How do i git gud at fighting games, /v/?
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How do i git gud at fighting games, /v/?
>>321974273
stop staring at butts maybe
Play them
>>321974561
Meh! then it's not worth it, what a gay e-sport.
Lose a lot and learn why you lost instead of getting mad. Then put time into fixing the holes in your game.
>>321974561
try and stop me
>>321974595
here's your (You)
>>321974561
We need a competition built around glaring at asses.
I'm sure it would be a hit.
Long post inc.
A real answer is more about how to reach your max potential, because in fighting games there are some things that you can't learn. Things like eye to hand coordination, how fast you reactions are, and finally how talented you are at reading, predicting, and adapting to you opponent.
That aside, practice makes perfect and i shall detail for you everything you can do to improve regardless of the things mentioned above.
First you have to find the characters you actually like, wether from a design stand point or from a playstyle stand point. You will not excel at playing someone you are not in love with.
Second you have to master yourself. You picked you char, now you will camp in training mode til every single move and combo come out naturally as muscle memory from you. As long as you feel effort when executing anything then know that you need more practice. Slowly but surely you will be able to maximise your damage from every opening your opponent gives you. When executing anything holds no effort for you, your brain will spot more and more openings.
After that, master your enemy. You can not beat a char when you are oblivious about their strengths and weaknesses. You fix that by playing every char in the game. The more you put time in them the more you will see and feel their strengths and weaknesses and thus how to reach the best approaches in fighting them.
After all those, just fight. Play against anyone and everyone. Each time you get your ass kicked ask yourself how and why. Learn. Develop. Adapt.
Learn to respect your opponent. I've been playing fighting games since SF2 on the SNES and that's the best advice I can give.
>>321975728
>A real answer is more about how to reach your max potential, because in fighting games there are some things that you can't learn. Things like eye to hand coordination, how fast you reactions are, and finally how talented you are at reading, predicting, and adapting to you opponent.
Bullshit.
>>321974273
Oh.
My.
God.
look at her butt. it is so big.
>>321974273
You must defeat sheng long to stand a chance.
>>321975927
Talent is real. Differences in human reaction speed is real. Swallow your ego and suck it up.
>>321976117
The one version on pornhub is quite nice.
>>321976474
The only thing I can give you is reactions being different and some people really being on another level with them, but even then they can be trained to reach a good level even if you think you are too slow. The rest is bullshit.
>>321976663
Reading and predicting someone can not be taught. It is talent. The sooner you accept it the sooner you will sleep better at night anon
>>321975728
I would like to add to what this guy said
Read some guides and watch high level replays of your character winning AND losing, it helps a lot.
>>321976964
I'm pretty decent at fighting games myself so I already sleep pretty well at night. And it took me years to get to this point so I know what I am talking about.
Keep telling yourself it's not your fault that you suck and you were just unlucky.
>learn bread and butter
>spam it
>you're now better than a noob
>learn which moves are punishable
>block them and then spam bread and butter
>you're now better than a scrub
>learn set ups, pokes, and crossovers
>you're now better than the average player
The fighting is just a side dish for the juicy butts, don't take it too seriously
>>321977112
The average player is not something to go by.
10 000 hours in Street Fighter to become just "ok" at fighting games.
That's what /v/ told me when I asked.
>>321977089
Seems to me that you are in denial anon knowing that there will always be players you can never beat no matter how many years you practice because they are faster and more talented than you. I have seen my share of these people. My advice to you anon is to leave your ego at the door. It is just a game and there is nothing wrong with having people more talented than you.
>>321975728
The ability to read opponents is for the most part learned. Sure you can say talent, but raw talent can supplement for everything.
>>321977264
You're gonna have a shitty time if you keep comparing yourself to pros
>>321977281
They were exaggerating. If you want to get above the average online player just a few hundreds of hours should be enough. At 1000 you should be pretty decent if you put in the effort. At 10k you could be a word level player (IF you put in the effort, just playing a lot is not enough to get on that level).
>>321977306
If you think reading the opponent is a talent and can't be learned you either don't play fighting games or are shit at them and you're trying to find excuses on why you suck. It's ok, just don't try and drag everybody down with you.
>>321974273
>create a character
>blonde hair and blue eyes
>brazilian butt
>japanese
R. Mika is just perfection.
>>321975728
That sounds like a lot of effort for a video game
>>321977692
She's japanese? Or do you mean caucasian but living in japan?
>>321977659
How stupid do you have to be to deny the existance of talent. Maybe it is your ego self defense mechanism being butthurt for the lack of talent that leads you to deny it, maybe not, who knows and who cares, but no matter what you say, talent exists in everything wether you like it or not.
>>321977702
Fighting games are for black people
They can only afford one game every 5 years so they have to buy Street Fighter 4 and then practice it autistically for thousands of hours, it started with old arcades where black people had to get good so they could play a video game all day for a quarter
>>321977702
Playing fighting games is a hobby like playing an instrument or drawing. It's a long term (possibly life long) interest. This is what a lot of people don't understand, they just come in thinking they can play them the 1 month they give their other single player games and get good and when they can't, they think they suck.
>>321977659
this video applies here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvD_NkUX-M
>>321977871
What's your hard on with egos, sounds to me like yours has a problem. Talent is a stupid coupout from people that don't feel like getting their go hurt. Yes, some people learn much faster and are always on top level of what they do, but pretty much anyone can get there IF they put in the effort and time. It may take more time, it may take more effort, but eventually you will see results. The talented people have spent hundreds or thousands of hours themselves learning the games and training and getting better.
As I said I'm pretty decent at fighting games myself so I have no worries for my ego, if anything I feel pretty good about it. But it wasn't always like this, I sucked for the longest time.
>>321977519
I personally don't but that's your decision mate.
I'm not happy when I go an entire evening without losing in ranked because the overall skill level is garbage, I'm happy when I did well at a tourney.
>>321977829
She's an ethnic japanese character in the Street Fighter universe (real name Mika Nanakawa, btw).
>>321978373
Also, you're going to have a bad time if you don't have friends to play with. The whole point of fighting games is to bring people together. If you're sitting alone in your room getting mad at video games, you need to rethink your priorities.
