How do we fix SMT x FE?
>>322056838
this is what a 2015 Wii U game looks like
>>322056838
Pick two good franchises instead.
>>322056838
Don't buy it
Don't play it
Don't fix it
By doing that, you're fixing Nintendo itself by not supporting their cancer spread like wildfire in their games.
>>322056838
don't release it to EU and US. keep that shit in japan
By adding Fire emblem and Shin megami tensei characters.
>>322057110
It doesn't look that bad. Everything else...
Just add one Demon Summoning Program.
That's all you fucking needed.
>>322056838
actual stuff from the games
>>322056838
More Tsubasa
>>322056838
Remove the word 'SMT x FE', sell it as generic kusoge at vita/3ds.
>>322056838
By actually crossing over SMT and FE instead of doing an unrelated game and tossing in a handful of FE1 and FE13 characters.
>>322056838
It is too late, now.
Why didn't they listen?
It really is their fault. They forced the Lord's hand by giving birth to such a vile abomination.
Thankfully YHVH heard the prayers of the faithful and bombed the sales with His most glorious ICBMs
remove le ebin high schoolers in high school doing high school things while sorta kinda saving the world.
remove romance options. only tween minded females and faggots like that shit.
>>322057186
I don't think making an idol sim out of two different franchises would work better than this one did.
>make a Fire Emblem branded game
>only FE characters involved in the game are from FE1 and Awakening
The damage was beyond even YHVH's repair.
>>322057951
Did it soldados bad?
>>322057970
>remove le ebin high schoolers in high school doing high school things while sorta kinda saving the world
There's no high school stuff, they work at an entertainment agency.
>remove romance options
There's no romance options.
Give the girls dicks.
>>322057491
this
instead of j-pop idols on motorcycles
>>322058145
whoa didnt even think of that
uncensor kiria's costume
let you date all the female characters
>>322056838
by making smt x fe? it's not like that's what we got
Basically copy Pokemon Conquest and add some shit from FE and SMT to make a turn based strategy game.
>fusing demons together to make better units
>random encounters mid-battle for both sides, can be good or bad
>can pair up demons and humans to create powerful combos
>can pair up demons together to make strong combos to break the game
>Romanceabale demons
>dont make it jpop and idol focused like really nigga? hardcore fantasy warfare and world-ending apocalypses and you pick fucking idol jpop waifu culture? nigga the actual fuck.
>>322056838
>SMT x FE
That game was cancelled, it's #FE
>>322059264
sounds stupid
Well to be very honest trying to mix FE and SMT was a pretty bad idea from the start.
>>322059264
The were going to do that from the beginning, but decided they didn't want to do an FE clone, so they restarted from scratch
source: interview
Don't hype up a game as a crossover between two popular franchises and then create a game that has only the most tangential relationship with either.
Kill your friends.
>>322060887
So instead of doing something both series are known for and good at doing, they decide the crossover project should be something completely different.
Good job Intelligent Systems, this is why when Miyamoto suggests you make a game using just the core Mario cast, you shit the bed, and then AlphaDream does it and gets significantly better results.
>>322057110
this is what a 2015 PC game looks like
>>322056838
>Fire the ones responsible for the overal visual look, seriously was the one who thought this looks good high on LSD?
>Remove idols as the main theme and replace it by literally anything.
>Game mode with permadeath.
>More fire emblem characters so you can actual have some SMT like choices on how to set up your party
>Remove long ass animation.
>Spice up the difficulty
>>322061548
yeah man, both look like trash
MAKE DOUJINS
>>322056838
Why didn't they just make an actual crossover instead of a really weird, really niche idolshit thing featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series?
What in YHVH's name is the story even about?
>>322062081
Usual FE story. Somebody's being a dick, there are dragons, but now everything's spilling into 21st century Tokyo and FE heroes of legend choose a bunch of teenagers with attitude(and one elementary schooler) to be their champions and save the world.
>>322061004
Bingo
>>322062081
Something...something...idols....something...singing...evil guys show up...something...everyone sick and unhappy...more singing... something evil dragon....alternate dimension marth out of the nowhere...beat up evil dragon...every happy again even more singing and idolshit...happy end
Why did they even need to make this a crossover?
it did not help them at all.
