeme laugh
>>322084602
Because they have Chua and thus, Chua players.
>>322078621
Eve. Maybe starscam. RS is still effective.
>>322084786
i rememeber ffxiv being strong against bots, damage metter and any addon
they gave up ?
>>322084602
Again, hippie cat girl and rebels thinking they are the good guys, except when you dig deep into the lore, they're are really a bunch of DIDNNDONOTHING wrong assholes
>>322084997
Gil farmers have always been a very apparent thing in XIV, nothing really has been done about them.
>>322084923
whats wrong with chuas or chua players ?
havent played enough to notice any race/ player stuff
Among the F2P MMO's I've tried recently
>Tera
Shit userbase, good combat if you have a good connection, almost nothing runs it well, I can barely remember the story. Balance is poor, newer classes are easier/stronger than old classes.
Try it if you want to play dress up or want an MMO with good combat. Kept me playing for a couple months
>WildStar
Not much content to keep people invested when the leveling is done. PvP is awful and faction balance is fucked. Pretty good house customization. Kept me playing for a month
>Tree of Savior
Bad, extremely linear and grindy with horrendous balance. We'll see if they fix any of it but don't get your hopes up
>>322084750
Post your faves and we'll go from there.
>>322084786
They are too busy scrambling to create content at the moment.
Not to start a heavenshill vs wow shitposting spreeespecially since wow has the same issue right now
>>322084835
>also chuas makeme laugh
how many gay chua orgies have you attended? do you shout BAZINGA when you cum in another chua's yiff hole? be honest.
>>322084923
That is a good point and one I did not consider.
>>322079657
>>322078621
>>322079263
And this whole thread just needs to play Team Fortress 2.
>>322084997
>i rememeber ffxiv being strong against bots
I don't bot but I sure as fuck RMT. Been doing it for over a year and haven't been banned. Not even a warning. I doubt they give even half a fuck.
And botters? Forget about it. Left to just bot away for 5-6 months and MAYBE getting banned. But by then they've made enough to RMT 30 more accounts.
>>322085142
I gotta jet, but here, knock yourself out. This one artist never ceased to make my dick happy:
http://imgur.com/a/igKRu
>>322085097
Nothing, everyone just assumed they must be furries, as almost everyone else was. They tended to be farely dickish though.
>>322085096
still goin strong those ? i filled the ignore list in teh first week
what yoshi said about dps metter ?
i liked thay they said a big no to any and encourage to report
i rememerb they slowly givin up on that
the last i saw was " is forbidden but only if someone report you"
>>322082673
/vg/ runs a accurate 2007 server, albeit with 2x xp
>>322085110
>>Tree of Savior
>Bad, extremely linear and grindy with horrendous balance.
>korean mmo
>grindy
not surprised at all, I don't understand why they love grinding so much
>>322085110
>Not much content to keep people invested when the leveling is done.
if you pick up the game now you'll have plenty to do. it's the people who've been playing for months already and have datascape on farm mode that have nothing to do.
>>322085110
ToS is fucked. Biggest disappointment in recent memory.
>>322085168
dude chill, i have less than a month playing
and play a drakken girl
>>322085361
Don't know about you guys, but I've been there. There's no one ever fucking on.
>>322085361
that sounds even worse
>>322085323
Parsers have pretty much always been "Don't tell. we won't know".
>>322085097
Think of a player in a D&D group, who makes a chaotic evil gnome and every ounce of their creativity towards interaction involves coming up with 'funny' ways to kill/steal from/rape someone.
That's an average chua player.
>>322085553
oh god
dont have to tellme about it
i was DM and had that kind of players
>Still playing on a private server years later
Just kill me desu
>>322085420
it's okay, anon. I know you're a degenerate chua loving faggot. just admit it to everyone in the thread.
>>322078754
Who is champ?
>>322085301
>robot clit
Yeah this is a thing i can work with.
>>322085748
Why do most MMOs have this boring as fuck positioning? It's so awful.
Even ffxiv is just 'stand around enemy, do rotation' they just try and cover it up with stupid particle effects.
>>322084997
Yeah no. If you log in and go to pretty much anywhere during the AM hours you can find hordes of bots just doing their thing. And these aren't throwaway accounts either. People just bot on their mains because they know SE won't do shit.
If you go to Ul'dah and look at the Aetheryte crystal you will most likely see like 20 black mages named "jkshdgfus sajkhfasjh" teleporting in and out of dungeons to farm gold by exploiting SE's 90's MMO tier mob pathing.
