>introduce a fun, skill-based alternative to deagle
>people whine because they're getting rekt by $850 awp
>nerf it to a point where no one even uses it anymore, since deagle is much more versatile and powerful than r8 in all situations
how retarded of a game dev do you have to be? Why not just remove secondary fire mode which used to shut down full-buy rushes in close quarters, and actually make it worthwile by giving it the left-click one-shot-stomach-kill, instead of making it a deagle that has a shot delay? They could even nerf its moving accuracy, which is a good point, but for god's sake, bring back the damage
Dont you have some skins to sell on the market?
Because CS is a game played by brainless idiots, who reject anything slightly new to the game. That's why it's been the same thing for the last 20 years, and meta game comes down to awp camping.
>one shot pistol
alright, as long as it's only close ran-
>at all ranges
hookay, but it only has six bu-
>lol eight bullets
now I'm triggered
>>321869484
Just play Siege, the bullets go where you aim, crazy I know.
>>321869484
I think they could just lower the piercing, like, killing 3 enemys with a single shot is too much.
>>321869952
>Just play Siege, the bullets go where you aim, crazy I know.
You do realise you need to stand still to get an accurate shot, right?
>>321870271
Sure but the spread is much tighter when moving in Siege compared to CS:GO where moving gives you the spread of a blunderbuss.
>>321870734
And that's why siege is less skill based.
>>321870131
That's a good idea too.
What CS:GO devs apparently do not realize, is that with reduced damage the gun is simply worse than the deagle. You can't spray R8 on mid range like the deagle with success (even when standing still, R8 spray bullets are pure RNG and half of them blast into the sky far to the right or left, which is why it's effective only at close range).
The only thing that makes R8 better than the deagle is moving accuracy, and that's hardly an advantage, since going out in the open waiting for the hammer to hit equals instant death on higher ranks.
>Just peek out of cover then, and time your shots
I can do that with the deagle and achieve exactly the same result, except I don't have to time my shots with the hammer falling
>>321870995
Why? because when you are moving and actually aiming at someones head you get the kill where as in GO you could be aiming at their feet while moving and get a headshot?
>>321869923
anon i just wan-
>something else
this is a retarded way of typ
>something else
playing CSGO
lol
>>321871220
>blind spray as soon as you see someone
>same as having to position yourself in an appropirate way
>same as having to hit a very small target in a fraction of a second
>same as having to avoiding fire, while at the same time stopping to take a shot
Yeah, siege is for sure more skill based.
>>321871207
>since going out in the open waiting for the hammer to hit equals instant death on higher ranks
not to mention if you can't hit a running headshot you're dead anyways because of nerfed damage
>>321869484
Whats the point of any weapon in CS:GO?
You can buy 2 pistols that are relevant
You can buy 2 SMGs that are relevant
You can buy 2 Assault rifles that are relevant
You can buy 1 Sniper that is relevant
Why the game has more then say Call of Duty 2 in terms of weapons is beyond me.
It has like 30ish weapons and 7 are viable.
And it's been like this FOREVER.
>actually taking css 2.0 seriously after laser-colt and 1hs automatic armour piercing pistol additions, wallbang update, smg buff, awp nerf, and the majority of the game components not touched since that are inferior mechanically to previous iterations
>>321871776
What's wrong with that?
is the only reason people hate CSGO the very minor random spread?
The random spread will only affect you maybe 1 in 10 games to a degree where you maybe would've won one duel that you lost.
>>321871541
How is it a blind spray? You have to aim at the head if you want to hit the head, whilst in Counter Strike you shoot at the feet and get a headshot.
>>321871818
I don't get it. Whare you complaing about?
>>321871870
>very minor random spread
>very minor
>>321869484
>skill-based
wew
>>321871842
Counterstrike is marketed as a competitive game. If 70% of your guns are useless because lolbalance it dents your credibility as a suitable competitive environment. Same reason why people laugh at TF2 6s and why highlander is a vastly more popular gamemode.
>>321871842
Why are the other guns even there? Remove them.
They're pretending like they're relevant even making skins and shit for them, NO ONE USES THEM.
>>321871972
>>321871915
You need to controll the recoil in CS. Even silvers know this. It's a part of the game. It's not realistic, no, but it's a game. It takes skill to controll.
In games like siege you just shoot whore your sights are and you never miss. It takes less skill. Best player and the worst player can hit the same shots without practicing. It has less depth because of this.
