So I just beat this for the first time.
Holy shit that ending was fucking stupid. Everything else about the game is amazing EXCEPT for the ending. It's like, say what you want about Undertale for being too derivative of the Mother series, but goddamn at least the ending of THAT game had actual substance to it.
So yeah, discuss and/or complain about Mother 3.
Might I ask for a more in depth analysis of the ending from you, OP?
Yeah, can you say exactly what you didn't like? I love that ending
>Everything else about the game is amazing
The forced drama garbage wasn't.
The overdone as fuck environmental message wasn't.
>>321749773
I liked the ending. After the sucker punch that was the final boss, I think the sequence that followed was appropriately melancholy.
Then the credits/postcredits brought it back to optimism.
>>321749773
>but goddamn at least the ending of THAT game had actual substance to it.
You're a fucking moron and people who enjoy Undertale are so fucking stupid that im not even sure if this is bait anymore
Fuck you.
>>321750126
I didn't want to spoil it in the OP so I'll be happy to explain it now.Like I said, there's just no substance to it. Lucas pulls the needle and then the dragon awakens, which literally brings about the apocalypse if we judge from that ending cutscene, and after all that: black "END" screen! That's pretty dumb already, but it wouldn't have been nearly as bad if it weren't for the dialogue when you're able to move the text. Everyone is just magically a-okay with zero fucking explanation whatsoever. It's deus ex machina at the absolute worst.
And I know Itoi likes to have his games interpreted in different ways or whatever, but fuck that. To me, this ending was just really fucking lazy.
>>321750386
It's not bait, anon. I absolutely, sincerely think this.
>>321750605
Lucas pulled the needle, that's why everyone is fine. There are bigger problems with the story than an ambiguous ending.
>>321750726
Then you're probably mentally challenged
>>321750605
You're comparing that to having two endings which tell you to play the game again and do it the PROPER way, and the end to the PROPER way is either leave or stay. Thats fucking lazy, hyping up "hurr u play da game ur way u can either genocide or naw" but then flat out telling the player "No go do it again", and through Genocide and Neutral you hype up True Pacifist and the ending to True Pacifist is either stay or dont who the fuck even cares.
>Everyone is just magically a-okay with zero fucking explanation whatsoever.
Everyone would be a-ok with you clearing the world of evil and reversing everything the pig-masks did, why wouldnt they?
Fuck you're dumb.
>complaining about the asspull happy ending when the story was a fucking mess that tried too hard to be sad and couldn't mix in humor as well as 2 did
>>321751046
>Everyone would be a-ok with you clearing the world of evil and reversing everything the pig-masks did, why wouldnt they?
That is absolutely not what I said. Maybe you should read through my post a few more times.
I'm saying that it's stupid that everyone just ends up surviving in the end even though it clearly looked like the whole island (and possibly the world) was destroyed.
Also you're getting worked up about Undertale way more than I indented.
>>321749773
>So yeah, discuss and/or complain about Mother 3.
Entire game is massively overrated trash, if it wasn't japanese only and it wasn't the 10 years later sequel to earthbound nobody would give a shit about this game.
>Linear as fuck, while mother 1/earthbound had lots of great non-linear exploration based gameplay mother 3 handholds you like crazy.
>Didn't actually bother to fix the shitty combat, just added a rhythm gimmick which doesn't really add anything.
>Emotional stuff is overall way to hamfisted, previous two games managed way more effective moments with 1000% less dialogue
>Going from poking fun at modern culture to outright shitting on it is pretty insulting coming from a videogame, more or less the very symbol of western decadence.
It's funny you mention undertale because most of that games failings are directly because of how much it's creator loves mother 3. It even copies the same shitty primary color background design this game uses.
The only part I really liked was the monkey chapter because it was the only one that felt like mother 1/earthbound instead of someones fanfiction ABOUT mother 1/earthbound
>>321751481
>Linear as fuck,
Early saturn valley is fun as fuck m8
>>321751481
>Linear as fuck
this was my main problem with 3 as well
didn't care for the character chapter format either
>>321751385
>I'm saying that it's stupid that everyone just ends up surviving in the end even though it clearly looked like the whole island (and possibly the world) was destroyed.
Thats a twist
Do you know what twists are?
And not "hurr assgore is just misunderstood asriel wuz a gud boy he dindu nuffin", thats a trash trope that shows how much of a talentless hack Toby is among everything else.
>>321749773
Because Lucas ends the world. He knows humans will only attempt to destroy it again. The black screen simply resembles the abyss.
Undermeme ending was so mellow and forced. Throwing some important character at the last second of the game who I'm supposed to feel bad for? Get that shit outta here.
>>321751641
>thats a trash trope
it's okay when porky does it
>>321751481
I bet you never got a 16 hit combo nigger
>>321751679
>Throwing some important character at the last second of the game who I'm supposed to feel bad for?
>>321751641
Anon, it sounds like you're just buttmad because I prefer Undertale's ending to your godsend Mother 3's.
Get over it.
>>321751695
Literally nothing said Porky was just misunderstood and that depressed his son got murdered by humans, are you mentally challenged?
