>If i wanted a story i would have read a book
>>322019454
>If i wanted gameplay I would have gone outside
>>322019454
>I-I just picked a female because I don't like looking at man ass, I swear!
>If I wanted visuals I could watch a movie
>>322019454
>If I wanted this comparison I would have used a better one
>If I wanted a slut I would have called your mom
>artificial difficulty
>>322020104
o0o0o0o00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
>I-I just picked a male because I don't like looking at woman ass, I swear!
>>322019454
>Purchasing games for the story
>The story and the gameplay don't mesh at all
>>322019454
Name a single video game that has an excellent story.
And no, Witcher 3 is not one of them.
>If i wanted good music I would listen to the Beatles
>if I wanted to see reddit, I would go therethe thread
>>322020359
Fallout 4
>the game focuses on the story more than the gameplay
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Fuck it, I'll say it, I play games for the story. Obviously the gameplay has to be good, but if the story, the world, the characters and aesthetics don't appeal to me, I won't keep playing.
>>322020472
I enjoyed fallout 4. But the story isn't good.
>>322019454
This is a legitimate stance, though.
>>322020359
Torment.
I can't wait for you to reply about how the story in Torment is total shit and what a smart person you are because the universal acclaim it got for its story and its constant mention to this day as one of, if not the best examples of storytelling in video games are all bullshit and only you can see through it.
>>322020359
I unironically liked Nier
>>322020359
MostJRPGsI'm not kidding. My taste is shit, but at least I enjoy and have fun with a lot of vidya because of it.
>>322020359
999
>>322020901
>really want to play nier because v shills it to high heavens
>30 yuros online
>nowhere to be found in local stores
Welp.
>>322021187
Good thing I got it a few years back for 10 euros. The price really jumped up after Nier 2 got announced.
>>322020728
>the only game with good story is more than 15 years old
what a time to be alive
>>322020359
Name a book with a good "story" if you can faggot.
If you strictly wanted a story over everything, books are infinitely superior to video games in that regard.
>>322019454
> Implying any of you has the mental capacity or willpower to read a book
>>322020607
Same, gameplay doesn't mean much to me on its own, I need an ok story to give me an incentive to keep playing single player.
>people who have never read a book claim books have better stories
Hue
>>322019454
>if I wanted dumb frogposters, I would have just gone to >>>/r9k/
>>322019454
Most of the time its said to defend a game that has shit gameplay.
>>322020607
You're everything that's wrong with modern video games.
>>322019454
It's true, though.
No game will ever be able to match what is possible with a book in terms of quality of the story.
>>322021357
Lord of the Rings
It
>>322019454
See, the thing is, most video game stories are really not that good. Most video game developers and writers do not know how to tell a story. You should absolutely NOT look to video games for a good story, b/c the vast majority of them are trash. Even a lot of the stories that are fun and entertaining in vidya are trash by standards set by pretty much any other medium.
Also the thing is, pretty much everyone who says they play video games for the story have awful taste, not only in writing, but also in video games. It's a poor understanding of the medium, imo. If you're into vidya for the story and not, you know, the gameplay, the meat of the game and the crux of the entire medium, you are doing it wrong. Video games, first and foremost should be meant to be PLAYED.
And video game developers who WANT to tell a story first and foremost fail more often than not b/c they glimpse over the one important thing that separates video games from other mediums: their interactivity. More often than not they completely ignore trying to tell a narrative that could only be done through video games, for whatever reason, having an overconfidence in their ability to tell a story. It's one of 'those' things where they don't seem to realize the strengths of the medium itself and ignore those in lieu of trying to tell their hackneyed story. It's ignorance, basically. If they were truly knowledgeable on video games, even if they considered themselves a writer, they'd look to the actual positives of video games in general, if that makes any sense.
Someone can probably put this in better words than I can.
Developers like The Order: 1886 devs, Crystal Dynamics with TR 2013, and so on, don't seem to tell the strengths of the medium and know how to tell a hard-hitting, thought-provoking narrative in a video game.