>>321871541
Siege
>walking down hallway
>enemy walks out
>ads aim at head
>fire = headshot
GO
>walking
>crosshair the size of the screen
>guy jumps out behind wall
>both start wildly firing
>random headshot
Bravo
>>321872096
>>321872129
Why should all guns be viable though? Cheaper guns are not as good. It's how the game works.
>>321872194
>random headshot
Is this what shitters believe? A good player would headshot you in less than a second every single time he had a clear shot. There is nothing random about it. If you can't aim that's your fault.
You can learn the aim system in siege in literally 30 mins. CS spray takes like 500 hours to perfect.
>>321871776
I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
>You can buy 2 pistols that are relevant
57 and Tec-9 are both godlike but CZ and p250 follow them suit, both having their advantages and seeing use all the time.
>You can buy 2 SMGs that are relevant
I see all SMGs being bought, it's a matter of preference. Personally I only go for Bison on anti-eco rounds, some people are good with Ump hs fishing whereas I've seen others kill 3 cts with one Mac magazine.
>You can buy 2 Assault rifles that are relevant
I literally use Famas more often than M4 (I was LEM at my highest, sadly I forgot how new sales affect CS:GO ranks) and Sig is the 2nd best T rifle.
>You can buy 1 Sniper that is relevant
Every sniper is viable. Even pros aren't shy with Scout/Auto play.
>>321872129
>Why are the other guns even there? Remove them.
Why remove them? You can use all of them. They're all suited for different situations. M4/AK are most versatile though. That's what makes them the best.Why are you so stupid?
>>321872565
>You can learn the aim system in siege in literally 30 mins. CS spray takes like 500 hours to perfect.
It's funny how you flaunt this as if it were a good thing.
>>321872129
they are actively trying to make all guns in the game viable. making smgs more accurate while running and giving them higher damage while requiring little skill to do well comparative to other guns. same with the pistols where almost all of the bought ones will one hit to head for a tiny fee while in previous games you had to use the slow firing, low ammo deagle. shotguns as well where obviously you only need some game sense to use it to its optimal potential. all of this promotes a game where skill and risk is lessened, the economy system is marginalised, and the game has less depth but there is more action and less downtime.
>>321872189
No CS player no matter how good knows exactly where every bullet will go on a 30+round spray/burst fire, they will know roughly but it's still impossible to tell. Where as in Siege you have a much better idea of where the bullets are going to go when ads, there for in Siege the action of the player dictates more of the outcome than in GO where you are praying to land the shots to a greater degree. Also this vid shows that even when planted stil, firing one shot at a time, many of the guns in GO aren't even 100% accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
>>321872795
>It's funny how you flaunt this as if it were a good thing.
How is it not a good thing? People who practice get better. Shitters like you cry and suck all your life.
>game takes practice to get better, this means the game sucks
wew lad
>>321872194
>GO
>>walking
>>crosshair the size of the screen
>>guy jumps out behind wall
>>both start wildly firing
>>random headshot
confirmed for bait and never playing CS:GO
>default crosshair
>>321872096
no gun except for m249 (which is a meme/bm weapon) is useless. Literally every gun in the game has a point to it. You use SMGs on eco rounds, you use shotguns on close quarters eco for cashing in $900 kill reward, you use different pistols for different playstyles, you use different snipers for different playstyles. I actually prefer scout to AWP because of it's godlike mobility. Hell, even Negev (if you're ahead and have 16k to spare) is fantastic in holding B sites.
M4 and AK are the most popular in the game because of how versatile and useful in all situations they are. FAMAS and Galil are cheaper than their respective better stat rifles, but they still have that armor penetration you need to breeze through enemy full buy rounds.
>>321872934
I love it when complete retards like you who don't even play the game talk as if you know what's going on.
Any good player could spray you down in less than 10 bullets, if you are at reasonable range. There is randomness, but it is nothing skill and controlling your spray won't prevent you from getting the kill.
aw man ITT silver/people who never played competitive discussing game balance, my favourite.
>>321872795
I was actually on your side until you said this. I have no idea where you're going with this now
>>321870995
yeah
like q3a, least skill-based game ever
literally every weapon shots where you aim, what could be easier than that
>>321872971
>How is it not a good thing?
Poor design is never a good thing. Try playing something like Quake where you can perfect the shooting in five minutes, yet it still requires more skill and practice to git gud without imposing gimped mechanics on you.