Then again you liked Undertale, so thats a redundant question.
>>321751760
People actually feel bad for porkey?
God mother fans are shit
Complaining about undertale isn't making me hate that more, it's making me dislike mother 3
>>321751801
>Anon, it sounds like you're just buttmad because I prefer Undertale's ending to your godsend Mother 3's.
Because you're being intentionally retarded. If you enjoyed Undertales ending over Mother 3's then you're just clearly handicapped. Its like saying you enjoyed the ending to Transformers 2 more than you did the ending to 2001.
Fuck off back to Tumblr.
>>321751805
>if you insulted Mother 3 you like Undertale
christ you fanboys are retarded
just because someone calls out your faggotry doesn't mean it's the same person you were arguing with, you dipshit
>>321751907
Well, I don't think I'm mentally handicapped; I think I have a very valid opinion.
I DO think that you're getting too upset about people having different opinions than you.
>>321751481
I kinda brushed on this but let me state it directly
Mother 3 simply doesn't feel like a mother/earthbound game
Earthbound directly and not so directly makes fun of the cliche jrpg "you are the chosen one, go and collect these macguffins and save the world" quest that mother 3 unironically follows.
Mother 1 used it's gameplay in all sorts of ways to present it's themes (losing the happy "you have party members music" after escorting the girl home, teddy and loid against the robot, everything involving magicant, the final boss, ect ect) while in mother 3 it's themes are presented by characters talking and talking and talking some more. It doesn't do anything with the medium that couldn't be done with a literal novel. Even this games equivalent of the giygas fight is just "defend and heal and eventually it ends for you" which the game makes you do TWICE
>>321751728
why would I bother when the last few hits add only 1-2 points of damage?
>>321751907
>If you enjoyed Undertales ending over Mother 3's then you're just clearly handicapped
They're both the same cliche-ridden tripe so he'd be handicapped either way.
The worst of Memetale is a result of the creator liking the worst of Mother.
>>321752035
>both are cliche tripe endings blah blah
Whatever. I don't even care about that. Undertale's ending had SOMETHING to it and even though you may feel like it's emotionally hamfisted and "autistic" at least it's not "everything is deus ex'd hunky-dory out of nowhere now yep xP"
>>321750605
Lemme give you my take on the ending.
So, through the game you shift between different main characters, and whoever the main character is at the time doesn't speak. Lucas isn't a totally silent character, except when you're controlling him.In the last chapter there are a couple of 'twists' that aren't really presented as twists. At least, they aren't really meant to feel shocking.
First when Leder tells you about the true history of the world. Leder WAS a totally silent character up to this point, and we find out that it was because he was carrying this huge burden of being the only one to know the truth. A lot of people say they find this part overwrought but I actually like how quiet it is. Like I said, it's not really meant to be shocking, it mostly just emphasizes how worn out everyone is.
Then there's the moment where Duster tells you that the Masked Man is really Claus. Again it's not really a big twist, it's something you easily could have figured out yourself. Duster has been in denial about Claus the entire game, and when he tells you that he's the Masked Man it's not a big shock, it's just the point at which he can't avoid the truth any longer.
So the game has been building these long silences to show the burdens that people are carrying, and then it ends with a scene of you talking to every character in the game, and they all tell you that they're doing OK. It's a kind of abstract way of showing how Lucas is doing in the end - he's lost family members and been lonely and silent for large chunks of the game, but in the end he's together with everyone else. It's meant to feel hopeful, he's been through the worst but he's alright. It never tells us the literal fate of the world but that isn't really important. Most of what we knew about the world was wrong anyway.
So yeah, I really like the ending. I get if people think it's pretentious or whatever though
>>321752396
>at least it's not "everything is deus ex'd hunky-dory out of nowhere now yep xP"
That's literally what the true pacifist ending is.
You know, the one they explicitly tell you to go for at the end of a neutral run.
>>321752396
It's justified if not explained. Why would everyone die if lucas pulled the needle?
>>321752396
>it's not "everything is deus ex'd hunky-dory out of nowhere now yep xP"
>monsters get along perfectly fine with humans and everybody has a party
>literally "the power of friendship stops evil" in the most generic way
bet you're one of those faggots who gushes about your "feels" when the stupid flower goat god was shining and the "epic" music played in reverse
>>321752482
I actually really liked the Leder part. It threw me off guard and I liked how such an insignificant character can just become one of the most important ones by the end of the game, albeit for a few minutes.
>>321752554
Well, I was just confused because the ending cutscene showed the whole island being destroyed EVEN THOUGH Lucas was the one who pulled the needle.
>>321752519
I'm sorry but that's just incorrect. It sounds to me like you didn't even play Undertale if you think the deus ex thing I'm pointing out in Mother 3 is ANYTHING like Undertale's ending(s).
>>321753051
>If you criticize it, you didn't play it
You could have just said from the start that you were going to shitpost.
I'm not even comparing it directly to Mother 3's ending, just pointing out how stupid it is in its own way. Don't know why I bothered since your horrendous bias just means you'll cover your ears and cry.
