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Marketing.
>>321668195
they don't have real competition
Europeans are smart enough to realize that Xbone is a NSA spy machine.
They're the only ones dedicated to supporting the console market.
Everyone else wants to chase the muhhoementerttainmunt business that no one asked for.
>>321668195
PS3 had the best exclusives (if you exclude the Wii, which is considered a kiddy console by most people anyway) so that carried some weight with decision-making of the buyers. Also it has the best versions of popular sports games (FIFA and shit), had a decent library (not at launch but whatever) and has the best upcoming console exclusives (SF5 for one).
Face it, Sony won. The only competition PS4 faces is the PC, and even that is laughable if you look at the state of the recent releases PC got optimization wise.
Because Europeans are dumb and can't understand advanced features in anything, same with Xbox and PS4, same with automatic and manual transmission, the europeans have their nose so up their ass with 'muh culture muh legacy' that they can't even think straight anymore
>>321668415
>europoors
>Smart
>>321668195
Sony is making video games great again.
The premier dudebro console tripped over the starting line and the ps4 got to collect the spill.
>>321668195
timed exclusivity in yearly release roster update sports games helped a lot, as that's the main seller for europe
>>321668195
Because in Europe there is PSX nostalgia
PSX was the most popular console in Europe
because that specifically says console market, the only alternatives are xbox and wii u, most people who arent literally retarded will buy a ps4 over and xbone, and not everyone wants to shell out a few hundred bucks to play some kids games that will get old after an hour
>>321668195
Fifa
>>321668195
Xbox is all-american console with exclusive handegg stuff. No divegrass, no euro.
>Xbox is marketed to AMERICAN dudebro college fags.
>PS4 is marketed as a gaming system.
Man, working in PR at Sony must be the easiest job in the world when your only competition just shoot themselves in the foot for a living.
>>321668564
Literally the exact opposite last gen
>muh fifa
Euro consolefags are the worst casuals there are
NSA.
>>321668976
>PS4
>Gaming system
>Has no games
Who here true master race with pc, xbone, ps4, 3ds and wii u?
>>321669046
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ps4-playstation-4-gamer-chat-monitored-by-anti-terror-agents-spies-italy-italian-minister-andrea-a6753471.html
>>321669075
This meme hasn't been true since 2007
>>321668415
The 360 was huge in Germany while the bone is a total flop. Weaker hardware, higher price, TV-in in a world where noone watches TV anymore, every game requiring 10s of gigs of updates.
The bone is a fucking disaster.
>>321669273
>No one watches tv anymore
>Everyone buys a tv not for tv but for video games
I think we spotted the retard
>live in europe
>all my friends own an xbone
>all their friends own an xbone
>there's one guy who owns a ps4 and we all laugh at him
i doubt the validity of these statistics
>>321668195
Wasn't Playstation always the dominant brand in Europe though? Xbox only ever ruled supreme in America.
>>321669273
360 was a PR catastrophe in many European countries because it launched in 2006, and then if you weren't German, British, French or Scandi you've had to wait till 2009(Russia, Spain) or 2011(Czech Rep. Baltic republics, Hungary etc.) to get Live support. Imagine, console has been in some places for 5 years and didn't had live support.
>>321669389
>m-muh anecdotal evidence
lmao
>>321668195
> Sony exec makes vague, unsourced comments
Guess it must be true then.
>>321669273
>higher price
Maybe it's because the xbone is crashing hard but it was almost 100 cheaper than a ps4 with more games bundled this year.
>>321669372
Most people stream shows with their smart TVs or use apple sticks or whatever to watch their content. TV is literally dead if you're not a granny.
>>321669517
>muh vague comments from a sony exec paid to make his brand sound good
>>321668705
The Wii was the undisputed winner of last gen with the largest install base. Yes, they're mostly casuals but they had a steady stream of good games.
>>321669273
>implying boogie isn't being cucked
>>321668195
By having the objectively far and away best console of this generation at a good price and the competition being utter fucking retards. They have a solid selection of games for the overall market for a console at this point in its life, and now that they've got full momentum the flood is starting next year. Their Q1 lineup looks fantastic. That's really all there is to it, not complex this time.
Microsoft should have won FWIW, they had all the inherent advantages. But they fucked up badly trying to make a CENTER HUB OF YOUR DIGITAL LIVING ROOM at this point rather then just focusing on gaming potential. Nintendo tried their dumb gimmick shit without understanding the market had changed. Both have had bouts of anti-consumer bullshittery (more recently then Sony which has a hangover from the PS3/Vita and all their other horseshit in the '00s). The end.
>>321669075
>le nogaem maymay
It's getting better and better to see /v/'s desperation to shitpost about the PS4 look more and more retarded.
>>321669372
not him, but I fail to see you make any fucking sense m8
people buy tv's for consoles, hooking it up on pc's (like me), to watch blurays, and for streaming purposes like netflix and chromecastdumbshit
>>321669545
top cuck
>>321669649
>PS4
>Line up
>>321669617
I'm guessing most use their pcs or consoles nowadays. Both PS4 and Xbone have Netflix/Stan/Crunchyroll/Youtube.
>>321669778
Show me xbone lineup.
Note that for dudebro games sonnyggers can show you uncharted, the order or driveclub.
This means we're going g to get lots of good games, just like the PS2 r-right?
>>321669736
that's a foreign language meme that literally fucking disproves the statistic the sony exec is saying.
just in case you can't into numbers, 53% is not equal to or greater than 70%. it's actually less.
Europeans have always had class and superior taste. Americans have repressed maturity, rampant manchildism and simply have a different way of life.
>>321669849
No. What happened during PS2 era is completely different thing.
>>321669839
>the order
>dudebro
just stop fucking embarrassing yourself
>>321669778
Like I said, your desperate ebin maymay spamming just gets better and better as the Free Market blows you the fuck out. It's been a while now but I think it took around 4 years until
>599 NOGAEMS
finally became so obviously stupid that even inbreds like you realized it , I guess that'll probably be similar this time around too. Keep up the good fight anon as the PS4's merits keep it winning :^).
Its probably Marketing mostly imo. Im ENglish and i see PS4 adverts fucking everywhere and next to no Xbone ones. Most people i know have bought a ps4 but its mostly for FEEFAR and COD
>>321669839
Honestly, the best thing for gaming about PS4 that makes a real difference is the indie network. Those are the real exclusives.
>>321669907
When comparing current gen, PS4 has 74% marketshare lmao
>>321668751
>muh PC enlightenment
There are so many fucking this wrong with your platform you don;t even realize it, the first reason being it doesn't get half the fucking games next year.
>>321668195
For starters:They have no competition because of many many fuckups done by Microsoft and Nintendo
ThenSony pushed hard for exclusive deals that people want
Xbox can't even do Halo right anymore.
And COD went with Sony for a lot of shit.
Nintendo hasn't been relevant since the Gamecube.
And no I am not talking about the Wii was somehow unsuccessful, it is more that the market it went for and the lack of quality control basically guaranteed that nobody would want the Wii U(Which also did poorly because of dumb shit Nintendo pulled again)
>>321669618
Is a person who bought an xbone trying to pretend they're smart?
>>321668195
80% of Xbone's features don't work outside of North America, some of those only with the US. No use for Eurofags to pay full price for something where you can't use most of the shit.
The Xbone was marketed as a home entertainment hub, with gaming being one of those features. The PS4 was marketed as a gaming console that could also do other shit.
>>321668195
>black shit invading europe
GEE, what else is new?!
>>321670114
you can't obtain that information accurately from that chart, you moron
>>321670117
It just means Sony made the right decisions, as a company
>>321669868
>hey guys breaking news the PC has better grafix then a $300 console!!!!
>>321670159
Did MS ever fix the 50hz PAL TV judder?
>>321670073
I haven't seen a single XBONE or much less Wii U commercial on TV or a movie theater, ever. All of them have been PS4. Guess they're not even trying to appeal to the European market.
>>321668195
Remember when xbone came only in few countries, that is why. M$ said screw you and customers said the same.
>>321669868
you forgot this one bro
>>321669649
>Microsoft should have won FWIW, they had all the inherent advantages.
Not really. The PS3 caught up with the 360 thanks to rest of world sales even with 360 dominance in the USA. Microsoft made very little effort to build their brand outside of America and the UK.
Sony also didn't let them have a year head start this time.
>>321670185
53+9+9= 71
53/71 = 74.6%
Basic math bud
why do ps4 owners feel the need to shit on everyone else? is it because the ps4 isn't very good and they're hiding their shame?
>>321670480
DELETE THIS
>70-90%
hope you euros are ready to get fucked in the ass by sony
>>321670480
that's literally not how percentages work. you'd need to know the sales figures for each console.
it's cute that you're trying though.
Consoles have always been dedicated gaming systems that are basically designed to play games for the longest time possible until developers literally stop supporting its hardware.
That's what consoles have always been about, the fucking games.
It was never meant to evolve into an 8 legged $3000 hobby in which you masturbate over a giant virginic monolith in your room while gloating about all its side features, multi monitor capability, gigahurts in rams and performance and all this other fedora hobbyist shit.
Consoles have and always will be machines for people who like to play games and place a higher importance on software than console bashing people for enjoying those games because a game hass less frames and lights in the draw distance.
>>321669465
after the death of SEGA, "Playstation" became basically synonym for "console" here.
XBOX really became a thing with the 360
>>321670520
they have bloodborne
I want bloodborne
I don't give a fuck about anything else though so I'm not buying yet
>>321670159
> The Xbone was marketed as a home entertainment hub, with gaming being one of those features. The PS4 was marketed as a gaming console that could also do other shit
This is what fucking gets me. Last gen Ps3 was the entertainment system and the 360 was purely game based. Why did they start marketing it as an all-rounder? It backfired so hard. Microshill failed at marketing the xbone and back peddled. They changed the console by release but by then it was too late. What were they thinking.
>>321670520
>why do ps4 owners feel the need to shit on everyone else?
>>321670219
They knew how to market and said the right things to get people interested.
But it also helped that their competition fucked up repeatedly several times in a row.
I mean the Xbone's initial reveal was a huge fuckup. Same with forced Kinect integration, the pricetag and things like that.
Then they go further and fuck up Halo and have little else to note.
COD players went to where the DLC went, which Sony snagged timed exclusive DLC on and that extended past Black Ops 3.