You faggots need to just play the better shooter. black ops 3
>>321873125
>There is randomness
>but it is nothing skill and controlling your spray won't prevent
Pick one, you can't control for randomness you can only play the odds. Spray patterns don't make a game more skill based it's just a game mechanic put in to allow for the laned maps to work otherwise people would just run round corners and get headshots as quick as those who are well positioned.
Quake has little to no spray patterns but it's not less skill based than GO
>>321869484
Because every other weapon in CSGO does not require skill or aim, instead it requires memorizing spread patterns plus praying the RNG on said patterns goes your way. So when you add a weapon where the bullets actually go where you aim, the spergs chimp out.
The game is laughable in terms of weapon distribution. Every match always ends up being all M4s/AKs and an AWP or two.
>>321872189
>it takes more skill because there's an arbitrary extra element of randomness to account for
I'm so glad we established that Quake requires less skill than GO.
>>321871818
torrent when
>>321873142
>implying anyone who plays actual 5on5 and not retard matchmaking calls it "competitive"
>>321873712
>every other weapon in CSGO does not require skill or aim
>it requires memorizing spread patterns
make up your mind.
or are you actually implying that I can stare into the sky and due to memorizing spread patterns I get to headshot people below me
>>321869754
pretty much
nothing is allowed to be stronger than the M4 or the AK, try to nerf those or buff SMGs and the community goes to reddit with their piotchforks
>>321874215
>he thinks memorization is skillful
>>321869484
>literal AWP for 850 dollars
How is this balance exactly? You have no real reason to buy anything else because it literally became the best gun in the game
>>321874287
You're dumb.
t. Psychology major
>>321874549
>Psychology major
>thinking that means you are smart at all
>not even smart enough to turn off your trip when it's not necessary
>>321871776
>i'm Silver elite: the post
>>321869484
it still is better than that deagle
>>321871207
>You can't spray R8 on mid range like the deagle with success
you can't "spray" deagle at mid range either, if you don't time your shots your accuracy will be miserable
>>321871776
>pistols
all pistols are relevant except for dualies, which are just there for fun
>SMGs
I've seen all of them being used competitively except for the Bizon
>ARs
Scoped ones aren't used pretty much ever, all other are
>snipers
scout is a popular 2nd round/force-buy, AWP is AWP, SCAR is viable
>shotguns
Mag-7 is a popular force buy
>>321869484
>spray 2 shots with deag
>kill
SKILL
like...how..wtf even halo is more competitive
>>321869484
Doesn't R8 still have better range/accuracy than Deagle? If so, it's just moreso a handheld Scout rifle than an AWP now, and good if you can headshoot with pistols.
>>321874287
>he thinks if he memorizes spray patterns in CS:GO he can instantly use that to rek everyone in the game
>not taking different firerates into consideration
>not taking enemy movement into consideration
>not taking your positioning into consideration
>not taking distance into consideration
>not taking crosshair placement into consideration
>all of that is apparently NOT skill
that's valve weapon design for you
>>321874617
I won't remove the items in the name field until you get the correct term. Also, look into memory and muscle. You would know about the topic if you played an instrument (or used a pencil).
>>321874617
>trip
>>321869754
man, nobody would play it if it turned into a shitty cod knockoff
the r8 was OP af and that's all people used, that's why it was nerfed
>>321874763
All of that is arbitrary because while you are sitting there positioning yourself a silver can run up spraying his AK and get a headshot on you because of how the guns work. You don't need to aim in CSGO, you just need to know which gun makes a seven, which gun makes a S, etc.
>it is almost 2016 and csgo still doesn't have an MP5 of any kind
muh aesthetic
>>321874882
now the r8 is a piece of shit that no one uses
>>321869754
like what the fuck would you want new/changed? it wouldn't be cs anymore if they changed it
>>321874942
>You don't need to aim in CSGO
yes because aiming a specific point counted from your crosshair and depending on range at the enemy is much easier than just aiming at the enemy
>>321874834
The way you talk already tells me you're sitting at your desk with a fedora and probably vaping too.
Reddit's the other way, Sonygger
>>321874882
>nobody would play it
Now that, my friend, is music to my ears.
>played demo, casual for a while.
>try out comp with friend
> 4 placement games so far
>Day 1, Games 1+2 were against SEM's
>both rounds got at least 35 kills, most MVP's and aced with a 5-7 on the last round
>Day 2, Games 3 + 4 were against GN2, GN3, and GNM's
>Do decent. Still topfrag with most MVP's
Will I go up against DMG's later today when my cooldown ends?
