>too many sword fighters in smash
Also, Happy Holidays you faggots.
Where are the polearms?
someone should do this for heroes villains and supporting characters
People will bitch about anything they don't like.
Nah, more like too many characters with counters.
>>321341749
Every single character who uses a melee weapon uses a sword save for dedede.
>>321341749
>Not expecting brawlers in a brawler
The fuck sort of point even is that?
Projectilist are also the natural counter to close quarters.
Sword fighters are going to stand out due to being against the grain.
>>321342519
This is the real problem. It's closer to "human beings with swords". It's just boring.
>>321342396
10 characters. Even less than sword users.
>>321342519
Pit and Dark Pit.
Isn't Pit a sword user?
>>321342519
Blame fiction's obsession with swords
>>321341749
Don't forget, OP, that people also want Zelda and Ganondorf to be sword fighters too.
But there's too many.
The fact that sword fighters have their own set is proof enough that they're overused. In a perfect world, we'd just group them up as 'weapon users'.
I would prefer more hand to hand fighters than sword fighters. There is still too many sword fighters especially for Fire Emblem where they have different weapon options.
>>321342816
If anything those are knives.
>>321342695
Doesn't have to be a majority to be too much. Just not an interesting move to be on so many. Seems like a cop out sometimes.
>>321341749
Notice how most of them are from Fire emblem
>>321341749
>There's no one in the middle
This bothers me so much.
There needs to be a character to sit right in there.
Tribrid character when?
Also we need some spear/pole/lance/axe/etc users.
>>321342794
those are swords. them being able to snap into a bow doesn't make them not swords.
>>321341749
Too many humanoid characters with swords. Look at how much variety in design is there for the projectile and brawler guys compared to sword users. Not to mention weapons wise swords show up way too much. The sword section is also dominated by Fire Emblem characters. Even weirder since Fire Emblem has had characters with axes, lances, magic, etc yet none of those are there. Axe users like Hector and that one FE4 guy and Lance users like Seth are fan favorites, too. Hell if they still wanted hilt bladed characters why not a thief/rogue like Colm?
Fire Emblem has so much potential with the variety of weapons and character cases the series has, yet we have nothing but sword using generic lord characters.
>>321343285
how would you have a sword-using brawler exactly?
>>321341749
where is Peach
>>321341749
>Mario in the Brawler/Projectile area but not Luigi or Dr. Mario
>Yoshi, greninja, Ryu or Pac-man not in the brawler/projectile hybrid area
Whoever made this is retarded as fuck.
>>321343424
I imagine where you could either switch between fists and swords or alternate between brawling attacks and sword attacks
and then have projectiles.
>>321341749
>G&W
>Projectile
>Energy
besides bacon i'm not seeing it
Where's the category for bait, hard reads, and lucky 9s?
>>321341749
>ness
>projectile
ness is a hybrid projectile/brawler, he's not especially good at either, but that's also why he's unique.
shit chart OP
>>321343548
He has bacon and bucket I guess, what does Pikachu have besides Thunder and Thunderbolt?
>>321341749
>they took the time to put their special snowflake miis in there but left out Peach
I'm so fucking triggered right now.
>>321343424
KING
K
ROOL
>>321343464
I bet he ran out of space and gave up.
>>321341749
>Mario is Energy/Projectile+Brawler
>Ryu isn't
>Luigi isn't
>Dr. Mario isn't
>>321343668
Man.
That's upsetting me as well.
I might just make a better one.
Why isn't Peach on the list??
>>321341749
The thing is that sword fighters have mostly the same shit with varying hitbox sizes while everything else has disjointed and interesting hitboxes/moves
Sword fighters in smash have literally
>sword slash 1
>sword slash 2
>sword slash 3
over their entire movesets
>>321343772
Please do. The ifunny logo in the bottom is bad enough.
>>321343134
This is the real problem. Of all the interesting characters in Fire Emblem, they pick all sword users I would have Ephraim or Hector over Roy any day. But I don't mind the representation, while I would prefer another magic user over Robin, I appreciate that they incorporated magic users in some way and Corrin seems interesting as well.
>>321343812
She's not on the list but would be brawler / prpjectile
Megaman is so a brawler/shooter hybrid, he has his swords his shroyuken and his slide.
Same with pit and pittoo in fact most of their moves are melee attacks., there barely projectile users.
>>321343846
I didnt know Marth, Ike and Link swinged their sword with the same style.
>>321343285
Wouldn't they be too well equipped then?The answer is Dante by the way. DMC1, 3 and/or 4 at that.