>>321978248
Nothing you said or will ever say can erase the existance of talent. The person who logged the most hours in anything(not just games) is NOT the best person in the planet at it. That is a fact.
Practice makes a person reach his max potential. More practice does NOT mean that every single person has limitless and equal potential. This is truth, you can not argue. Relax and accept it
>>321974273
Follow that facebook meme
>Good decisions
>How do I make good decisions?
>Experience
>How do I get experience?
>Bad decisions
>>321978549
How does that have anything to do with my post.
I'm saying that there is no point in ranked once you've become competitive because there aren't any good matches.
The only point to fighting games online is playing hand-picked players you know are good to learn matchups with.
To answer your unrelated comment though, playing offline regularly is better but not mandatory to become a good player, going to offline tourneys is, however.
>>321978729
Okay, sounds like you're right where you want to be. Say hi to the inside of your ass for me.
You need to practice a lot. I usually take a single character through the single player campaign after reading up on what their best moves are.
The easiest way to learn is to play a fighting game you like and play with friends who are as good as you are. That way, you can learn the mechanics together while also having fun. If you're not having fun doing it, you're not doing it right.
>>321978520
What's with Japanese obsession with whites? Nothing about Mika screams Japanese to me. She's as white as Cammy. Makes no sense desu.
>>321978247
I watched 70% of the video and I strongly disagree with him. What i think is that a lot of people are too lazy to really try and achieve shit.
>>321978659
Talent exists but that's misleading. It depends a lot on your definition of talent. Talent is not "This person has talent so I will never beat him".
>>321977702
This stuff really doesn't matter if you're not trying to reach the top.
At the lower levels of just being good or decent, all you really have to do is be comfortable with your character. Most people aren't so good that they can force you to try hard -- really, there isn't. I troll on sfiv all the time in anticipation for sfv, so I can tell you most players are mediocre so just have fun
With that said, it wouldn't hurt to know combos how to defend, and like one or two setups, since you'll need at least that much, and you can master it in matches. I rarely ever touched TR in any game I played unless it was for obscure stuff I never used and like some FFF cancels and 1 frame links, so really just over the top shit. For beginners, I'd say a good 30 minutes every once in a while if you want to be better than bottom of the barrel. Challenge mode.is also good.
I suggest sfv since the hopes of the game is make it fun for everyone, although you're gonna have a bad time fighting some of the higher level palyers.
>>321979005
Dude, get a grip. It's just a videogame.
>>321975856
>tfw I learned that Jap devs don't allow you to hit your opponent after you K.O. them anymore because it's really disrespectful in their culture
>>321979005
What's with the western obsession with blacks?
>>321977934
Anon, I hope you're joking - for your own sake, I hope you are.
Get laid and quit jacking off tbth. It makes you stupid as fuck.
>>321979279
Holy shit, you got me.
>>321979279
White guilt mostly. That and they almost always have some way to benefit from bringing up blacks.
>>321977934
That's bullshit, but logically sound enough to legitimately fool people.
>>321979021
Nothing is misleading. Talent exists in everything and it can NOT be taught. Simplicity itself. You can never claim you will beat everyone at anything as long as you practiced that something more than them. Many people will surpass you in anything with less practice. There is nothing misleading or hard to understand about this. Pure simple fact.
>>321979005
I have no idea, I'd guess they probably want to diversify the "japanese look". After all, in the real world, everyone there have black hair and dark brown eyes.
Karin is also japanese.
>>321977934
You're describing asians. Even blacks who train all day don't get near asian skll levels.
>>321978821
I have a few people I play offline with regularly but all of us take the games seriously because they're competitive.
What the fuck is your problem with that, don't be mad just because I don't suffer from the same scrub mentality as you.
Someone here want to play on steam USF4?
Anyone who beats me in a FT5 get's his choice between a Lost Planet 3 or DmC Key for Steam, you can try as often as you'd like.
Post steam if you're interested, I'll add you
>>321974273
My god what a butt..honestly, I respect artists like this, who can draw such convincing looking butts that really reach out to you. In general the moment the piece speaks to you, you know its a great artist.
>>321979534
Do you consider yourself talented or not?
>>321979534
Let's put it like this.
Let's say talent is base stats.
Both guy have 0 exp, the more talented one is better because he has 10 STR, 10 DEX and 10 INT while the other has 5 each.
However the second one, with enough practice and levels, he'll surpass the first with no practice.
That's just what he meant. Sure talented people have more potential but they're not unbeatable. However they can win with way less practice than the average guy
>>321979534
There's a lot that's misleading about talent being key, actually.
If you take someone with average talent and train him well for years, with good nutrition and he's dedicated, he'll certainly be better than 99% of the population at that thing.
Be it videogames or being an athlete.
Talent is truly relevant and the most important vatiable in a sample of people who had the same upbringing, training and spent about the same amount of time doing that thing.
Talking about fighting games, most people play them wrong if they're focused to get better, only a fraction of people do it right and those are usually the same people that play the game on a high level competitively.
>>321974273
Mika's butt is a miracle of the universe.
Anyway, there's only one thing you can do, OP: play those games a lot. The answer to most learning problems is pure practise. Pro tip: find human opponents, possibly for local multiplayer.
>>321978247
>steel
>>321974273
BRAAAAP
>>321979259
And if I made a clearly black guy video game character and told you he was white you think this board wouldn't be throwing the biggest bitch fit about it?
No fag you get over it. It doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>321979279
Agree bro agree.
>>321979857
No one said talented people are unbeatable. The point was that talent can nit be taught. You practice to reach your max potential. People have different potentials and no one can claim to be the best just because he put the most hours in anything
>>321980220
Differences in talent regarding reaction time and motor skills etc. are not even that large usually, I'm personally convinced that a lot of it comes down to the amount of quality time spent.
Too many people just play a game braindead without actually paying attention to what's happening so they stagnate at a certain point.
>>321979857
I agree but I still think there is a level cap somewhere. But it's not as close as you might think it is. somepeople dont do well when they're starting out and they think theyve reached their level cap. well thats wrong mate. for example a lot of drummers might not reach buddy rich and beyond but they be able to get pretty fucking close. but you need to remember that people like that are very rare. but I think there is a way if you really really try, to be able to push your level cap by a little bit.