>>321874942
>a silver can run up spraying his AK and get a headshot on you because of how the guns work
confirmed for never playing the game.
Find a server, run at me spraying AK and I'll try my best not to 16-0 you in 3 minutes.
>>321875045
if you want cs play 1.6
the idea with modern video games on modern digital distribution platforms is that you can update them frequently with ease, so developers should make use of that ability
>>321875002
It almost did. Here's the model from the files.
SCAR assault rifle from L4D2 almost did too.
>>321875098
uhh meant MG1
>>321875057
My Blu e-cig died months ago and I haven't quit smoking 2 packs a week since 2011. Try harder.You're the exact kind of shitposter that keeps from posting again. Been lurking here since 2007 and it pretty much stays that way.
>>321875160
the idea of CS GO is being a CS game with better graphics and some quality-of-life improvements, not some kind of realistic tactical action game
>>321875207
ugly handguard
>>321875295
Then don't post. It would be better.
>>321875031
>one gun nobody uses vs one gun everybody uses
pick one
>>321874763
strategy and skill are different things
GO has a lot of strategy but little skill due to how gimped the shooting mechanics are in order to stop the maps promoting insta headshot shitfests. This isn't a bad thing neccesarily but individual skill plays less of a role than team coordination.
>The sheer amount of silvers ITT
>>321875295
>shitting on anyone when you go around with your PS4 tag as your name and try to cite your Psych major to say "hurr I'm so much smarter than everyone here"
Go back to lurking, please.
>>321875341
It wouldn't change the fact that your tertiary posting ass is still on the boards.
>>>/facebook/
>not playing zombie escape - the only actually fun gamemode
plebs
>>321875425
>changing your name because you were being a dumbass with their PS4 tag
>oblivious to the fact that you are the cancer
You're making this easy for me. Thank you for being another prime example that namefags are the worst.
>>321875031
did you die? I seriously want to know what you're after and why you think its such a big deal that a gun is in there that's never used?
you make it sound like such a big deal when compared to everyone using it. It's like you're stupid or something
>>321875423
>actually thinking that the word psychology in psychology major makes a person smarter
You'd probably think the same of someone who would say the same things and announced they were a biology major.
If you can't into learning about the body, then your underage is still showing. If it makes a difference, I was a chem major for 2 years and no, I didn't quit because it was tough. I quit because I never studied. I doubt I'll attempt calc 2 for a sixth time only to lose motivation.
>>321875425
They're both as obnoxious as each other, the only difference being that all the tripfags migrated to /vg/ and Oakland is the only namefag of worth because of his extensive knowledge of JAVs.
>>321875629
>this entire post
I'm lazy because I just shoveled a 350ft by 14ft driveway (heavy snow btw), so...EUROPOSTERS, EVERYBODY.
>>321875365
>strategy and skill are different things
GO has a lot of strategy but little skill
>individual skill plays less of a role than team coordination
again, make up your mind
a global elite player will very easily dispose of 4 or even 5 cooperating gold nova 1 players, do you know why?skill difference, that's why ranks exist
and if strategy is not a skill, then I don't know what is
from what you're saying everyone is a CS:GO mastermind, which i assure you is untrue
how are you so dense?
>>321875646
because R8 was fun as fuck and now it's USELESS
CS:GO IS A GAME ABOUT GUNS, I DON'T KNOW WHY DO I EVEN HAVE TO SAY THAT
WHY INTRODUCE GUNS THAT ARE USELESS IF THE DEVS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BALANCE THE GAME AND MAKE ALL GUNS USEFUL IN SOME WAY
R8 IS FUCKING U-S-E-L-E-S-S, THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON TO USE IT OVER DEAGLE
PREVIOUSLY EVERYONE USED R8 WHEN IT WAS OP
DON'T YOU SEE THAT ALL PEOPLE PLAYING ONE GUN WHEN YOU HAVE TWO TO CHOOSE FROM IS A FUCKING DISGRACE TO A COMPETITIVE MULTIPLAYER GAME AND AN OBVIOUS BALANCE ISSUE?
>>321869484
>people whine because they're getting rekt by $850 awp
What is the point of every other gun apart from the AWP since everything is worse and more expensive?
Go cry because the gun skins you were trying to flog are now worth far less.