>>321341749
The problem isn't that there's too many sword fighters, but rather that they're all the fucking same, can you honestly see the difference between the six fire emblem characters? Because I can't.
Cloud, Shulk, and MAYBE Corrin are great, because they're unique.
>>321344013
They all use the right hand to swing their swords so they're pretty much all the same
>>321343763
Mario has Fireball and Fludd whereas the other have only one projectile. Though apparently that wasn't a good enough reason to not put cloud in the sword section.
>>321341749
>too many human JRPG sword fighters using the same sword style in Smash
FTFY
>>321344176
>Link
>right hand
>>321344152
>Cloud and Shulk
They're the same shit the only thing that sets them apart is their specials
>>321344176
Link use his left hand and Ike use both hands in half of his attacks.
>>321344338
>>321344306
Who cares? Left, right, same shit
>>321344152
Have you played the game? Robin plays nothing like Ike and Ike plays nothing like Marth. The only problem characters are Lucina and Roy.
>>321341749
>mario is both a projectile/energy fighter and a brawler
>luigi isn't
> a shoto
> brawler
Are you literally retarded?
>>321344424
You are just enbarrasing yourself. Please stop it.
>>321344495
>responding to bait
You posted this shitty chart yesterday and got called a faggot for it why did you think it would be different today?
Faggot, enjoy your christmas
>>321341749
>Proectile
>>321344534
I forgot that people act like complete retards just for attention.
>>321341749
The complaint was always too man "generic anime swordsmen". Not only swordsmen per se.
Notice how all but three are anime styled.
Notice how 3/12 have cloned styles.
Notice how 6/12 come from a single franchise.
>pit
>dark pit
>not swrod fighters
>greninja part swordfighter
No fuck you naughty shill
>>321344789
Those are Knives, not swords.
Wouldn't Kirby be in the middle since he gets a sword when he eats certain sword guys and gets a pojectile when he eats certain projectile/brawl+proj people?
>>321344735
>3
I hope your talking about Marth and Lucina who play differently but ill give you that one but Roy is NOT A MARTH CLONE
Marth is a spacier
Roy is hyper aggression
Two TOTALLY different playstyles
>>321341749
>I don't know what disjointed hitboxes are
You're absolutely right that most characters in smash have no weapon and thus are pretty much not disjointed (or massively so). Having a lot of these characters really reduces having an interesting plethora of characters. But your image is kind of not being really true to what matters. The two should be disjointed vs non.
>>321343285
Ike would be in the middle if he could shoot sword waves like he does in his games
>6/12 characters in the circle aren't fire emblem
>6/6 of the fire emblem reps are in the circle
Why isn't Ryu in brawler/projectile? He practically defined that play style in fighting games.
>>321343424
According to that diagram, there is one.
It's the Projectiles that keep the center clear.
>>321344910
With the same moves and nobody but actual smash autists cares about how they play, compared to how they appear. Oh boy, dancing blade. Oh, nice counter. Oh, your up B is just an upward slash. You charging your neutral B? Your up air flips you in an arc with your sword? Your down air spikes? Cool. None of that really matters to me how slightly different they all are when they're all the same thing if I'm not playing the character. And there's a 55/58 chance I'm not.
>>321344863
nigger those are swords, they're the fucking length of his arms, minimum.
Even if the games call them knives they're still a fucking rose by any other name.
>>321344312
Shulk main here. You're conpletely wrong.
>>321345146
So you admit you're a fucking casual?
>DHD isn't a sword fighter
>>321341749
>Brawlers and Energy have tons of varying designs and styles
>Sword Fighters are all just realistically proportioned humanoids, aside from Meta-Knight, Toon Link, and Mii
>>321345532
A duck is not a sword, senpai.
>>321343148
So then Metaknight should be in a knife fighter category
>>321345317
Those blades are 40 cm at best. Too short for a sword.
And dont come with too big for knives.
>>321345614
Dedede isn't a sword fighter
>>321345146
By that terrible logic Shulk must be a Marth clone as well since he has a counter, his up B is a upward Slash and his Dair spikes
Guess what? Thats how it is with not only just smash but most fighting games. Most Dairs in smash spike, a ton of characters have counters, a ton of Up B's are vertical attacks thats just how it is.
Marth's moves and Roy's moves despite SOME of them looking the same function totally differently. A clone would imply they function the same because they are the same, they dont
>>321345532
I don't get it, what does stargate has to do with any of this?