Stop arguing and post more Mikas.
Define "talent" now faggits
>>321979834
This is like that discussion between naruto and neji
Neji was right btw
I hope the story mode will be like Mortal kombats
>>321980621
Talent is when you are good at something without any practise or training. Of course, people with talent can still improve with training.
>>321980720
Neji's dead.
>>321980825
He's dead because naruto is way more talented than him
The fucker was literally ninja jesus at the end of the manga
>>321980825
He couldn't live long enough to see himself be right.
>>321974561
Do you want OP to become a faggot?
>>321974273
R. Mika's measurements (Bust, Waist, Hip) are 38" (97 cm), 28" (72 cm), and 36" (93 cm).
>>321980621
Talent is something that lets you accomplish more within a shorter amount of time. Someone with talent might reach the same skill level as someone who's been practicing for 10 years in a couple of months.
>>321981094
>>321980820
talent doesn't exist.
>>321981079
Tits are too big, ass is the perfect size.
>>321981139
I know a friend that never took a single singing lesson and yet he can sing godly. That's what talent is. You might have another term to define it but people without autism call it "talent".
>>321981420
>I know a friend that never took a single singing lesson and yet he can sing godly. That's what talent is.
That's genetics, son.
>>321980820
So is it a bodily function? Like if how because blacks are born with more/better twitch muscle fibers, they are more talented at running?
>>321980884
>He's dead because naruto is way more talented than him
nope it's thanks to the fox in him
>>321981094
This sounds better to me
>>321981447
No. It's memetics. In its proper meaning.
>>321981447
So is talent.
>>321981454
did you even read that manga?
in the end he was the reincarnation of the son of an god, destined to be OP and fight and all that crap
>>321981454
Did you read the manga ? Both Saucegay and nurutu were related to the sons of the six paths.
Sure the fox helped a lot, but it's part of him.
I guarantee all the people crying about talent have not put 1000 hours of QUALITY time in any fighting game.
>>321981676
why is so hard for you people to see that some are naturally better at some things than others?
Is that really an impossible concept to you?
>>321981676
/thread
You can get some wins if you have better sense for timings, but that's as far you can get.
>>321981623
>>321981630
Fuck i forgot. The final arc is a fucking blur to me because of how fucking out of nowhere it was
>>321981454
>So is it a bodily function? Like if how because blacks are born with more/better twitch muscle fibers, they are more talented at running?
It's spmething you have since you were born. Like the color of your hair or your eyes. Like your personal tastes over food and other stuff (and personal tastes can improve/change like your talent as well).
>>321981756
DID you put 1000 hours of quality time into a fighting game? Did you?
>>321974273
Took me about 200 total hours between MK9 and MKX combined to become one of the top players online. I've beaten some pretty famous tourney-level guys too
It just takes practice. I'm picking up SFV next
>>321981676
Acknowledging the existance of talent does not mean crying about it son
>>321981756
you just want to feel pity for yourself because you are so "not fortunate" instead of actually trying to get better yourself.
>it's not my fault I don't have any talent
>>321981776
It should have ended at madara t b h
>>321981778
>It's spmething you have since you were born. Like the color of your hair or your eyes. Like your personal tastes over food and other stuff
like some other guy said.....genetics?
>>321981591
Boy, I wish.
>>321981676
Talent exists. That's not an excuse for not training and playing. A lazy ass talented guy can be beaten by a non talented one that trained a lot.
And if we are looking at the big picture, talented people can also be unlucky while non talented ones can be lucky.
>>321981776
>>321981858
he shat on his own 20 year work for no god damm reason
Madara had backstory and he was being foreshadow since the beggining of the manga
Then he gets sidelined in one page OUT OF NOWHERE
this is like mass effect ending all over again
>>321981846
You can work and strive without denying the existance of talent. Do not mix immaturity and laziness into the existance of talent
>>321981858
Its " to meme honest" you piece of crap.
>>321981517
>memetics
>>321981517
>>321981517
I've read about this.
and it's fucking ridiculous if you start percieving shit around you through the spectrum of it.
Like, children getting into their first fight and dominating the other kid.
It pays into the reasons eugenics and selective breeding have merit for the -right- reasons.
I was at a friends house, his family has always either been militarily active, skilled combatants during wars. Or athletic
I watched his fucking 4 year old put his 6 year old sister in a fucking full on rear-naked choke.
His father was 3 combat tour veteran of the Irag/Afghanistan wars, his grandfather was a vietnam veteran.
Nobody willingly goes out and teaches their toddler how to perform a rear-naked choke. But that little bastard had the form down to a fucking T. My buddy didn't believe me until he looked at them and freaked the fuck out at the obvious signs.
>>321981918
lazy ass "talented" guys usually will always stays very mediocre in their field unless they put as many hours into something as "not talented" guys.
The best that so called "talent" gives - is a quick head start - which actually can be worse thing to get if you get too full of yourself.
>>321982005
>not "to be memest"
get your shit together familia
>>321981591
is this the excuse lazy shits use to get out of actually trying to be good at anything
Post more fighting butts.
>>321982078
Im not part of your family. Thank goodness that i dont even know you.
It just infuriates me that people actually use talent as an excuse for why they suck. I believe that anyone (unless actually literally mentally damaged and retarded) can reach things like a degree in maths or becoming very good at fighting games. "I just suck atn maths!!! >.<" is an excuse people that don't do nearly enough practice or not FOCUSED practice tell themselves to feel better about failing. You can get to a good enough level in pretty much anything if you set your mind to it. A lot of epople just don't want to or don't care, and blaming talent (or lack of) is much faster and easier. If shit like level caps actually exist, they are at a very high level. Anyone can become very good.
>>321981143
>Tits are too big, ass is the perfect size.
>Tits are too big
>Tits
kek
>>321981756
You can tell who the depressed NEETs are in this thread.
>>321980884
Naruto was such fucking bullshit, it tried to preach the talent vs hardwork but it was always the one with talent who won. Naruto didn't learn all that shit by working hard but by being handed it on a silver platter due to his heritage and talent.
>>321982397
Should have just ended on the Pain Arc imo.
>inb4 anyone shitting on him
He's the most improved player of the past 2 years and wasn't exaggerating when he said he was ready for Kazunoko, he made an absolutely awful matchup look decent.