And the worst part is, weebs still defend this fucking joke of a game. It's pathetic.
>>322085764
well i like FEMALE chuas that is
also like FEMALE mecharis, drakken and casian
and i dont know the name of the exiles races
>>322085748
>FFXI private server
Whoa whoa whoa, what? These actually exist??
>>322086031
Nasomi
>>322085989
>FEMALE chuas
i'm waiting and praying for Star Citizen. i'm very cautiously excited, but i hear a lot of fags on /v/ bitching about p2w shit.
chris roberts isn't going to fuck it up, i-is he?
>>322085964
MMOs typically used targeting based combat for solving latency issues
most modern MMOs have some kind of action based system
>>322085982
How the heck can you farm gold in a dungeon?
>>322085982
for a big name company is weird that they dont care
is not like if blizzard care too, but at last is not that common to see
>>322086107
i remember seeing the lore that chuas are genderless cus they are adamn experiment , but someone toldme that they changed it into "males and females just looks the same" so i dont know anymore
wich one is ?
>>322078621
http://www.medievia.com/
>>322086272
There's lots of videos on how the gil farmers do it. They go in, round up a bunch of trash mobs in the first part of the dungeon and then teleport under the map.
Instead of the mobs becoming immune or resetting like they would in any MMO with a compitent dev team, they just stand there and take damage, die, and drop gil. Rinse and repeat.
And they wonder why RMT is still a problem.
>>322086495
Don't they drop a pathetic amount of gil, though?
>>322086414
http://wildstaronline.wikia.com/wiki/Chua#Physical_Description
>The Chua are furry, bipedal rodents with heavy tails and large, hairless ears. There is no visible difference between male and female Chua to a non-Chua observer, so members of other species tend to refer to the entire species as male. According to an Ikthian science report, a genetic scan is required to determine gender.
Latter
It's a dying genre that needs to be completely retooled with a bit of going back to its roots.
The games that get made today are glorified single player RPGs that give you the option of playing with others, and due to the design of being able to solo everything that's not instanced, people usually just play by themselves.
And on that note, there is far too much instancing in modern MMOs. The gameworld needs to be persistent, save for things like unique encounters that are triggered by a quest and shit. An over-reliance on instancing breaks up the community and turns the game into a small group or even single player experience, which should not be the aim of these games.
Players need to be able to effect the world, and enemy encounters should usually be a part of the world and not just something you go into instanced asshole #5123. Player interaction with one another and the world should be what these games are about. They've just gotten so very far off track of this.
>that feel when literally the only decent looking MMO is DQX and we will never get it in English
>>322086958
On top of removing instances, I'd also like to see them bring back overworld enemies that can actually kill you.The fear is the best part of exploring.
>>322086958
>>322087162
Not going to happen with how the stockholders want to profit out of the casual fags
>>322086890
a genetic scan ?
so no usable vagoo ?
well at last they have the best emotes
>tfw i miss my lalafell doing cute emotes when i was bored
Can't wait for Blade and Soul.
>>322086791
apparently not pathetic enough. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked it so that it just takes the gil farmers longer so they stay subbed longer. There is a post somewhere from a former MMO GM exposing his former employer, saying that they actively prohibited him from doing anything about Bots and Gil Farmers.
>>322086958
All of these ideas are awful and I'm glad that any game that has tried to use even bits and pieces of your shitty ideas have crashed and burned.
>>322086958
Non-instanced content is not the panacea you people think it is. Look at GW2, you have big world bosses that are just a clusterfuck, with open world events that are the same. It's not better content just because you see other people doing it while you're doing it.
As for "effecting the world", that's a nice ideal, but like most ideals it is rooted in fantasy. Say you kill all of a thing in an area, it is now extinct, what now? They're gone, are you going to design a system that just replaces whatever it is? Then what's the point, you're back to square one. Not going to replace it? Then what the fuck do you do for people who weren't there when it happened? "Sorry about that content you missed, but isn't it cool that the players made a real change!" No, no one is going to go "OH BOY there is now less shit for me to do in this game, how fun!" The moment you make a permanent change, something is lost, and nothing is gained, no matter how it is handled. This is besides the practical fact that making content that can only be experienced by a tiny fraction of your playerbase is a complete waste of resources.