I can finish a book in a day or two while video games take a little longer, I can't handle RPG's at all if the gameplay is lacking, I don't mind something a little cutescene heavy like MGS2 but 4 was too much.
>>322021310
Anon said great, not good.
There are plenty of games with good stories including recent ones, Witcher 3 is a perfect example.
Very few games with great stories, though. That's to be expected as it's not primarily a storytelling medium.
>>322021968
SHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTT
>>322020728
Still awfully paced and bloated though
>>322019454
B-b-but m-m-m-movie game
You can't p-p-possibly gain anything f-f-from experiencing a story in an i-i-interactive manner
No one who says that would actually read a book.
>>322019454
gen y in vidya: the thread.
its a sad world we live in boys.
>>322022059
It is neither of those things.
>>322021801
>you're a fan of things I don't like and we have different opinions
There I made you not sound like a retard
the best games of all time with ocarina of time as an exception have little to no story
>>322021384
true tbqh. I don't. That's why keep playing vidya.
The last book I read was The Martian and it was kind of disappointing on a story level. I haven't seen the movie yet but half of the book was science calculations and the other half was Marvel-quips.
Lore is better for video games than story. Finding shit along the way on your own that reveal the story is way better than a cut scene.
This is why dark souls and mario kart is so loved.
Fact.
>>322020359
Why? There's no objective measure so you can just say "No, that was actually bad."
And then we could trade nebulous reasons as to why each other is wrong until the thread dies.
>>322022321
I read a lot and I say that.
Buying or playing a video game because of a story is beyond retarded.
>>322020607
>Metroid Prime
Fuck it, you're alright.
The Metroid series is one of the few vidya series that really pull me with their stories. I'm pretty invested in the world actually. It also helps that the MP series was one of THE best video games when it came to relaying the story onto the player with the scanning system.
>>322020359
Most vidya stories are trash, but No More Heroes 1.
>>322022376
No it's more like your shit taste is infecting the state of video games. You don't even like playing video games, just go watch a let's play on YouTube or some shit.
>>322021923
Wew. That's some shitposting right there.
>>322020607
These are more setting and lore focused than they are story focused.
They have stories sure, but they don't hinge on them to be fulfilling experiences.
>>322019454
Well. a good story will make a game better, but if it sucks but the gameplay is good, you can ignore the story and appreciate it for its gameplay
>>322020359
Rule of Rose
>>322019454
For some reason I agree with this when it comes to MGS. Those cutscenes/long as fuck radio chats bug me.
>>322019454
Books?!?! You can't earn easy trophies with books.
>>322020359
Silent Hill 2
>>322020359
Planescape Torment, Xenogears, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 & Defiance, Ghost Trick, Deus Ex, Persona 2, Metal Gear Solid 1&2, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Fallout New Vegas and Silent Hill 2.
A lot of these games have a very particular kind of story that will definitely not appeal to everybody, but I think they are some of the best this medium has done. Some can't even be done outside of a videogame for them to be as effective and impactful.
In the end it's just a matter of caring about stories. If you don't care about them, you will hardly find one that you like.
>>322021923
Not entirely true, as it works both ways. Books can't do some things videogames can do in terms of storytelling and immersion.
>>322022806
>if I say it enough, it'll be true! These aren't subjective likes and dislikes, my opinion is fact!
>since I watched the game on YouTube, I know what it's like to play it!
I guess none of us need to go to haunted houses ever again, we can just watch our favorite scary movies over and over again! Interactivity offers nothing to a narrative or my connection to it! Thanks for showing me the wayyou fucking mongoloid
>>322022380
>ocarina of time
>One of the best games
holy fucking shit, pleb much?
People who don't like stories in games are the fucking scum of the earth. End yourself.
>>322019454
It's valid.
Games have shitty writing that pale in comparison even with mid tier summer trashy movies/generic avarage books and sometimes even comics.
game writers are garbage on the avarage. Very rarely the storys end up being great works of art.