>>321982240
A lazy person looking for any reason to justify his laziness does not erase the existance of talent anon. Even talented people can be lazy. Relax
>>321982485
>0-2 strider
>>321982512
All my life people have called me talented at playing the guitar. What's funny is that the more I practice, the more talented people say I am.
Lack of talent is not the reason why people never undertake things. Why in the fuck would you be good at something you've never done before? "Talent" is just an excuse lazy shits use. It doesn't matter what you cry out from your basement.
>>321982512
Most people may be good at something but they will never know because they never actually tried.
>>321982947
People remarking your improvement does not erase the existance of talent anon. There are 5 year olds who wrote symphonies. Can every single 5 year old on the planet write symphonies with enough practice?
>>321982143
>>321980529
Fuck off retard, this isn't a circlejerk thread.
>>321983108
go back to tumblr and make depressing post, emo
>>321983083
Very true. Talent is never an excuse to escape laziness nor does it discredit or undermine effort and hard work in any way. It still exists though.
>>321983108
>There are 5 year olds who wrote symphonies
Are you seriously equating one symphony to another? Do you think Mozart (quite literally the only person you COULD be referring to, and even then he was 8 when he wrote his first) hadn't had musical tuition forced down his throat ever since he could read?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC6eQdeNOjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3kh8ZEgA
These two pieces of musical aren't even comparable in their composition, orchestration, and harmony.
Any child raised in that kind of environment would've turned out much the same. It's extremely rare to hear of a child that had tuition forced down their throat and turned out stupid.
Fuck it I don't care, go stew in your ignorance and incompetence.
I'm really good at smash bros melee but want to get good at a "real" fighting game. What would you guys recommend?
>>321983273
Not a counter argument anon. Grow up and learn.
Now that the talent dust has settled, who are you maining and you else are you interested in ?
I'm maining Necalli because he's straightforward and simple to play, and I feel like my fundamentals might improve better if I stick with him. I'm also interested in Chun-Li
>>321983496
Street Fighter V
>>321983564
Laura, Karin, Chun, Ryu,Will try FANG
>>321983436
Personal insults are not a counter argument anon, they are a mere sign of defeat. My competence or lack of competence has nothing to do with the existance of talent. If a blind guy does not see the sun it does not mean the sun does not exist.
Alot of kids will have more shoved down their throat and still will never come close to other kids with raw natural born talent. You did not answer my question. The answer is easily a no. Accept it.
anons, is Street Fighter 3 fun to git gud at? It seems like the most fun of the SF games, I've just been playing arcade mode as Chun-Li and I much prefer the 2D sprites than the 3D SF games.
>>321983903
I guess you could play it on Fightcade, I think there are still people playing.
Stick with Chun-li because SF3 is Ken & Chun : the game.
>>321983518
I've seen pretty "talented" people when I was studying. At first I was impressed, but then I learned a bit more about them.
It's not talent. It's "my parents put me in a art school when I was a kid, so I don't need to make any more effort at all, cause I'm so good - I got accepted in art academy without much problem". Who guess was calling them talented? Proud parents, classmates, teachers, etc. Talent is a powerful word which actually has no meaning. If you start believing that word - you'll become such "talented" people I met in academy back in the day.
And if some neckbeard like me with no art background who started painting in his 20s can overtake them skill wise those "talented" people going from complete shit to being plainly better - that's only because of hard work which those lack to apply.
Hell, I've seen those "talented" people getting mad and throwing bullshit when I started to get better marks than them on assignment.
This is word "talent" does with you. That's why talent itself doesn't exist, it's a mirage made up to praise someone's work and motivate them by making them believe that they are special snowflakes.
>>321984331
>>>/vg/
>>321983564
Interested in Birdie, Laura, FANG, Ken, Necalli, and Chun in that order. Hoping Guile and Balrog are good, but I'm scared both are going to be shit
>People actually believe you need talent to play fighting games.
Holy shit just git gud.
>>321984421
Oh yeah I forgot Birdie too, this guy seems interesting and I love his jap VA. I might also play Balrog after release, I've always had a thing for the boxer.
>>321984362
Looking at both catalogs, we can quickly see /vg/ is for videogames while /v/ is for garbage and ass and tits. You seem to be in the wrong place.
Gonna need more R. Mika. My folder is quite low.
>>321984354
Your personal experience in life does not erase the existance of talent anon lol.
>>321984564
Go into the fucking threads you retard, you will see why you're so wrong.
>>321984623
Why are you so obsessed with talent exactly? That's literally the only thing you have been posting over and over.
>>321984623
>talent exist cause I said so
ok
>>321984681
fgg is is definitely a much better place for fighting games than /v/
>>321984692
he wants to feel better about himself being literally nobody.
>it's not because I didn't work hard, it's because other people had talent while I didn't have it.
Step 1: Acquire fun fighting game
Step 2: Play fun fighting game with friends
Step 3: Enjoy yourself while becoming better at fighting games.
>>321984681
Please keep offtopic posting to a minimum.
>>321984797
I want to play a fun fighting game with Lili's asshole.
>>321984763
No. Not at all. Unless you want constant shitflinging. Even the SFV threads are better on /v/. The Xrd, Tekken and DoA threads are objectively better on /v/ than the autistic general full of manchildren known as /fgg/. /fgg/ shouldn't even exist. It's too popular of a genre now.
>>321982902
he went 1-2 against Kaz in a horrible match up when other players got fucked up even worse.
>>321984946
Anyone who can play fighting games at a decent level on 4chan is in fgg.
>>321984884
You don't play Lili. Lili plays you.
>>321984763
I went there today and it was just Guilty Gear fags butthurt about Street Fighter discussion.
>>321984946
lmao
every time I enter an Xrd thread it's nothing but waifu- and storyposting, and don't get me started on DoA.. /v/ doesn't know jack about Fighting Games as a whole. /fgg/ isn't good, granted, but at least roughly 75% of them actually play games.
>>321985049
drowned out by waifufags and shitposters so it isn't worth it
>>321985049
Ok? Does that mean the discussion is good? It's free of shitposting? Nope. The Xrd threads on /v/ are way better to learn the games than on /fgg/. You can make DoA lobbies way easier on /v/ and get people to play than /fgg/. The general is good for a few things, but it's not good for everything.