>>322087337
well that have sense
is money for them ,
and i dont think anyone have abandoned the game cus of bots,
i heard that blizz dont care for that people who know how to duplicate items
cus they keepit to themselves
wish i know how to
>>322086958
>>322087256
I hate how the games that get made today are in this shitty hodgepodge place somewhere inbetween multiplayer and singleplayer.
Games like FFXIV, The Secret World, SWTOR would all be better off if they were just single player games that didn't have the typical MMO limitations. People don't play together except for instanced group content or the rare group quest that requires a bunch of people.
Games like Ragnarok Online were shit on for being "chat rooms with monsters" but at least you needed to interact with others to play them. That's what the point of these games should be.
>>322087568
FFXI required you to party to do almost anything for years and years, and it's one of the most successful MMOs ever made.
>>322086958
I wish modern MMOs took some notes from how FFXI handled interactions between players. It had its own issues but the way it tied the community together is still the best I've seen in MMOs to this day. The game forced you to party with others to get shit done because the overworld was as dangerous as fuck.
>>322087682
i love TSW but they seems to make the game worst every patch in some way
now i dont have idea how to search / queue for a dungeon
>>322087760
>that feel when FFXI is dead and I never got to experience it
I only didn't play because I was young and I absolutely hated the control scheme.
FFXI and RO are the GOAT MMOs.
I'm still waiting for some kind of HD update or spiritual successorthat isn't shit like ToS.
>>322087760
wasnt WoW the only real competitor ?
also GW
Lineage 2 is my preferred MMORPG, it is free to play, the servers go down a couple hours every Wednesday for events, updates and maintenance. The game has been around since 2004, and is always having new content added, chronos server is the one that is most active, zaken server is the newest server, 2 months old,
>EVE is actually the perfect MMO in that it's almost entirely player run, but the average person doesn't find it fun to play
>>322086958
>The games that get made today are glorified single player RPGs that give you the option of playing with others
I'm pretty sure you could do that in almost every oldschool MMO.
>and due to the design of being able to solo everything that's not instanced, people usually just play by themselves.
Are you complaining about there being content that's soloable at all? Or just the amount of it?
>An over-reliance on instancing breaks up the community and turns the game into a small group or even single player experience, which should not be the aim of these games.
Eh, I prefer instanced stuff. You don't have to bother with other people who don't matter. And if they do matter, well that sounds rife for trolling.
Hell most open world stuff is a nightmare with enough people. I can't think of a single MMO with target quest monsters where it's been a pleasant experience. Fucking Archeage with token farming... God damn. I can only imagine waiting around for some rare monster and then having some other group gank the kill.
Hell I liked the way DDO did it. Almost everything dealing with exp was instance based. It had a pretty strong community when I played so I don't think instancing is the problem.
>>322087760
>/sea all on Asura
>990-1300 players online
I wish I played it way back before WotG/Abyssia. It's still fun but the exploration parts of the game didn't age well.
>>322078621
Guild Wars 2. Its free with basic features if you want to try it out. I purchased it on release and still play daily.
>>322087926
I miss GW, a lot. I was pretty young and retarded and I thought pre-searing was the whole entire game and that was fine with me. Wasn't till after 2 weeks of going over the wall and killing Char to get Dyes to show off to all the QT eles (who were probably 40 year old dudes) in Ascalon. I had so many on my dick by the time I left. And it was by accident too. I was in some dude's party and thought he was just starting a quest but it was actually the post-searing transition. And then my mind was fucking blown. Stood in post-searing ascalon completely dumbfounded.
And then I went on to be a pretty well known monk healer in Arena and GvG. if anyone remembers Renewing Corruption I was in that guild for a bit, we were top 8 at one point. and I fucking beasted Arena all day running CoP. Actually I just ran CoP everywhere because retards always focused me.
>>322087682
>Games like Ragnarok Online were shit on for being "chat rooms with monsters" but at least you needed to interact with others to play them.
No you didn't. You could do plenty of it solo.
>>322088596
Only 1000?
I was considering resubbing and was expecting more along the lines of ~3000.Did they ever do any server merges?
>>322086247
I hate this excuse. Ragnarok Online had a huge emphasis on movement, targeting, and positioning despite coming out around the same time frame. Lagging just little as a squishy class like mages would mean a pretty swift death against some of the more dangerous monsters in the game.
>>322087760
That's because FF fans are fucking insane, not because it's a good game. They're still sucking FFXIV's dick despite proving again and again how awful it is.
