Is pic related good? I love dungeon crawlers, but is it as deep as Stone Soup or NetHack?
>>321353309
>Stone Soup
>Deep
Isn't that one of the most accessible and least deep roguelikes out there now? I remember hearing they patched out most of the depth.
>>321353612
Ya but is ops pic related good. I can't tell either
>>321353309
It's fun, I got some really exciting moments out of it where I survived who knows how
But it's rather imbalanced, and it gets god damn repetitive at times when you're grinding, even spamming the skip thing.
I'd say yes if you really don't have anything else to play, but it's free so you don't have anything to lose, so go for it.
>>321353309
It's fun but it can't really be compared to DCSS or NetHack
I recommend you just try it, it's free on their website
Played the shit out of it.
On some aspects it is more bullshit than stone soup. For example, most if not all situations in SS you can get out of if you prepare. In TOME, there will be times you turn the corner, a mob will have a half action turn before you and WILL one shot you without anything you can do to stop it. Those are rare, but they will happen.
Melee characters are much better I. TOME than SS. You have skills to use, like charges, stuns, shit like that.
In terms of deepness, there are a lot of items, less randarts than SS. A shit ton more lore in TOME. More class builds.
>>321353821
>it's free
It's not though
>>321354112
Just adom
Yes>>321354112
It is on te4.org, you don't get dlc though
>>321353309
It's very good, yes. I played it for like 70 hours and I usually get bored very quickly.
>>321354058
>turn corner
>Elite mob gets 500 turns and shoots me the entire time
Still fun past the bullshit
>>321353309
It's fun until some fucker freezes you for 11 turns from outside the screen.
Is there any game with more achievements than this one? It's almost 1400
>>321354160
Oh okay, thanks
>>321354112
it is free from the owners website
if you buy it through steam you get a little additional content, though that content is also provided if you donate on his website.
It adds a thingy that lets you transfer a couple items between worlds, but you have to surrender the item in your current world, and it takes a while to unlock that area in the game so it isn't exactly easy to get back to it.
>>321353309
If it resonates with you you can easily sink hundreds of hours on it.
I'm currently playing it for third week in a row already. Been playing for years already
Nethack and DCSS are Hack-derived, so you'll find ToME to be very different since it's Angband-derived. Do your research to see if you'd be interested in a game like that, and if you would be, ToME is pretty worth it. It's a more modern game than a lot of other Roguelikes, and is actually very accessible, which may turn off some more 'hardcore' fans of the genre. The variety of classes and races, not to mention the expansion, upcoming second expansion, and a lot of mods to improve some of the weaker features (random escorts, gem variety, half-finished bone giants) and just add more races and classes makes it quite a large game.
The biggest problem is that the sprites are ugly, but hey, at least the tiles are distinct and there is an ASCII mode if you'd prefer.
>>321353309
how do you pronounce this
>>321354228
it's really not that many
every achievement is duplicated between normal/nightmare/insane/madness/roguelike/adventurer/exploration
good thing that if you get an achievement on insane for example, you get the same achievement for all difficulties below that
I think it also applies for roguelike mode, you get the adventurer and exploration achievements
>>321354568
Maaj-eye-ahl
>>321354569
unless he changed it recently, that was not the case on the achievements. I would do harder difficulties and get none of the baby mode achievements.
>>321354773
Well, I know for sure it applies to difficulty but I dunno about mode
You might have to sync it with te4.org for it to update on steam
how do I get gud at archmage? It's my favorite class and I love the air and storm talents, but at dreadfell and beyond my ass gets reamed.
>>321354302
>1395 achievements
Why is this allowed? Has anyone ever gotten all of them?
>>321355747
There are duplicate achievements for each of the three modes, that's partly why.
>>321353309
i had some really good times with this but in the end i got sick of doing the same areas over and over
I like it
>>321353309
jesus christ no, this game is a fucking boring awful mess
>>321355534
archmages strength is shield manipulation and easy blink abilities
unless they changed things a lot archmages are either extreme luck based or extreme skill based on your viewpoint. You can manipulate the fight and dance a lot but it doesn't take much to kill you.
Just once I would like to play a PC roguelike that doesn't spread its fucking controls out over every goddamn key on the keyboard, and has art assets that don't look like they were done by a colorblind fourth grader.
>>321356254
I would say pixel dungeon but I don't think it meets the last requirement
>>321356254
TOME is open source
make your own artwork faggot
>>321353309
It took me 200 hours before I even saw the second half of the game, another 100 before I got my first win. If you can adjust your expectations in such a way it's GOTYAY.