>>321985136
Funny, everytime I enter an Xrd thread, I see people posting lobbies and streams.
>>321985073
The GG vs SFV shitposting has only been happening since the steam release and I think it's just one or two autistic people. Regardless, you can find people for both games there, just ignore the shit flinging.
>>321979534
Thinking that people reading (predicting) is impossible to learn is as retarded as thinking that understanding game's rules is a talent, baka.
>>321984708
you can't train reaction time
>>321984692
Saying talent exists is not an obsession anon. 1+1=2. Does not mean i am obsessed with math. What you should ask is why are you so obsessed with erasing talent?
>>321985763
You can to a certain degree. Certainly enough to get to a competent reaction level, even if you won't set the world record in reaction times.
>>321985763
nice joke
>>321984817
Noice.
>>321985763
Fighting Games aren't about raw reactions, they're also about expectation, mental resources and recognizing visual cues. All of that is far more important than a raw reaction time.
>>321985771
I am not obsessed with erasing talent. I have played fighting games for years and reached my own conclusions from experience and I want to help people that may be in a similar situation to what i was years ago when I thought I couldn't become good at fighting games. You are talking theory bullshit.
Please read >>321982485 , I think it could help you too.
>>321985763
Umm.....uhhhhhhhhh, uhm but you can anon
>>321986005
>aren't about raw reactions
>recognizing visual cues
>>321986016
Your life experience is not an argument that erases the existance of talent anon. Same goes for anyone else. 1+1=2 anon.
Saying talent exists does not hinder anyone from improving just cuz some people love to use talent as an excuse to escape their laziness anon.
>>321986146
You don't need reactions on the limit of human possibility to play even at the highest level. Some players like Fuudo and Ricky Ortiz are known for their godly reactions, but there's plenty more top players that have the same or even more success and do not have superhuman reactions.
>>321986146
Yeah? You're more likely to react to something faster when you are expecting it. You are going to be slower when you were looking for something else and another visual cue catches you by surprise.
Expecting the right visual and also audio cues comes from experience, not talent or reaction time.
>>321986247
So my life's experience and fucking 801 Strider's experience has no meaning, but your theorymaking with no experience has? Ok friend, just keep telling yourself it's not your fault. I'm sure it will become true.
>>321975728
>A real answer is more about how to reach your max potential, because in fighting games there are some things that you can't learn. Things like eye to hand coordination, how fast you reactions are, and finally how talented you are at reading, predicting, and adapting to you opponent.
Bull-fucking-shit. Reading, predecting and adapting are not "talents" but stuff you learn just like everything else, and as long as you are not disabled or what have you, every non-handicapped person on the planet has the physical abilities required to do good at fighting games as far as stuff like executing combos or reacting to attacks goes.
This "I've hit a cap" thing, I'm sick and tired of it. It's always just people who have played fighters for only like 200 hours, downloaded all the youtube tech into their muscle memory, and now suddenly can't improve just by slaving in training mode any longer.
>>321974273
PRACTICE
>>321986729
Indeed. life experience is not logical proof. A blind man who never saw the sun is not proof that the sun does not exist anon. Simplicity itself.
>>321977702
There's a reason fighting games like RTS are slowly dying, and there is no esports interest in them.
>>321977306
you sound like one of those people that believe you'll never be good at art because it's something your born with. I'm a good drawer because I spent a lot of my time as a child practicing how to draw. The koreans that win every year at league of legends win because most of them are practicing upwards of 12 hours a day, top players of any game play it a lot some even take drugs like adderall to minimize the amount of sleep they need. Streamers do this as well. Your the one that's in denial. You can be good at anything anon if you put the time in.
>>321986853
You are like a blind man talking about how green the sun is.
>>321986990
>fighting games are slowly dying
dude the dying phase was 15 years ago, fighting games are rising from the dead and better than ever.
Shitty players believe in natural talent and ability because it's easier to accept than the fact that they are not trying hard enough or they are not dedicated
However
High level players do not want to believe that natural talent and abilities have anything to do with their success. It implies their victories were not earned only by themselves.
As far as I know no one has proven either argument completely.
>>321986994
Stop making me repeat my arguments anon. My personal life has nothing to do with 1+1=2. No matter what claims you throw on my life it has no reflection on me nor on the arguments provided. They only reflect an immature reaction caused by the lack of arguments anon
I just love how these threads are everywhere with SFV coming out. You see after SF4 soft-rebooted the franchise and the community was largely new, the skill level was pretty low. Since then it has been a steady influx on the average skill level required to be good at the game. With that it's harder for newer players to even play online.
It's the same thing that happened with 3rd strike. The game just had a very small community of players that were insanely good, and new players were just steamrolled to a point they didn't even learn anything.
V has the fate of 3rd strike unless capcom figures out some kind of ranking (and i don't mean 4's shitty ranking system) or makes the game completely casual.
>>321986994
What the fuck are moba players even doing training 12 hours a day other than streaming. Like if it was RTS I can understand losing muscle memory or whatever but there has to be a cap on what you can work on in a moba.
>>321987091
That was because arcades were dying, fighting games themselves were way better 15 years ago.
>>321987246
>I'll just equate believing in talent with believing in 1+1=2, that way no one will be able to argue with me!
God you're pathetic.
>>321987390
>or makes the game completely casual
It already is anon
>>321987402
Strategies? Executing them as a unit? Adaptation? Communication? Teamwork? Gathering experience? Trying out new item builds and hero compositions?
>>321987457
Facts anon. Open the dictionary. Talent is there. I am not claiming or inventing anything by saying talent exists lol
>>321987612
word "talent" exists. talent itself - doesn't.
>that feel when doing the mika corner combos and taking almost half of their life with little effort
>>321987682
That shit is so SJW lol
First races, then gender, then genetics.
>We're all created equal, talent doesn't exist!1!!1!
>>321987802
>trying to derail this hard
>>321987612
>talent doesn't really matter and can't be measured to any degree because almost anyone who is really good at something also has to spent a shitton of time to practice it
>I know I'll just spout "facts!" and call it a day!
As I said, you're pathetic.
