He's a floaty with fast fall speed, he's got a versatile projectile, the strongest fsmash in the game he's royalty and hes pretty adorable.
Why doesn't the King get more love.
Also Smash thread, post your gifs, webms and mains.
>roommates normie gf comes over while we're playing 2v2
>ask what's a christmas duck doing in the game
>we just start calling him christmas duck
>>321790541
>Christmas duck
excuse me?
>>321790541
>>321790903
Penguins are pretty much Christmas ducks.
>TFW finally fucking good
>No projectile
God damn it
>>321790903
I also thought it was something related to christmas :)
I will call him Christmas Duck too
>a versatile projectile
Or as I like to refer to it, "Fuck it, throw a Gordo."
wasn't dedede stated to be an eagle in one of the kirby game's manuals
he's got the beak that looks closer to that than a penguin
He's a super dank character in Project M, very polarizing matchups, Waddle Dashing, good off-stage game and so on
In Brawl he's a bit of a one-trick pony with the chain-grabs, and in Tr4sh most of the Dedede's I've seen effectively boil down to abuse of the d-tilt, f-tilt, and Gordo's. I still enjoy playing as him in both of those games but he feels like a bit of a broken record compared to in PM.
>>321791370
Take PM dedede and tack on Smash 4's down tilt and we're set
>>321790903
I guess cause of the santa-esque outfit.
I still think it's funny
DDD is fat and therefore gets fucked by MK and other combo oriented characters. :(
>>321791591
>Not inhaling them when they get close
>not pushing them away with f-tilt
>not zoning them out with Gordos while you prepare your Down B
>>321790240
He's bad because his OoS options are REALLY, REALLY bad. A Sheik who keeps F-airing his shield can render him beyond helpless. If they sped up N-air, or gave U-smash some invuln, or just gave him some sort of escape option, he'd be much better in 1v1.
Once he's forced to defend up close, he has zero options to regain momentum outside of a lucky sheild-grab.
>>321791496
That would be fantastic, I could never get use to DDD's old dtilt when I replay PM after playing Sm4sh. His new one is so good.
Since day 1 of 3DS
>>321790240
>DeDeDe's good.
SURELY YA JESTIN'
>>321791871
I think he needs some armor on his moves like PM gave him or some faster air speed. You think with all his jumps he'd be quicker in the air.
>>321791871
>f they sped up N-air
Be grateful, I main Donkey Kong.
>>321791496
More like
>PM Dedede
>Smash 4's d-tilt
>Brawl's chain-grabs against faster fallers, or at least better tech-chase grabs
>Some kind of ability to "store" the random Gordo's to use later on, like how Luigi can save his misfires in PM
>>321790541
that's really cute anon
>>321792117
You have cargo throw combos though.
I actually have trouble with a good DDD
Any tips? Ryu main
>>321791894
his dedede's hammer mech worth a shit? did PM do anything to make it better?
>>321791370
inb4 "PM is a mod, not a game"
literally who cares
>most people aren't posting webms and gifs cuz they realize no smash 4 character have exciting combos
just play melee instead
>>321792117
You have workable defensive options, though. B-air is fast, grounded Up-B is armored, and instant-air Up-B to ledge is an option too. D3's OoS options are faaar worse.
That said, I should check my high-tier privilege anyways since I mainMK
>>321791915
My nigga
>>321792329
More KO potential, light armor when charging, comes out slightly quicker and gives a momentum boost when you swing. All around improved.
>>321792459
why the fuck are meleefags always trying to start some war? We get it. You like like melee.
>>321792459
It's a Smash thread friend all the games are welcome.
>>321791370
I've recently played Brawl again and actually managed to chaingrab someone with dthrow on the first try but I could never do it in PM, is it just not possible?
What is Dedede supposed to do if he gets a grab at low percent?