>>322088876
because RO is not 3d
>>322087682
>>322088793 is right, you could do solo, but it PROMOTED coop in a MULTYPLAYER game.
Talking about Ragnarok, which is undisputed best MMO, there is a new (open this week) low rates private server, Dawn of Midgard. According to the site, it floats in the 600-1000 player count. Anyone playing to confirm if are real players or bots / cheaters?
>>322087635
Blizzard bans dupers, and they're easy to find, the problem is that they typically do it on new accounts so the bans don't accomplish much.
>>322088710
Disregard this anon, Guild Wars 2 is a piece of shit that only cares about promoting their 10 dollar crap-tier outfits and the Free Two Play is a demo.
>>322088904
>XIV
>Still mostly played by FF fans
>>322089181
I am sure the RO general can help you with specifics on private servers.
>>322089181
I played on it for a little bit, but I want to give it some more time before I pick it up fully. Don't want to play another new server only for the player count to dwindle below 100 after a month.
Seemed to be mostly legit people, though a lot were multi-clienting.
>>322088793
You could grind solo, but why would you. It is not as though the game had a compelling story or anything. It was just a place to meet other players. The two big focuses of the game were WoE PvP and MVPing, two things that you needed other people to do.
>>322089127
neither was FFXI if you want to facts that both games moved on a 2d plane and didn't have jumping like WoW did. This is also exactly the kind of stupid argument a FFXI zealot would attempt to do.
Fuck you.
>>322078621
You can't just get into an MMO, there's a long boring start requirement that you were supposed to do in your teens when you had tons of time on your hands
>>322088904
FFXIV is sadly a single player game in an MMO's engine. You play it for the story and unsub, and it almost feels like this by design. Why else would Heavensward have a 60 hour campaign and next to no endgame?
It's easy to get into L2 if you have a person that's willing to show you the basics
>>322087682
I see a lot of idealistic bullshit and not a lot of attempts at improving the design of these games. If you want to play with people, you can still do that in every game you mentioned. You're just bitter that no one needs to suck some dick in order to get absolutely anything done. You don't improve a game by shackling the playerbase to each other and punishing them for ignoring your attempts to police their behavior. You do it by rewarding them for doing things they'd have fun doing anyway, and ideally, one of those things would be player to player interaction. You have to, from the ground up, focus on making that something players want to engage in, you can't just go "ok everyone find a partner and NEVER EVER LEAVE THEM OR ELSE." It's a video game, not a homework assignment.
>>322089379
>You could grind solo, but why would you
I dunno why would people playing any MMO solo when it's possible you dumb shit?
>The two big focuses of the game were WoE PvP and MVPing, two things that you needed other people to do.
So? Every MMO I've played recently the 'big focus' is whatever endgame raid content there is and potentially PvP/seige shit. So fuck off with your rose tinted glasses, dumbass.
>>322087760
FFXI is literally Japanese EverQuest and they outright stole many design principles from it, such as the partying you mentioned. It only succeeded for the same reasons EQ did, primarily that it was baby's first MMO for a lot of people.
>>322089937
>I dunno why would people playing any MMO solo when it's possible you dumb shit?
Solo content, which modern MMOs have a ton of.
>Every MMO I've played recently the 'big focus' is whatever endgame raid content there is and potentially PvP/seige shit.
No, a lot of games today have some RPG-tier story garbage you can do that you don't need anybody's help with. This needs to be cut down on, or better integrated into playing with others. The best I've seen this done is Wildstar and SWTOR letting you vote on dialogue choices.
>>322089409
m8 it appears you have no idea what you're talking about
i haven't even played FFXI
i'm saying 2d combat is entirely different from 3d combat and tab targeting made sense in MMOs like WoW
>>322089280
i enjoyed gw2 as well ;_;
>>322085857
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>>322091046
The genre is as dead as a doornail. Only a couple games that are only debatably worth playing currently, and nothing on the horizon. The genre is also gradually falling out of public interest.
You want an RPG? Play one. WRPGs and JRPGs are alive and well.
>>322089434
Agreed.
If you've missed the golden times of MMO's back round 2004 till 2008 just to play now. Your most likely gonna hate it. Due to hour attention spans, timeframe, work and all that nonsense.
>>322091046
>>322091046
>>322093024
>Only a couple games that are only debatably worth playing currently, and nothing on the horizon.
