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>shit drivers
>shit hardware
>trying to turn PC into consoles with exclusivity bullshit that is ruining gaming
Why do people use Nvidia? The entire company is scum.
>>321414391
>shit drivers
that would be amd, when they actually relase some drivers
>shit hardware
lmao each amd equivalent is bigger, heavier, uses like triple the power and runs twice as hot, making it's fans sound like a fucking jet
>trying to turn PC into consoles with exclusivity bullshit that is ruining gaming
you should blame devs for that you moron and even then why would devs care about amd when they have such small share of the market?
they are basically dead at this point
>>321414391
Excuse me, but it would seem that you mistakenly described the AMD cards, while showing the picture of Nvidia's logo.
>>321414391
Sill better than AMD.
>>321414391
moshi moshi betu desu~~
The world is filled with good goys.
Nothing else to it.
>>321414580
they release 3 updates in single month u god damn degenerate and even today i got new driver update today
>>321414391
the only bad thing about them is pushing proprietary shit that literally no one cares about and charging a premium for it
>waterworks
>flex
>shadow
no one at all gives a fuck about these things beyond trying to justify their purchase of a card with gimped RAM
>>321414580
Jesus, are getting payed for this. I knew /v/ was full of shills but this is abnormal
>>321414863
yes because they fucked up even more this time with crimson and somehow managed to stop fans spinning which is amazing
>>321415320
>shills
lmao the only people that buy amd are poorfaggot thirdworlders, if you play games on amd hardware you are a joke my friend
>>321415320
>stating facts = shilling
stay mad, AMD fag.
>>321415429
>yes because they fucked up even more this time with crimson and somehow managed to stop fans spinning which is amazing
Yeah its almost like Nvidia isn't guilty of doing the same fucking thing before too.
Nice bait
>>321415126
Pretty much.
The fact it offers CUDA is a deal breaker though. Its probably impossible to pick AMD if youre doing 3D work. Nvidia CUDA rendering is a deal breaker to get NVIDIA card, otherwise i couldnt give a shit.
>>321414391
Because AMD runs like shit and my purchase won't change a thing.
>almost 2016
>STILL married to brands
>>321415737
Instead I married you because I've always known you were my true love anon.
You are the most beautiful thing that has ever happened in my life and I want to share my entire life with you.
>>shit drivers
GTX 970 here, clocked at 1519mhz and 3905Mhz memory on Windows 10, bought almost on release day one more than one year ago.
The only problems I've had where one where Firefox/Chrome would crash with hardware acceleration enabled but was fixed relatively fast, this was from the change to Windows 10, it hit AMD and Intel too.
No other problems, no crash.
Check your PC because the problem is obviously your machine.
>>321415813
oh..
>>321415813
I wish someone would tell me this.
>>321415997
shit drivers are a meme
both companies have had functional drivers for the last few years. unless you are a retard and using beta drivers.
>>321415445
I always find this funny. At /g/ for example you have daily amd shilling threads and people build these gigantic essays to try to defend this failing company. There was a guy that did a fucking 17 minutes speech once in a vocaroo link to shill amd. Then when the cold hard truth hits them in the face, they start memeing the fuck out to damage control. The crimson drivers that killed gpus for example, I have never seen so much damage control in my life.
With amd fanboys it's never here or now, it's always somewhere in a distant future with a lot of ifs. I keep hearing this exact same bullshit since before even the fucking bulldozer and they haven't delivered fucking ONCE.
The sad thing is that these people aren't even shills because amd doesn't have money. They literally do it for free. But I'm not surprised, after all, the first sympton of poorfaggotry is post-purchase rationalization. That is why amdfags have to constantly zealot this turd of a company and bash competition to feel good about their purchases.
Bunch of mouthbreathing lunatics.
>>321414391
Sorry that you got AMD
>>321415429
>if you have some shadow of sense you're a thirld wolder
lol keep buying those 3.5 cards and letting them fuck you in the ass, I bet if they had a 0.5 DLC you'd get it
>>321416320
>actively buying inferior hardware
>"sense"
Do amdfags think they're changing the world or something? That they are being politically engaged or that their single purchase will mean fuck all to anything?
This teenager way of thinking is hilarious. Just admit that you are poor and be done with it. Nobody is buying your shit m8.
>>321416103
I can tell you to this and mean it. You into guys?
I want to buy AMD but the last time I did, it had trouble playing 3D games. That was a decade ago though but I really felt bad getting burned like that. Never had a problem with Nvidia aside from their cards dying after 4-6 years or so.
>>321416469
I like AMD to succeed because it drives Nvidia cards' prices down.
>>321416545At this point, I no longer care.
>>321414391
Nvidia is pretty shit but I don't see why AMD users get so asshurt. They're constantly complaining about Nvidia being better than AMD, having their own closed source software that their competitors don't and it's unfair.
What's stopping AMD from developing their own graphical enhancements? Why is it every time Nvidia offers to sell AMD their technologies AMD says no? Why do people continue to buy AMD to save 50 bucks and deal with significantly more problems?
I honestly don't understand why retards buy inferior hardware from them and then whine about optional shit they can't use.
>>321415997
For some reason, my drivers kept crashing on Windows 10 when browsing the Web. I thought it was just windows 10 being ass or maybe my gtx 770 was dying or something. Didn't know it was due to hardware acceleration
>>321415997
Windows 10 doesn't do a single thing right. I tried it once. Never again.
Fucking disgraceful piece of a shitty OS.
>>321416469
Price performance is a thing. I just buy whatever fits my budget and has the best performance, no matter the brand
I'm sure you Titan X runs LoL really well
>>321416312
This exactly.
Been running Nvidia's for 12 years now, no issues. Meanwhile, 3 friends of mine have grilled 5 Radeons, and/or suffered various compatibility issues, that even some super low-end Nvidias didn't have.
>>321416603
Where do you live? How old are you? Tell me about yourself. This is a date, anon.