DDD a shit
>>321792459
smash 4's overall design and match pacing suck but it's holding some great characters hostage
i like melee's base design but all of the characters i'm drawn to are fucking horrific in that game
an SD remix that isn't afraid of getting a little touchy with the top tiers and trimming some of their bullshit (but improving some of their really shitty moves) would be great
Anyone else main this smooth son of a bitch?
>>321792737
shit player != shit character
>>321790541
DELETE THIS
>>321792317
Swat his Gordo back at him, as long as the attack does 2% or more, it'll knock back at him. I usually use reverse DK uptilt, since the hit box comes out on frame 5-11, so there is some leeway. Look at Ryu's frame data, and see which of his attacks come out quick, linger, and have a good hitbox. http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Ryu
>>321792534
I despise Luigi's mansion edges, fuck that shit.
>>321792737
that's what you get for trying to close out a stock through offstage play in Nobody Dies Brothers
>>321790240
Big is bad in smash bros.
>>321793085
He brainlessly threw out a poorly placed dair and then fucked up his recovery after wasting all but one air jump. He deserved to die no matter what, the Final Cutter hit changed nothing.
dedede is one of my mains in sm4sh, hes fun as fuck
>>321792630
Both sides do it. Just ignore it.
>>321793110
Donkey and Bowser are passable in Smash 4, likely both slotting mid tier
granted they both have a fucking insane combo/kill confirm off a grab that single-handedly hoisted them from a low-tier position or worse, but still
>>321793085
It was a valid attempt, he was stupid to choose to fast fall+dair, fast fall+bair would've hit, kirby didn't bother to air dodge. He also didn't ledge cancel his up special
>>321793382
That's a lie. Smash 4 players couldn't give less of a shit about Melee but whenever people talk about Smash 4, some mad Meleefags comes in and starts shitting on the game.
>>321793475
Holy shit, that suicide DI
I hope you realize that you are only beating up the most horrible of players.
>>321793272
As a DK main, this makes me sad, bair has a lingering hitbox, and most people hug the stage, and DON'T FAST FALL + USE AN AERIAL WITH A HORRIBLE FAF ON A CHARACTER WITH NO VERTICAL RECOVERY
>>321792731
Depending on the throw, the percent and the DI, you can either put them into a tech chase situation (and probably ensure another grab anyway, on account of his ridiculous jump-cancelled grab distance), get a cheap follow up move, or get them off the edge. If you're close to an edge and you grab someone like Fox or Marth, you can still probably maximize the potential of that grab even at as low as 20% and turn it into a few off-stage fairs to a kill.
I'm not great with the terminology, but basically there's still a shit ton you can do from a low-percent grab with Dedede in PM - it's just not as 'one-dimensional' as in Brawl, so to speak.
>>321793507
fucking this x100. I NEVER see Smash 4 players say jack shit about Melee until some meleefag finds the thread and feels the compulsive need to start shit.
>>321793646
Is his up throw worth using at all or is it the worst choice in every situation?
Would anyone be interested in a tourney?
If at least 4 people agree we can set one up.
>>321792834
He's probably my best character
I like to play as most of the heavies
>>321793639
I know
Doesn't make it any less fun when those things happen
>>321793926
yes, set one up
>>321793926
Just start a thread with the tourney in the title, people will join if they're interested, and if they're intersted they'll bump the thread themselves.
>>321791915
>image.jpg
>i, mage
>>321794138
>>321794106
I've never set one up, which rules do it set?
>>321793793
I haven't played Project M in a good 3 months so forgive me if my knowledge is rusty, but down-throw goes into an easy tech chase, if they tech in place you can regrab, if they tech-roll you can risk chasing them or, if their roll distance is short enough, go for a f-tilt i believe. Forward and back throw are both obvious options for trying to take the opponent off-stage. But yes, personally, I don't find there to be much use in the Up-throw, except obviously for mix-ups, since the opponent, if they know Dedede well, will assume you're not going for the up-throw and rarely DI accordingly
>>321794368
Alright, thanks dude. I don't play PM that much either but I want to play able to do at least some things if I play it once in a while.