Microsoft did what? Fuck up Halo, mess up Gears and have about as much presence as the Wii U in terms of relevance.
Don't even need to mention how Wii U messed up being relevant besides the stupid name and the controller(Even if it is kind of nice)
Not to mention Nintendo has a lack of popular third party games and that's what is pushing a lot of sales right now.
>>321670520
>ps4 isn't very good
Maybe so, but I can't think of a better current gen console at the moment. Maybe that is why PS4 is winning.
>>321668773
The xbone only really sells well in the states. Neither asia nor europe seem to be interested in it. So yes, it probably has something to do with being smarter than burgerclaps.
>>321669868
>I like to pretend the argument between PS4 and PC isn't relative to money spent and I will conveniently refrain from telling you those extra lights in the draw distance come at a $1000 mark up.
Heh, a $300 PC really outshines a $300 PS4 heh, believe me buddy, just check the picture heh
Sonydrones supporting a console over empty promises
>I-I bought the ps4 because it has a future, t-the games are coming
>>321670219
>It just means Sony made the right decisions, as a company
I don't understand why /v/ has such trouble getting this. The PS4 is basically the anti-PS3, simple as that. They took most of the good bits (standard SATA drive, quiet, region free etc) and ditched the humongous blunders (massively expensive, baroque system design, terrible starting dev support,etc), while simultaneously managing the avoid the temptation to go with any major gimmicks. The only ones they tried out were the lightbar and touch pad, both of which cost pennies and have minimal negative effect. The lightbar is the most irritating and purely shit, but it didn't actually compromise the console either.
Meanwhile Microsoft and Nintendo went with ~$100-150 gimmicks and lost sight of their core focus, as a result gimping their hardware. Microsoft got arrogant and was fighting the wrong fight, Xbone is perhaps the final example of the HUGE dysfunction at that company (they have since started turning their shit around). Nintendo didn't (maybe still doesn't) understand the changing market conditions at all.
Frankly both should have been better then Sony easily, because they both had a far stronger financial position or solid core IP or both. Sony didn't do anything complex or crazy, they just worked to not be shit. As it happens that's all it took this time. It's not some amazing praiseworthy deed but I don't think there's anything they need to feel bad about either.
>>321669014
And last gen xbox dominated...
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>>321668824
>Sony
>games
lol
>Anon constantly needs to justify his purchase
If it were any good, you'd be busy doing something better, like playing games on your favorite console, rather than trying to justify having one.
>>321670840
>Italy at number 4
hahahaha bullshit list
>>321670520
Because it's amusing to see the competition self destroys I guess
>>321670745
Microsoft is trying to take control of how people enjoy media and entertainment much more directly.
See Windows 10 to understand their philosophy right now.
>>321670926
>And last gen xbox dominated...
360 sold about the same as PS3 when it was all said and done.
>>321669389
live in europe? where exactly
>>321670840
>mongolia at nr. 5
You cant just say the competition fucked up for 3 years straight.
>>321670840
What happens if you remove niggers and illegals from the equation Mr. europoor?
>>321670840
>That list
>IQ not being a shitty meme system in general
O, I am laffin.
>>321668901
It was the most popular everywhere!
Well, except for Brazil where the Master System reigned supreme.
>>321671049
It played a large part in it.They were fucking up for a lot longer than that
>>321670645
Even if PS4 was 52.5% rounded up and XB1 and Wii U were 9.49% rounded down. It would still be >70%
Is anyone else here done with Nintendo?
I can't carry that weight anymore, /v/, I just can't keep defending them.
As of Christmas I enlisted in the Sonygger army.
>>321668705
>It had the best exclusives if you ignore the console that actually had the best exclusives :^)
>>321671171
>memes and console war bullshit
The worst of /v/ in one post.
>>321668195
Cause Microsoft fucked up bigtime and Sony announced they were making a console that wasn't all that different from the last one they made.
>>321671116
There are still plenty of stupid white people.
The Japanese made video games great again.
>>321671116
#1 Mutti said they're all rocket scientists
#2 italy will go down to 92
>>321670381
On my train there were ads for PS tv covering the entire train. Nothing about games. People just can't seem to forget the bones announcement and still think its the same console.
>>321671021
Ur mums pussy sold the same m8
>>321671430yeah but blacks alone literally drag our IQ down 3 points,i wish i was fucking joking
>>321671465
>Mutti said they're all rocket scientists
top kek, anyone got that image of 100% black detroit?
>>321671116
How about we remove mudshits aswell then?
>>321670418
>Not really.
Yes, really. This is the first generation where custom hardware has mostly gone out the window for consoles (for good), basically taking them to the same place that the rest of the PC industry ended up by the end of the 1990s. At this point it's pretty much a pure silicon play: you go to AMD or whomever and a foundry, and you tell them what you want. They'll sell you as much silicon as you are willing to pay for, simple as that. There's work in figuring out the best way to balance the BOM, but at the end of the day if two companies are pursuing the same goal then the one that can afford to take a $100 hit per console and pours that all into silicon will have a HUGE advantage. GPUs in particularly are trivially scalable these days, you just need to pay for more CUs.
Additionally, Microsoft has solid network services expertise, has a lot of institutional knowledge in attracting and retaining devs (their IDE and overall frameworks are damn good and a not widely appreciated reason for the long dominance of Windows), investments they can amortize in Windows gaming, etc etc. They SHOULD have had fundamental advantages over Sony. They lost because they just didn't pursue the same goal at all.
>Sony also didn't let them have a year head start this time.
It wasn't Sony "letting them" or not, it was Microsoft having dysfunctional schedule. Sony merely was good.
They do it like that
>>321671575
do mudslimes make up 13% of your population?
>>321669389
Say your country dumbass.
Here in Italy almost everyone have a ps4 for FIFA and cod.
>>321669496
>360 was a PR catastrophe in many European countries because it launched in 2006, and then if you weren't German, British, French or Scandi you've had to wait till 2009(Russia
If I remember correctly, 360 was much more popular because it was the earliest to get the CFW.
Consoles have always been dedicated gaming systems that are basically designed to play games for the longest time possible until developers literally stop supporting its hardware.
That's what consoles have always been about, the fucking games.
It was never meant to evolve into an 8 legged $3000 hobby in which you masturbate over a giant virginic monolith in your room while gloating about all its side features, multi monitor capability, gigahurts in rams and performance, hoarding thousands of $2 flash games and all this other fedora-tier hobbyist shit. Your platform doesn't get half the fucking games each gen.
Face the music you weak faggot you like AAA games just not when they're on consoles. Nobody likes PC exclusives then 'just' likes Multiplat AAA's, they havent been good since 2007. You either hate all AAA's and enjoy PC exclusives which is respectable and justifies your platform or you're a weak faggot that's in denial. It's that simple.
Consoles have and always will be machines for people who like to play games who place a higher importance on software than console bashing people for enjoying those games because a game hass less frames and lights in the draw distance.
>>321668195
there's no competition
there's no reason to get an Xbone
the Wii U is targeting a different demographic
>>321668195
europoors fucking love their soccer
>>321671769
>the Wii U is targeting a different demographic
Going by sales I would say a non-existent demographic.
>>321671640
>the last guardian
so is it actually confirmed or what
>>321671446
BUILD XBOX
>>321671897
its supposed to come out next year
don't be surprised if it gets fucking delayed again
>>321670850
>$1000 mark up
Why do you need to lie to yourself, son? Is it really that hard to accept facts? You can have fun with your shitbox and also be a man on the internet at the same time you know.
>>321671897
Indeed.
Until it's de-confirmed that is
They used the Apple strategy of making people but their shit for the brand
>>321671171
>Is anyone else here done with Nintendo?
This gen? Yes. I'm sick of their horseshit, both on hardware and in terms of NoA and Treehouse. NoJ can't dodge responsibility for never bothering to pay the slightest attention to shit beyond Japan at this point, sorry but it's not 1995 anymore. If they don't care to put in the time to think about us then I don't care to give them my money.
But I'm not writing them off at all either, because there IS talent there, and solid IPs. And they can totally turn it around in the current era, they no longer have to deal with the shit of having their own manufacturing or massive R&D or whatever, they can literally compete on an even ground with MS/Sony no problem. MS & Sony have gone through/are going through their own stagnation and attempted rebirths, as have so many other tech companies. If Nintendo gets their shit together I will be in line Day 1, they haven't done anything worth holding a grudge over IMO.
>>321671769
>the Wii U is targeting a different demographic
I'd say they wanted to target same demographic, or at least closer one than they did with Wii, problem is everyone thinks they don't and they're targetting Wii casuals
>>321671671
Probably even more. The sad thing? Those mudshits are still smarter than the average american :^)
>>321670938
/thread
Tired of little brats console wars shitposting in here 24/7. PC wins by default, also the "new" gen shitboxes are worse hard-ware wise than the last gen shitboxes.
All facts a real man and vidya enthusiast can admit.
You kids are no men.
>>321671640
>TWO games announced almost 10 years ago
As I said, sonydrones that love to be fucked in the ass
>>321671741
saved
>>321671741
Stop using the image I created for shitposting, while you are right about PC not getting half the games the image was made as a celebration of the games themselves, not for console waring.
>>321672050
>muh marketing
Though that you compare it to Apple shows what a neckbeard retard you are and explains why you have such trouble grasping this simple stuff. You're going to have a confusing and angry life I guess as the world mysterious confounds your idiot expectations over and over again. But it can't be you of course, it must be the SHEEPLE!
>>321672192
>t. Muhammad
you can't seriously believe what you just said can you?
>>321670117
>Nintendo hasn't been relevant since the Gamecube.
Nintendo hasn't been relevant since the N64.
>>321671741
>Nobody likes PC exclusives then 'just' likes Multiplat AAA's
Says who?
>Multiplat AAA havent been good since 2007
Then whats the fucking point of PS4?
$400 Bloodborne machine?
>>321672271
>NOGAEMS XD
>games posted
>T-TH-THOSE GAMES D-DON'T COUNT!!!
>more games >>321671741
>NUH-UH THOSE N-NEITHER
every time
>>321671741
The average shitbrat on /v/ these days kids, make a picture!
>>321672346
THIS fucking PC faggot false flagger.
I made that image you fucking retard, I even have the PSD's on file if you don't believe me. PC is a garbage platform and its presence has damaged the gaming industry.