>>321345146
Roy's blade does more damage near the hilt, Marth's is the opposite. Roy's counter is superior. Roy's up special has two angles he can use it in, Marth's has one. Roy's neutral special is a downward slash that OHKOs when fully charged, while Marth has a stab that breaks shields when fully charged. Stop shitposting. Sincerely, a Smash autist.
>>321345685
but you said DHD, not DDD
>>321345804
>"sword fighter" means someone who strictly uses a sword
the term is a blanket for those with disjointed hitboxes
>>321345889
I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Six of those swordfighters are from the same fucking game.
>>321345889
>moving goalposts: the post
>>321346031
you said a duck is not a sword
I am saying that "sword fighter" actually has nothing to do with swords
>>321345889
>Sword fighter
>Not someone who fights with swords.
Sorry about your autism anon. I truly am.
these threads just scream I HATE SWORDS AND ANIME
>>321346205
I'm not. It has allowed me to correctly use video game vernacular.
Pit and Pittoo have one projectile move.
Every other move is Melee centric.
This diagram is fucking retarded.
>>321346320
But it has made you incorrectly use words.
>Fire Emblem has many characters as Pokemon and more than Zelda
Why is this allowed?
>>321346413
Context is important, my friend. In the context of Smash discussion, a "sword fighter" is a character with disjointed hitboxes. This is the reason people complain about "sword fighters", not the aesthetic of a character wielding an actual sword.
>>321345532
>>321345889
And people say tripfags are retarded.
>All of these fucking nuggets arguing about what character belongs where on the chart.
This board is unsalvagable. Categorizing shit like this in the first place is for dumbfucking idiots.
>>321345691
Not that guy, but there are way too many counter moves, especially moves that just are just a copy of Marth's generic "block attack and then immediately counter with multiplied power".
>Roy
>Ike
>Lucario
>Shulk
>Lucina
>Greninja
>Palutena (why Sakurai)
>Mii Swordfighter
>now Corrin
They should all be removed to be honest. You can keep Peach's and Bayonetta's because they're actually unique.
>>321342396
Counters wouldn't be as bad if you actually had to use them well (like bayonettas counter looks to be)
My only problem is that they have fucking stupidly long animations
>>321345660
They connect to form a staff nigga, they are swords. You can't connect two daggers and form a staff that's literally as tall as you are.
>>321346613
how are my statements retarded?
see >>321346546
>>321346432
Zelda doesn't have any more iconic characters
Do you REALLY want another pokémon in the game?
>>321346658
>You can keep Peach's and Bayonetta's because they're actually unique
Peach's counter is the same shit as everybody else, the only unique one is Bayonetta's
>>321346390
actually if you think about it his uppercut arm also count as a brawl move
so pit/pitooie should be smack dab in the center
The problem isn't too many sword fighters.
It's too many sword fighters in comparison to any other melee weapon.
Only sakurai apologists will argue this point.
>>321346835
Peaches counter doesn't double knockback, it just doubles percentage of an attack with standard knockback. Not to mention that its only valid if you hit toad, where as every other counter in the games is valid if your attack hits any part of them.
>>321347054
but sword fighters can be wielding any weapon.
>>321347054
sauce
>>321346658
True but they all function differently
Roy's is much stronger but is shorter
Ike's is active longer but weaker
Lucario's is active for a LONG time but hits harder
Shulk's is very strong but the timing gets more strict the more you use it
Lucina is a pure clone counter yes
Greninja attacks come from the opposite direction you were attacked from, which can lead to some interesting combos
Palutena's is shit agreed on that tho
Corrin's is special in the fact it can hit on both sides
>>321347147
Only if you have autism.
>>321347054
Legitimately curious, are there really enough Nintendo characters that use melee weapons other than a sword that would make up more than the sword characters included in smash?
And I mean like main weapon shit, not "DK can have a barrel hammer sometimes" shit. Swords are kind of the go to weapon when it comes to games mang.
>>321347054
this
you cant lump in all the other characters in as "brawlers" to inflate your meme image
>>321347147
you can wield my dick
>>321347270
I'm just trying to bring the true issue to light. When somebody complains that Smash has too many sword fighters, do you really think they take issue with the fact that so many characters use a sword as a weapon? If you ask me that's far more autistic than anything I've said. They take issue with the abundance of disjointed hitboxes, making melee combat feel more out of balance.
>>321347054Unless you include Fire Emblem characters, the only 'other weapon' your getting is Dedede's hammer. The vast majority of Nintendo characters either fight with their hands/bodies or energy.
>>321347287
There are enough in Fire Emblem to give some decent weapon coverage.