>>322022901
>These are more setting and lore focused than they are story focused.
not him but imo, those are the strengths video games have, in addition to characterization, more so than their ability to tell a story. I don't think that video games can't necessarily have a good story, but a video game, through setting, atmosphere, art style, immersion, and lore, can be very engrossing.
I think characters rather than story should be the focus most of the time as well. I think altogether, video games have more distinct and memorable characters than stories, so I think devs should aim to flesh out their characters more, give them actual character development, character arcs that resonate with people who play video games, etc.
>>322023365
Nice opinion, retard.
I can't watch movies. If I do, then I can't give a fuck about what goes on in them. How the hell are you supposed to care about the story in a movie which you only spend 2 hours at most watching? It's complete bullshit.
Movies are for ADHD-tier plebs who can't sit back and enjoy a good story-driven RPG, nevermind a fucking book. If you can't enjoy a story-driven RPG then you will never enjoy a good book, don't fucking try to deny it. I bet your ass hasn't read a book for fun in fucking years.
>>322023171
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The full gestalt of the game complementing itself > Gameplay > Lore > Art Direction > Story > Music > Sound > Level of Engagement > Difficulty > Graphics
>>322023206
>Plays video games for the story
>This sub-human thinks he has any right to even reply to me
Kill yourself.
>>322023537
I fully agree.
I'll even enjoy a walking simulator if I find the setting interesting enough.
>If i wanted a story i would consume media better tailored to suit that
>>322023761
Solid rebuttal, anon! I will continue to take your bait by asking how this is an argument, and since it obviously isn't, why is your ego so fragile that you feel the need to do what you're doing?
>>322023606
It's called not having ADHD, child.
>>322023925
>Implying story-driven RPGs aren't the ideal media for storytelling
End yourself, pleb. Go watch the fucking flavor of the month movie or something, then kill yourself.
>>322023945
I don't argue with sub-humans, there is no convincing you so there's no point. The only cure for you is that you'll realize your shit taste before you off yourself.
>>322024010
lol what? Are you retarded or something?
Sitting down for 2 hours at most to watch a movie does not, in ANY sense, compare to sitting down for 30-60+ hours to enjoy the storytelling of a good RPG. It's not even a close comparison. The ADHD fucktards like you go for movies, not video games.
End yourself.
>>322020359
The Witcher 2, Shantae and the Pirate's Curse, the Talos Principle.
what would games be like if developers had continued to try to perfect the ultimate virtual toy instead of trying to ape CYOA books/hollywood movies.
>>322024035
it isn't the ideal media for story telling. End yourself, pleb. Go watch the fucking flavor of the month movie or something, then kill yourself.
>>322024215
The Witcher 2 was worse than 3 in terms of storytelling.
Persona 3 did a VERY GOOD JOB of manipulating your emotions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BcYDO3cc2s
LISTEN TO THIS SONG
It's called "Living with Determination", and ...You can fucking feel the determination just listening to the song. Holy shit.
I fucking LOVED Persona 3. Why is 4 such dog shit?
>>322024360
The Witcher 3 was worse than 2 in terms of storytelling
>>322024035
>RPGs are an ideal media for storytelling
Wow, I've seen it all. Why do I even come to this shithole anymore.
>>322019689
its 2015, I MEAN COME ON
just come out you fucking faggots...
>>322024471
And they're both worse than 1.
>>322019454
>if your gameplay is shit and serves no purpose than keeping me from getting to your story write a goddamned book next time, or better yet make good gameplay.
>>322024118
>I don't have an argument so I'll just call you names!
This is fun! Want to share dick pics?
>>322020359
この世の果てで恋を唄う少女YU-NO
>>322024503
Girls are more fun to dress up than boys. That's the real reason anon, you got me.
>>322024583
they are both better than 1
>>322020359
Final Fantasy VI/VI/VII/VIII/IX, Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross, Trails in the Sky/Trails in the Sky SC/Trails of Cold Steel, Xenogears, need I go on?