>>322056838
If this game was getting a PC port, a lot less people would be complaining
>>322056838
Would this shit have done better had it had nothing to do with either FE or SMT?
Cause the game itself isn't that bad, what's bad about it is that in no way is it a FE nor a SMT game.
>>322056838
Remove main cast
Add SMT cast
Make it a mix between SRPG and RPG and just have the SMT character summon various Fire Emblem characters for their battles
done
>>322062451
Wait, Marth? Wasn't it Chrom?
I thought the main FE guy was meant to be Chrom, what the fuck?
>>322062480
There's some interview basically saying that they couldnt compromise a concept for a crossover so they just made some idolshit concept they've been sitting on instead and slapped FE names onto it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MzWiCMa4SU
>>322061175
>Intelligent Systems
Atlus developed #FE.
>>322056838
>How do we fix SMT x FE?
by actually making it a SMT x FE cossover
nintendo needs to go second party to us Sonybros so this game can be on the true console for gamers: The Sony Playstation 4.
>>322062726
>Would this shit have done better had it had nothing to do with either FE or SMT?
No.
The game embodies everything thats wrong with Japan. Its like a game i would expect from Compile Heart, not ATLUS (at least up until DAN)
>>322056838
>SMT x FE
Stop calling it that.
>>322063163
>Its like a game i would expect from Compile Heart
you mean the idol themed JRPG they already did?
FUCK ORDER BREAK
It was never SMT x FE, its just some retarded marketing scheme to refer it as such.
The dev called this project Atlus x FE.
literally all they had to do was add waifu/dating shit. It wouldnt have saved the game, but i guarantee you alot more people would have bought it.
>>322063237
>you mean the idol themed JRPG they already did?
Basically. Like Nintendo wanted their own idol game to compete with that game.
>>322062967
I thought Atlus wanted to make the game Fire Emblem styled at first, but Intelligent Systems was the one who said "No, we already make Fire Emblem, make it something else."
>>322063198
Why? It was advertised it as SMT x FE.
SMT x FE and Hashtag FE are both good names for this flop
>>322063354
And give us a self insert , mary sue protag.
>>322063383
Damn, tsubasa is stacked
>>322056838
Nude mod.
Are SMT demons actually in the game?
>>322063464
>It was advertised it as SMT x FE.
years ago. they stopped calling it that when they showed what it was actually going to be.
>>322063662
Kinda but they are like P3&4 shadow versions of them.
>Nintendo's idea of quality
>Yoshi's New Island, Metroid Federation Force, Mario Tennis, Animal Crossing Board Game, Devil's Third
>Mario Party 10, Mario Party Island Tour, Paper Mario Sticker Star
>#FE
Those are just off the top of my head. What the fuck is going on Nintendo? Do you need help or something?
>>322056838
Muh SMT/FE whining/b-b-b--b-but idols!!! whining aside, is the game actualy bad?
Or is it just like a Persona game with tweaks nodding to their respective franchises? I don't mind that.
It's about Arkenian but modern day
college students instead of idols
Tokyo gets fucked
You can fuse Performa's for different FE characters
You can date girls and guys
Maiko and Barry are playable
Throw in certain Performas like like Lyn and Lucina as waifuable summons
Supports
>>322062843
Chrom is still the "hero" Mirage. Itsuki's "final form" just looks exactly like Marth(and his first outfit does too) so anybody that's just watching the fast-forwarded and skipped-cutscene playthrough and doesn't know anything about the game probably thinks it's Marth.
>>322063934
Does it matter? Nintendrones gobble all of that shit up regardless of quality.
>>322063934
Not sure. I mean they've had a good amount of bad games in every gen, but something about this group seems off.
>>322063934
yep, neo-nintendo sucks
>>322063934
>brings up New Island
>when Wooly World just came out and is fantastic
>brings up Mario Party, which never got good reviews
Paying attention to FE games besides the ones that Marth appears in
Adding any SMT at all beyond just using the Ibunroku branding
Not playing the idolshit completely straight, I mean holy shit, even P4 DAN didn't do that
>>322060887
no they weren't the execs ignored Nintendo's offer until they decided to make an idol game and throw in FE characters. When the actual devs complained it didn't look anything like a crossover game they were ignored by the producers who didn't care because he was retiring as soon as it was finished.