I think I heard somewhere that they also have made developers put in shit code that specifically makes other video cards run worse for no good reason. Also, sometimes their newer, more expensive cards have not even performed better or only insignificantly better than previous cards.
They are pretty much a dick/evil company. But they got that monopoly so...
>>321414391
And yet still better than AMD
AMD AND AMDPOORFAGS ARE THE BIGGEST SCUM OF THE PLANET, TRYING TO SLANDER GREAT COMPANIES LIKE NVIDIA AND INTEL
>>321416630
That problem was fixed long ago, it hit evewry GPU vendor, it had to do with the new timing in Windows 10, Nvidia only took a few weeks to fix it, AMD took months, nothing compared to the change to Win8 which took Nvidia close to 6months to get it right and AMD more than one year.
Dust off your GPU, it might be dying if you are crashing.
>>321416638
It's almost the same as Win7 but more convenient.
>>321414391
>its cheaper
>its the GPU for developers. CUDA cores make rendering a blast.
Those are my main points. And there are no other options unfortunately for AMD.
>>321416732
Spain, 20.
Got pretty fit because I want to get in the army but i'm still practically a NEET, not autistic, can get along with people just fine, I just never cared enough to keep in touch with friends.
>>321416787
yeah fuck competition, both Intel and NVIDIA should have a monopoly so they can fuck your tight ass even further
>>321416787
t. goldstien
>>321415320
God forbid somebody actually tries to debate you and it's suddenly shilling.
I wonder if /v/ ever actually wants to talk about video games.
>>321416590
>I like AMD to succeed because it drives Nvidia cards' prices down.
Me too, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go out of my way and spend my hard earned money on an inferior product with worse support so I can cope with it by damage controlling online. That's not how the market works. If anything I want AMD to go down so it can get sold to someone who actually knows what they are doing instead of rewarding incompetent people. Have you seen the last thing the executives in charge of amd did? The company is on the verge of bankruptcy and what do they do? Give themselves a fat raise, of course.
I'm not gonna support these fucks.
>>321416980
AMD needs to compete harder. Theyre pissing me off how unhard theyre competing.
>>321414391
THE WAY
>>321416823
I have the gpu watercooled atm but it was still crashing the other week. When was it fixed? Either way, I went back to 8.1 and haven't had a driver crash since.
>>321417048
Don't AMD have a monopoly on the console market?
>>321417060
>playing Fallout 4
They deserve it.
if you want the best experience: you go nvidia
running on a budget: amd
its as simple as that
>>321417060
>fallout 4
It's trying to save them, anon.
>shit drivers
That's just factually wrong.
>shit hardware
Again, factually wrong.
>trying to turn PC into consoles with exclusivity bullshit that is ruining gaming
Only legitimate argument.
Step up.
first time PC builders buy AMD
second time PC builders buy nvidia
>>321414391
I bought a 780 a while ago. The ATI Radeon equivalent would have used up more power than I actually was able to supply.
>>321417152
They do, but those contracts simply don't pay enough to keep them afloat.
>>321417060
Man the 970 was really a disgrace. I don't know how anyone can defend it
>>321417060
>>321417262
Didn't they also have a monopoly last generation?
>>321417152
They do, but that does nothing for me as a PC consumer. And probably those console gpus dont sell for much in bulk for the price of a console. I need a GPU as a workhorse. For both games and applications. I wish they get the CUDA license or whatever, i think that would bring in alot of potential for new consumers to look at AMD products.
>>321414391
So bait you're not even trying
>>321417048
AMD tends to develop hardware tech that gets adapted to the entire computer landscape. Didn't they invent DDR?
They even made a new one with their latest cards.
>>321417316
Wouldn't disable those fucked up 0.5GB's make it run better?
>>321417354
ps3 used nVidia.
>>321417060
Dont get riled up about my post for it will be but an amusing jest. But..>look at AMD driver issues
>all the performance problems are NVIDIA conspiracy to keep AMD down!
>>321416936
>spain, 20 years old, fit and wants to get into the army
I live too far away so the date is cancelled, anon. Anyways, I was just kidding, I already have a boyfriend, but dude, you're fucking 20, you know fucking nothing about life and are still reeking of milk. Take my word of advice, you keep yourself fit just like you are and don't shut yourself away from people because that's only gonna bite you in the ass in the end. Humans are social creatures and we need each other to achieve things wether you like it or not. So sulk it up and go meet them. When you open yourself to people, it's when the nice surprises happen and you'll mature from that. I was just like you once but I said fuck it and challenged myself, got out of my comfort zone, I even dated fucking girls even though I clearly didn't know what the fuck I was doing but I did it anyway despite the fear just so I could better know the world and myself. And I found my boyfriend like this. He's not perfect, of course, nobody is, but at least now I'm way happier than before when I thought I was alone in the world. Plus I live in a shitty place and you live in fucking Spain. Don't waste your opportunities, anon, you're not gonna be 20 forever. You're still young, make it count.
>>321414580
GTX 970 is a great card mate.
I rate it 3.5/4 and give it a gold star of approval.
>>321417496
Oh really? I didn't know that, thanks.
>>321417532
Well, thanks for the inspired post.
It's not like I lost all hope, it's just right now I don't exactly know what to do.
>>321417060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwZcDq9xDw
read the comments
>>321417530
>>all the performance problems are NVIDIA conspiracy to keep AMD down!
Driver issues usually are user's fault, people don't know how to clean install them and it eventually breaks. I never had problems with AMD drivers because 1. I don't update right when they're released and 2. I just fucking know how to install a driver
>>321416823
>It's almost the same as Win7 but more convenient.
No it's not. It offers absolutely nothing that I already can't get from 8/8.1 and it's a hell lot more unstable, it forces updates on me that they don't even fully disclose what they are about and is a glorified spyware. This OS is a fucking joke.