>>322024634
I'll pray for you before I sleep, anon.
>>322019454
>I cant counter an argument, so I'll make a thread and greentext it
Shit, I just did the same thing didn't I?
Games are meant to be played. Doom is still one of the best FPS of all time, and the only plot in Doom 1 is at the very end of the episode, you dont even need to read it, just go to the menu and load the next episode.
I do respect games with good plot though, but I care way more about the characters and setting than plot. I fucking loved Wonderful 101 mostly for everything BUT the gameplay
>>322021501
This
The "vidya is badly written" meme needs to die. We absorb their story differently than other medium and people still don't know what illuministic bullshit to judge then based on, so they just say it sucks. It's not worse than other medium, and every one of them is 90% composed of garbage.
>>322024820
Thanks, anon :^]
>>322025006
Saying a game would make a terrible movie doesn't say anything about the game
I wish more people would understand that
I can't wait for the day that we separate video GAMES and interactive movies as separate mediums. That way I won't have to share a hobby or a board with these neanderthals.
>>322025184
I regret to inform you of two things, Anon:
1) Story-driven RPGs are still games, not "interactive movies." Most of the content is actual gameplay, believe it or not, not moving images.
2) Neanderthals were actually not as stupid as plebs like you believe. That is a common misconception. Your use of the word "Neanderthal" in a negative fashion only exposes your ignorance.
>>322025184
the day that happens, the day video games die.
I say that because there's unfortunately way more money in games with big emphasis on plot.
>Everyone says FO4, Witcher 3 are GOTY
>MGSV is a "bad" MGS because of it's plot, despite it's fantastic gameplay
>No one even considers Splatoon or Rocket League GOTY, because they're focused on fun first
First of all, define "good story".
Secondly, games are different medium with different rules.
Games are far more engaging than any other medium if done right and emotional impact of a properly told story is also much greater.
So yeah, i play games for the story, because stories ingame are often more interesting than similar stories in other mediums.
>>322021991
underrated post
>>322023215
>waaah
>I don't rrspect ur opinion
>but u hav to respect mine
>cuz I'm write
You're ignorant and have no clue what it takes to integrate meaningful story elements into a game.
>>322024035
>>Implying story-driven RPGs aren't the ideal media for storytelling
Not really, since there are always certain gameplay tropes in play with RPGs, like for example, combat, which is an intrinsic part of pretty much any RPG. WHY do I have to gain experience through killing increasingly difficult monsters again? Why am I forced into fighting enemies most of the time?
There are RPGs that subvert this expectation, like Planescape and Undertale, and they are special for it.
>>322025498
>You're ignorant
Has there ever been a more pointless, meaningless accusation?
Everyone is ignorant of something. There is not one single human being on this earth who could claim otherwise. Your use of the words "You're ignorant" as a stand-alone attack on me, personally, only exposes your own ignorance.
Move along, kiddo.
>>322025428
You can go play The Order and Gone Home with your other palls while the rest of us can enjoy Ninja Gaiden and FTL.
Is this the shitposting thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8qQVtkgLRA
A tightly grasped message; that’s rising hope!
This world is unrelenting in this time of chaos, too many layers deep to count.
Nothing is as I imagined and my senses are quietly building to an outburst.
It’s like a labyrinth and I’ve hit a dead end; all my thoughts are in distortion.
There’s no time to rest; if I lose sight of my goal, I’ll go berserk.
Pay attention! Hey, what is it? (Watch your step now!) I don’t want your rationalization!
(Are you serious!?) No, No, No, don’t worry! 1,2,3
The rhythm of my heart comes welling up!
My view is still fuzzy, but I have to go onward;
You’ve got faith in me, and I can’t betray myself… a horn sounds off with force.
Even if I pass the time in solitude, or am forced to run away,
A new day will come.
Even if I have no magic, I have to make this wish come true. I swore to it.
There’s still a future I want to see with you.
Even if I feel the tears coming… even if I feel defeated… I can’t stay still.