Stop trying to weasel your way out of it by pretending to claim ownership over things you have no part in you fucking PC cuck.
>>321672420
Whats the point of the PS4? I just said so in my post, to play fucking games. I gets multiplats and exclusives.
>>321672420
But the PS4 isn't $400 and is bloodborne even on that picture at all? You need to update your bot.
>>321668195
The other two shat the bed early on while Sony didn't. It's not that hard to figure out.
>>321672353
People were buying the ps4 before it had any games announced, a lot of people bought the ps3 for the last guardian and then they bought the ps4 for the same game, and are actually happy that sony confirmed that maybe the game will come out eventually
Sonydrones are the biggest whores in this industry, Sony did a great job taming their retarded fanbase
As understandable the PS4 hate here is, Sony doing well this gen is only improving gaming overall. Last gen the Wii dominated, leading to the popularity of mobile gaming and developers dumbing down their games to chase the casual audience. This gen we have Microsoft actually trying to focus on their niche audience they realized they'll never lead, more devs supporting cross-multiplayer in their games, better optimized PC games due to the similar architecture and a complete revival of the Japanese console market. I mean shit, look at what's coming next year alone. The gaming industry is restablizing its self. You can ignore the PS4 and still reap the benefits of it doing wellNintendo is absolutely fucked though.
>>321671591
This post is wrong from the 3rd sentence.
>1 AMD doesn't have their own silicone plants, they use TSMC(like nvidia) and recently switched over to Samsung because Apple also uses TSMC and they caused delays too often.
>2 AMD designed current gen consoles but they can as well design single part of it(like GPU) while Microsoft or Sony engineers would put it into bigger system(likely also built by other companies)
>3 console manufacturers can, in theory design their own consoles from the ground up but ever since the end of 90's it's simply not affordable, to do it you need absolute top tier engineers and companies that base their business on delivering varied software or hardware like microsoft or sony can't do it just like smaller companies like nintendo can't. Small focused companies like IBM do it whole the time, "big" hardware companies can also easily afford doing it - see Apple, Nvidia, Intel(they even have their own plants), Qualcomm, AMD etc. etc.
>4 the nail in the coffin to "custom" consoles are certain patent/anti-competition laws that make designing x86 CPU by company like microsoft impossible, while, at the same time, cost-effectiveness on game dev side demands common architecture between consoles and PC's.
>>321672371
Listen, I'm speaking numbers here. The average european is smarter than the average american. That's a fact. And if there's more mudshits in europe than niggers in america then yes, mudshits are smarter than americans.
The attitude of PC gamers in the west is quite something to behold, it's extremely pro-consumer but funnily enough to its own disadvantage.
Basically what happened before and during the PS360 gen is the rise of PC gaming and the mass migration. Those who had been raised by consoles were now turning their backs on them yet in such a way that instead of seeing them as platforms that supported game development for over a decade, they were now seen as mere obsolete pieces of hardware designed by greedy companies to hold back their gaming experience. This propelled the already growing subculture of PC superiority as we know it today.
What PC migraters failed to realize was the consequences of damaging consoles market share for it was to directly impact the capacity for the industry to fund and develop games in the wake of rising game budgets. Good hardware doesn't buy good games and many thought by moving forward in terms of consumer hardware would move the infrastructure that supports software development forward too, however, they simply didn't care to understand how that industry works and why it doesn't cater to the consumer with the best hardware and also how it ultimately puts them at a disadvantage provided their goal is to receive new software in the first place. The the relationship consoles and software developers share has since became demonized and attacked for simply operating under a sustainable model of financial and structural support that works for both the developer to provide software, the console manufacturer and ultimately the consumer.
As games continue to evolve they will simply continue to work hand in hand with console manufacturers who will adapt to the changes with hardware iterations toward the end of their life cycles. It is this infrastructure of complimentary support that actually holds the gaming industry together and drives it forward while also ensuring developers stay afloat and remain profitable and continue to make the games.
Monopoly incoming
>console exclusives are cancer of game industry, muh anticonsumer
>yeah, finally PC only game, suck on it, peasants
>devs, don't port it to consoles, PC only game is best thing
Who do you think says this?
>>321670910
This. But this is also a problem in a sense where the market doesn't want innovation. It just wants better graphics and cheaper prices. Microsoft and Nintendo tried to innovate their consoles with gimmicky ideas to further video games as a whole, but what they got was that no one cares for voice control, motion sensors, online market sharing, dual screen ingenuity. They just want to play games on something that can run games. Sony marketed towards that. They just showed what games they had while Microsoft and Nintendo tried to show off their consoles.
That's why they failed. That's why games will fail.
>>321672761
like i said, niggers literally bring our average down 3+ points, we have 41 million black people to your 44 million muzzies. Besides you posted an un-cited image.
why am i even bothering? You are just a shitposting Europoor anyway. You don't care about facts, just shitting on a country that you have never visited and never will have any effect on your life.
For the price of a good PC, one in which you will actually see a tangible and respectable difference in performance compared to consoles you're simply going to have to spend upwards of a thousand dollars.
Building a barbones piece of shit and gloating about marginally outperforming consoles is retard tier because either way, you're still paying more to end up receiving less quality games. MGSV and various other games already run at 1080p 60fps on PS4 but performance is largely irrelevant to us.
Now for a $1000 you can get a ps4, xbox and wiiU + their exclusives at retailed price combined. You also get to play xenoblade, bloodborne, scalebound, bayonetta 2, persona 5, horizon zero dawn, gravity rush 1 + 2, Star Ocean 5, FFXV, etc etc etc
So do you buy a $1000 space station with no games or platforms to play all the games? It's a simple answer.
>>321673156
>You also get to play xenoblade, bloodborne, scalebound, bayonetta 2, persona 5, horizon zero dawn, gravity rush 1 + 2, Star Ocean 5, FFXV
you can't play them because half of them are not released yet.
>>321672804
Wrong
>>321673156
super wrong
Why anyone bothers with you consoleturd kids anymore is completely beyond me.
most of europeans (including myself) were dispointed with x360 so we jumped the ship and went for ps4 with hopes that it will be another successful ps2. Well... its not. But neither is xbone.
>>321673028
Do they praise gaben and wear fedora?
>>321672824
Sony is too frail for that and M$ got infinite money thanks to Windows so no.
The only monopoly that could happen is if MS managed to sink Sony which could happen easily.
>>321673096
>That's why games will fail.
Nah, gimmicks none want fail, that's all and that's good.
>>321673102
Would it really kill you to just google 'average IQ per country'? Oh well, your lower IQ is showing.
>>321673156
How about you stop being fucking poor and buy all of them + a good PC?
Nintendo isn't a choice for the gamer since it's not mature enough, doesn't get many 3rd parties in comparison and has so many less graphics.
Xbone shot itself in the leg with their locked discs and NSA, tons of bad publicity right there, only the fanboys stuck with Xbone.
Sony kinda won by default and they sure marketed Xbone's weaknesses and their own strengths. 4daplayer and so on, we won't fuck you over etc.
I remember how they boasted about not locking your games to one console,as if that's a thing to be proud of. I was always able to sell my used games in the past, now you want me to be thankful for being able to do what I please with my property?
>>321672740
>This post is wrong from the 3rd sentence.
You apparently have major reading comprehension issues. Particularly since you then go on to completely agree with everything I wrote.
>>1 AMD doesn't have their own silicone plants
First, silicon and silicone aren't the same anon. Second, I said AMD and a FOUNDRY. If you don't know what the word "foundry" means (hint, TSMC is one) then just stop right now.
>2 AMD designed current gen consoles
No, AMD supplied the APU IP to order. Overall console design is up to the OEM (MS/Sony in this case, but could be anyone else too).
>3 console manufacturers can, in theory design their own consoles from the ground up but ever since the end of 90's it's simply not affordable
No shit, that's exactly what I said. Although again, console makers made the mistake of delaying realizing this, leading to the debacle that was last gen when they DID try to once again design from the ground up. That's what created the Cell and blew a multibillion hole in Sony's bottom line.
>4 the nail in the coffin to "custom" consoles are certain patent/anti-competition laws that make designing x86 CPU by company like microsoft impossible, while, at the same time, cost-effectiveness on game dev side demands common architecture between consoles and PC's.
No, as mobile (ARM based) shows very clearly. It would still be possible to go full custom, but it wouldn't be cost or performance effective (again, as I said, just like PCs by the end of the 90s) in terms of hardware.
I don't even know what you're trying to argue here.
>>321673423
>not posting counterarguments
>>321673156
>upwards of a thousand dollars.
maybe with gayming monitor + gayming mouse + gayming keyboard
sweetspot will always be 756$
>>321673028
A brat? The same kind of brat you are you passive aggressive little shit. Kill yourself.
In the beginning I wasn't really feeling the "this is for the players" slogan and it seemed a little cheesy. But after owning my PS4 for over a year now, I definitely understand. It feels like the PS4 was designed from top to bottom for gamers by gamers. I feel a really strong sense of pride and connectivity whenever I play PS4 with the largest network of gamers on the planet each of us enjoying a unique experience from a vast and varied library of games.
2016 and 2017 lineup also looks absolutely fantastic.
Bravo Sony.
I own a Wii u, xbone, ps4, and a gaymen PC. I just enjoy playing games. Currently playing the new Tomb Raider, its bretty gud.
>>321673464
how about you post a cited source, since you were making the argument to begin with.
You can't post an uncited "source" then scream
when I point it out.
Like I said you are either just shitposting or are incredibly insecure about America.
>>321668415
>implying the NSA needs an Xbox to spy on you
>>321673448
> Nah, gimmicks none want fail, that's all and that's good.
Did you even read what I wrote?
>>321673442
It's really too early to judge this generation friend.
IMO the PS4 will have a memorable library with time but we'll have to wait for that to happen.
>>321673603
>I enjoy shit
good for you
I own a 4k 2440p gaming PC that runs all games at max settings at 140fps.
I actually have no idea how people play at 60fps anymore, I literally cannot enjoy games that run at 60fps without getting motion sickness. It's completely cinematic and it is mind boggling why someone would settle for such low standards.
How do people not realize they are literally holding back the gaming industry and preventing it from evolving into a higher standard for my personal enjoyment?
>>321673603
This plus 3DS. True master race.
>>321673532
Counterarguments to completely idiotic claims? Do you walk up to every year old and help them get a somewhat decent education?