>>321875207
aside from the handguard that looks lovely
why valve
>>321875852
>a global elite player will very easily dispose of 4 or even 5 cooperating gold nova 1 players
lol no, unless he sneaks around and takes them out one by one without them firing back however a straight up fight or close to one he will lose, take Quake tho, a great player will be able to dart around and land good shots quickly.
>>321871972
that the game changed an little bit, typical cs fag
>>321873000
trips confirm
CSGO needs better balance
people only buy shotguns as a joke to cheese a few kills in a single round
machine guns are for warmups
heavy weapons are useless and nobody ever seriously buys them
>>321869484
I still use it because revolvers are cool
It's not I'm good in the first place, so it doesn't really matter in the long run.
>>321876159
you haven't seen how gn1 players play
I'm low skilled, I've been there. Firefights can last forever, with both parties emptying their primary and secondary mags and switching to knives.GN1 players don't know stutter step etc.
>>321876372
I want a game that gets shotguns right and actually have some accuracy to them. Not cheese spray blunderbusses that only work when you are in the enemy's face. I know it's usually for balance reasons but they can find other ways to balance it instead of simply making it useless.
>>321876159
>however a straight up fight
this is a tactical shooter game, not a "put tanks against each other and see if the side with more tanks wins"
he will take them out one by one by shoulderbaiting, sidestep shooting in and out of cover, meaningful use of grenades and positioning
he will win because low SKILL players will not do what he does, they will stay in the open, wont sidestep, wont position their crosshair appropriately
they could rush him with p90s and he would still have a good chance because SKILLED players know how to popflash and in close range 30 AK bullets are more than enough for an ace
>>321876484
ArmA 3
>>321876484
>>321876372
Shotguns aren't actually too bad. Problem is people treat them like shotguns. Key to using shotguns is to treat them like deagles, except you want to aim somewhere between the nipple/neck area. At one point i was getting consistent kills against armored opponents with the nova like this, I shit you not.
>>321876475
>stutter step
Jesus don't remind me how how retarded CS is.
>lol walk out then hit opposite direction then try n grab a hit on enemy and hope for no RNG even when you hit the sweet spot (yes theres even rng on standing still shots)
CSGO shooting mechanics are the least intuitive of any game ive ever played.
>>321876867
that's because it's a game and not real life
How bad would it be if they added pic related to the game? If I remember correctly it's currently being used by various armed forces and not accessible to civilians, so it's a weapon that would make sense to have in the game, so it got me wondering.
>>321876867
it's not any less gamey/unintuitive than strafe-jumping in Q3 which you probably jerk off too as "advanced movement technique"
but it's okay because Q3 is literally perfect, right?
>>321876591
>rush p90's
>admit they have a chance against a high level player
kek your game is shit
>>321876597
anon please
there are no shotguns in arma without mods don't listen to this man
>>321877021
Sorry just too used to playing ArmA 3 with mods
>>321876991
Worthy of surpassing Negev and autos in Meme-worthiness.Would spend $150 on a skin.
>>321876991
Its just the XM with more bullets and faster reloading, by the time the xm runs out of shells you or the enemy is dead
>>321872971
>bringing up shitters
>when you are playing the proto-cod
>a game that is popular because it babified every aspect of the FPS genre and its subgenres
LOL
>>321877113
i don't blame youit's not like the game's very good without them
>no one but slavs play 1.6 anymore
It makes me sad, there's hardly any servers in Australia. Last time I looked there was only 3 that had actual players.
>>321876991
Mite b cool if it was priced like an MG. But it'd be like the P90 I'm pretty sure, run'n spray
>>321877019
>be a colossal world power with fuckhuge armed forces and resources
>wage a war against a cold shitty country with a handful of hunters and nothing else
>get absolutely buttblasted
kek your country is shit and because of this one meaningless instance its whole history and impact on the world is rendered meaningless
>>321875594
>CSGO was just released
>Tasers one shot zombies along with the fucking Negev never running out of ammo
that was a fun time
>dad plays css back in 2005
>he either buys the p90 or the xm1014 constantly and would charge in gung ho and always get a few kills
good ol' dad
>>321876991
would be nerfed to the ground until it was only a joke weapon because muh skillful game
can't have anything worth buying but the AK, M4 and AWP
>>321877558
the update that added the revolver also nerfed M4 and AK (and all pistols) severely
there was an outcry and it was reverted
>>321869484
>>321869923
They shot themselves in the foot with the design. It's based on a real-life revolver, so no matter what it has to have 8 shots. This is unacceptable for a hand cannon.