>>321792737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDhwD0bges
>>321794251
Your choice, but from the previous tournaments:
Items Low/Disabled, Miis Allowed, Three Stock, Stage Selection On, Based on Points and Not Wins
>>321794648
Ok, ill make a tourney thread give me a moment
>>321794523
>>321794012
I take back what I said, this is absolutely hilarious.
I made one too but the size is too big and I can't be arsed to start over.
gfycat com/SlightAgonizingArcticseal
>>321794648
>Items Low/Disabled,
Dropped.
>>321792843
Nice
>Dedede thread
>No Project M webms
absolutely haram
why are there so few/none anywhere? I'll get to work making some from 3.5 vids I can find
It feels dirty to use his ftilt
>>321791915
Robin is probably the second most annoying character to play against, right next to sonic
>>321795021
I'm curious who would you say is the best PM DDD player.
>>321795421
>Using DAir
>Ever
>Waiting to UpB
How stupid.
On my phone, so I can't post webms.
I do have a YouTube clip though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WYLpb7jUU98
>>321795649
wat how?
character traits don't matter that much in a noncompetitive game
>>321795246
Fly Amanita is a good one, as is Vanity Angel in the UK. I don't know if either of them could be considered the "best" PM Dedede, because so few people play Dedede, and the PM scene is spread out pretty strangely compared to the Melee and Tr4sh scenes.
Dedede doesn't tend to take a whole lot of top spots at tournaments in spite of his qualities, so I'd say nobody has even come close to touching his actual potential yet.
>>321795918
Thoughts on Ripple?
>>321792834
Was thinking of picking him up again. Is it worth it? Is my nigg still good?
>tfw you land the lightning kick
>>321796292
Debatably 2nd best heavy in the game. Second only to Wario.
>>321796068
Haven't watched a whole lot of his matches, but he seems solid to me. Pretty similar play to a lot of higher-level Dedede players. He seems to deal with pressure better than a lot of Dedede's I've played in person, although he's a bit overly opportunistic with the forward Smash (all Dedede's seem to be, for some reason).
Also he looks kind of similar to me. I guess Dedede has a type?
>>321790240
>he's royalty
Self proclaimed royalty.
>>321793507
>>321793697
I play Smash 4, and Sm4sh players also shit up threads, get off your high horse
>>321796561
I may go back to him, he did save me in a tournament.
Same reason why the bottom half are in the bottom half
Frame data
Why isn't anyone maining this top tier fighter right here
>The master of floatyness
>The only fighter that dares to be light, while being big
>Dat D-Smash that is feared by all
When are you all going to accept that Mewtwo is a force not to be mess with, and when you face one, just give up and lose.
>Cloud Players
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/x4DyBaO.png "latest[1].png")
who /DORF/ here?
>>321794648
>Items Low/Disabled
Actually, it's either no items or only Smash Balls allowed.
>>321797072
jedi marth was the shit
>>321796974
>Abusing a glaring weakness
Outplayed!
>>321793272
How do I get better at edge guarding?
Why I try to practice with bots they behave really predictably (They always just beeline straight for the edge and don't even bother trying to dodge half the time)
And when I try to practice against real people I always just end up killing myself like an idiot
>>321796957
Anyone wanna play doubles
Id Prof.SouL
>>321797072
Looks like the hitbox and hurtbox would've just barely made contact the frame after this one and before yours (which was cut because of a 30 FPS WebM) and some pretty serious smash DI is making it look weird.
>>321796209
>mfw im that falco
>>321796968
>Dat D-Smash that is feared by all
Real talk
Who bight idea was it to give Mewtwo the worst down smash in the game.
>it only kills around 120%
>It doesn't cover shit, or punish rolls
>Its a tiny ass hitbox on the ground, that comes out real slow
They must really hate Mewtwo, to make him this awful.