And yet every single character from that game HAS to use a sword. Even the guy who uses magic. Gotta have a sword.
>>321341749
Does it bother anyone else that Link and TL arent actual swordsman? Like they randomly just got some swords bestowed upon them, at most you got tutorials on how to mash A and do the spinny attack, other than that they swing it around like cavemen
This has never bothered me till pretty recently. At least I assume the FE characters and Metaknight were trained swordsman
>>321347269
What about my boy Little Mac?
>>321347393
>do you really think they take issue with the fact that so many characters use a sword as a weapon
Yes.
>>321347269
>greninja's counter strikes from the opposite side
>he doesn't know how to control Double Team
>>321341749
>Brawlers and Projectile
>A variety of characters from different games and Genre
>Sword Fighters
>Fire Emblem, guest starring Shulk and Metaknight
>>321347393
No when people say there is too many sword fighters, they are talking about the weapon in their hand.
>>321347528
Standard in terms of counter damage and time its active but the way he lunges forward means it can be used to recover
But that also means if someone were to hit him from the back while he was trying to recover with counter he would fly away from the ledge to his death
>no halberd users
If there was ever a diversity movement to back, it would be this
>>321347636
>>321347594
and you're calling me autistic over these people? the sword is literally the most used weapon over all cultures throughout all of history. of course a large group of the cast is going to use the most popular weapon. not to mention it is much easier to animate sword attacks than say, a halberd.
>>321347742
>halberd user
>getting manhandled by mario: the character
>>321347840
Halberds are cooler than swords.
Almost all of the sword characters are from the same game.
>>321347440
Well of course there is that, but the iconic characters still use swords predominantly, sure they could include some of the offhand lords or units but what would be the point?
Hell everyone bitched about how Ganon DIDNT use a sword. Other that fire emblem there really aren't many other characters that use weapons other than swords. Hell even throughout time there are only a handful of stories about legendary weapons that aren't swords.
If anything the complaint should be about clones in the FE sector, not swords.
I get why people bitch about all the goddamn sword fighters, but there isn't really too much viable alternatives that don't use swords that people would give two shits about.
>>321342519
Palutena, Kirby (not counting final smashes).
>>321347742
Name a nintendo character other than from FE that uses a halberd (Hell even name a memorable character from FE that uses a halberd)
>>321344306
>being this assblasted over nothing
>>321341749
This graph is fucked. Stop posting it.
>>321341749
Isn't Ryu a PROECTILE/energy character?
>>321341749
Those are fucking awful categories to begin with
>>321347054
Lots of characters in smash use different weapons, but usually just for a single move rather than for most or all of them.
>>321347269
They all "function differently" but in the grand scheme of things they're just tiny variations. It's like comparing two humans, they have obvious differences but they're still the same species, and vastly more similar to each other than they are to, say, a tree.
There are many other better down Bs they could have. Robin could have easily had a counter (there's already a precedent with Fire Emblem) but instead he got a drain move that was completely unique. It would not be hard at all to replace all the counters in the game with properly unique moves. I understand that clones exist as filler, but with full-fledged newcomers there's no excuse.
>Happy Holidays
lol what a faggot. Afraid you'll trigger someone you Cuck?
WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IF WE GOT HECTOR INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE THREE NEW FIRE EMBLEM REPS ADDED IN SM4SH
>>321347515
Some links have some form of training.
SS link was trained in the academy, TP link is self taught with his wooden sword and training dummies in his front yard. WW Link had that old dude on his home island.
Every other Link is either untrained or in a sequel.
All FE Lords besides Ike are Royalty and get formal training. Ike is the son of a mercenary, was taught by his dad or something I think.
I don't care about sword users
there are just too many FE faggots
>>321349250
Im not excusing them but atleast most of the counters arent exactly the same so its not that bad.
Not saying less is more, and I was never one of those "anime swordsmen" haters, but shit, Corrin was really kind of crossing the line there. Already had so many FE reps and sword users. And its not justifiable by saying well he's just a clone since obviously he isnt. He stole a slot from a potentially more interesting/popular character. Not even a Daisy/Waluigi/Goroh/Crystalfag
>>321342519
Ness?
>>321343295
It's the other way around, actually. It's a bow that can break into swords, not swords that can break into a bow.
>>321350140
>He stole a slot from a potentially more interesting/popular character.
>slots
>>321350140
>stole a slot
What the fuck does this even mean anymore.