Giving it more shots than the Deagle, along with an option to fire it quickly at the expense of accuracy (you know, like semiautomatics), means it will forever be either an OP Deagle or a nerfed Deagle. It needed to be a pocket awp to justify its existence, but it also needed nerfs in every other department so that it didn't horn in on the Deagle's niche.
Pic related is an absurdly powerful single-action revolver with 5 shots, priced at around $1,100. If balance was a concern, they should have just looked to real life.
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>>321877623
>an outcry because the game changed for the first time in 20 years
As predicted.
>>321876597
that game is shit though. They never fixed the bug where AI would walk through walls and shoot people.
>>321876991
I'll do you one better.
>>321878031
That shit show of a shotgun made the Kel-tec ksg look flawless.
>>321878031
>not a trenchgun
>>321877680
>tfw fired that thing when I was 15 (with father's help)
>still almost hit me in the face
I still don't know why this thing exists.
>>321869484
>skill-based
Because CS isn't skill-based. It's a lite strategy game with RNG gunplay.
>CSGO
>Competitive
Pick one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
>have $70 worth of cs go items
>its all first crates and bravo crates
>also a 8 dollar holo sticker
should i sell them or keep em longer?
>>321875594
I swear the GFL server is always filled up to the top 24/7.
>>321877856
there was an outcry because the devs were retarded with the changes
they wanted to encourage tap shooting by increasing recoil reset time
they didn't really think it through because it made tap shooting worse as well
>>321878135
looked alright in the hickok video
How this video hasn't brought down the CS house of cards is beyond me.
>>321878886
>it worked for an hour once, so it must not be a pile of shit long term.
>>321878792
If you keep them until you're 70 the price might go up to $500 but I don't think anyone will have bought those cases by then
>>321873000
>m249
>worthless
Say that to my face fucker not at T spawn and see what happens.
Its like a 100 bullet m4 if you git gud
>>321878031
>twice the barrels
>twice the receivers
so practical, who cares about mass lol
>>321871776
>Pistols
p250, CZ, Tec/Fiveseven, Deagle -- all relevant. Glock/USP/p2000 are relevant as starter weapons. The only irrelevant pistol is the dualies.
>You can buy 2 SMGs that are relevant
All SMGs are relevant except, arguably, the UMP.
TEC/MP9 -- cheap as fuck anti-eco, score lots of money for low investment.
MP7 -- Viable at longer ranges, decent damage, good submachinegun for anti-eco in larger maps
P90 -- Destroys everything, viable even in non-anti-eco rounds.
>ARs
All are relevant except for SG and AUG which are on the other hand useful for newbies getting into the game.
>Snipers
All are relevant.
The running accuracy of the R8 prenerf made any retard holding a common angle fucking dead.
>>321879552
You forgot Bizon when talking about SMGs. Which is not surprising!
>Snipers
T auto is pretty much irrelevant except for stuff like shooting through double doors on D2 on the last round in the half. Auto doesn't really make that much sense as a T - it's not the best offensive gun and if you lose it well grats, you've just given CTs a great defensive weapon they can use to shut down a zone.
>>321878792
Wait until the playerbase starts to decline.
Also try if the TBS league flops.
>>321879437
except that Negev is only $500 more and far better than m249 which is $2100 more than M4. M4 is much more reliable and you're much more mobile with it, not to mention you can spend those $2100 much better
>>321879552
You're a dumb nigger if you think the mp7 is good at long ranges compared to the ump.
Hell, no smg is viable at long ranges going by hard stats.
>>321879552
>except the UMP
nigger it's only the single most useful SMG that's not P90. Cheap as fuck, accurate as fuck, kill bonus, highest damage of all SMGs. It's firerate is pretty low but that's about the only downside.
>>321873595
Yet people who learned how to control their recoil are a lot better at the game than people who aren't.
>>321879552
I really struggle picking headshots long range with the ak, with the sg I can pretty much solo B sites with a smoke now
Guys quick question
I want to play 1.6 again
Except that when I try to buy it in steam store, it says I'm buying Condition Zero
Does 1.6 come with Condition Zero as a separate game or something?
>>321880260
Ak isn't 100% accurate standing still at mid/long range
>>321880442
you get two games
>>321878559
Kek no one even tried to defend GO's honor against this post.