>>322064047
He looks more a combo of Marth, Sigurd, and Chrom.
>>322063668
That's when it was deemed shit and the sale numbers enforce that.
>>322064467
I am so happy that Wii Sports is the best Nintendo game ever. Man, fuck TW101, worst Nintendo IP ever, give me more New Super Mario Bros, which is THE BEST.
>>322063934
What's wrong with based Devil's Third?
>>322063163
This.
Japan is turning incredibly stale. Everything is the same cheap jrpg shit.
Everyone is doing stupid high school core with random genre mixed in.
Even studios that still enjoy making games like Vanillaware have been infected.
>>322064367
Well, yeah, his first carnage form does. His final form is pretty much just Marth but with spiky JRPG hero hair. He even has the tiara.
>>322064552
Europoors hated the game because it feels last gen.
It's not a AAA game, looking to get a GotY nomination, nor is it an indie game. ALSO, IT'S EXCLUSIVE TO ONE CONSOLE. THAT MEANS IT'S SHIT.
So are they gonna for the fans an apology?
>>322063668
they called it SMT x FE when the first official footage was shown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA
the damage was done at that point
>>322064698
An apology for?
>TH-THEY L-L-LIED TO US!
Should have made an anime series tie in if they wanted weeb money.
>>322062843
Straight outta nowhere
>>322064698
Why bother when everybody is going to forget this even existed when Final and P5 come out next year? It'll just be that one weird fuckup they had and will never talk about again.
>>322064925
poor Chrom can't catch a break
>>322064925
>>322065516
That's Itsuki. You can even read his name in the attack box.
Reminder that SMTcucks parrot the opinions of the amazing banana fucker, Rasen, and Thunderf00t
>>322066306
nah
>>322066306
Way to go anon, you tell them for the forty hundredth time.
>>322066306
who, who, and who?
>>322056838
Reboot it from the ground up with no otakushit this time.
>>322056838
tsubasa a qt
QT
How do I buy this game? I can't find it anywhere.
>>322069860
I bet you can find tons of used copies on bookoff
>>322062960
Wow even the boss music sucks ass.
>>322068020
Then it's not SMT or FE in any shape of form and therefore is no different than what we currently have.
Don't act like SMT and FE aren't filled with weeb animu stuff.
>>322070293
Okay, true, just not this much.
>>322061687
This is the true way the salvage it.
What happened family?
We should have got demons and knights but instead we got pandering bullshit for weebtakus that doesn't even sell in Japan.
>>322070623
Exactly this much.
>40k sales
>was sold though 60% of it's shipment
>Means Nintendo expected to sell less than 80k from the start
>it's flop somehow
Explain haters logic for me please
>>322071056
The last few FE games have been super anime but the series as a whole as had more of a serious tone to it than anything else.
SMT pretty much follows along the same line.
Persona isn't SMT, it doesn't even have the SMT tagline in Japan only in the west.
>>322071143
They don't have any, but rest assured you will get gold faced to death. And stutter typing.
>>322064352
wow the misinfo or downright retardation in your comprehension of that interview is admirable and makes me want to vomit.
>>322071143
>>322071301
>it wasn't suppose to sell!
>>322071164
Fire Emblem has ALWAYS been anime as fuck. It even had an OVA.
>>322071301
>tripfag
>waifufag
>waifu from a fucking awful game-fag
Oh fucking course you'd like this generic anime tripe
>>322071164
>The last few FE games have been super anime
They all have been super anime, just with varying art styles.
>combat is basically SMT4 but with added tactics and focus
>Nocturnebabbies get triggered because it has skippable animations
What an awful fanbase.
>>322071645
combat is nothing like SMT4
what are you smoking
>>322071443
>>322071528
The tones of the games have massively changed.
Are you really telling me FE from when it started to now is exactly the same thing in terms of tone and if you do believe that are you seriously telling me it's as off the rails as FE# is?
Comon.