>>321987601
>he thinks moba games offer variable and unpredictable gameplay
>>321987682
Your personal opinion is not fact anon lol
>>321987802
Honestly I have a hard time following your logic, If I am understanding this correctly do you seriously believe some people come out of the womb born professional cs:go players without even playing the game? No one accidentally gets good at anything.
>>321987802
>anon was a /pol/tard all along
sou ka
>>321987854
Nothing you said erases the existance of talent anon. Personal insults are more and more proof that you are not intetested in an open minded debate and more intetested into "i am right you are wrong" attitude. Not healthy anon.
>>321988115
The point of the matter is that talent doesn't matter to any significant degree and can't be measured either way so your whole argument is moot. You're not out for an "open minded" debate, you're arguing a pointless principle that no one is interested in and doesn't advance the discussion in the slightest. If you think people get good at something by talent alone or if you think talent keeps you from becoming at least competent if not good at something, and if you think the most important factor in expertise is to practice it over and over, then I can only assume you have never actually tried getting good at something.
>>321988115
Not him but this is my last serious message to you. You have not proven a single thing in any of your posts, you just say baseless "I am right" stuff like "it's like 1+1!" or "I am right because you haven't proven yourself right enough" and you just keep repeating it. I am convinced you are pretending to be stupid on purpose to troll. Well, congratulations, you managed to make me post my honest opinion multiple times while making stupid posts. Good on you.
>>321988515
>and if you think the most important factor in expertise is to practice it over and over
isn't*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
>>321988515
Inability to measure something with numbers in our current scientific capacities does not mean it does not exist anon. Example: you can not measure love or any feeling with numbers, but that is not proof that feelings do not exist. Simple. See this is how you give a counter argument. Learn anon.
>>321983564
>who are you maining
cammy
>wou else are you interested in
cammy
>>321987390
or you know, you suck it up and learn something from being bodied by better players
just like every other fighting game
>>321988575
There is no trolling in saying talent exists.
Practice, practice, practice.
Then when you're done practicing, practice some more. It's really as simple as that. Everything else (learning to read patterns/etc.) will eventually come to you while playing.
>>321988905
Good job on ignoring the rest of my post. I'll assume that you did it on purpose.
>>321986247
The "talented" players barely benefit from it and only over people who barely play the game. Everyone good puts in thousands upon thousands of hours.
>>321989261
That is cuz i already answered it before anon but i will indulge you.
The existence of talent is not undermining hard work and effort. Saying talent exists is not saying that one should never work hard nor is it an excuse for laziness anon.
>>321988038
>>321988045
>>321988515
>doesn't matter to any significant degree
I mostly agree with the anti-talent fags in this thread but to say that talent doesn't play a really big role SOMETIMES is retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWm-zPHnrw
I'm sure this guy is just good at maths because he watched the sesame street right?
>>321983564
Currently looking at Cammy, Karin, Ken and possibly Laura. Need to get some more time in with Laura before I really know though.
>>321989753
I didn't mean to argue that there aren't cases in which special people have an extreme affinity in picking something up, but we're neither talking about doing something from year 2 of your life onwards nor prodigy-levels of performances that would need to be required to be good at Fighting Games. That's my problem really, the other idiot can argue semantics that talent "exists" all day long but it really doesn't matter or is in any way recognizable for the vast majority of cases in, well, anything, while hard work and perseverance does in pretty much all of them.
>>321990230
Saying talent exists does not mean hard work does not get results anon lol
>>321990460
That's correct. Saying talent exists doesn't "say" anything at all.
>>321974273
How do I git gud at finding fighting game girls porn?
Preferably doujins of them getting ryona'd and fucked.
>>321986990
Fighting games are healthier than ever. Tekken, Guilty Gear and Blazblue are doing well at the arcades. SFV is going to sell a few millions despite being fairly cheap to make.
>>321990587
Play on words provides no logical proof that talent does not exist anon
>>321990882
>talent does not exist
Is not what that post was saying at all. Care to try again?
>>321989570
FUCK OFF. I WISH I COULD KIL YOU
>>321991454
It was what it implied anon. Personal effort on a forum has nothing to do with the existance of talent anon.
>>321978840
>thought she was doing the splits
>her knees are bent inward
What the fuck.
>>321984564
sauce on this? I lost it a long time ago.
>>321991454
Understanding or misunderstanding a quote on a forum also got nothing to do with the existance of talent
>>321991501
Saying that talent exists is a good enough reason for you to wish for my death anon? lol i wish i was there for you anon.
>>321991736
>>321991914
Saying talent exists doesn't mean anything
>>321974273
Read this ebook
http://shoryuken.com/2014/07/07/learn-how-to-play-fighting-games-with-our-free-beginners-guide-ebook/
>>321974703
>here's your reply
>>321984331
>thread is actually discussing the game so it's bad
>>321991785
it's called a squat
Shield + Grab + D-throw to U-air
rinse and repeat
>>321992284
Talent has nothing to do with the game
>>321992195
It is stating a fact.
>>321992708
You have a lot to learn about discussion culture anon. Not that I'm gonna bother teaching you of course.
>>321992994
You need to learn to stop escaping debates when you are out of counter arguments anon lol
I've played fighting games for a couple thousand of hours, and I always thought the notion of being "talented" in them is pretty silly. I'll give you something like reaction time, where one guy can react in 30 ms and the other guy in 25ms, and that's something that won't change no matter how much either of them practice, but other thant that, honestly? There isn't a thing you can not learn. Or rather not a thing you could possibly have an "inate" talent for. Getting a feel for all of your options, and what to do at what point to beat out what response from your opponent, and eventually catching on to what it is that opponents like to do on the regular to the point where you can read them like a book, that can not be "talent", that is playing the game over and over and over and eventually it sticks.
For fighting games I really always felt, the time you spent playing them is, in most cases, it directly correlates to your skill level. The guy who's played 10 hours beats the guy who just picked up the game handily, but gets his ass kicked by the guy who played 100. The guy who played 200h kicks that guy's ass, the guy who played 500h will in turn beat him, and the guy who played 1000h rapes the 500 hours guy again. And the guy who played 2000h competes at EVO, and the guy who's got 5000h wins the tournament.