It's all over.
i think you guys need to calm your tits, the game's still good
/thread
>>321880442
and it'll use CZ's model by default do you'll have to go get the OG 1.6 models from a 3rd party source
PP-Bizon and P250 are the best guns.
>>321881442
Because people play Counter Strike not Theory Strike.
>>321883202
>Your kills are random
That's not a theory, that's a fact
>>321883908
Controlled risk management is one of the most advanced mechanics a game can introduce, as it separates primitive muscle memory exercises from problems that require actual thinking, and it is pretty much impossible without a random element.
>>321884927
This.
You're not really supposed to one-shot people across the map. That's what the AWP is for. And at these short "unreliable" ranges the video is talking about, you will be bursting or even spraying, so the person with better recoil control will win over the RNG and the other player.
Aim can only get you so far in CS and that's ok. Gamesense, tactics and strategy are equally important. The reason you think CS is even supposed to be about immense individual skill is dumb fragvideos and squeakers. The game is marketed as a cooperation based shooter and back when it first surfaced, that's what made it so popular.
>>321884927
>>321885432
>Controlled risk management
That's a roundabout way of saying gambling. Two people could perform the exact same action, in the exact same circumstances and one is rewarded with a kill the other isn't, this is meant to be a fair competitive game not poker. No you aren't supposed to get a kill with an AK across the map that's why it doesn't have a scope but if you aim at something you should hit it, give it less damage whatever, even with all this the gun still isn't accurate at relatively small distances anyway.
>>321869484
dirty bomb has been better at being counter strike than CSGO for the past year or so.
it's like they took all the fun and gave it to DB
>>321886064
that's fine
but they should change the name of this game, because it's not really Counter Strike anymore.
I really just wanted deagle 2.0 with fantastic animations.
Instead I got a gimmicky unbalanced gun which was overpowered on release and is subpar now.
It shut down the csgo community for a couple days with how badly it was implemented, but I still think the rifle nerfs were more destructive.
>>321886064
>1.x-1.6 - you can kill with an ak from across the map
>source - you can kill with an ak from across the map
>global operations - it doesn't have a scope so it sucks from more than a five foot range, hey did you buy some keys yet? how about now?
>>321886064
>Two people could perform the exact same action, in the exact same circumstances and one is rewarded with a kill the other isn't, this is meant to be a fair competitive game not poker.
That's the thing, two people are never performing the same action. You know your gun isn't entirely accurate, so in comes the skill of positioning. You try to close distance. You throw flashbangs and smokes, you time your team's actions so that you're all positioned advantageously.
>No you aren't supposed to get a kill with an AK across the map that's why it doesn't have a scope but if you aim at something you should hit it, give it less damage whatever, even with all this the gun still isn't accurate at relatively small distances anyway.
That's why you burst instead. Two-tapping an AK is a thing, even moreso with the M4. You introduce significant damage falloff instead of RNG inaccuracy at range and you're giving an advantage to terrorists because they can just rush and shrug off damage given at range by CTs.
>DMG
>Deranked due to playing with shitty friends after a long period of inactivity
>Eventually stuck in silver
I can only carry these retards so hard, how do I get out of this shit?
>>321886524
>>1.x-1.6 - you can kill with an ak from across the map
Dude, please stop spouting bullshit. AK was equally inaccurate in 1.6, perhaps even worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51xQ7pp5JM
Since icefrog works for Valve now, why don't they just hand him the reins and let him balance csgo? He'd nerf the fuck out of the rifles in his first patch, and create an interesting new meta for sure.
>>321886890
no it was pretty accurate, nothing like the joke it is now.
they ruined this game with bullshit.
>>321887190
Yeah, the CS community is definitely in the mood for a perpetually unbalanced game which maintains the audience's interest by being completely changed every few months to the point where constantly reading mile-long patch notes is necessary even for the casual player.
FPS gamers in general value direct input over arbitrary nonsense. You push that crap any further than CS:GO's RNG and it starts becoming a MOBA, a quasi-game.
>>321887342
Why don't you watch this video as literal proof of your bullshit.
Also, spraying was more difficult in 1.6 where it's a lot more forgiving in GO.
AK is literally more accurate in GO as a result. What you're saying is the complete opposite of the truth, yet you keep repeating it. Play the game instead of just talking about it, you sound like a typical know-it-all curmudgeon.