A tightly grasped message; that’s rising hope!
But it’s just non-stop, bearing down in a hard way.
Where’s the solution!? Even if you’re forced to swallow it,
Get up, come on, and hurry up! Come on!
If nothing comes of the time you’re giving, toss it right in the trash.
Regrets are worth less than dirt! C’mon two-step: OK, shouting: OK. Let your desire run wild.
All forms of approval are mine to decide, so let my heart’s algorithm fly!
>>322019454
>this is a good game because of the story
>>322025764
My voice sounded out, saying, “I want to fight for this”.
I’ll allow an objection or two, but you can’t apply science lightly to this feeling!
Listen carefully… I have to tell you the answer I’ve come to:
I’m going to live believing in all the feelings you gave me,
And I don’t even need to know whether they’re real or not.
“What exactly is a role model? What is ‘normal’ love?”
I’m still asking myself those things today…
The more I ask, I obtain an unfaltering truth:
“I don’t need those things; there’s still a future I want to make happen!”
Even if solitude were to perish and I grew tired of running away,
I’ll merely pursue a new day.
Even if I have no magic, I have to make this wish come true. I swore to it.
The future we can make together isn’t far off.
My right hand joins gently with your left:
A tightly grasped message; that’s rising hope!
We won’t ever let go; that’s rising hope!
I play video games because I like to play them. What can I say?
>>322025636
>WHY do I have to gain experience through killing increasingly difficult monsters again?
Because gameplay. Again, these are GAMES, not movies, and battles/exp help explain the progression of a character's strengths/abilities.
Plus the stories generally involve people living in a world in which monsters exist and are aggressive toward people.
Sounds to me like you're just a contrarian retard without a leg to stand on.
>>322025481
Too bad /v/ pays more attention to blatant bait and retarded shit posting than any post with any actual thought put into it.
>>322021801
It's people who want a good story out of games that are pushing the medium, actually.
>b-but they are ruining gaming by making devs add a million cutscenes!
No, devs are doing that because they don't know how to to tell a story in a game without cutscenes. GOOD devs will try to make a good story that relies on the gameplay, not the cutscenes, and once more people figure this out the medium will be able to stand on it's own without being compared to films.
>>322025863
>Because gameplay. Again, these are GAMES, not movies, and battles/exp help explain the progression of a character's strengths/abilities.
>Plus the stories generally involve people living in a world in which monsters exist and are aggressive toward people.
You don't think these two things are limiting in terms of what you can do in a story/narrative?
>>322025979
Who gives a fuck if it's "limiting"? Of course it's limiting. The setting of a story is always limiting. What a stupid fucking thing to say. Just please end your life immediately.
>>322020472
Post-apocalyptic genre fiction garbage. Poor use of and frequent usage of overused scifi tropes. Hilariously awful writing and plot progression.
>>322020728
>a literal dungeons and dragons module
Fantasy genre fiction garbage.
>>322020901
Edgy fantasy genre fiction garbage.
>>322021172
Animified cube.
>>322022773
>No More Heroes
>he literally buys a light saber on ebay and becomes an assassin to fuck a woman, learning how to fight by watching wrestling and playing mortal kombat
>this is somehow good writing
>>322022951
le creepy schoolgirl
>>322023171
Not gonna go through all of these, but at first glance, they're all anime-tier genre fiction garbage like nearly every video game.
>if i wanted game play i would have played a board game
>>322025764
>>322025854
okay, LITERALLY WHO has this much determination in life?
who wakes up in the morning and says "I'm gonna fight for my dreams today"
>>322025907
My nigga.
I don't even play video games for the story and NMH1 has one of my favorite stories in video games and it's told mostly through cutscenes (although to be fair, the gameplay is perfectly aligned with the story and the goals of the narrative, so it works, plus it's not told completely through cutscenes).
>>322026246
Nigga, when you sit down to write a story, you shouldn't be limited by the fucking genre that you're trying to write a story in. That's the crux of good storytelling and why literature is high culture, because quite often, a good book will not have a genre.