Neither do I, son, neither do I.
>>321673532
because it's a fucking copypasta it doesn't deserve a reply because you're just going to post the fucking thing again tomorrow.
no, people switching to PC from console isn't the death of gaming you complete retard
So which should I buy /v/?
Xbone is cheaper than a PS4 by 50 buckaroos.
>>321673741
>games are now shit
All hail neo/v/
>>321673423
Console wars are cancer so you cringy le mustard race faggots go to reddit to circlejerk
>>321673749
specs?
>>321673828
PS4.
>>321673828
350 cheeseburgers
>>321673828
Either get bundles or check online for their sales on psn or xbox live store. It's a good time to get a console.
>>321673849
just tomb raider
>>321673828
PS4 is better in every way. Xbone is dead in the water.
>>321673442
I thought most of europeans (including my comrades) need a PS4 just for FIFA 16.
>>321673828
if america then xbox
if europe than PS4
xbox has shit support outside the states, despite the arguably better lineup
>>321673156
>I can't afford it therefore it sucks: the post
I hope you understand gaming is a hobby, a luxury. Nobody cares that you're poor.
>>321672726
>People were buying the ps4 before it had any games announced
It literally had games at launch anon. Again you confuse "I don't like those" with "nothing": seriously do you have actual brain issues? How can you not grasp this? If we were talking about what you personally liked then sure, but if we're talking about the overall market then what you (or I) personally prefer is not relevant. Period.
>random anecdote/weaseling, "a lot of people"
Numbers faggot. The PS2 sold 155+ million. The PS3 sold like 80 million. Even assuming zero market growth at all, there are tens of millions of former Sony owners who never, ever touched the PS3 library at all, ever. You have a large hill to climb if you want to argue that it's all "rebuying." Additionally
>complaining about re-releaes and retreads vs PC, Microsoft and Nintendo
Lol? Nintendo is the worst (or best, depending on what you like) about it, but the entire industry does it and long has. Particularly given that full BC had to be broken to move to x86 it's not a bad decision.
>>321668195
This is how
>>321674091
So now we're talking about someone deserving gaming just because he can, whereas someone that ''can't'' shouldn't?
>le capitalismo
>>321671741
>You're not allowed to criticize console hardware.
>Be a good consumer
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I wonder who is behind this post.
>>321674262
fuck off commie scum
>>321668195
It's a Japanese console that caters to western audience. That's how.
>>321673448
>Sony has a 90% Market share of the international console market
>has at least 50% market share in US with the rest divided between MS and Nintendo
>makes so much money that it would make a Dubai Oil man green with envy
>MS XBOX division literally bleeding money
>getting their asses handed to them royally by Sony
>thinking about leaving the console industry
>"Hurr Microsoft could easily sink them"
You are talking out of your ass.
>>321674262
>someone deserving gaming just because he can
>whereas someone that ''can't'' shouldn't?
wat
>>321671741
If consoles were meant just for games, why is the PS4 advertised as a multimedia platform somehow on par with a PC despite having none of it?
Are you starting to get tempted already?
You'll be in company of lots of great games and lots of great friends
>>321674341
Everytime, search the meaning of the word you brainwashed faggot.
BTW, there has never been a comunist country EVER, just because you call an apple orange doesn't make it one.
>please an hero
>>321674448
Because sonynyggers are blind
>>321673749
You're basically complaining that everyone else is poor. Why not develop your own games Anon?
>>321674478
jesus christ so many generic anime games
>>321673156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf4SVWEw2g
Console waring and shitposting retarded ancient myths needs to be a fucking permaban.
It was fun until 08 watching you kids wallow in your filth, it's just painful at this point and simply ruins the board.
You are underdeveloped insanely moronic little shits that are no gain whatsoever for this community or the vidya. Never was I more serious when saying Fucking Kill Yourself.
>>321673096
>This. But this is also a problem in a sense where the market doesn't want innovation
No anon, the market certain wants "innovation." But it must
A) BE GOOD
and
B) BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
There are no inherent prizes for change for change's sake. It is quite possible for change to be bad. It has to be a net win, taking into account everything else as well. Merely doing "well it's so new and fresh" doesn't mean jack shit.
Second, "innovation" can, you know, be SOFTWARE too, not just hardware. "Innovation" isn't always "revolution", sometimes it can be refinement and new gameplay ideas and such. "Merely" making a solid, decent core hardware foundation and leaving the innovation mostly up to software developers is not necessarily a bad thing at all.
>blops 4 bundle
>uncharted bundle
>star wars bundle
fuck. i have no interest in cod. star wars is supposed to be shit. i already played all the uncharted games on ps3.
which fucking bundle do i get.
fuck you sony, give me a bloodborne or fallout 4 bundle.
>>321674397
They also didn't murder their indie support. Ps4 is basically a PC
PC bros, I'm fucking scared, what are us PC master race going to be playing next year since all the biggest games aren't dropping on PC? First we miss out on Bloodborne, the Game of the Generation, then we get c'ucked out of all the good games in 2016. It just isn't fucking fair bros...
PC isn't getting Uncharted 4, Persona 5, Star Ocean 5, Ni No Kuni 2, Scalebound, Kingdom Hearts 3, Gravity Rush 2, Dreams, GT Sport, Crackdown, Quantum Break, Gears 4, Ratchet & Clank Redux, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Last Guardian, Rime, WiLD, Ni-Oh, Yakuza 0, Nier Automata, and more.
Why the fuck is this happening, why have devs betrayed us...
I mean our most hyped game is Dragon's Dogma, a remaster of a 4 year old game. This shit just isn't fucking fair.. Don't tell me I'll have to buy a fucking PS4...
>>321673857
What? What the fuck is wrong with you? What are you even trying to say?
god I hate this shithole of a board so much?
>>321674504
> there has never been a comunist country EVER
Well, only communists know it.
>>321674620
>Ps4 is basically a PC
with none of the abilities of a PC
>>321674504
>le never had true communism meme
holy fuck you really are commie scum. KYS my man
>>321669273
He's openly dating a tranny?
Good for him, good for him.
>>321674641
haha
>>321673156
To be honest, if you have a laptop from the last 3 years or so you can play every noteworthy PC game already. You won't miss out at all, you can play nearly everything.
Growing up I just consoled wars cause I was poor.
Then I graduated highschool and got a job and now I can literally own everything I want.
You could save at least 15 minutes and prevent stress if instead of arguing about consoles you looked for a job.
The only reason X or Y console is shit is because you're a loser fucking NEET.
>>321668195
By making consoles for gamers who are not (i) niggers, (ii) autistic teenagers and (iii) small children.
Funnily enough, the profitability of the target market of Nintendo is not sustainable in an ever-advancing field of consumer electronics.
Just admit that your parents bought you an N64 instead of a Playstation. Then admit that you are still asspained about it to this very day.
Admitting it is the first part of the healing process.
>>321674641
>PC bros, I'm fucking scared
You're neither a PC bro nor are you scared. Fuck off.
>>321674687
>with none of the abilities of a PC
Stop eating old paint chips for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
>>321668195
Germany here. In my circle of friends, PS4 is popular because of how broken PC versions of games are.
>>321674684
And said communists would be?
>>321674641
Devs haven't betrayed PC. It's just that PC is the conduit for LoL, CS:GO and Hearthstone.
>>321674641
nice pasta
>>321674859
>Stop eating old paint chips for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
the PS4 can't do anything a PC do, just to name a few things. It can't play games at different settings and resolutions. You can't use multiple screens on a PS4. You don't have the multimedia abilities of any PC. You can't run a server off a PC even virtual ones. You have no customization capabilities of a PC at all
>>321674607
Don't get a shill console.
>>321674712
Well, there really wasn't communism like Marx wrote. It's utopia.
>>321674607
you can get a 500 dollar PC that has better performance than the PS4 in every single way and has more games
>>321668976
When your entire marketing campaign is "We're not Xbox" is what gets you rolling in dough, you know that this is a shitty console generation.
>>321674789
>The only reason X or Y console is shit is because you're a loser fucking NEET.
Another ebin but retarded meme. Some of us understand how network effects and capital amortization dev-side work. Some of us have friends as well.
>>321674581
Well exactly. Nintendo is adamant about creating new ideas but Microsoft surely won't try it again with their consoles. Whether the ideas are good or not is subjective.
There's nothing wrong with software development. It is possible to have both.
they don't do anything
Nintendo and Microsoft's marketing campaigns do it for them
>>321669189
Everything except xboner. I see no reason to get one, even less after I got shafted with the 360.
>>321675059
Communism is incompatible with human nature. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's sure as fuck better than Communism. Humans by nature are always striving for more.
Just off yourself, you're clearly not human.
>>321675267
I see no reason to buy a console at all
I mean paying for otherwise free online is the jewiest thing you can possibly do
>>321674504
>there has never been a comunist country EVER
The doctrine of communism is basically to revolt against the goyim and round up the top 10% of most intelligent people and genocide them. Much like the talmud concept of killing the best of goys like crushing the head of a snake.
If you look at the countries which communism infected, you can clearly see hundreds of millions of goyim being genocided.
Looks like they DID have communism.
>>321673442
I'm not disappointed by it except the region lock.
So many jap games blocked
Still jumping the ship after seeing my favourite game drowning and having tasted a bit of the games thanks to the Vita.
Sony has the better console and the better games.
That's it. Case closed.
>>321675137
Yeah, a $500 PC has a name, it's called a "laptop." It would maybe be good for browsing the web and typing word docs, but not playing videogames.
If you want to play games you'll need to throw down $3000+ and spend weeks researching and building a fucking gaming rig.
>>321675281
True, it's incompatible because to achieve it would mean we'd have risen above the human status, where greed had no meaning
>>321668415
nah more like yuropoors only like to kick balls around and play video games where they kick balls
Xbone has legions of shrieking xbox live 12 year old cod players in the US. I don't see many of them in europe, at least in my country, they play CS GO or TF2 on PCs instead. Without them, praystashon has the upper hand.
>>321675395
this desu desu senpai
>>321675405
>Yeah, a $500 PC has a name, it's called a "laptop." It would maybe be good for browsing the web and typing word docs, but not playing videogames.
Its not a laptop, its a full fledged mini-atx build that uses a 750ti which plays games superior to consoles
>>321674186
This exactly, people like to thin that because multiplats are on other platforms it cancels them out, then are all surprised when thats not the case.