>>321978840
Name of the chick?
>>321993205
Get 2 people and let them both play 10 hours in a fighting game. then let them fight and every round will be a double ko yea?
How do I get R. Mika to fart on my face, /v/?
>>321989259
Words cannot describe how hard Butcha U's drawings make my dick.
Also, you're right, it's a matter of practice, but also a determination. one You just gotta love what you're doing, or you'll eventually get bored. I personally get very hooked up getting gud until I reach the point of "I have to study frames and fightan mumbo jumbo to get better", and at that point I just lose interest. It's not my thing.
>>321993141
Says the guy who just repeats "talent exists" to any argument.
>>321979005
Because if they really were to go for "authentic real life Japanese look", everyone would look boring and same-y. Since this is just a video game, they just changed things around in the pool of Japanese characters.
>>321994086
After providing logical counter arguments yes
>>321993763
Obviously not because 2 people aren't going to learn the exact same things in 10 hours, it's possible that one guy finds something the other guy doesn't have an answer to yet and so on and so forth.
>>321994259
Indeed. So we agree that hours spent is not everything. It is a huge factor yes, but not everything
>>321993670
R. Mika
>>321993670
Asama Tomo
>>321993763
Well let's be real, with this little time spent it's more likely one of the two has got an edge cause he's came into the competition with some relevant information from playing other games, or because he's watched that one super revelatory video which the other person has not - but it's probably gonna be rather close matches, yeah. And that will be even more the case when both have, say, the same one hundred hours of playtime.
Double KOs are hardly a thing, let's not shit ourselves. But an even set, with nobody really having the upper hand, you can bet your ass that's what's happening.
>>321994478
And some learn faster then others. Or even pick up bad habits against cpu
>>321994478
The point is, "talent" has got nothing to do with it.
>>321977954
Except playing an instrument and drawing are both talents, playing a video game will never be
>>321981837
>MK9 and MKX
>online only
I have some bad news for you, anon.
You're not good at fighting games and you're going to get crushed in SFV.
I kinda want to know who your character in MKX was so I can know for sure you were doing high/low online shenanigans to win.
>>321994913
I actually know a lot of artists who are very opposed to the concept of talent as well. Both musicians and people who draw.
Cause they feel "all" they did was slave their asses of practicing, that they spent a lot of time and willpower on improving theis skills, and they want recognition for that, instead of their success being credited to some magical "talent" they just were lucky to be born with.
>>321986845
PRAK TEES!
>>321994891
But it does. Pros are pros because they are talented people who at the same time strive and practice hard. It is silly to think that the best player is just the player who put the most hours in.
>>321974273
you dont ask /v/
>>321994205
Lame excuse anon. I mentioned it earlier. Why not make a black guy character then and claim he is white man? Oh yeah because that would be retarded.
Same thing here. Makes no sense and in no way should be defended period. I don't have a problem with her being from japan. It's that she is ETHNICALLY japanese. It's beyond fucking stupid. She clearly does not look asian.
>>321994913
But practice makes you better. So can it really be called talent if you so in knowing nothing and learning it
>>321995436
Indeed. If it is just about hours in then you would never see young players winning anything.
>>321976564
Source, you fuccboi
>>321995436
What part of what they do is "talent"? What is it they were born with, they had no control over? What is there in a fighting game that you can not practice, or rather, what is there that you *can* do without practicing? Because I seriously can not think of a single thing apart from a milisecond difference in reaction times. If brolylegs can do one frame links, so can you.
>>321975728
>now you will camp in training mode til every single move and combo come out naturally as muscle memory from you. As long as you feel effort when executing anything then know that you need more practice. Slowly but surely you will be able to maximise your damage from every opening your opponent gives you.
this is terrible advice, all you need is a few basic combos to beat 3000PP players in USF4, no amount of practicing in built rhythm games is going to make you good at fighting games if everything other part of your game is shit. Just learn some very basic combos and keep playing people online or at locals.
>>321974273
I want to smell R. Mika's butt.
I want to sleep on her butt.
I want to rub my face on it. It must be incredibly smooth and firm.
I want to see just how much of a mix of fat and muscle there is in her butt.
I want to lick her dark pink anus.
FORGET OP THE FAGGOT AND THE REST OF THE SHITTY DISCUSSION
The real question is how do we uncensor Mika's ass slap?
>>321974273
you need to play vs people in sets offline that are better than you and have them point out what you are doing wrong on fundamental level. once you learn fundamentals, you can then add combos for the big dmg. if you cant understand or even see why your spacing is wrong and why only using one or two of the 10+ normals you have is wrong and so on, youll never be able to apply your training mode combos to an actual match. online is ok to just have matchup experience and see all the scrubby play, but you eventually need to play offline with actual people in sets to develop true knowledge.
>>321995645
Pretty much every high level competitor is as experienced as they "can be", all people who have started playing since the inception of the genre in the arcade days.
I'm sure as esports grow, high level competitors will become older and older.
i need u laura
>>321996050
PC WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING
>>321996098
What you said means that they reached their cap in what they can acquire through practice. All the pros know all the insides and outs of a game. A fighting game is not an infinite study. They all know all there is to know about the game. What differentiates them after all their experience are the things you dont learn in a lab
Did this game really get censored of some sjw nonsense?
>>321996746
It did get censored, but not because of SJWs. It's because Capcom wants to bring in a younger audience, and the butt-slap to them was a bit to risque for kids.
>>321996863
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN
>>321996746
They changed the camera angle of Mika's CA so it doesn't zoom in on her butt anymore.
>>321992258
that book is mostly trash. it doesn't really contain any not completely obvious information.
>>321996863
I understand, beating the shit out of one another is okay, but a girl spanking her own but? completely inappropriate
>>321979005
Hair dye, hair stylists, and contacts don't exist in Japan pham. Every Jap character should be a kimono and perform sudoku when they lose.
How could Capcom get it so wrong?
>>321979668
I'll give it a shot, lord knows I need some practise against worthy opponents
/id/general_sexy/
>>321997220
>beating the shit out of each other
>Street Fighter
Shit's cartoony as fuck, bro.
>>321996863
Are they aware that a lot of kids watch WWE and that still has diva matchesI think, haven't watched in a long time?