>>321356204
They are skill based, that is, you need caution plsying them. Being so squishy mage can't really afford walking casually behind every corner without throwing arcane eye there or turning on shield, fighing uniques without inspecting them and not having teleports ready to zip out of trouble
>>321353309
the game seems fine
the UI is shit
the resolution options are shit
the graphics are shit
the graphics are excusable but
>shitty resolution options and UI in 2015
user interface has been optimally mapped out for years and this game manages to be less intuitive than text based games
>>321356254
ToME can be played entirely with the mouse, or with little more than the numpad and the number keys. The art assets are pretty shit, but you can use the ASCII mode or pick up the pretty decent "Old School RPG" asset pack somebody made. Sure, it looks like an RPG maker game then, but some people like that more than the MS Paint drawings.
>>321356795
>turn corner in dungeon on my archmage
>giant minautaur 2 spaces away with a zillion buffs
>he activates charge
>my wizard pants explode from dischargecharge is gay
>>321356881
it's kinda cool you can chat with others in the game
>>321356846
What's wrong with the resolution options? I run this shit at 1440 and it works fine. The UI's not the best I've seen by any means, but it sure as hell is more intuitive than DCSS or Nethack. The only other major Roguelike to have a UI as comprehensive is ADOM, and even that's pretty shit.
people make art sets for the game sometimes
http://imgur.com/a/T9QMz
>>321357191
the UI doesnt scale to the resolution
I play at 1900x1200 and the UI is made for ants
>>321357147
I actually totally forgot about that feature, since I turned it off. But yeah, ToME has in-game chat and scheduled events like the Bearscape that happen if you're connected to the server. It's an interesting little feature, but I wouldn't consider it a selling point.
>>321357043
>giant minotaur
>zillion buffs
>charges so hard you explode in 2 turns
That's Horned Horror alright
I absolutely fear him. Whenever i see i've got alt Maze i turn right fucking around and fuck off that place to lvl elsewhere. Unless you're playing some really sturdy class like SunPal or Skirmisher, he's going to wreck you mercilessly
>>321357296
i like seeing everyone's death messages
>>321357375
>tfw someone dies to a skeleton wizard 5 times in Trollmire
>>321357274
Oh wow, you're right. I just played around with the settings and the UI just doesn't work. Never noticed that before.
>>321357304
>patch note: Horned Horror now has conditioning tree, improved grappling and reduced cooldown on healing abilties
>>321357483
>tfw people are drowning in a Last Hope fountain
W-why?
>>321357483
"_______ has been killed by Bill"
>>321357483
>tfw you unlock skeleton race
>>321357654
Undead races are #1. Well worth the EXP penalty. This is of course assuming you can get past the Half-Finished Bone Giant.
>>321357558
>improved grappling and reduced cooldown on healing abilties
Jesus
>>321357646
>has been clobbered into soup by Bill
So you know what's in his pot
>>321357769
>>321357654
>playing a skeleton brawler
Jesus this guy's the furthest I've made it
>>321356846
>implying any roguelike ever has good graphics, resolution, or ANY UI
oy vey
ToME is wildly superior to most roguelikes in that aspect.
Incoming wall of text.
The game is fun, has quite a bit of depth with all of the stats, items/artifacts, classes and things you need to find and learn, there's quite a few classes that all play differently. It can be challenging and it can take quite a bit of time to get the hang of things. There's really no shortage of difficulty settings to adjust to what you want (little warning on this, earlygame might seem like a cakewalk depending on your starting class aka anything with high armor, but it's really a false sense of security that doesn't last long)
>>321354228
This is a clear example of an angry inexperienced fuck who didn't bother to learn how to fight a status effect (you start with a low-cooldown ability that can cleanse stuns, and you can buy another one that makes you immune for a few turns while also giving you a valuable escape.)
Donator features feel worthwhile to me, you can use custom tiles for yourself, get a new class that's very fun (but dwarf-exclusive), the ability to have an infinite life run for fucking around or doing unlocks/learning, and the ability to transfer items between runs (as opposed to what someone says, this happens strictly in the earlygame.) Considering you get those from just buying the game on steam or grabbing the DLC it's really not that bad. The DLC adds a race and two very fun classes, along with new items, areas and lore.
TL;DR: Ignore DCSS fuckers who think tab attacking through an entire game with nothing with passive skills and samey classes/races is fun
>Embers of Rage expansion
>Orc campaign, full level 1-50 game
>Sawbutcher class
>SAWBUTCHER
so how fucked am I?
>>321358059
hope you have enough armor goy
>>321354302
>2%
What a loser
>>321358059
holy fuck
>>321357925
Skeleton Brawlers are stupid tough, what with the Skelly stat bonuses and the bone shield combined with the Brawler's inherent tankiness.
>>321358230
gay
>>321357991
>dwarf exclusive
I hate that shit. I love the idea of the class, but I just don't like Dwarves, so I end up never playing it.