>>321417665
>I need other people to function
Get a spine, nerd.
>>321417748
>Windows 10
>more unstable than 8/8.1
Ok friend
>>321414391
It's the only GPU that can do VR.
>>321417847
I function fine on my own.
I just want a girlfriend.
>Tfw fell for the AMD meme
Atricous drivers desu senpai
>>321417921
You got a hand, boy. Draw a face on it and name it. Problem fucking solved.
Pcucks really have a hate boner for exclusivity.
>>321418115
The only boner I have is for your little twink ass.
Spread your cheeks, boy, you are in for a rough night.
*unzips dick*
>>321417665
>it's just right now I don't exactly know what to do
The best thing I learned from life is just what I told you: let it surprise you. Don't ever assume you know everything because that will keep you away from actually learning anything. You're already fit, which is a great advantage over the others. All you have to do is not shut yourself out of the world and run away from people like I told you. I'm the biggest sperg there ever is, social anxiety and everything, and even I managed because I decided to challenge myself. Don't go on living feeling miserable because you haven't met the love of your life or something, you don't need it, that is merely an illusion. You've been here for 20 years already without it just fine, but you'll find it as long as you put in the effort. People who end up dating/marrying meet up completely by accident most of the time, this is why I'm telling you to never shut yourself away from others because every single day that passes by is a day full of opportunities. Don't condition yourself to think that you're nothing without a girlfriend or that you need one to survive because you're just gonna create an imaginary problem for yourself, suffer from it AND diminish your chances of actually finding one.
You're 20, you don't need to "know what to do" yet, you just need to go out and do stuff. This way you'll live and experience things. THEN you'll know what to do. Got what I'm saying? Shit's pretty much like a videogame, you don't want to rush to the final boss without having levelled up and grabbed some experience first, do you?
>>321418115
>PC ucks.
>>321414580
>that would be amd, when they actually relase some drivers
Hot meme, bro, but I need to roll back my nvidia drivers to see it properly.
>>321416736
>I think I heard somewhere that they also have made developers put in shit code that specifically makes other video cards run worse for no good reason.
New cards run some features better because they have dedicated hardware, physical silicon dedicated to the task, it's not that they gimp old cards, is that the new cars are so ahead of the race that they make old cars look really bad, you see AMD users complaining about those features even though they are meant to be used with Nvidia cards.
>They are pretty much a dick/evil company.
Every technology Nvidia has developed or bought has been offered to AMD for licensing and everytime AMD refuses to license it, then when Nvidia starts making money out of that technology AMD comes crying about how unfair Nvidia is, AMD are the real jews here, they want technology without having to pay for it, despite the fact that Nvidia invest a lot of money into them.
>built PC in october but still had to buy a graphics card
>playing Dark Souls on Intel HD Graphics while I wait for black friday
>Unlocked fps, buttery smooth with vsync enabled on control panel
>Get R9 270 and install it
>Screen tering up the ass when FPS is unlocked, enabling Vsync on Crimson control panel doesn't do shit
>Game is unplayable with locked FPS as it stutters constantly
This shit didn't happen before, what the fuck?
>>321417293
>muh cherrypicked comments hurr
meanwhile whenever a new game releases the forums are usually swarmed by amdfags crying because it doesn't work
>>321417060
>buy 2 970s instead of 1 980 they said
i'm glad i got a 980 instead, god damn
>>321418226
B-but I poop from there!
>>321418249
Oh well, i'll go on and let it all happen then, thank you.
>>321418502
Single card should always be your first choice instead of SLI.
No matter the performance, some games run like shit with two GPUs, and some might not even support SLI.
Just get one card and save yourself all the trouble.
>>321417530
>all the performance problems are NVIDIA conspiracy to keep AMD down!
This never fails to crack me up. AMD morons have their heads so up their asses they'll stay the most stupid shit, just like this guy who replied to you saying that "d-drivers issues are the user's fault!!!"
Then when nvidia releases a wonky driver they're the first ones to rile it up.
>buy AMD GPU because I'm on a budget and I hear they're better value cards
>all decent cards in my target price range are rebrand flagship cards from previous years
>have to kick my PSU budget up a notch just to accommodate it
>achieve less than 10% yields when OCing
Budget option, what a lie. Should have gone with a 970.
>>321417748
Native start menu and virtual desktops.
>>321416469
Actually, with the current lineup, Nvidia is the one who basically selling you an inferior product.
Maxwell GPU is a low-powered version of Kepler and it was done by reducing resource sharing and split the block, effectively crippling the gpu when it comes to pure hardware resource management.
In order to circumvent it, Nvidia optimize the resource flow through the driver.
Which is why GTX7xx series doesn't get as much attention due to the massive amount of work needed for Maxwell optimization.
Which is also why Maxwell perform poorly on dx12 massive drawcall feature that require a lot of raw, hardware level power.
>>321418570
Not today senpai, we are going in rough and dry.
>>321416469
>inferior hardware
>better performance for the same price
???
>>321418719
I feel for ya.
If you really are on a budget, the GTX 750ti is still the best choice. They take all their power out of the PCI-E port, and can run GTA5 on all high, 1080p, at over 40fps average.
If you are on REALLY tight budget, the GTX 650 1GB cards can be found for mere 30 bucks, and could runs anything at decent quality and speed.
>>321418923
>effectively crippling the gpu when it comes to pure hardware resource management.
Buy a quadro card you retard.
>>321418430
>AMD are the real jews here, they want technology without having to pay for it
How can this be true when their own technologies are released to the public open sourced?
>>321418719
Let me guess, you bought a 390, didn't you?
What amd marketers forgot to tell you is that the 970 is one of the biggest overclockers there is, if not THE very biggest one available right now. The 300 series from amd is just the exact same chips they have been rebranding for aeons now except this time they overvolted and overclocked them to hell and beyond, which is why you won't get much from OCing them because they're already at their limit.