The PS4 released in the most perfect storm possible:
-Playstation had gained a lot of good will from ps3, the 360 had its redring problems and in their last few years ps3 was getting way more exclusives then the 360
-PS4 was revealed to be the more powerful console of the 2 and even none tech people were able to figure out from others that the ps4 was a straight upgrade on the xbone hardware, even if they couldn't gather how big or small that margin was.
-PS4 released cheaper
-PS4 just plain LOOKS better design wise
-Sony backed indies while MS was planning to pretty much dump em
-And finally MS shot themselves in the foot with their tv, tv, tv, tv, always online first conference, didn't help that that twitter guy then went on to give people shit about it who didn't like it.
In classic Playstation fashion the ps4 is slow off the mark to get exclusives, but from the ones we know, both third and first party, western and eastern, I would say the ps4 has the better line up.
Even in regards to shit that will b on only 1 console and pc, ps4 has the more interesting titles.
>>321668195
Why muslims love the PS brand so much?
The most important time to support both AAA and b-level developers is right now, many studios are simply going under or barely standing as the collective interest in gaming slowly winds to a halt and shifts to cheaper and less sustainable platforms like mobile & PC. The PS2 had the best library of all time and it is because it had the biggest install base in gaming history.
The bottom line is, if you have enjoyed many of the franchises consoles have brought to life over the years and care for console games and developers who themselves are reaching out to Sony to develop new games. If you will ultimately play and enjoy those games then join the installbase, drop the extremeist pro-consumer bias against muh 'corporate practice' you've developed and realize that the more of you there are, the more games everybody gets including PC. Be apart of what you were once apart of, console gaming because it is ultimately about gaming.
If you care about gaming, stop nickel and diming developers for their final product if they don't have the support to get their projects off their feet in the first place, join front and support them. Indie developers will never replace them.
>>321675504
come on man, why you gotta be stupid?
>>321675327
>Paying for online
I don't. I see them as single player machines. I do get to play MP because a friend with PS+ let me set my PS4 as his main console, so I get all of his stuff.
Actually, I only bought the console and nothing else, because he has digital games. I got like 5 or 6 games for free basically.
>>321671741
What are all these games in that picture?
>>321675504
Well, until the $13 power supply burns the motherboard to a crisp.
>>321675405
Yes but you get basically every game, from AAA to indie, customization, specs and the ability to create your own games and play them.
>>321674410
Let's make it easier for you to understand then.
MS lost money with every console they made yet their losses are irrelevant compared to the global profits of the company.
Sony is very dependant on how well SCE is doing, they can't afford even one failure.
So yes, all it'd take for MS to gain a monopoly is to win in the next generation for instance.
>>321675405
>It would maybe be good for browsing the web and typing word docs, but not playing videogames
I'm rotating between Stalker, VTMB, Hotline Miami and Cities Skylines right now on my shitty Acer with integrated graphics. It runs them all like cake, building a rig is the meme, not PC gaming in general.
>>321674574
You can't outperform games you don't get and if you honestly care more about a games performance than even getting software on your platform you're a pleb
>>321675712
You forget that most people are retards. I've seen people use a hammer to put in their RAM. A fucking hammer.
>>321675685
>>321675656
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/9Wpbt6
These are all reliable parts.
>>321674574
/thread
The funny thing is, a real /v/irgin would think " fuck why did they put such shitty hardware into these shitboxes this time around?
Pseudo /v/irgins post shitty console wars pasta instead.
neo/v/ is not a meme.
>>321672207
>PC wins by default
It won't as long as console exclusives and hacking exist
Also, for most publishers PC is the afterthought, thus all the shit ports.
Honestly, if you're into vidya, you have to be an idort, otherwise you'll just remain a salty nigger
>>321675845
You just named four games that are either indie or old as shit. congrats for further proving my point
>>321675882
come on man, why are you doing this?
>>321671171
especially with all that censorship, hell yeah im done with them, on top of that, there are better games on other systems
>>321675940
because retards think you gotta blow 1000 dollars to get a system that beats a console which is 100% false
>>321671680
this
>>321671116
You still have the entire rural america to drag the IQ down. Hell urban nigz aren't the ones petitioning to teach in schools that the earth is 6000 years old.
Divegrass Simulators
>>321675332
>If you look at countries which communism infected
Being that there have never been any countries ''infected'' by communism, you are again calling an apple ''orange''.
For example, socialism-democracy started in germany as a ''communist'' movement, but said party in Portugal is anything but, being that it's the epidemy of corruption and fascism. So stop being brainwashed by the fucking media, story has proved that there has never been communism, and quite frankly, there'll never be, simply because mankind is too retarded to achieve such greatness. Any kind of oppression signifies that there is no communism (which comes from the word ''community'')
>>321675861
Holy shit kek
>>321673749
>How do people not realize they are literally holding back the gaming industry and preventing it from evolving into a higher standard for my personal enjoyment?
im happy to be doing this
>70-90%
Yeah and xbox has 1-100% :^)
>>321675991
and you think that will convince them?
>>321675159
>Nintendo is adamant about creating new ideas
Nintendo is going through a confused period. They don't seem to have any really clear idea about where they want to go or what they want to be. They could "create new ideas" just in terms of their IPs by supplying the best, most refined focused hardware they could to run them really well, without any distracting, expensive gimmickry. Nintendo's software guys do amazing stuff even when there an entire gen or more behind everyone else with hardware, do you think they'd somehow do worse if given way more resources to work with?
>Whether the ideas are good or not is subjective.
If we're talking about you or me in particular, yes it's subjective. But if we're talking about overall then no, it's not. At the end of the day these companies are not government funded charities and they do in fact have to make money or they're done. If enough of the overall market thinks an idea is not good, then that's objective reality and companies have to respond or cease to exist.
>There's nothing wrong with software development. It is possible to have both.
But not necessarily without compromises. There is only so much budget to go around, and not all spending will have an equal ROI. The market has shown it'll only support consoles with maybe a max launch price of $500, and $400 is a lot better. That places a pretty hard cap on what can go in there, and it cannot be changed for the entire gen, which in turn creates hard overall limits on what can be done with software. There is significant calculation that has to happen in terms of what is going to be prioritized. Jack of all trades and all that.
>>321676113
yes because I literally proved and provided a system that is superior to a PS4 in every way based on hardware
>>321674687
Fucking this. What's the point of a PS4 again besides muh exclusives?
>>321672726
>if it's not exclusives, it's not games
When you retards will understand, the majority of mainstream gamers don't care for pc as a gaming platform - they buy a 300 bucks machine to enjoy their GTAV, COD, FIFA and occasional exclusives which is a bonus PC doesn't offer
>>321675281
>Implying we can't control our own nature
That's one of our biggest strengths. If you are controlled solely by your own impulses, maybe you should off yourself instead.
>>321676198
you think you're the first one to do that?
some people just don't want to believe it mayne
>>321675854
Are your parents brother and sister or are you having such a hard time following a conversation by default?
The question is why does the vidya need these barebone PC's for illiterates in the first place?
Of course that's 3 steps ahead of where you'll ever be and it's pointless to talk to you at all.
> >>321668773 posts fact about Sony spying on customers
> >>321670840 tries to refute it by posting sales like a fucking shill
All you've proven is that Yuropoors are fucking idiots.
>>321673749
look at this faggot
>>321676393
maybe because they're retarded
>>321674789
I can afford a gaming PC but my interest in gaming doesn't end with me buying software or platforms. PC is killing the gaming industry just like mobile gaming is, I care about developers and games we could get in the future and understand how PC is directly fucking that up by recruiting more people to their side. When everybody is on PC and the only AAA games are shitty multiplats is the day PC wins and is exactly what the industry is being pushed to because of PC users. Sony is literally saving video games right now.
>>321668195
>70%-90%
so basically 70% from an unbaised site that wont inflate numbers of their favorite console
>>321670910
>but it didn't actually compromise the console either.
Oh come on anon, my 6 year old ps3 controller's battery last 1 hour more than the ps4 controller, that fucking light even at the lowest brightness drains the battery life like Zoe Quinn drains journo sperm
>>321673749
>4k monitor at 140hz
Except that doesn't exist.
Murrifats only buy Xboners because of brand loyalty, not any particular quality.
Good little sheep.
News at 11.
>>321676326
This, we are no different than monkeys if we can't overcome our nature.
>>321676448
and you can't change that
>>321668976
Anyone remember that collectors edition Dew and Doritos that came with either CoD or the Xbone?
>>321675635
I don't see A and AA titles today.
Now it's AAA or indie.
>>321675891
PC wins by default when looking at the hardware, because it's limitless, son. Are you american? You seem to be quite the idiot.
>>321668195
>How the FUCK do they do it /v/?
This isn't news, they've had it for a while. They've already taken advantage of the monopoly too; they jacked up the price for PSN saying it was to accomodate for "severe" economic inflation.
>>321669075
People don't care about first party, it's the reason why Nintendo is doing so badly on big console market. It's not rocket science
>>321676395
>tries to refute it by posting sales like a fucking shill
Look at this retard and laugh.
>>321676394
>The question is why does the vidya need these barebone PC's for illiterates in the first place?
See
>>321675512
&
>>321672804
Consoles are needed, that are incredibly more important and vital to the industry and actually directly fund game development instead of spew elitism from the sidelines about outperforming consoles running multiplats.
>>321676326
>>321676514
nobody will accept communism you jobless neets
classism is huge, people believe they deserve more than others especially when they're doing a skilled job. It'll never work.
>>321675939
But your point is right. There's no reason to build a rig when the best PC games will run on laptops with no sweat. Even XCOM 2 is going to run on this piece of shit, why would I build a PC to play up rezzed shitty western multipats when I don't even buy them in the first place? I can already play the good shit.
>>321676642
Actually it's kinda the other way around with Nintendo. People who own Nintendo consoles don't buy many third party games for whatever reason. It's been like that since the Gamecube. While the WiiU has a way higher attach rate than the PS4 or Xbone right now, those people buying all those games are mostly only buying Nintendo games.
>>321676573
Why do people put such a huge thing about AAA titles? The last AAA title to come out was Fallout4 and the game is so beyond AAA quality its a fucking pipe dream. In reality AAA is a fucking buzzword where some big developer blows a big load of money making a game, cheesing it and shitting it up and when it comes out its all buggy as fuck and lacks content. You'd think the more money you blow on a game the higher quality it'd be. That it'd actually play 1080p 60fps on consoles. That it'd be nearly bug free, that it'd have a huge load of quality based content around it.