Hell, all his Smash attacks are awful.
>Side Smash can miss if their too close to you
>Up Smash doesn't hit anything that's as short as Mario
Does Nintendo not have Game Testers?
>>321797257
I love dorf but he has a lot of bad matchups
I get absolutely destroyed by anyone who knows how to dodge his slow as fuck attacks
It usually just ends up with me spamming backairs until something hits, or maybe trying his sideB if I know I can tech them after for easy stocks.
>>321790240
Dedede was overpowered in Brawl. The competative fags got close to 'banning' him. When Smash 4 came out, he was no longer overpowered. So people ignored him.
>>321798178
Well you won the match in the end
No hard feelings
>>321798238
>Dedede was overpowered in Brawl
>competitive fags got close to banning him
D3 wasn't even top 10.
>>321798285
Sometimes winning is more than being the first to take two stocks.
>>321796957
This happened to me once, but with an Ganondorf player.
I wonder what was going on through his mind, was he felling salty over the fact that he technically lost or happy that he won?
At least in my heart, Dedede will always be the best blue bird <3
>>321798205
Don't know if you're still around, but try using mewtwo's up throw when they're at that %. Should be an easy kill.
Who else mains best character?
>>321797629
Cover multiple options
>>321791370
>Not using his ultra dank Nair in Sm4sh
>>321799102
Pacmain and Megamain as well as Villager.
>>321798525
Clearly you weren't there in the early days when chain grabbing was the most used tactic.
Also, this is Smash Fags we're talking about. They aren't smart. And the majority of them just play whatever character won a tournament last. But don't know how to use them correctly. I've beaten tons of these guys with Luigi.
>>321798205
>Hear alot of talk about how bad Ganon and DDD are
>Never hear anything about Mewtwo
Mewtwo has really good B moves, each one useful.
Maybe most Mewtwo players are just bad, Mewtwo can take a hit and keep going.
How is Greninja? I like playing as him but only recently got the game and need to practice more. I never see him discussed in Sm4sh threads.
Any tips? His side B is my favourite move of his but I feel like it is easily telegraphed, is baiting shadow sneak by only walking normally and hitting them with another attack when they think you are sneaking a viable strategy?
I love his Dair too, but I'm too new to kill with it reliably when someone is off the stage and not too familiar with how far you fall until you can recover after using it if you fuck up.
>>321799102
>be Ganondorf main
>Pac uses recovery, I side-Be his ass offstage
>we bounce on his elastic band thing from his recovery
>still free falling while he gets back on the stage
Fuck. Well, I wanted to know what would happen and now I do.
>>321799326
Has bingo done other animations?
Or is just the ones with this chick and some sex slave one
>>321793475
>Dying to a jab
What
>>321794273
>talking shit about Pac-man
You monster
>>321799063
>using mewtwo's up throw when they're at that %
on light and middle weight fighters, yes.
Anything that's near C.Falcon weight takes 130%
Trust me, I know.
FE characters have stronger grab kills then Mewtwo, killing much earlier with their throw.
The only way Mewtwo can kill at 100%, is if they are at the edge of the stage, and you do a back throw.
>>321795778
And I have a webm from the clip.
>>321799735
Damn.
I don't use Pac but he has some great strategies, like when someone throws his neutral B and then picks it back up after hitting you and uses it a number of times.
>>321798758
>None of the characters I wanted to be good are good
>>321799392
He was pretty good at first, but then they just kept nerfing him.
And they took out the most interesting part of him. You used to be able to charge his side-b while doing other actions. Now you cant anymore.
>>321796778
There have been more than a few times I've won because of extended death animations.
>>321796778
>>321803012
I thought in SSB4, star KOs were disabled for the last stock or something like that?
>>321792459
Yeah dude inescapable combos sure are hype
>>321803682
No, only when time is about to run out.
>online players know tree is reflectable and will do it predictably
>chopping animation takes too long to get your pocket ready to catch their refelct