>>322071738
its pretty much the same thing minus the press turn, so he's really off on that mark. It does have other ideas that make up for that.
>>322071779
>what are spinoffs
Also, you could get married in Fire Emblem games are early as the SuFami games.
Instead of the idol industry specifically, it is about all entertainment industries. You recruit demons to act as workers for your various party members who represent different forms of entertainment. For example, the idol character has demon backup dancers, the director character had demon actors, etc. Each demon has strengths and weaknesses that make them more or less suited to a given job. Each FE-style battle is a performance, where you strategically defeat elements of an audience. For example, the representation of their apathy can easily damage the increasingly-irrelevant novelist, but the live performer can win them over. It is a very extended version of the weapon triangle.
The story involves your multi-media conglomerate fighting against other multi-media conglomerates the way warring empires fight, with individual stories about the particular day-to-day struggles of each artist. There is a larger background narrative involving creative energies being transformed into samey drivel that depresses both the performers and audience. It should mirror mainline SMT in tone, with maybe a more optimistic ending.
dont you hotwheels fags have a normie board to shitpost on?
How about doing an actual fucking crossover instead of doing idolshit?
And do they really expect this game to sell well?
>>322071779
>if you do believe that are you seriously telling me it's as off the rails as FE# is?
Yes as tone has never dictated "how anime" something is. Something is or isn't anime and all these franchises are extremely anime and Japanese.
Reminder that idolshit is the cancer killing every facet of Japanese entertainment. Do not support it.
>muh idolshit
is this all shitposters have to say? I'm glad I have that word filtered, cleans out the slate for actual criticism. If only goldposting was as easily handled.
>>322071973
>How about doing an actual fucking crossover instead of doing idolshit?
They didn't want to make a crossover though. They wanted to make a spinoff.
>>322072085
Get with the modern vocabulary anon, "anime" = "I don't like this thing that happens to be japanese"
>>322066306
I have no clue who the fuck you're talking about and i love SMT.
>>322071973
entitled
>>322071973
Probably.
Idolshit is the big fad right now in Japanese media.
There's idol manga, idol anime, idol video games.
Like retarded stuff. Like "Cute idol girls doing cute idol girl things in a dystopian future, except nothing ever happens because that would upset the diehard fans"
It was a ploy to go after waifufags and capture the diehard idol audience, which consists of the types of fans who will buy ANYTHING.
It failed. The idol craze is dying.
Has nintendo/treehouse/whatever actually called this something in an english title yet?
All i ever see is Ibun whatever FE or #FE
>>322071880
Right, I'm not saying that wasn't true but the overall tones of the games have changed in a huge way.
It doesn't matter that it's a spinoff when >>322071528 is saying they've ALL been super anime when I don't think that's true.
Regardless I'll fully admit the over-reliance of fanservice and otaku bait in FE# to me is off putting because I think we could have had something more interesting come out of this rather than something that thematically would be something along the lines of something Compile Heart/Idea Factory would put out.
I do like the armour designs and the menus look super fucking slick as you would expect from Atlus. I've heard decent things about the combat system but haven't really seen any thorough writeups yet.
>>322072316
It was never meant to bait an audience, the girls in this game aren't loli enough. Its just a fun concept.
>>322072316
>Idolshit is the big fad right now in Japanese media.
Isn't it alreay dying though? Or are media people trying to push it even further?
My not-so-relevant observations are that the idol stuff has reached its peak and is dying down.
>>322072635
Read the rest of his post
>>322072316
I wouldn't say it's dying.
I think it mainly has to do with fans of something like this are on other platforms, mainly the vita.
>>322072776
I do my 4chan how I play my video games.
I get trough 10-20% of it and start shitposting on /v/.I can't belive I forgot to read most of the post, this has never happened before. I must be too tired, It's five in the morning after all.
>>322072462
Yeah, I find it hard to believe /v/ can be this cynical.
Probably due to every western release or game of controversy having some forced message put upon it. I just dont get that feeling from this game, that they did it just to pander to an audience, I just think the developers thought the idea was fun and colorful so they went with it. The blogs and interviews havent led me to think otherwise.