Thing is though that there is promise. Things like Archeage, Black Desert, EQN and Crowfall (if they ever come out) and whatever else are showing how far we can go with sandbox elements that rely on complex systems like building and economy
Then there are plenty of MMOs like Wildstar, Raiderz,Dragon's Dogma Online, and of course Monster Hunter Online that are showing how to make an MMO that is also a competent action game instead of just a third person number crunching combat simulation.
I'd like to think it's more a matter of growing pains than anything. EQ and WoW showed how to make a massive world with lots of content and progression and how to connect players in it, but now we need to work out how to make MMOs actually fun and dynamic and actually justify playing with large amounts of people in a persistent world over a single player game or a game with ordinary multiplayer
>>322088876
ro lagged like a motherfucker and used cell based movement that constantly had you snapping back to the previous cell you stepped away from
>>level 99 hunter before cap was raised 1x exp
>>still love ragnarok
>>322078621
they're all shit
good luck
>>322092716
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>>322093241
nice samefagging
>>322078621
>I wanna be super addicted and ruin my life
Second Life. This is not a bullshit answer.
>>322081207
>WoW did not start blossoming into something magical in late Vanilla and this magic lasted all the way through TBC and started withering away at the end of wrath
Don't kid yourself. WoW became garbage when Battlegrounds were introduced. Oh sure, some epic battles were to be had but open world PvP died because of it and over a decade later I'm still salty about it.
>>322078621
How about you get super addicted to my dick instead faggot.
Also you should play Guild Wars 2, the base game is free and the expansion isn't worth getting; just make a character and class you like, then 100% the game
Try to make some friends along the way, with megaserver there's always people in the same zone as you
>>322085275
This
So much time and so much money wasted on this game
>>322088218
Because EVE isn't fun to "play".
Are MMO's actually dead, or are people just no longer impressed by them?
>>322096926
They're rapidly falling out of public interest and nothing on the horizon seems promising. The current games in the genre are lackluster.
>>322096926
No good existing games.
No promising upcoming games.
Playerbase is dwindling.
All signs of a dead genre.
Some people want to blame MOBAs for taking all the attention but really MMOs haven't improved since WoW's release.
>>322096926
They're dead, it's because we're still in a global recession; people don't have the financial security (or any kind of security really) to want or feel comfortable or be able to afford that kind of escapism / alternate lifestyle anymore.
Everything turns to corruption in the end, Anon
>>322097630
>global recession
this is just the new normal
things aren't going to get better, they're going to get worse
nobody has any money to spend, everyone is one unexpected expense away from being penniless
Was I the only one to play Saga of Ryzom?
I feel like it. This dropped a little before WoW did and this game dried up quicker than a whore with a cheap date.
>>322096926
Everything has been fleshed and filled out in the mmo genre and no one is willing to risk doing anything innovative with them anymore. Ontop of this, today's casual game consumer wants a quick, fast sense of satisfaction with little effort and mmos have bent backwards to appeal to this notion.
If you want a western fantasy mmo, wow. If you want an eastern fantasy mmo, ff14. If you're a hipster you can pick any other wow cookie cutter mmo, such as wildstar. If you hate yourself, you get your pick of hundreds of korean mmos. If you want to be a degenerate, second life.
Every setting has been done to death in mmos and you can bet it'll just be like wow but with a gimmick on the side that's more of a novelty.
Tera came close to breaking the mold in terms of gameplay but instantly fell back on dumbing that down for, you guessed it, appealing to the casual market. It was probably dead in the water anyway as before it went f2p endgame was a joke and the beginnings of making pvp gear dependent was rearing it's ugly head.
>>322098201
>this
>new
There have been six recessions in America since 1819 (1857, 1893, 1901, 1907, 1980s) and the depressions (1837, 1873, great depression of 1930s).
This isn't anything new, there will be another boom at some point as some new frontier, some new energy source, some new technology, some new way of doing things, or some old way is rediscovered that results in a boom.
Then complacency sets in, people become increasingly liberal and progressive (the SJW bullshit isn't the norm, conservatism is), people become bored and disillusioned, you get a return to movies like Fight Club about middle class people complaining about how good they have it
It's just a cycle, from our perspective it seems sideways because we don't have a hundred year view, but it's actually an upward spiral.
I'm 33 years old, I've lived through almost this entire cycle from savings and loan scandal, to computer age boom, to yet another housing based speculation bubble recession