What's a better game? Blops 3 or Battlefront?
I heard they're both shit.
>>321676579
The more powerful hardware still does not allow you to play games like Bayonetta, Bloodborne, XCX, Catherine, Ninja Gaiden 2, RDR and so on.
Also, I'm almost certain I have a pc better than yours, and you are just a salty nigger as described
>>321675405
You are 15 at best stop posting. This is not even a 400 build >>321674574
>>321674478
I really wish you faggots would label what these games are.
>>321676885
Depends on what type of fps experience you enjoy.
>>321676971
>my exclusives are only ones that matter
>I'm gonna ignore the hundreds of thousands of exclusives on PC from the last 30 years. They don't count because it defeats my narrative
>>321675267
I didn't feel shafted by my 360, but I don't see any reason to have an xbone. I have ps4, wii-u, and pc. I can play just about anything I want to on those 3. I chose ps4 over the xbone for a multitude of reasons and haven't regretted that decision once.
>>321675512
>This exactly, people like to thin that because multiplats are on other platforms it cancels them out, then are all surprised when thats not the case.
Yeah, this has always been one of /v/'s weird blindnesses that I've never understood. If every single platform is identical, then sure, a multiplat isn't really an advantage by itself. However, if one platform has an exploitable advantage, then multiplats become an advantage for it too. That can be in terms of sheer power (like the PS4 vs Bone) or other factors. And then network effects come into play too because many vidya might be "multiplat" but that doesn't always mean that mutliplayer is CROSSplat. Merely being popular can be an advantage all by itself even for multiplats.
>>321676316
Seriously. Even talking Amerikka alone (let alone yurop/japan), which is the center of the PC universe obviously, PC penetration maxed out around 70-80%. Meanwhile TVs are at more like 97% (statistically insignificant difference from total saturation). Of that 70-80%, most of them are notebooks (they took over that majority of marketshare like 7 years ago), and of the desktops most are not gaming PCs.
We can look down on them and talk about cost/benefit all we want but objectively speaking there is and remains a huge market for a better-then-mobile non-PC vidya system. SOMEBODY is going to serve that market.
>>321676885
Battlefront suffers from a severe lack of content
My roommate was playing Blops 3 the other day and it looks solid, but I'm not really into CoD
>>321675018
>the PS4 can't do anything a PC do
It can run Arkham Knight
>>321677145
Yeah, only 80% of those exclusives are toaster-tier literally everyone can play.
>>321677145
The last time a PC exclusive required something above a toaster level was Crysis in 2007 and unsurprisingly the sequels have been made with consoles as the leading platforms since then.
>>321676859
Never said it was a game deserving their price tag.
Now AAA is based on their budget alone.
That said, jap games that are not AAA like MGSV how are classified?
>>321676885
Blops3 at least has a campaign and co-op mode.
>>321676673
Just might be, but that will only lead to our extinction, you can bet on that.
>muh I deserve lots of money for having an oil company
>global warming? lol faggots gtfo I'm rich
>implying you won't die the same as everyone else
>but I deserved more than others, muh skills muh job
>>321676821
>People who own Nintendo consoles don't buy many third party games for whatever reason.
>Look worse than the competition.
>Comes out later than the competition for full price.
>Gimped multiplayer in comparison to the competition.
>Usually no special content or attraction to make that version worth owning.
I wonder why?
>>321677317
which was a bullshit attempt by WB to make a cash grab
they'll never make a PC port again knowing they can't rip of their clientele
>>321677145
But you don't need expensive hardware to play those games just a laptop
>>321674641
erm mods?
>>321676510
>why did you buy a wiiu?
>1. because it's fun
Holy shit, it's really hilarious to see a reason like thisand fucking sad. It kinda makes me cry.
>>321676821
>Actually it's kinda the other way around with Nintendo.
No it's not, WiiU is not supposed to be a niche product. They can call continue to call their strategy "blue ocean", but so far it's been blue sea at beast, OHOHOHOHOHOHO. Fuck me.
>People who own Nintendo consoles don't buy many third party games for whatever reason
That's true, Ninendo has the most devoted fanbase so far, that's why their only option is exclusives.
Wii did good, but for 2 reasons: it was a cheap console and it was very, very casual. In fact it was so casual, people who have never bought a console got it. That was a blue ocean, a true success. They also have no competition on the handheld market, though if for some reason apple or other smartphone manufacturers would make a gaming push, Nintendo would not stand a chance.
>>321677145
>still can't understand the PC is a very distinct market
The overlap between consoles and PCs is a lot smaller then apparently you'd like to believe. As long as you refuse to acknowledge that reality and keep applying your own preferences to the world at large, you'll never understand any of this. Your call I guess.
>>321677428
Could also be the part where literally no one bothers putting big multiplats on the WiiU at all
>>321677507
Any laptop is a PC amirite?
oh but if its not a desktop with a mouse and separate monitor it doesn't count?
if it doesn't need a particularly powerful PC why does that discredit it as an exclusive?
>>321677421
I don't know about you but there's no fucking way some burger flipper at McDonalds deserves the same as someone with a Bachelor's/Master's degree in a STEM field.
>>321677521
>having fun is not a legitimate reason to buy and play games
Holy fuck anon could you tone down the autism a little.
Really, it just comes down to what games you want to play. If you only really play RTS and strategy games or are willing to drop more money to get better specs than consoles you're probably not going to buy a platform other than PC, there's no need to go overboard with justifying a purchase like people do on this board.
I'd buy a PS4 if Sony released a remastered Demon's Souls.
>>321676298
There is no point, the exclusives only exist because the console exists, the console only exists because the exclusives do.
it's simple really, but have fun trying to get some sense into 4chan /V past 06. 15 year old dudebros that don't know shit about anything.
>>321677629
>missing the point entirely
>>321676395
>Countries are ranked highest to lowest national IQ score.
>by posting sales like a fucking shill
American education everyone.
>>321677749
>I can't read between the lines
Come one man, he was nostalgic
>>321677774
Exactly. The consoles ONLY have their exclusives to rely on, more and more of which are being shared with the Xbox and/or the PC markets because developers know that they can make more money off of a wider audience than a narrow one.
>>321677801
nigga you don't have a point
>MUH PS4 EXCLUSIVES!
>PC has way more exclusives
>b-b-but those don't count because you can play them on a toaster!
>>321677391
There isn't a campaign mode at all in Star Wars?
What's the fucking point?
>>321674234
>weebshit and third party
Ok
>>321677635
That's not the point, why does that difference exist first of all? Because the world is corrupt, and doesn't give the same opportunities to everyone, because you can bet that if it did we'd have a much bigger IQ overall as a being.
>>321677981
That's what I've been asking about Battlefront EA since it's announcement. They did nothing that would have made the game great. They included nothing that fans wanted. They ignored what made the old ones great and just shit out a game for money. That was the point, they wanted more money.
>>321677591
>Could also be the part where literally no one bothers putting big multiplats on the WiiU at all
Probably because most wouldn't work at all or wouldn't be worth the expense to try to downgrade enough and use Wii U's special gimmick given the minuscule installed base. Nintendo is the only one left with a "new" console that's not x86, has last gen performance, and insists on devs going to extra special effort for their platform.
>>321676669
>Consoles are needed, that are incredibly more important and vital to the industry and actually directly fund game development instead of spew elitism from the sidelines about outperforming consoles running multiplats.
Do you even know what the term "sense" means? Directly fund game development? when? Where? Post fucking examples, for every example you may pull out of your ass I can give you 20 where they simply bought devs to make their game exclusive for their shitbox to sell a shitbox.
Hardware manufactures help game development too, and always have, but then again if you make a decent game and not only sell it to a quarter of the fucking market you don't need "help". Stop fucking posting, and dont you fucking dare to cry now you little shit.
>>321677981
Gotta buy that 50$ season pass
>>321677946
No the point is that every console owner can play 90% of pc exclusives on their toasters, while you can't play console exclusives even if you have a 1000$ pc.
Are you a mentally challenged person to understand that or just shitposting at this point?
>>321678186
>Probably because most wouldn't work
Well yeah a lot of em barely work on the PS4/Xbone, or even the shoddy PC ports, as it is
>>321677946
Virtually everyone has a toaster. I do. Does that mean I'm PC master race? I didn't know that until now.
>>321678175
>why does that difference exist first of all?
job market supply and demand
>Because the world is corrupt
No because flipping burgers is effortless work, being any sort of engineer requires understanding of a field of knowledge
>doesn't give the same opportunities to everyone
Literally Life is Unfair: The Post
>>321678092
>stop liking what I don't like
>3rd party support is now a bad thing
>>321678215
Not him, but Sony funded Street Fighter V which is coming out on PC, same with MS and Tomb Raider
Hello 4chan.
In what era would you like the next big FPS game to be in?
Please answer via this poll and feel free to discuss: http://strawpoll.me/6364779
Best regards!
>>321668195
ITT: PC is not a console
>>321678239
You realize that most home computers and laptops don't have dedicated GPU's or even remotely powerful iGPU's beyond HD2000 right? So no, unless you own a laptop from the last 4 years, you couldn't play the massive library of PC games. Not including all the emulate-able games such as PS2, NGC, handheld emulators and what not.
You are mentally challenged to think your console holds anything over a PC beyond some exclusives as if thats somehow a tipping point but lets ignore a huge list of PC exclusives because that defeats your narrative.
I'd like to see you play Stalker without a real GPU, I'd like to see you play any MMO from the last 15 years without a mildly powerful laptop.
>>321678291
life is not unfair, maybe nature is, but anything that is controlled by humans can only be called corrupt, and I know it is hard for you murifat capitalists to accept that, because if you didn't you'd be losing everything you ''have''. Keep being brainwashed.
>>321678480
all your options suck
>>321678576
>well no system is perfect!
yes that is the human flaw. "nature" is not fair either. Stop thinking you're somehow better off in a different system because "lifes not fair"
Keep being an edgy 15 year old, grow up and find a niche in the world you want to do that gives you what you want.