Plus even though the 390 uses only 60w more than a 970, it has almost TWICE the TDP, meaning it will release that much more heat inside your case.
AMD a shit.
>>321414391
Buttmad AMD user.
>>321418638
Drivers are a red herring. I guess if you have shit taste and buy AAA games on release day then they're an issue but even on the occasions that I've done that I've never had driver issues.
>>321418969
>AMD
>better performance for the same price
>someone actually believes this
AMD isn't actually budget hardware, that's just what we tell people because nvidia needs some kind of competition.
>>321414391
To be honest I've never had a problem with the nvidia cards I've bought, AMD is a different story though, and right now I'm running surround display with and old reliable 770 and can run most shit at high, ultra with 60~fps
>>321418923
>Which is why GTX7xx series doesn't get as much attention due to the massive amount of work needed for Maxwell optimization.
Funny because the NVAPI takes care of that, in fact Kepler requires more work than Maxwell.
>>321419085
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>>321419005
So the only way for me to get a full functioning GPU is to spend more?
Sound like Nvidia alright.
>>321419259
At least I can play anything other than staring at BSODs and wondering why nothing works with it :^)
>>321419068
Open source is worthless if is not the best option.
Physx, GameWorks, CUDA.
All have been offered to AMD to license, they refused everytime.
the only thing that is turning pc into consoles is steam, and you fucking tools eat up any shit those fucks throw at you
>>321416312
>The crimson drivers that killed gpus for example, I have never seen so much damage control in my life.
This. It was absolutely insane. Countless posts were saying "oh, your AMD card died due to the bad driver update? You must be lying!" Yet there's hard evidence that the new drivers lowered fans down to 20% without telling the user. Playing demanding games at 20% fan speed caused very high temperatures, high enough to damage and even kill a card. Granted, cards are supposed to have failsafes, however older cards have a worse version. It's just so weird to read so many accounts of AMD cards dying due to the new drivers, and everyone calling them liars despite hard evidence of the automatic reduction 20% fan speed.
Honestly, AMD's drivers automatically setting themselves to 20% fan speed is scary as absolute fuck.
>>321419137
>I guess if you have shit taste and buy AAA games on release day then they're an issue
Only for amd poorfags because nvidia already releases drivers a day BEFORE the games come out, unlike amd that takes anywhere from many weeks to many months and you can do nothing about it.
Poor amd plebs.
>>321419383
Why would they license
Are you a cuck m8?
>>321419278
No, if you want a GPU for one specific task you buy the GPU designed for that specific task, are you retarded?
>>321419085
Why do you even talk about TDP as if its something to worry about?
the actual power usage difference is like 20 dollars a year in electricity. Its so stupidly miniscule you'll never see it
>>321414391
Because I'd rather not have a second fireplace in my house
>>321419404
>Steam
>turning PCs into consoles
Fucking how? Everything Steam offers is optional.
>>321419472
Why would they not?
The could have gotten physx, cuda, and gameworks if they wanted but they don't and now they users have to suffer for it.
>this whole thread
when will people realize /v/ doesn't really know anything about computers
>>321419383
>>321419251
>Funny because the NVAPI takes care of that
Based on the most recent benchmark? I don't think so anon.
Also, how does NVAPI takes care of anything regarding to driver optimization for an average consumer that bough Kepler?
>in fact Kepler requires more work than Maxwell.
For the dev of course, since Nvidia couldn't give them as much attention as they could.
>>321419514
Because TDP is a concern for people who don't want their whole room heating up just because they're playing a game and/or if they have a mini-itx build and can't dissipate heat as well.
And also because you're a fucking pleb who thinks that TDP stands for power usage, instead of Thermal Design Power aka the amount of heat the GPU coolers dissipate inside the case, because you're a retard.
>>321419068
Well for one AMD is based in Israel while nvidia isn't. Two instead of owning up to their problems they blame everyone else, which is a Jewish thing to do.
>>321419641
This
Freedoms > performance
>>321419645
>Based on the most recent benchmark?
You don't need benchmarks you idiot you can download the NVAPI and mes with it you dumbass.
>how does NVAPI takes care of anything regarding to driver optimization for an average consumer that bough Kepler?
Nvidia NVAPI is incredibly good, and they have lots of resources the NVAPI itself can tell which card is working with.
>>321419586
>Why would they not?
Because it's all shit gimmicks.
Besides it's both sides suffering from it since Nvidia actually cripple the performance of both AMD cards and their OWN older cards.
>>321419674
>Because TDP is a concern for people who don't want their whole room heating up just because they're playing a game and/or if they have a mini-itx build and can't dissipate heat as well.
But thats false, the wattage intake is equivalent to the heat throughput as waste. Ergo, the actual difference between GPU's is so fucking small.
none of these AMD GPU's put out excessive heat, if both cards run at 70c then thats what they put out.
you're literally bitching about irrelevant, nonexistent "issues"
>>321419707
>Two instead of owning up to their problems they blame everyone else, which is a Jewish thing to do.
They don't even need to. Whenever they do their latest frequent fuck-up you can count on their defense bots to try to blame it on nvidia, intel, the cosmos, jesus, my balls and what not.
Such a miserable flock.
>>321419821
>Besides it's both sides suffering from it
I'ts only AMD though.
>>321419435
>Honestly, AMD's drivers automatically setting themselves to 20% fan speed is scary as absolute fuck.
You should literally have no issue with it, because only morons use stock fan speeds.
>>321419821
>their OWN older cards.
>he actually believes this
>>321419816
Do you even know what NVAPI actually is?
Have you people noticed how 90% of people complaining about GameWorks are AMD users complaining in Nvidia users behalf for some reason?
They must be saints.
>>321419829
No it's not you fucking idiot who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about.