>>322026268
>but at first glance, they're all anime-tier genre fiction garbage like nearly every video game.
Oh man, please kill yourself.
"lol I'm just gonna disregard all these games I've never played because MUH ANIME"
You're a retard, and most certainly NOT an authority on what makes a good story, so just do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself.
>>322024503
I mean, wanting to be a girl doesn't necessarily mean your gay.
Hell, most of the mtfs I know turn out to be "lesbians".
>>322026558
>your
*you're
Why did I do this?
>>322026493
Anime is literally enough to discredit something, you dumb frogposter.
>>322026475
Stop thinking of stories in terms of books. These aren't books. They are VIDEO GAMES, and there are certain expectations, chief among them the expectation that there will be GAMEPLAY elements. It doesn't have to be a BOOK to be a story, it can also be a GAME that is STORY-DRIVEN.
At this point you are grasping for any straw you can find to criticize games driven by their stories.
Accept that the world has changed and that stories are being enjoyed in different ways besides just books. Now they are being enjoyed through games, and in fact they HAVE BEEN enjoyed through games for decades now.
>>322020607
>>322022773
Goddamn, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna emulate and replay Metroid Prime.
The question is:Original or Trilogy?
>>322021801
How is he?
A vast majority of games from the golden age (Thief, Deus Ex, MGS) were heavily focused on story.
>>322026268
>>No More Heroes
>>he literally buys a light saber on ebay and becomes an assassin to fuck a woman, learning how to fight by watching wrestling and playing mortal kombat
>>this is somehow good writing
Kek.
The thing is though, NMH1 is genuinely well-written as a satire of video games, as well as the people who play them, providing social commentary on the sort of angry, bitter nerds who have no jobs, playing video games all day and watching anime.
It's ridiculous, it's completely ridiculous, but that's fine, b/c the reality that NMH1 takes place in clearly isn't meant to be quite the same as our own. It's obviously a world in which some weird shit goes down beneath the mundane mainstream, in an almost dream-like manner.
I find NMH1 fascinating as a genuine deconstruction of video games and as a character study of Travis Touchdown. It genuinely has plenty of artistic merit and is even open to multiple interpretations of the plot. It's brilliant.
>>322027104
lol fuck off back to tvtropes you shit-spewing fag
>>322027008
Original. Trilogy has some weird edits.
>>322026268
>animefictionedgygarbagewhatever
It's kind of an odd feeling when you read something so dumb that you try to believe it's bait, but somehow there's still a slight doubt in you that someone wrote this seriously.
Like I said in my previous post, you clearly don't care about stories in games, and that's totally okay, but stop spreading misinformation and lies about things you obviously know nothing about.
>>322020657
It isn't.
It's like complaining about the presence of lighting in a film- In both cases, you'd be complaining about something that can only add to the experience.
>>322026771
Holy shit dude, you are dumb.
>They are VIDEO GAMES, and there are certain expectations, chief among them the expectation that there will be GAMEPLAY elements
So in this context, you are arguing that a game will and should ALWAYS have combat? So that no matter what, a game will have a focus on killing enemies? What if I don't want to write a story in a video game that includes killing enemies? What if I wanted to write a completely different kind of story with gameplay that reflected that, like in an adventure game? What then, huh?
>It doesn't have to be a BOOK to be a story, it can also be a GAME that is STORY-DRIVEN.
I don't think anyone is even arguing that, breh.
>Accept that the world has changed and that stories are being enjoyed in different ways besides just books. Now they are being enjoyed through games, and in fact they HAVE BEEN enjoyed through games for decades now.
I think you're arguing that I'm antagonistic towards video game storytelling period when in fact, I'm very interested in the idea, it's just that I haven't really been all that impressed with the stories that most video games tell. I think you need to accept the fact that most devs don't even try to tell a good story through their medium or to avert tired cliches and tropes, even in gameplay.