>>321350675
He has the development time and effort of a full non-clone character, with an alt model and unique mechanics to boot. Its stupid to say we could have gotten K.Rool instead of Dark Pit, but I dont see whats wrong with saying that the time/effort spent on Corin could have been used on another completely new character
>>321346658
are you asking why palutena has a counter or why is it so bad
>>321350140
>Daisy/Waluigi/Goroh/Crystalfag
only delusional people on the internet would call these more popular
>>321351123
I didnt say that they were, I agree with you
>>321351027
Both.
Literally any of her custom moves would have been a better default.
>>321351013
Let me put it this way.
Why would other characters be more deserving of the development? Which ones in particular?
What, exactly, is WRONG with Corrin?
>>321351013
K Rool was never going to even be considered.
It was going to be a character from an upcoming or newly released game. The staff suggested Corrin, Sakurai was unsure, they convinced him he'd make an interesting character.
It was basically Corrin or Inklings, who are gonna most likely be in Smash 5 anyway.
>>321350140
I have no problem with Corrin being added whatsoever.
Too many white characters in Smash. Nintendo is racist. #BLM
>>321350140
He can transform various parts of his body into dragon shit at will. His sword is a chainsaw.
He's a fucking shapshifter chainsaw wielder. How is that not interesting?
>>321351338
>personality is bland at best, cringey at worse
>is a blatant advertisement that costs money, all the rest of the DLC was fanservice
>has a neat animation gimmick but the playstyle doesn't appear particularly unique or interesting
I mean its not like it's pink gold dark pit but for a character that was among the last batch released in the final smash direct you think they would've gone for a bolder, hyper choice. I can't imagine there were people nearly as excited for Corn as they were for Cloud or Bayonetta
>>321341749
>Too many fist fighters on SF.
Happy holidays faggots
>>321352145
People got a barefoot waifu with a chainsaw sword. There are always people who love the fire emblem games, even if not EVERYONE does. It may be an advertisement, sure, but that isn't mutually exclusive with also being fanservice.
>>321352145
>playstyle doesn't appear particularly unique or interesting
the pinning lance looks like it will be interesting, especially in doubles.
Plus normals that help him recover and a projectile that turns into a melee move is unique to him.
>>321344429
Roy's similarities with Marth are also fleeting thanks to changes to both his moveset and changes Marth has undergone since the Melee days. Fuck Lucina tho
so why does FE have so many reps anyway?
is it really that hot in japan?
>>321341749
>G&W is projectile/energy
>not even mixed
Holy fuck, I can't believe this retardation.
>>321354391
Marth, Ike and Roy were grandfathered in.
Lucina was a last minute edit to an existing alt costume.
Robin was totally new. Corrin was at the request of the dev team.
>>321344440
He only uses his fireball.
Mario uses that and fludd. He also uses fire for his side special, those are 3 moves
>>321341749
In technical terms, Brawlers and Sword Fighters are the same because they both deal close-ranged physical damage.
People just complain that way too much characters hold swords in their hands.
>>321346835
>Zelda doesn't have any more iconic characters
Neither does FE.
I HATE GAYSWORD MANS AND ANIME
xmas bump
YOU FORGOT PEACH FAGGOT
>people don't play pure brawler master race
It's a fucking shame Corin had to be basically ruined by being another FE character considering the playstyle actually looks cool
>>321342519
Kirby
Villager
Ness and Lucas
>>321358917
>Buying a videogame
>Not playing all the characters.
>>321360383
>the originating franchise determines how fun a character is
I have to disagree. I fucking hate Final Fantashit but I enjoy playing Cloud.
>>321360825
I should rephrase, It's a shame the reaction to Corrin had to be ruined, people were already getting tired of seeing FE reps so this one being thrown in to practically advertise an upcoming game left a pretty sour taste in people's mouths
>>321341749
Why is Mario listed as a brawler/projectile mix but Luigi and Doc arent?
Also half the people listed as pure brawler have projectiles
D3 should be considered a swordsman or at least a brawler/swordsman hybrid.
He may not have a sword, but he's got a disjointed weapon all the same
>>321360825
I agree with this, never played Xenofag but Shulk is fucking fun to use.
>>321341749
the issue isn't that you have 12 people that fight similarly or something
its the fact that you have 12 people that use a fucking sword
Villager and Samus might be "projectile based fighters" but they couldn't be more different. They aren't two average height humans with swords.
>>321341749
A sword is but a single type of weapon though, so even for that small portion of the cast, its still hugely overpresented, that third group should have axes and lances and other weapons mixed in, not all be swords.