>>322072462
I don't think loli necessarily HAS to be part of the idol phenomenon, specifically when we've moved into 2-D idols.
>>322072635
The mainstream fascination has died, but the diehards are really hard to dislodge. They're the equivalent of mobile app 'whales', the guys who purchase EVERYTHING.
That being said, the media is of course trying to push it even further. Japanese talent agencies love the idea of attempting to cross the barrier between fantasy and reality, where they can market their idol talent directly in video games and cartoons without having to hide their faces behind characters.
And Japanese talent conglomerates have LARGE power.
>>322073161
You don't think constant bikini shots, bikini transformations and hot spring cutscenes weren't aimed at a certain audience?
>>322072319
We still knowjack.Makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes on a game like this at a place like NoA, sensitive little puritans that they are.
>>322073185
>That being said, the media is of course trying to push it even further
I just get an awful feeling of it ending up like an "Atlus milking Persona 4" kind of pushing it further. Where they keep making new things that fewer and fewer buy and everyone else says "Just let it go and move on, it's over."
>>322073385
I havent seen anything like that in the three hours I've played. There is a long vertical pan on Tsubasa, but it isnt sexual.
The hot spring stuff is DLC, so that might just be aimed at that audience.
>>322073161
>I find it hard to believe that two companies who found mainstream success in dipping their toes into the waifu pool would jump right in
Come on. They thought this game would be as popular as Awakening and P4G combined.
>>322072207
>They didn't want to make a crossover though. They wanted to make a spinoff.
No they didn't. They wanted to make an idolshit JRPG, which is fine but don't slap FE names on it and expect people to swallow it. If you changes all of the FE names then nobody would have even made a connection, it could have easily been its own thing.
>>322073405
nice meme. NoA has yet to censor a game, bruh.
>>322056838
Remove all weebshit
Make a new Banjo-Kazooie game from the ground up
Fixed
>>322073525
>This shit game also has DLC.
What the fuck.
It hasnt even been out a week and it already has DLC? Jesus fuck, this is beyond bad.
>>322073525
Bikini transformations are literally in the promo footage for the game. As is the gravure styled cutscenes. Cutscenes with characters in cat costumes going NEKO NEKO.
Feels very blatant to me. Maybe pandering is too harsh of a word but they've obviously gone with an audience in mind.
>>322073574
Which is pretty sad, because Fire Emblem eugenics + Demon Fusion would have been the tits, and would have sold like hotcakes.
>>322073717
yeah, your typical Fire Emblem and SMT day one DLC right there, wasnt surprised.
>>322073752
>Maybe pandering is too harsh of a word
Why would it be too harsh? It's literally pandering
>>322073616
>NoA has yet to censor a game,
>The curtains and dumbed down dialogue in awakening
>Removing the boob slider from XCX
>Literally removing features from FE Fates
>A bunch of other shit they've done before
NoA is the reason why we can't get the good shit, and if you honest to God think this game won't be further censored you're a delusional retard.
>>322056838
Remove FE from title
There, fixed, now it can stand on its own merits.
>>322056838
Drop high school setting(seriously fuck that setting. Its already getting old)
Make it an actual crossover with playable characters from BOTH series
Gameplay like FE but when units engage battle, make battle like from Devil Survivor.
Seriously I wanted to see DemiFiend(Nocturne protag) pierce a hole through the Black Knight(Path of Radiance antag).
>>322073770
If the eugenics are what you play Fire Emblem for, and what you link to the FE name then something's wrong with your idea of Fire Emblem.
>>322073770
>set up your awkward warrior with his starting Pixie for them to raise a cute High Pixie daughter
It's just crazy enough to work.
all they had to do was make it Devil Survivor with both FE and SMT shit instead of idols and it wouldve sold
>>322073983
ah, Awakening DLC you have, I forgot about that.
Boob slider is an 8-4 decision.
lol lies
lol ran out of examples.
>>322073616
Kill yourself deluded fanboy
>>322074003
You forgot to remove SMT
>>322073983
I don't keep up with fire emblem but what did they remove from fates?