No one said capitalism was perfect, and life not being fair is not a magical argument that defeats it because if that were the case you'll find no fair societies in the world at all ever
>>321676146
>Nintendo's software guys do amazing stuff even when there an entire gen or more behind everyone else with hardware
This is a really good point on how choosing to design new ways to play games can be objectively flawed. >>321677591 is an example. The hardware is too different and perhaps difficult to work with. What's the point of putting some high def fps on a console that can barely run it with some awkward controller. The Wii U's failure can also be used as an example of consumers not being interested enough in new ways to play games. I only rarely hear people say "it's great playing your console game while the tv is being used for something else" for the wii u's pad capabilities or "I can just ask my xbone through voice command to start playing music and boot up my game while I'm in the kitchen "
I'm guessing they were the initial thought processes the designers went through when creating these console experiences. But people don't care. They just want games at high specs. If we keep going in this direction, consoles will become obsolete because what's the point if you can just use a PC. That's what I was trying to say.
However it's all just theoretical.
>>321678480
>http://strawpoll.me/6364779
Feudal Japan or china.
Can we please be creative and fresh for once every 15 years?
>>321678480
I want an FPS with a Nazi as a main hero.
>>321677591
Because when they did no one bought them. The features were worse, they were delayed out the ass, and even Zombie U, which was a launch title mind you, didn't garner enough attention for Ubisoft to even bother continuing. EA stayed away because of that whole Origin deal going sour, who knows what Squeenix is doing, Konami is dead, Ubisoft made third party games but they either released way later or were absolute garbage on the Wii U, and the little guys basically just make bad indie games with the few diamonds here and there.
It's very easy to see why third parties stayed away, no one wanted them and even the ones that did couldn't recoup the costs of releasing it.
>>321678548
>GAMES is the only thing msking a gaming system worth it
Just fuck off already, you retard. Like I said, I probably have a better PC than you are, yet I don't restrict myself only to it because I actually like videogames and not a salty autist like yourself. Also, in what shithole do you even live if it's normal for people to have buckets instead od PCs?
Why are Pkeks so aggressive on this board? Without a doubt they do the most shitposting. It's not rocket science why the PS4 is successful and the competitors are not, in fact it's very obvious. But /v/ will continue to cry and shitpost and try and invent new memes to go against the console for the stupidest reasons. Let it go.
>>321678778
>le edgy meme
It's only the human flaw because the people in power rather have it than seeing their race evolve, since when does money matter more than life? Is finding a cure for cancer ''not worth it'' because cancer treatments, as they are today, are more profitable? See, that's where you are inferior, and can't see things in the bigger picture, just like the majority of mankind, which is doomed to cease existing.
>>321678778
Not him, but you are in no position to talk down to the lad. You are merely a part of the problem by what I read here. You are in your mid 20's and you think you got it all figured out. You are not even scratching the surface son.
>grow up and find a niche in the world you want to do that gives you what you want.
In other words roll over and give up. Sorry little man, I rather try getting some sense into this god forsaken species before I roll over.
>>321678548
>getting this desperate
>>321679309
Exactly, where the majority would rather live and die on their knees, I'd rather see myself dying tomorrow defending what I believe is right, unlike the sheep herd that is mankind as a whole.
>>321668195
The xbone caters to Americans m8, there's all that American cable tv connection and handegg shit
>>321677521
That's depressing af. Thanks for letting me notice.
How far have we come.
>>321671556
All countries have their own share of dummies, both native and imported
>>321678239
>every console owner can play 90% of pc exclusives on their toasters,
ahahaha what? The fuck are you smoking little man?
>>321669389
Europe is a continent m8 where do you live? UK here and everyone has a PS4
>>321668195
People like who grew on Playstation bought the new system, plus most of the people look up to Sony like a god or savior for the previous gens and for one most of their favorite games were started on the Playstation so they happen to stay loyal to the company. Kinda sad though since Sony happens to have major flaws. XBox may be a shitty console but their got some good shit as far as upcoming/exclusive games also backwards compatibility.I guess in short people believe Sony is right and they are capable of doing everything and will stay in the lead. I mean just look at E3, KH3 isn't exclusive, FF15 isn't exclusive,FF7 RE isnt exclusive and I doubt Shenmue is going to be exclusive to PS4; yet everyone says they won E3. However performance wise Sony is better than Xbox.
>>321669389
>live in europe
>no one wanted to buy a next gen console
>everyone built gaming PCs to replace their aging PS3
>>321679171
Your mom is a stinking whore.
Not even kidding that, fucking hag has such a dirty fucking asshole it's disgusting.
>>321678867
>The Wii U's failure can also be used as an example of consumers not being interested enough in new ways to play games
No, it can't. That's my point. Again, you are conflating "new ways to play" with "new, GOOD ways to play" or perhaps "new, good ways to play that don't also compromise on something else I consider a higher priority." The immense interest shown in areas like VR or 3d controls certainly indicate there is plenty of interest in new things. But IMPLEMENTATION is ultimately the absolutely core key thing, and that's something I've noticed a lot of tech people have major trouble understanding. Two devices can have the same specs and "feature list", but one can suck ass while the other doesn't. One of those old Windows CE phones or Palm's from the early 00s could be said to have a "touch screen" and a "browser", just like an iPhone or Android have a "touch screen" and a "browser", but there was still a massive gulf in terms of actual usability.
>If we keep going in this direction, consoles will become obsolete because what's the point if you can just use a PC.
Nope. Consoles have never been about unique hardware gimmicks at the core. The core is the appliance aspect: they are a fixed hardware target. Neither developers nor users ever have to worry about hardware changes, it'll be the same the entire gen. There is never a question of compatibility. There are no drivers or support tasks to worry about. Etc etc. No matter what the internals or interface, "general purpose" vs "appliance focused" will always result in different tradeoffs. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Consoles will only become obsolete to the extent that the entire foundation changes completely (like when wearable computing matures and the whole "home hardware" thing itself becomes moot).
>tfw just got my PS4 uncharted bundle
Time for all these jap games damn nigga.
>>321668195
Sony always wins, baby. Sony always wins.
>>321679857
look its simple really microsoft and nintendo made sony look good
wiiu had fuck all 3rd party support and exclusive its first year making its year head-start void and microsoft presented american television to the world as its main selling point of the console despite the presentation being watched globally in addition to DRM and no focus on games
they gave sony the win simple as that no matter what any PCcuck sonygger nintendrone or xbot says that is the fact
>>321679857
>People like who grew on Playstation bought the new system
Objectively retarded. This was already covered in this thread: the PS3 sold nearly 80 million less then the PS2, and a good 20+ million less then the PS1 even. If "muh nostalgia" or "mindless drones" was so accurate the PS3 wouldn't have been such a debacle. In fact we see what we expect: the market behaving reasonably rationally.
>plus most of the people look up to Sony like a god or savior for the previous gens
See above. You have proposed a hypothesis wherein Sony gets sales because of previous gens. So explain the PS3.
>cherry picking a few titles
This means nothing, would work equally either direction.
TL;DR There is no need for these barebone PC's for illiterates anymore.
A true /v/irgin would think about the vidya and consumer first, and from that point of view consoles simply don't have a point anymore.
>same x86 architecture
>same hardware, just "capped" at low end already
You kids simply won't let yourself see the obvious solution because, let's face it, you are kids.
>>321669618
>i cant retort the anons good counterpoint so i will pretend he is a shill as to not hurt my feelings
>>321680641
>>consoles simply don't have a point anymore.
>complains about "kids"
>doesn't have the slightest understanding of normal people or the generalized-vs-specialized tradeoff
You may technically be an adult anon but in terms of mental development you're a child or an autist (not that either is surprising on this board).
>>321680639
Still sold more after the first few years of the launch
>>321669389
France.
Can confirm that no one has ever heard of Xbox and even call it "Playstation".
>>321680138
>Nope. Consoles have never been about unique hardware gimmicks at the core.
Except Consoles were always about pushing technology at the same time. Not about the best cash grab.
Besides times change and things change, and how we consume changes.
The industry is going in the direction of 1 platform solutions, and in the end of the day this will not be a console, at least I hope to god it won't.
Modern consoles are closed-platform limited-functionality computers, deliberately constructed to be bad for the sake of being able to exploit the users better. There is no technical justification for preventing the user from accessing functionality they're technically capable of (ie. everything you can do with a computer) or breaking compatibility with publicly available operating system distributions (or, even if some compatibility-breaking changes can be technically justified, in making compatibility more troublesome to achieve than it needs to be or not making this improved operating system available for the public).
>How the FUCK do they do it /v/?
hipsters and moms need their netflix machines
>>321680963
Nice buzzwords there sugartits. Which college teaches you to talk a lot and say nothing?
>>321680154
Holy fuck, are you a nigger? Give that console back you disgusting thief
>>321679571
Well, to be honest, that's not much surprising or something, remembering how many PS2s were sold as a DVD player, it's rather became too obvious that not many people would want just a gaming device anymore.
>>321680981
You mean, after Sony realized what a blunder they'd made and were utterly bombing and began trying to salvage the situation? That's a rational market at work anon, if a company successfully manages to make something cheaper and more compelling they'd normally get some response. Yet after working hard the entire rest of the gen they still could only barely reach 50% of the sales of the previous gen. Still not seeing how that supports the idea that it's all just drones.
>>321673442
This, it's mainly nostalgia for the PS2, every kid in my neighborhood owned a PS2.
>>321680963
Honest question, do you fuck your Playstation? Or maybe sit on it? Also are you by chance american and just utterly retarded?
>>321680963
>Doesn't address points made
>simply can't follow a conversation
Spot the amerifail: the post
>>321680138
>Consoles have never been about unique hardware gimmicks at the core.
yes they have
BLAST PROCESSING is an early example
Rob the robot
light gun for home use
all dem funky controllers
all the add-ons
PS1 played cds and had tons of peripherals
PS2 played dvds
PS3 played blu-rays, incorporated eye-toy and motion sensing
Dreamcast had online play
Nintendo had tons of shit for gimmicks
all had them to make their console seem more interesting
>>321681834
PS4 has a touchpad, share feature, communities, trophies, sixaxis, PlayStation VR, and most importantly good exclusive games.
>>321668901
It seems you made the mistake of calling the Playstation the "PSX"
It's okay, it's a common mistake among ignorant people. You see, during development time the Playstation was referred to inside Sony as the PSX much the same as Windows Vista was known as "Windows Longhorn" during development. However after release the final product is actually named Playstation just like Longhorn became Vista. You don't hear anyone say Longhorn just as no one says PSX, because it's inherently incorrect. In fact, a later device was released by Sony actually called the PSX which has nothing to do with the first Playstation.