The power usage difference between a 970 and a 390 is merely 60w yet the 390 has almost TWICE the TDP. The temperature they run at doesn't mean anything about the amount of heat they are DISSIPATING you idiot. That's why MSI did a complete rework of their cooler and why it uses almost 3 slots to cool down the 390. Heat dissipation =/= temperature of the chip. What you dissipate is no longer there, you moron.
Stop talking about shit you know fucking nothing about, you illiterate fuck and go do some basic googling.
>>321419975
I do but it seems you don't.
>>321417451
No, besides unity dips to 0 fps on titans and furys to.
>>321419707
>AMD release shit like TressFX and Freesync to the public
>nvidia cards suffer at first but since these effects are open source, Nvidia can easily release patches
>everyone gains from this
>same happens with Nvidia tech
>AMD cards are cripled
>shit can't get patched since it's proprietary tech
>both developers and the community get cucked
>>321414391
>shit drivers
>shit hardware
I think you mean AMD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruCr6OXbK5E
>>321419821
Why are you enabling Nvidia GameWorks features MEANT to be used in NVIDIA cards if you own an AMD CARD?
Are you retarded?
>buy Nvidia for gameworks
>gameworks cripples Nvidia more than AMD
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING
THIS ISN'T THEY WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE PLAYED
>>321420135
I don't think you do if you think that NVAPI is the answer to the poor driver support for Kepler.
>>321420057
Because apparently it's nvidia's fault amd cards can't compete.
>>321420104
>The power usage difference between a 970 and a 390 is merely 60w yet the 390 has almost TWICE the TDP.
Wattage is NOT a unit of heat, wattage is a unit of power.
>they are DISSIPATING heat
if both cards run at 70c assuming they have the same cooler they dissipate the same heat.
>almost 3 slots
most of their cards are 2 slots, there is no "almost 3"
Stop talking about shit you know nothing about. This is basic elementary thermodynamics. You are literally sucking Nvidia's cock if you think thermal throughput has any fucking bearing or relevance today
wow an extra 60w? that translates to barely 10 dollars a year on your electricity.
>>321414391
I've never had any issues with drivers, but I hate the company. My problem is if I come to upgrade, I'd like a card that gets support from day one, and AMD just don't offer than. Also, shadowplay.
It's not fair, bros..
>>321420241
>Fallout 4 godrays
>a good indicator of anything other than Bethesda's incompetence
>>321419968
>>321419898
You 2 cucks been living under a rock?
Nvidia cripple their older cards so people get forced to buy their newest shit.
It's why AMD GPUs perform so much better against the respective Nvidia GPUs in the long run.
Last year the 7870 was slightly worse than 660 for example, now it just blows it the fuck out in every game.
>>321420104
>Heat dissipation =/= temperature of the chip
Yes actually it does, temperature is a measurement of the energy displaced so energy moving = heat.
thanks for proving you didn't take highschool phy
>>321420297
Generally it's nvidia's fault when "optimized for nvidia" games run like shit on any card that isn't nvidia's flagship card.
>>321420241
>>321420372
DELETE THIS
>>321419458
They only do something if the game doesn't have nvidia features. They never released a driver for dying light despite it having severe performance issues on amd hardware. Not even just the normal amount either but the amd cards where getting out performed by 750tis and amd just said lol it's nvidias fault instead of fixing it.
>>321420387
>Nvidia cripple their older cards so people get forced to buy their newest shit.
>He actually drinks the AMD coolaid.
>>321420104
>Watts
>heat
These are not the same thing
>>321420227
Who told you I did that you projecting fucktard
>>321420241
God ray work in favor of AMD simply because it was resource heavy rather than tessellation heavy.
>970 outperformed by two year old mid range AMD shit
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>321420297
Most of the time yes.
When shit like gameworks is out of the equation, both sides perform really well.
>>321420387
355.99 was released recently too, we are at 361.43
what's with nvidia shilling today? preparing for new years? new years is more important in the east, probably have to move at least 1% of unsold 970s
>>321420460
You seem dumb enough to do that to be honets senpaitachi
>>321420446
>releasing driver
>on something they don't have access too
Oh yeah, I would love to see Nvidia give AMD open access to all the proprietary shit they crammed into the game so that AMD can optimize it accordingly.
>having a nice hugbox, talking about Nvidia, cuckolding, the 970 and black breeding
>suddenly this one asshole starts posting benchmarks
FUCK OFF BACK TO /G/
>>321420572
>>321420452
>new drivers don't improve performance
Now check AMD GPUs.
Exactly.
>>321420603
I really don't know but theres one in every Intel vs AMD thread on /g/ too that shills for Intel TDP then says something really retarded like Wattage being a unit of heat or some dumb crap like that. Theres always that one person who doesn't know basic physics then not only will they not admit it but they'll forfrontly keep claiming they do know it even though they demonstratively don't
>>321420725
Because Nvidia doesn't release piece of shit drivers that don't work properly for the first 2 years of their cards' lifespan.
>>321420160
>amd has multiple chances to buy licenses to nvidias tech
>this would actually allow them to compete really well
>lol nope we at amd need to keep our shekels.
New benchmarks released with up to date drivers.
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzne/test_zestawow_core_i5_4460_vs_fx_8300_oraz_gtx_970_vs_r9_390
The GTX 970 and the 390 trade blows in most games, if you bought a 390 instead of a cheap 290X you are a retard.
>>321420767
>>321420725
How is 970 the most popular card when the 390 exists?
Are consumers in this industry this fucking retarded?
>>321420858
AMD drivers do good after a while but they do have more regressions than Nvidia.
Because look at the fucking alternative.
It's not that i like using nvidia, it's that i wouldn't be caught dead with AMD.
well, i would since my pc would spontaneously explode showering me with heatsink shrapnel.
>>321420873
Because the 970 is still better despite the gimped memory.
>>321420659
Nvidias offered amd numerous times the license to their tech. But nope they'd rather not be able to compete and decide to cuck themselves by releasing open source shit.
>>321420309
Except you measure heat by watts you gigantic fucking retard.