>>322074130
you first, shitposter-senpai
>>322073770
>Get the best demons
>Fusing, getting swole, etc
>The cycle continues until you have literal gods
>THEN YOU BREED THOSE GODS TOGETHER
Jesus Christ I don't think I could handle that level of perfection
>>322074210
The head patting.
>>322074171
>SMT X FE
>SMT X
>X
It just might work!
>>322073583
>They wanted to make an idolshit JRPG
Yes, with FE elements you retard.
>>322073983
>Literally removing features from FE Fates
Is this even confirmed or are people still overexaggerating it?
I'm not defending NoA mind you, I just want some facts. Not fearmongering.
>>322074237
No I will stay right here and laugh as Kidtendo censors more games
>>322073525
>There is a long vertical pan on Tsubasa, but it isnt sexual.
>but it isnt sexual.
>>322074270
>It's not a crossover
>It's literally OC
Doomed from the start
>>322074240
But Angels are already flawless and divine, Son of Man.
>>322074210
nothing confirmed, but you cant possibly believe that some of the more racy stuff in the game is being kept in the localized version, right?
>>322074390
I mean, her dumb sad face doesnt make it look that way, though now that I think about it, it awkwardly paused at her giant tits.
I didnt aroused is what I mean.
>>322074418
No one asked for it though. Err. That is. People asked for SMT X FE, but no one asked for the game that we got. So I guess it's doomed no matter what.
>>322074517
>I didn't find it sexual means it wasn't intended for pandering fan service
Alright anon.
>>322074517
>now that I think about it, it awkwardly paused at her giant tits
You wouldn't happen to be that oblivious guy from a couple of weeks ago?
We all know the real reason this game is underperforming.
>>322074782
i got rekt
>>322074864
I havent been on /v/ since Xenoblade X launched, so probably not.
what was the point of even marketing or localizing this for the west
did they hope to bring in the untold fortunes of NEET funbucks or something
im just confused is all
>>322075353
probably sparse release schedule.
>>322075353
They haven't marketed it to the west.
There just happen to be exclusive channels specifically dedicated to funneling Atlus news over to the USA.
>>322075353
Given how poorly it sold in Japan it'll probably sell better in the west.
It did around 23K copies on launch.
>>322075478
that'd make sense come to think of it
>>322075513
its been shown in the majority of recent nintendo directs and events in the past year or so, at least from what ive seen on the english streams
>>322075661
Why do some of you think it'll sell better in the West?
Idolshit is even more weird here.
>>322075828
its gonna be marketed pretty well, I bet.
>>322075661
the game is literally made just for nips. it's filled with idolshit and nothing of relevance to the west, plus it's on fucking wii u.
why the fuck would it ever come to the west?
>>322063163
>Its like a game i would expect from Compile Heart, not ATLUS
>Actually implying that the Persona games aren't fill with pandering
>>322075828
More consoles in the west that can reach out to a more hardcore audience that love to eat up otaku/idolshit bait because they're weebs.
>>322075947
I don't see it as something you could possibly market in the west. And showing it off at Nintendo Directs isn't enough marketing y'know.
>>322076062
>why the fuck would it ever come to the west?
Because they want it to come to the west you idiot. There doesn't need to be more of a reason than that.
>>322064367
>He looks more a combo of Marth, Sigurd, and Chrom.
Or just a Lelouch ripoff.
>>322076062
>why the fuck would it ever come to the west?
I don't know anon. Maybe because its been in both the NA & EU Nintendo Directs.
Are you retarded?
>>322076395
Literally who
>>322071403
It means they knew in advance how it would sell. They're not stupid, they understand the kind of game they made and the limited appeal it has as a new product. They probably expect to turn a profit with how it's selling.
>>322072428
look nigger, fire emblem HAS always been anime as fuck. In the 80s it looked like 80s anime. Think Record of Lodoss War. In the 90s it looked like 90s anime. Now it looks like modern anime. I'm not saying the tone has remained consistent throughout the entire series, but even going back to the NES games, there's waifubait and blatant tsundere characters
>>322077483
>even going back to the NES games, there's waifubait and blatant tsundere characters
And AGAIN I never said this wasn't true.
> I'm not saying the tone has remained consistent throughout the entire series
Alright, glad you agree with me. Glad we could have this conversation.