Please educate other ignorant people if you come across them by sharing this information and stopping the spread of stupidity. Thanks!
>>321681196
This
You only "need" a console because irresponsible consumers keep buying them. In fact, living room device market would be MORE competitive if you could compete based on your good hardware choices, services or interfaces as opposed to how many developers you have managed to bribe.
>>321681834
> PS1 played cds
Every CD console played CDs.
>>321681196
>Except Consoles were always about pushing technology at the same time.
No, they weren't. They merely did what they had to do. When consoles came out generalized PC hardware was ludicrously expensive and also total shit. That continued to be the case for a long time too. The appliance needs of consoles couldn't be met back then. You are confusing NECESSITY with "goal". That world though is long gone.
>The industry is going in the direction of 1 platform solutions
How do you figure? If anything we're seeing the most competitive situation in a while. You've got Apple, Microsoft, and Google at a bare minimum going in significantly divergent directions, and they are completely entrenched anon. They aren't going anywhere in the next decade at least.
>and in the end of the day this will not be a console, at least I hope to god it won't.
Were your future to happen anon, it'd be a lot more likely the result will be console-like then not because that's what most of the market would want. So you better hope you're wrong.
>Modern consoles are closed-platform limited-functionality computers, deliberately constructed to be bad for the sake of being able to exploit the users better.
No. They are constructed to hit their target market pricing, size, thermal/noise, and performance goals as a fixed appliance. That was always, always the case.
>There is no technical justification
And this is where you (like many others in tech) completely lose it. That they're restricted is not a bad thing, IT'S THE POINT. It's about economics and usability for the majority of the market. It always has been. And that role will not change just because the hardware specs does.
>>321682091
>good exclusive games
you MIGHT have one
most others are cross-gen, multiplats, or shit that requires paid online which is dogshit
>>321682131
So you're telling me to buy Fallout 4?
>>321680138
> No, it can't. That's my point
But what you just reiterated was almost similar to what I was saying. I was even agreeing with you because you gave me an example of how console hardware innovation fails because the market doesn't want it. The "console" wars and its outcome show that consumers want just games and faster processing power from their console. I guess you can say that it's because of its implementation the ideas sunk. But why would a company push for newer ideas when their competitors are better because of their specs? That's clearly where the market is. Innovation is risky, which is why Nintendo is brave to strive off it and why they're failing. Whether it's done well or not is up to the consumers.
> Consoles have never been about unique hardware gimmicks at the core
Never said that. I don't think you got my point there. I do enjoy speaking to you though, did you study this field as well?
>>321682175
yet not every one does now
>>321682175
no, the original xbox did not played cd's it was until a revision in 2002 that it was able to play cds and old models were able to get the updated via the internet to do that
>>321681567
Honest question: did you have some learning disability as a kid? What goes on in your head anon that you even think "Playstation" reading that post? The point applies to every console ever made. Or for that matter to much of the smartphone/tablet market. I never commented on whether I personally enjoyed the appliance model (I do not as it happens), but because I am not a total assburgers/autistic fag I can recognize how other humans feel too. I can also recognize objective reality. Why can't you?
>>321682163
>why oh why won't the world conform to me it makes no sense!
>if I deny reality hard enough something will happen
Amazing.
>>321682207
Quick question, on which side are you again? And remember you are posting on a board for and about vidya enthusiasts.
>>321668195
In fact, Europeans = cucks
>>321682091
>touch pad, share feature
You're not really saying they're pushing the experience with that, are you?
>>321669213
NOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS DELETE THIS
>>321681834
So like I said, none of that was the core offering. You just posted a list of add-ons, marketing, or low cost low risk gimmicks. The core offering was always the same for anything successful: a low cost, small, low-to-zero maintenance, simple vidya appliance with a large installed base (or, early on, the potential for one) and in turn a large library (or, early on, the promise of one). The ones who deviated too significantly from that did poorly. The exact MIPS CPU or whatever in any of those was irrelevant, note how you didn't list specs there. What separated them from a PC was the purpose and focus not the raw components. That'll be the same in the future until the entire discussion is obsoleted.
>>321668195can anyone tell me how "console market share" works, when most of my friends have multiple consoles?
sure i dont have a ps4, but i do have a ps3. so do i count for "sony's market share"? but i also have a wiiu, so do i also count for nintendo's?
>>321683061
Who is that anime girl on the cover?
>>321682623
>roll over and die!
And then there is this piece of shit
Also spot the marketing major mid 20's fuckup that thinks being part of the problem is the best thing ever.
You got absolutely nothing on me, son.
>>321682131
> You don't hear anyone say Longhorn just as no one says PSX, because it's inherently incorrect.
Well, go fuck yourself, PSX is a common shortening for the first Playstation which was used and will be used to distinct the first Playstation among others. In fact, no one cares much about the actual "PSX", since it was Japanese-only and pretty limited.
>>321682287
You forgot to cover all your bases with "weebshit" anon. Your post still boils down to the tired
>there are no exclusives, except for those ones but I don't like them so they don't count!
Ok?
>>321668195
Lots of stupid people with an excess of money.
Pretty obvious
>Xbox one-Just a slightly less powerful ps4 with a terrible GUI and shitty exclusives
>Wii U-console that is already dead in the water with only two future games coming out for it (one of them still up in the air)
Sony is pounding pink and there is no stopping them.
>>321669213
Old news. Again, it is ok when sony does it.
>>321683393
Give it 2 more years grandpa. By then all the rest of the idiots still holding on to this deprecated term will phase out. Including you.
>>321682623
The problem with amerifails is that they are so eloquent at being wrong. They can talk all day from all angles while being a mile away from the actual point. There is just communication possible. IRL I would've stomped your fat pimply face into the curb by now.
Have a good one and praise the lord our savior and may the rapture commeth and so on.
>>321683295
>part of the problem
Yeah, and this is why you are an actual, genuine autist (or utterly self-absorbed faggot). You apparently literally cannot comprehend how anyone else can have different preferences then you for perfectly good reasons. You elevate your personal tastes to ultimate importance and either ignore or don't even understand anything else. And then you think you'll actually be able to change anything of significance, ever, when you don't even understand what the need is in the first place. I hope someday you can grow a bit though I won't be holding my breath.
>>321683268
ME!ME!ME!
>>321668195
picrelated
>>321683683
>i-if t-this was real I-I'd totally beat you! ur dum and fat too!!!
Hahaha oh wow. I don't need to make impotent threats because I'm right and we live in a capitalist market-based society. So ultimately the world is not going to cooperate with you and there is nothing you can do about it but post angrily online. Thank Adam Smith that your retarded ilk have zero actual ability to influence anything. Enjoy the coming few decades anon, I certainly will be :^)
eurocucks think the PS4 has "Japanese technology" when it's really 90% american technology
the only thing Japanese about the PS4 is the plastic case, which was probably made in china anyways
even the operating system is based on an american made OS (freeBSD)
>>321668415
if you're european there's a good chance your government gives your data over to the NSA anyways, Xbone or not
>>321679857
>and I doubt Shenmue is going to be exclusive to PS4
I might be remembering wrong but I think it was already confirmed PS4/PC
>>321684319
pretty much this.
>>321669213
Nothing in that image indicates he's a sonygger.
Jesus, you people are desperate.
>>321668195
brand loyalty, meme perception, being taught a lesson last gen.
>>321685141
>being this mad on jews
>>321674234
I'll be frank with you.
I have ps4 and only 5 games on that entire list look decent.
Those being
>SF V
>Horizon Zero Dawn
>No man's sky
>Fire watch
>shadow of the beast
>>321669273
Who is this qt3.14 redhead and why is she with this fatass?
>>321685141
>>321685793
>>321686081
nice original meme
>>321668195
By being best
>>321672143
They probably wanted to target a different demographic sure. But they fucked it up by not having enough come out, and NoJ continues to fuck it up by not reigning in these retards at the Treehouse fucking everything up.
>>321685793
I don't even have a PS4.
>>321668195
>ps4 having most market share is good for the industry
correct, just look at the ps2, games continued to pump out until long after they should have stopped and started focusing on the ps3.
>xbox one having most market share is good for the industry
incorrect, look at Microsoft during the 90's they had most market share and crippled the PC industry to what it was, Piracy would not have been as intense if Microsoft hadn't ripped off their consumers so badly.
Weren't alive in the 90's like most of /v/? then look at the 360 after 2009 when they believed they had defeated sony, they went full retard stopped making games and made shitty Kinect.
>nintendo having complete market share is good for the industry.
This one is interesting because on one hand you have nintendo of the 80's fucking over every game dev to the point they wanted to give up making games, but on the other hand we have the Wii where they continuned to pump out great games.
>pc having most market share
they already fucking do.
>b-b-but mac
Top kek.
>>321686223
>>321686239
>getting this triggered by the truth
What's the matter /pol/, not a big enough Safe Space for you? /v/ isn't culturally sensitive to your oppression?
Anybody got any good place where they have a wintersale on the PS4 for the european market?
>>321685141
>McDonald's!
That was definitely Xbone and kinect, bro.
>>321686607
/vp/ stop embarrassing yourself
>>321685707
>only 5 games on that entire list look decent.
>>SF V
>SFV
>decent
Stop posting any time.
>>321686607
everyone gets what youre saying and everyone agrees, but dont bother arguing with a /pol/ack.
if you own a console over the age of 21 you are probably still a NEET
>>321668195
In the shitty eastern European place I live in there's essentially 0 advertising or marketing for consoles. Xbone is the same shit but with slower hardware, unless you're a fanboy for some Xbone exclusive, there's no reason to get one. The default choice is PS4 if you're looking for a console and aren't biased.
Consoles are extremely rare here though, I don't know a single person IRL that owns anything resembling a modern console. In fact, the only consoles I know a lot of people had were crappy NES clones 2 decades ago. I have a PS3, but that's it. Everyone who is interested in games plays on PC.
>>321686040
Please respond
>>321687224
who dis doe
>>321687192
>In fact, the only consoles I know a lot of people had were crappy NES clones 2 decades ago
And Megadrives
>>321687383
Not where I live. There were some, yeah, but they were rare as fuck.
>>321687224
I'm gonna need a source on this anon!