Here, let me teach you some basic shit because you have shit for brains and know fucking nothing you're talking about.
A Joule is a unit of energy. If you want to discuss how much energy (joules) your gpu is releasing, you must speak of the rate it is releasing this energy. For example, a gpu might be dissapating 50 joules of energy every second so we have a 50 joule per second rate. By definition, one watt is one joule per second so a 50 joule per second rate can be restated as 50 watts.
Feeling embarassed now, you fucking retard? Kill yourself. Fucking hate people like you who know NOTHING they are talking about yet they just can't stop running their loud ass shitty mouths out of ignorance. First you think that TDP stands for power consumption, then you think that heat dissipation and the temperature of a chip means the same thing, and now you show you don't even know how to measure heat or what joules or watts stand for.
Good fucking job! Consider yourself schooled.
>>321420390
Heat =/= heat dissipation. Thanks for being so fucking retarded you don't even understand the very thing you just wrote.
>>321420459
Read above and stop talking about things you know nothing as well.
God /v/ is such a clusterfuck of high school dropouts.
>>321420837
that's not how it works, they give you a plugin for a game - you add an effect to engine - performance sucks- you can't do shit without reverse engineering which is illigal
>>321420446
>and amd just said lol it's nvidias fault instead of fixing it.
Is it really Nvidia fault? Who know.
But since the dev have to patch the game themselves to make it work decently, then you know that the part that is broke isn't AMD driver, but the game itself.
>>321421005
kek
It's really not
>>321420104
>Heat dissipation =/= temperature of the chip
>the movement of energy and the subsiquent measurement of that thermal dissipation is NOT temperature
That is literally the definition of temperature. Temperature is a measurement of the energy contained and resultant converted heat dissipation. Holy fuck how can you be this retarded?
What is going to hurt more? touching 100 degrees C of water or touching 100 degrees C of aluminum?
I'll give you a hint, the one that moves energy faster hurts more
>>321417060
I get literally perfect 60 fps in fallout 4 with a 970.
>works for me
>>321417060
>50 mins have passed
>no one has called out a fag posting reddit screenshots
>>321421034
>that's not how it works, they give you a plugin for a game
if you license gameworks which I assume is what you are talking about you get the full source code and you can edit it as you wish, it don't even had to use the GPU at all if you wish.
>>321420873
the 970 overclocks much better and pulls ahead of it while drawing less power and producing way less heat, while also having way better support.
>>321421098
No you don't.
People suffer with 980ti's. The game has such a shit optimization it's amazing.
>>321421028
>Except you measure heat by watts
No you don't, you measure heat in temperature and wattage is a function of voltage and current which is power. Heat is not energy, you can convert wattage to joules.
>feel embarassing!
you literally said heat was not a measurement of temperature which is objectively false.
>No I don't understand a damn thing about physics so I'll spew a bunch of shit
If you took this to physical chemistry 401 you'd get laughed at.
>>321421181
He never said he's got all his shit maxed, anon.
>>321421181
god rays aren't a problem with my 970, I can get 60FPS even at Ultra even tough the game itself was configures to High, the real problems are the shadows. they tank the performance in any machine, they are very CPU heavy.
>>321421160
If you OC both cards the 970 covers the distance at 1080p but still can't catch up at higher resolutions.
>>321420873
the 970 isn't a rebrand, that's why
>>321421080
Two chips are at 40 degrees celsius. According to you and the other retard, they are using the same amount of power and dissipating the same amount of heat.
Except for the fact one is idling and the the other one is overclocked to hell and beyond at full load with a liquid nitrogen cooler.
Temperature of the chip =/= heat dissipation.
Feeling stupid yet?
>>321421181
I actually fixed that, its the Nvidia TXAA, disable that and remove godrays and it plays 60fps everywhere
Nvidia did that thing with Nvidia TXAA again like they did with crysis 2
>>321419958
Didn't it activate for everyone whether or not they used custom speeds? I'm fairly certain that was the case.
>>321421146
i would need a source on that, that's not how it usually works with plugin kind of thing, everyone would make their own maya or 3dsmax by now if it were true
>>321421016
You do realize what it mean to use a licensed parts from another company and implement it into your own product right?
Not to mention the fact that licensing means that your hand are tied to the agreement that you made with your rival company etc etc.
Its not just as simple as adding a lines of code into your driver, and if you think its that simple then you're one heck of a naive faggot.
>>321421146
>>321421392 oh and it doesn't work that way with hardware, nobody in their sane mind would sell you anything relevant for hardware race
>>321421363
Fallout 4 don't uses Nvidia's TXAA.
>>321421392
You can find that in the license agreement.
>>321421181
>>321421294
I do have all my shit maxed, unless you mean ini tweaks to make shit go beyond ultra.
>>321421534
At 360p?
>>321421353
They are dissipating the same heat, 40c is a measurement of the energy displaced as thermal transfer. Whether it be from the chip to the heatsink or from the heat sink to the air.
>Temperature of the chip =/= heat dissipation
Temperature is a measurement of the energy contained in an object as it moves otherwise known as heat.
If the temperature of two aluminum blocks of the same mass is the same, they have the same heat displacement.
Water at 100c hurts more than aluminum at 100c because the water contains more energy, temperature doesn't measure energy it measures energy transfer.
>>321421534
>playing at 1080p
>>321421510
>oh and it doesn't work that way with hardware,
Nvidia literally offered CUDA to AMD and Physx, Physxs isnt 100% hardware dependand but its pretty close and CUDA is hardware.
>>321421531
>Fallout 4 don't uses Nvidia's TXAA.
yes it does
under AA settings theres one for MSAA, FXAA and TXAA
>AMD and their underdog complex
It's always so fucking cute to see them try and go at it.
>>321421386
>Didn't it activate for everyone whether or not they used custom speeds? I'm fairly certain that was the case.