>new lore
Not that anybody cares much, but ToME has some really good lore and worldbuilding. The demons in particular are very interesting, which is what the Ashes expansion is all about.
Meanwhile, at the Negromancer
>>321358059
You are dead man.
Got alt Maze? Switch your priorities, do Sandworm Lair before Maze. Obviously do all t1 (Scintillating caves, Rhaloren Camp, Norgos, Gloom, Trollmire, Bill), probably go wreck slavers yaechs and maybe ruined dungeon too. Kill subject Z in that passageway to Yeeks
He's a fucking monster
>>321358723
people actually open those fucking rooms of rape?
>>321358554
The lore is actually really good, I hardly find myself interested in reading these things in games but it was definitely interesting.
I hate dwarves myself, but stone wardens is worth messing around with.
>>321358915
No reason not to when you have an army of bone giants with you.
>>321358554
Lore and writing are great in this game.Halflings are fucking insane nazi fascists and i sympathize with Orcs actually, can't wait to wreck Maj'Eyal and all it's faggot inhabitants to bloody mess in expansion. None of them deserves mercy, except maybe Thalorens who just sit in their forest and do jackshit.
I also somehow still didn't get why Demons have a beef with Eyal, shertul are not native there and fucked off long ago, it seems like their blame is misplaced
so whats your order of dungeons for tier 2? I usually do maze( if alt after sandworm), old forest, sandworm layer, and finally daikara
>>321360857
I usually do Old Forest > Maze > Sandworm Lair > Lake Nur > Daikara
Push maze farther if it's alt
My problem is i always do Dark Crypt, i just can't not do it. This is where bad characters go to die. That place is so fucking scary and nerve wracking
>>321355534
Shield the shit out of you
>>321357043
>Archmage
>auto exploring
>turn a corner with 5, COUNT THEM, 5 Skeleton archers, 2 of which were purple
>insta-killed
I was so fucking mad, It was The Master's tower too, first time there, goddamnit.
>>321361958
>not using wizard eye
>>321358014
W-wat there is a new expansión?
>>321362543
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>>321362543
Not released yet but yeah, there's going to be a new expansion soon. Apparently with a new full blown campaign too. Can't fucking wait
>>321362505
AUTO EXPLORING NIGGA, WIZARD'S EYE IS THE TIGHTEST SHIT
I loved ToME. Sunk hundreds of hours into it, but haven't played in awhile.
ADOM is also really good.
There is a new expansión?
Halfling alchemist was the shit. Is anti-stun/freeze equipment still the only thing you need, or did they change that sometime?
some of these prodigy effects look OP
>>321355747
a bunch of the achievements are no longer achievable as well since the game has changed and removed certain things. You'd need to make mods to put them back in.
>>321356254
dungeons of dredmor might be up your alley
>>321363048
Well you wouldn't like being confused, slept and dreamscaped, or having fifty kinds of stunning and slowing poisons and deseases that do 30 dot each either but yeah, Stuns are the worst.
I remember killing OP Multi-hued dragon in Vor Armoury with one of my first Alchemists some years ago, god that was such a sweaty fight, took me like an hour and i was on the edge of my sit whole time, everytime faggot would appear he'd almost instakill me while my golem sacrifices himself to divert attention so i could run and hide somewhere throwing bombs behind corners and doors.
>>321362959
Soon. You get to be an Orc and use guns and shit. Sounds hype.
Is Slimeomancer still the most OP class?
I've tried to play ALL PURPLES FROM LEVEL 3 ONWARDS and savescum like a motherfucker. Got further than I expected, actually (gave up that quest to save the redhead).
>>321363852
>most OP class?
I think that would either be Sun Paladin or maybe Doombringer\Demonologist
Oozemancer is powerful as fuck though yeah
>>321363852
Staff Doombringer's probably stronger, but Oozemancer's up there as far as vanilla classes go.
>>321363852
archmage is one of the easiest classes to play and it's still the most OP one
>>321364020
>>321364178
>>321364272
So if we're talking Adventurer what would be stronger?
I've tried a couple builds from the forum to tackle the nightmare difficulty.
>>321364442
Haven't tried Adventurer yet since i'm trying to figure out some other classes.
Don't know how to pull Brawlers past around 16lvl, feels like it's just gets harder and harder pulling him as dungeons go up in lvl
Also have no idea what to do with Doomed. he looks like he's marginally less of a suicide that is playing Rouge
>literally a squishy melee mage with a constantly decaying resource worse than Vim that fucks his healing and damage sideways
Just how
>>321365226
>rouge
fuck meant rogue. Why do i always do this
>>321363713
holy shit that made my night