>>322020657
To every excellent book there are a thousand trashy books or fiction in general. People often seem to miss just how much written fiction there is, probably because the can't even imagine the amount.
>>322027475
If you're the same anon I replied to, I know you're just baiting, but I know that terms like "deconstruction" are thrown around constantly, to the point where they're incorrectly applied to certain works, but NMH1 is actually genuinely a deconstruction of video games. Try playing it sometime, 'k?
>>322027778
>I haven't really been all that impressed with the stories that most video games tell
Are you impressed by stories most books tell? Or Movies?
audiobooks > books
>>322020607
>jak 2
>story
nice bait
>>322019454
ITT we bitch about story in games, well done OP.Graphics are the reason why we can't have nice things. Always has been. Too much money/time is invested in the work-hour of game studios. The org planning and management of game design revolves around the most time and salary-consuming tasks. That's been graphics for the past decade. Take a look at the size of teams the next time you watch a credit reel. Not enough cost-effective tools and standardization, too much overhead for artists and FX designers (who get paid fairly low anyway), licensing that's all kinds of fucked, art design management, purchasing agreements, catering to "lowest-common denominator" expectations aka "brown/bloom," et fucking cetera. Worse, even if you pull off great visuals and physics that wow your audience, it becomes its own self-reinforcing means of entertaining the audience. Flash and dazzle for 12-year-olds becomes paramount over the interplay of game mechanics, rule sets, music, atmosphere, plot, characterization, sound design, and good pacing. You have to up the stakes. More money required, more artists needed with better skills, newer tools, less focus on other parts of the game in order to ship on time because Mr. Publisher's got you on deadline, better bring out the cot for another crunch month.tl;dr - Fuck graphics because I work in this hell every day.
>>322027778
>a game will and should ALWAYS have combat?
He said GAMEPLAY, not combat you dense motherfucker. If you can't see the difference you should request a lobotomy.
>>322019454
>vidya story discussion
>one insecure fag feels the need to remind everyone how books are superior
every time
>>322019454
>who cares about the story i just want to fuck around in a world which was so lazily designed that it disregards all internal consistency and was approved by the same retard who was in charge of the entire project from beginning to end
>>322028220
Nope. 90% of everything is shit, Anon. But it's even worse when it comes to video game stories.
>>322028503
In the context of the discussion we were having, we were referring to combat in RPGs. Try having some reading comprehension there, bro.
Are VNs considered games?
>>322029517
Best VN story already posted earlier, no need to bother anymore.
>>322024697
>can't put beards on girls
>more fun to dress up than boys
not even remotely bruh
>>322023171
>Legacy of Kain.
Pleb's choice. I'm not sure if you've ever played them all, or if you just seen the praise paraded around on /v/ and adopted it.
The story is a mess, and can't even stand on it's own two legs. They constantly fuck with the causality paradoxes and how the time travel actually effects things. Mortanius being possessed by the Hilden makes no sense if you've played Blood Omen, the Elder God being motivated by greed or sending an agent to kill Kain makes no sense, Janos and the Heart of Darkness is retarded, Vorador as the catalyst slaying the Circle was retarded. Practically none of the characters make sense. The "Vampires were the ones behind the real pillars" is like Deviant Art tier, etc. It just keeps going how fucked up and shitty it is, but people here say it's good because they're just too stupid to tell the difference.
People that unironically say LoK is a good story are genuinely too stupid to grasp the actual problems with the plot and the gymnastics they put the story through to make the fucking unwieldly overdone plot make it over the finish line, and fail.
Yes, Simon, Michael, and Tony did probably the best VA work I've ever seen. They played off each other magically. In fact it is so good that stupid people somehow convinced themselves that the story was good too.
No. It's bad. Stop listening to /v/.
>>322027675
The usual stance is that an ok story (Because games rarely have a truly good one) is not an excuse for shit-tier gameplay like most cinematic games have. The only exception I've ever seen is Planescape, and it still has fun elements to it like builds despite having shit combat.
>>322022745
Exactly. It's a trap question.