Nope. My stock cooling r9 290 sounds like a jet engine when the fan speed is over 50% and I always heard it during that time.
>>321421728
is temporal anti aliasing, is not Nvidia's TXAA.
>>321421531
https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworks-sdk-eula
a) prohibits the end user from modifying, reproducing, de-compiling, reverse engineering or translating the NVIDIA GameWorks SDK
Okay.
>>321421406
They'd get the code for those proprietary features you faggots whine about. Allowing them to optimize for it. It's like you're stupid or something
I'm almost 100% positive that AMD literally pays people to shill on 4chan.
>>321421787
Well what ever it is, it fucked my 980ti hardcore
>>321421249
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_heat_flow
>The rate of heat flow between two systems is measured in watts (joules per second).The formula for rate of heat flow is ∆Q/∆t = -K×A×∆T/x, where ∆Q/∆t is the rate of heat flow; -K is the thermal conductivity factor; A is the surface area; ∆T is the change in temperature and x is the thickness of the material (∆T/x is called the temperature gradient and is always negative because of the heat of flow always goes from more thermal energy to less).
>>The rate of heat flow between two systems is measured in watts (joules per second)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_transmittance
>Thermal transmittance, also known as U-value, is the rate of transfer of heat (in watts) through one square metre of a structure divided by the difference in temperature across the structure.
>Thermal transmittance, also known as U-value, is the rate of transfer of heat (in watts)
Like I said, you don't know anything you're talking about and you just got royally destroyed.
Consider yourself schooled again and now save whatever is left of your dignity and go use to learn something instead of pretending a high school dropout like yourself has anything to do with "physical chemistry".
>>321421810
>without NVIDIA’s prior written consent,
>>321421642
>Nvidia literally offered CUDA to AMD and Physx,
No they don't.
They offered a license.
And with license comes a lot of retarded shit that goes with it.
You know what would happen if AMD bought these license, implement them in their product and all of the sudden Nvidia decided that to cancel the license because of some reasons they deemed fit?
And this is just a small part of the shit that comes with these 'license'.
>>321421985
No shit dumbass, what do you expect? Nvidia to give it away for free?
No one in their sane mind would do that not after they have invested millions into it.
>>321421821
You have no fucking clue about licensing aren't you?
You're one heck of a naive faggot if you think that LICENSING does not comes with any string attached.
Unless its open source, Nvidia can go fuck themselves.
>>321421909
This isn't what you were describing before
You were literally calling wattage a unit of heat then saying that temperature was NOT a measurement of heat transfer
then you kept calling heat transfer not heat which are literally fucking synonyms.
You literally googled all this because you have no understanding. You're like those retarded Chinese grad student papers that come out every once in a while that write about how they discovered a way to make free energy through less work when really they just learned about gibbs free energy.
My wife's bull gifted me a 970 for christmas. Sadly, the card seems to shit itself in 1440p.
I'm considering going 970 SLI for the true cuck experience. Any thought?
>>321421623
No they are not you retard. One is at full load being cooled by liquid nitrogen and the other one is IDLING. The only difference here is that the liquid nitrogen cooler is WAY more efficient than the one at the idling GPU. If they used the same shitty cooler, the one at full load would burst in flames.
Take a moment to reflect on the retardation you just said.
>>321418275
you have 20% chance for that
>>321422085
>No shit dumbass, what do you expect? Nvidia to give it away for free?
Then why the fuck do you think AMD should accept this one sided offer? Fucking retard.
>>321421945
that means never or to a very very big publisher for a specific game under million restrictions
Why the FUCK is this allowed?
>>321421985
>what if nvidia decided to break legally binding contract ahead of time guiez!
What if you amd users used real logical arguments based on fact? All I ever see you faggots shout is what if. What if I discovered time travel and fucked your mom and I'm your real dad?
lol I will never buy amd again. haven't since 2012 and never will again probably. go check out their stock anon, tell me how it looks. that alone will let you know the state that shitter company is in.
>>321422216
Because in the long run it's better?
Because Nvidia owns 80% of the market?
Because right now they are getting fucked in the butt right by those technologies?
Pick one smart guy.
Ok fags, shut the fuck up.
AMD are not as innovative as Nvidia so they copy the latter's technologies and release open sourced and pretend they're good guys afterwards.
Nvidia have some kind of supreme leader complex and want to devour the industry with borderline unethical strategies which most of the time hurt consumers on both sides.
AMD needs more talent and Nvidia needs to chill.
>>321421909
>If I google and paste shit that proves the other guy right and contradicts what I said. I can use it as a cover up for my fuck up vocabulary
>>321422156
Oh now you're gonna talk about the actual cooling method involving nitrogen? we weren't talking about the efficiency of coolers before and suddenly you want to enter that as a factor?
>IF they both are at the same temperature the other will burst into flames
no they won't
you literally just shifted the goal posts. The example about temperature changes between water and aluminum was to highlight that you somehow think an AMD card with an aluminum heatsink and an Nvidia card with an aluminum heat sink AT THE SAME TEMPERATURE somehow weren't giving off the same energy which is false.
>>321422328
>that 970
>b-but it's the b-best!!
>>321422386
>Nvidia needs to chill
nvidia IS chilling currently
they have no competition
>>321422156
>No one said anything about load
>nor idle
>nor cooler efficiency
>but I'm gonna goal post shift into a different subject because I got BTFO previously
>>321422328
>970 absolutly stomped by the 390 in a Nvidia branded gameworks title
>>321421780
Huh, interesting. I apologize for sharing inaccurate information in that case.
>>321422107
Except it was, since I was using the therm "dissipation" from the very beginning, because it's relevant to what I was stating: that even though the 390 uses only 60w more of power than the 970, it releases almost twice the heat.
You just got blown the fuck out in a row now because you can only talk shit without backing up what you say and now you're crying over it. Let this be a lesson to your ignorance.
Not like I was expecting anything else from an idiot who thinks that TDP means power usage anyway.