>>321752705
>bet you're one of those faggots who gushes about your "feels" when the stupid flower goat god was shining and the "epic" music played in reverse
You people keep acting like I'm praising Undertale's ending as fucking monumental or whatever but I'm not. I'm just saying that I think it has a better ending than Mother 3's. I think a LOT of games have better ending's than Mother 3.
Honestly, this just shows how much more you care about Undertale than I do.
>>321753051
The dragon read Lucas' true feelings. He was mad as fuck at the horrible world he lived in, but wasn't truly evil. So the world got a hard, apocalyptic purge, but people are more or less 'alright' in the end.
>>321753224
>I'm just saying that I think it has a better ending than Mother 3's
they're equally shit
>>321753051
>Well, I was just confused because the ending cutscene showed the whole island being destroyed EVEN THOUGH Lucas was the one who pulled the needle.
Well for that, it could be implying that Lucas no longer had a good heart afterkind-of killing Claus. But who knows
>>321753261
Well I disagree with you.
Lucas pulled the majority of the needles, but not all of them, some of Claus' corrupted, empty will was passed on to the dragon, so the world was partially plunged into apocalyptic void, but Lucas' will was enough that it was restored after being wiped clean.
How to fix Mother 3
>make the order you hunt the needles in much less obvious and linear
>MORE build-up and establishing of relationships
>You don't have to make him speak, but show more of Lucas' goddamn personality
>bring back isometric perspective
>use the FULL uncensored ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8_huZmO0aQ
>>321753229
>>321753275
I'm not saying either of you are wrong, because those explanations are completely valid, but I just feel like that's looking into things more deeply than necessary in order the explain the ending.
I don't know, I guess for me it's kinda difficult to "look into" Lucas's character for the same reason it's kinda hard to look into Mario's character in Super Mario Bros.
First off, don't compare this series to Undertale. People keep comparing it to Mother despite the fact that it has NOTHING in common with the series.
Anyways, OP, sometimes less is more. Things don't always need to be explained to you. I thought it was a really fitting end for the series.
Mother 3 is Itoi running out of ideas because he's only good at recycling plots
>>321751907
Don't get so mad at him. I am just as frustrated as you are at his lack of taste, but some people are just like that. Some people would prefer to see Transformers 2 to movies like 2001, as retarded as that as.
It's not worth it. Maybe when he grows up and sees actual storytelling he will get some taste. Otherwise it's his fault, and you don't need to waste your breath.
>>321751760
It's hinted at throughout the game, and it serves as a link to EarthBound. Also, you aren't supposed to feel bad for Pokey. He's a shithead who sided with Giygas for power, and when he lost he went and wrecked a quiet peaceful island, ruining people's lives.
>>321754168
>trying to act like buddies with someone on an anonymous internet board
And people say Undertale fans are autistic.
>>321754000
The comparisons aren't coming out of nowhere. There are parts of Undertale that are basically cut from Earthbound wholesale
Lucas has a line in the second chapter if you go to his house as Duster. It's something along the lines of "Oh, Duster. I couldn't sleep..."
If Duster meets him at a certain other point, he says something like "Maybe I should have gone with Claus..."
Kid's depressed, OP. The dragon picked up on that.
>>321754290
Ok, you're really reaching with that one.
>>321754330
Could you give me an example.
>>321754168
>Some people would prefer to see Transformers 2 to movies like 2001
A better comparisonequally stupid and pointlesswould be Epic Movie and Bridge to Terabithia.
>a bunch of meme catering
>something that tries way too hard to be sad and comes off as pretentious as fuck
>>321754374
>Could you give me an example.
Off the top of my head:
Temmie village is playing on Saturn Valley.
The true pacifist route ends with a sequence where you can walk through the whole world and all the characters have new dialogue, like in Earthbound.
There's a part where your character has a dream and you get a message addressing you as a player, again like in Earthbound.
Plus there's stuff like Papyrus having the Starman symbol on his chest
>>321754362
You're probably right, but those are such small parts, though.
It just makes me wish Mother 3 did something like EarthBound where it went into Ness's subconscious or something like that; just to show his personality a little more than they did.
>>321754626
*went into Lucas's subconscious
I think part of the problem is that the game has a reputation for being so sad. People are regularly like, "I cried my goddamn eyes out, this is the saddest game EVER MADE!" and that kinda ruins it.
I went in mostly cold, and it was sad, and moving, but in a "Shit, man..." way, not a tears streaming down my face way.
People overhype the sadness to the point that people playing feel underwhelmed and annoyed at "attempts to make them sad" instead of rolling with it and playing the game.
>>321754626
It did have his hallucinations on Tanetane Island and the dream sequence in chapter six.
>>321754616
Some of those seem like stretches, and even so, those are all little references or things that inspired Toby to put those in the game.
The game itself, the themes, the characters, the gameplay, are all very different. As a whole Undertale is hardly anything like EarthBound or Mother as a whole, which is why the comparisons don't make sense.
>>321754727
Haha, honestly, I skipped talking to most of the hallucinations because I didn't want to fight a bunch of enemies.
But yeah, there are a fair number of scenes that show what Lucas is thinking about and how he thinks of it, but I still honestly feel like they didn't do enough of it. Eh.