>>321996563
No, you got me wrong there. What I meant by "as experienced as they can be" is they have acrued about as much knowledge as was possible to acrue in the time frame they had available. So that's why they can still be young, the are still quite a bit older than the games they're playing.
Nothing is an "infinite study" on paper, but let me tell you, competitive fighting games are more of a study than an individual can finish in a lifetime. So that's why I'm certain as the games age, so will the average age of the top level competitors. Much like with chess grandmasters.
>>321997243
>Hair dye, hair stylists, and contacts don't exist in Japan pham.
She still doesn't look japanese PHAM. Plenty of japs out there with contacts and hair dye still look asian.
>>321997549
Are you aware that rhetorical arguments on 4chan mean nothing to a corporate exec in the face of market research? and focus testing?
Can you insufferable faggot with your goddamn talent bullshit finally get into your thick skull that being good at a Fighting Game isn't a bunch of numbers that come together and form a higher number and the one with the higher number objectively always wins. Do you even play the genre or any competitive game at all?
It comes down to your mindgames, your decisions within a single match, what character you play, how much experience you have for all the countless of situations you can have, how you respond to them and even your fucking mood and mental pressure. Shit like that fluctuates and it has NOTHING to do with your magical talent bullshit that you factor in for no apparent reason.
No current pros have NOT learned everything there is to learn because Fighting Games are a competitive player vs player event where the game changes with how your opponents change.
Judging from the bullshit you spout I could swear that you're some kind of streamape who hasn't even entered a single FG tournament in his life.
>>321997606
Reflexes are a huge part of fighting games
People over 35 will struggle to compete with teenagers.
After a certain point even pros won't be able to anti-air properly.
>>321997612
this is clearly a troll. she does look asian. look really close and you can see the resemblance if you can get past the white features. then compare her to chun li or cammy and she obviously looks closer to asian.
>>321985072
Why is Lili so perfect. No other ojou can compete.
>>321997549
They're not like they used to be, they don't do bra and panties matches anymore.
>>321997708
Whats funny is that alot of what you said in your ragey post can be attributed to talent and not things you learn 100% from practice lol. I can imagine you veins popping while typing.
What is it with you people and denying talent?
Practice and hard work are real and always the way to go. But that doesnt mean there are no people with talent.
Personal insults and assumptions stemming from your anger will get you nowhere son. Relax. Breaaaathhh
>>321974273
Best way to actually get good is getting off of /v/
>>321998523
/thread
>>321998464
>Whats funny is that alot of what you said in your ragey post can be attributed to talent and not things you learn 100% from practice lol.
No? Outhinking your opponent isn't attributable to talent, it's attributable to intelligence, perception and experience. Performing under mental and physical pressure is almost entirely experience. Adaptability is about experience and knowledge as well. All of these things can be learned by thoroughly analyzing your wins and losses, none of them require a particular talent to become a high to top level player.
>>321998917
>Outhinking your opponent isn't attributable to talent
Someone can have a talent for yomi. You're retarded.
>>321999143
I have provided plenty of reasons why you're wrong, all you can do is say "muh talent is real" without backing up anything with actual evidence or arguments. We're done here.
>>321999645
I'm not whoever you were arguing with, so yes, it's probably safe to say you're done here.
>>321999143
Yeah, because they developed that talent from intelligence, perception, and experience.
>>321999945
>developed that talent
You're equivocating. I'm referring to talent as an inborn affinity for a skill, not the skill itself.
>>322000170
And how do you tell the difference between the two?
>>321983436
even though I think innate talent plays a part in expertise, I agree with you that 98% of the population GROSSLY overestimates how much of a role it plays. your guitar example is so preponderant, it's silly.
persistence and the need to improve at something you really fucking enjoy is severely underrated, unfortunately. and it has the ability, almost every time, to surpass someone with talent but average drive.
there is, of course, a spectrum that activities can fall under. esports would probably be closer to one side (the average person can excel with sincere, perfect practice) while real sports would be closer to the other (there really is a selection pressure for genetic freaks of nature with innate abilities).
>>321983857
I have your answer above. it's the drive to succeed, and this can fall both ways - either overdeveloped will and determination or an (almost literally) autistic drive for repetitive behavior/analysis/improvement, with the same end result. you're correct in saying talent exists, but the anon you're arguing with is also correct in suggesting that its importance is overinflated by people in the vast majority of cases.
>>322000793
Is that a serious question?
Sense one: "Wow, Billy, you only just started playing baseball last week and you can throw a 96 MPH fastball! You really have talent!"
Sense two: "Yes, I have a hidden talent. I can sing!"
Sense one is an affinity for a skill, sense two is a skill itself.
You have an affinity for being retarded.
>>321982485
>Thought process is a part of natural skill
This is some next level denial
>>322001159
We're not talking about baseball or singing. We're talking about fighting games.
Also, that just means Billy didn't skip masturbating day.
>>321987682
>talent itself - doesn't.
You are actually pretty retarded if you believe that. Anything to make yourself fell good about your miserable life, I guess.
>>321979587
How did Capcom manage to fuck up Karin so much. Her model looks like hot garbage.
>>322002065
>fell
what are ky's bread and butters in xrd
>>322003762
saw the typo reply coming from a mile away
stay pathetic
>>322004946
ok.
stay happy thinking that other people are better than you cause of some miracle perk they got born with.
magical little world
>>322002230
i dont think so senpai.
Her face is still being tweaked, but her body is slamming.
>>322004108
Same as in #R
>>322004108
Chain some normals into sweep or 236K. Put a charged fireball on their heads and go to town.
If your opponent can't block overheads do 214K 5S 2H j.K j.S dj.K j.S j.623H.
Do far 5.S into fireball midscreen to make it look like you know footsies or repeatedly in the corner if your opponent can't IB/blitz.
>>322005263
>shitty blazer that gives her man shoulders and super wide arms at the end
>5 different things coming out of the front of the blazer that makes it look like a mess
>wearing heels in a fight
>shit looking spaghetti hair
Nah bro, the only thing good about this redesign is the skirt+leggings. Everything else is bad.
>>322006527
Not to mention Capcom literally copied Lili animations from SFxT, altered them a tiny bit, and gave them to Karin.
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