>>321422431
>oh now
>now
No, I was talking about it since the very beginning, because I just had to type the retype again the difference in coolers for your nerfed brain to understand it. And thanks again for showing you also don't know how to read:
>IF they both are at the same temperature the other will burst into flames
Because I never said "temperature", I said "If they used the same shitty cooler".
See how desperate you are to try and fail to make a point you literally have to chance what I said otherwise your point falls flat. Thanks for also getting yourself BTFO. This is getting quite easy, I must say.
>>321422328
>has to go to some no-name nazi website for fabricated benchmarks
>>321418489
Butthurt 970 owner detected
>>321422101
I do have a clue about how licensing works. I can also speak English properly too, unlike you you uneducated mong.
>/v/ tricked me into buying the 970
FUCK YOU
WHY DID I FALL FOR THE MEME
>>321422663
i think that's german tom's hardware that is actually reputable
>>321422658
>dissipation
you literally called temperature which is a measurement of heat displacement NOT heat dissipation which are literally the same thing
>>321422148
Get two 390s and play games with gameworks features only, and on the highest settings. Better cuck experience.
>>321422517
Could you please samefag harder? You're making it even more obvious when you show the same reading comprehension failure twice in a row now.
>No one said anything about load
Let's see. What did I say again in >>321421353? Oh yeah, let's take a look:
>Except for the fact one is idling and the the other one is overclocked to hell and beyond at full load with a liquid nitrogen cooler.
Keep on damage controlling though.
>>321414391
MADSHILLS BTFO AS FUCK
>>321422658
>No, I was talking about it since the very beginning,
You weren't.
>I never said temperature
yes you did
>difference in coolers
as far as I can tell and concerned, two similar coolers will perform the same, no one commented on their efficiency or performance overall. All I had mentioned was that there was two identical heatsinks at the same temperature, therefore they have the same thermal output.
You literally goal post switched
>>321422374
>Because in the long run it's better?
Its far riskier to implement these license in your product as you practically give up a portion of your rights out of it.
>Because Nvidia owns 80% of the market?
Great! Now Nvidia can have both share in the market AND your own fucking product.
>Because right now they are getting fucked in the butt right by those technologies?
A technology is used to segregate the market further. They should've just make a fucking console already.
This technology promote regression, its not a fucking technology.
Guys whats the AMD cpu people buy nowadays? Im looking at the Fx 8350
>>321422783
But anon, the fake .5 gigs literally does nothing to the performance, I SWEAR!
>>321422783
you think you are suffering? I bought a gtx 770 a year ago. I'm upgrading the rest of my computer now, and im just fucked. Was gonna get a r9 280x but the fucking website was sold out for 3 months.
>>321423005
>This technology promote regression, its not a fucking technology.
>new more advanced visuals and effects arent advancements in technology
>it runs shit AMD
AMDfag detected
>>321414391
no such thing as a nvidia or amd exclusive.
>>321416305
>shit drivers are a meme
not for AMD. They're either shit or non-existent.
I know AMDiots love to pretend they're all "open source" and "for the consumers" but that's a big trashy jew lie. After all, for the longest time they refused to support OpenGL because they had contracts to support and favor Direct X.
Valve/Source engine got so set back because of ATI/AMD they have to wait till Source 2 to even attempt to re-establish proper OpenGL support.
>>321419228
>better hardware performance for the same price
>comes out half a year or more after Nvidia's equivalent.
>still doesn't have the same level of software performance
Keep chasing those scraps, AMDiot.
what about amd cpu overhead? its horrible in fallout 4 just cause 3 and project cars. all this games runs fine with nvidia and with heavy frame pacing issues on AMD
>>321422923
>Could you please samefag harder?
Nobody claimed anyone was samefagging but you.
You're literally damage control: the post
No one mentioned fucking anything about nitrogen or the efficiency of the cooler, you ignored the example then went quick to strawman it about cooler efficiency, which again no one was talking about.
Two coolers of the same mass and shape with the same surface area are both 70c. Which one releases energy faster?
trick question in 2 ways, one I already gave you the answer, 70c, then both are the same because temperature doesn't measure energy, it measures energy transfer which is called heat. You literally said heat was not "heat dissipation" even though thats literally the definition of temperature.
>>321422356
>What if you amd users used real logical arguments based on fact?
The 'if' would, and can happen like most other licensing system.
The legal term for this is 'precedent'.
License give too much power on the party that you bought it from.
A company like AMD could not afford to put their whole fucking GPU business in risk because some greedy bastard wants a complete control over a market with just lines of code.
>>321423005
>Its far riskier to implement these license in your product as you practically give up a portion of your rights out of it.
>paying a few cents for a know working technology is more riskier than investing millions into a technology that might not be better
>Great! Now Nvidia can have both share in the market AND your own fucking product.
it's not like AMD will be limited to Nvidia technology, dumbass.
Read >>321422356
>>321423120
that's the one
people actually say it's alright, specially for a price
>>321414391
I always laugh when people constantly update their drivers.
While for some games it might be necessary, a lot of games, nah. Tons of Nvidia drivers have problems, the updates cause problems and instability.
For reference, I'm running the GTA V PC release drivers with my GTX 970, Rainbow Six Siege says they're not supported, but the game runs flawlessly, hasn't ever crashed. I remember back around last summer I tried to update, made overclocking not work properly, caused so many issues in games, etc.
Find a good, stable driver; if things work, don't update.
>>321422729
Then why the fuck are you arguing with me?
If you know about how licensing work then you know well how fucking stupid it is for AMD to accept these license.
AMD is fucking retarded, but they are not THAT retarded.
>>321416615
amdrones don't understand nvidia spends billions on R&D while amd spends millions. they basically want nvidia to develop for their competitor because they have buyers remorse.
>>321423120
>Guys whats the AMD cpu people buy nowadays
people buy Intel