>>321352448
They all have radically different special abilities and styles of play minus the shoto characters, also street fighter is actually a fighting game.
>>321362080
Hell to be honest, I think he'd be best in the middle. He fits the bill when it comes to those categories pretty solidly.
> Gordo's are a projectile and are important to his game. He'd fit nicely in the projectiles category.
> I'd say his grab's and D-tilt would put him in the brawler category
> It's not quite a sword, but it is disjointed and he uses it for almost all of his attacks.
>>321341749
There's so much wrong with this image I don't know where to start.
Character's placements are almost entirely arbitrary and the categories themselves are.
>>321347742
Meta Knight :^)
>>321354352
Roy has more unique animations, but other than a very small number of moves, they still all function just like Marths and have the same/similar hitboxes with the sweet spot moved.
Friendly reminder Sakurai fucking knew from the start that having Corrin as another Fire Emblem would make people upset
He fucking knew
But Bamco and Nintendo told him to do it anyway
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/12/23/496/
>>321341749
>all that visual/moveset variety in brawlers and shooters
>swordsmen are mostly sameface anime characters or FE counter-ers
Thanks for proving their point.
did smash advertising save the new kid icarus games too
>>321343285
Corrin should be there, his neutral-B is a chargeable energy attack that stuns. The bite is an addition that only happens if someone is at close range.
Reminder that Smash 4 focused on more modern newer characters to help push that Nintendo is more respectful to newer franchises and isn't reliable on nostalgia
Brawl only had 4 modern characters, Olimar, Zero Suit, Lucario and Toon Link
Everyone else was nostalgia who appeared years in the past
>>321364703
in the original smash pikachu was the new character being pushed
>>321365012
Pokemon was always being pushed in every smash
They had to represent the newest generation no questions asked because Gamefreak wants it that way
64 Pikachu and Jigglypuff for Gen 1
Melee had Pichu for Gen 2
Brawl had Lucario for Gen 4
And Smash 4 brought Greninja for Gen 6
>>321365285
yeah but my point was that when the original smash hit and it was billed as iconic nintendo characters duking it out, there were people legit upset since pokemon was so new. we werent sure if it was here to stay or just a passing fad. some felt it hadnt earned a spot with the likes of mario or link yet
Learn how to organize your weaponry right, OP.
>>321364391
>I personally felt that having too many Fire Emblem characters was a problem
and yet he did it anyway, this is why he is a hack
>>321365285
It's more complicated than that, Pokemon is a licensing clusterfuck, whenever a Pokemon character is added Sakurai has to get Nintendo, Gamefreak, and the Pokemon Company to agree. Sakurai pretty much gets no say on which Pokemon gets added because of this.
>>321365990
>Sakurai pretty much gets no say on which Pokemon gets added because of this.
Sakurai had his pick of the litter for smash 4. He chose Greninja personally.
>>321345739
Not him but that all boils down to
>the same character but with a few small properties tweaked
>>321365990
>>321366573
>For example Greninja, even before his name was decided I received several illustrations
http://mynintendonews.com/2014/12/31/sakurai-talks-about-the-inclusion-of-greninja-in-super-smash-bros/
They have him by the balls
>>321366630
I don't see how that shows they have him by the balls.
XY was still in early development when Sakurai was deciding the roster. He literally created greninja based off of concept art. That's all the article says.
>>321341749
>ignore the fact that the sword fighters play almost exactly the same and are boring/come from the same franchise
that's okay i'm sure you've disregarded plenty of other things
>>321367138
Exactly. Pokemon Company said that he was adding a pokemon from XY no matter what.
>>321350647
it's swords that form a bow you retard
the bow then breaks to form swords
>>321367215
while that's totally within the realm of possibility, the article says nothing of the sort.
You're just making speculation
>>321365012
In the original Smash, everyone except Samus was advertising a game on the N64 that was out or going to be out at the time.
>Earthbound 64 never ever
>>321341749
Surely Game and Watch should be in Brawler, his only projectile is neutral B
How many main characters could we use that wield a melee weapon that isn't a sword? It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it's going to pan out. Main characters will always get in first over supporting characters, and main characters tend to use swords, especially in fantasy settings. All those FE characters who are mages, axe wielders, archers and what have you were fucked because they weren't the stars of their games. At the very least, I'm glad that the trend for FE newcomers in Smash is starting to downplay the sword use and focus on the series' other gimmicks.
>>321367381
Every single one of G&W's moves uses a weapon of some sort. He's in no way a brawler.
>>321341749
Brawlers:
>people who punch
>people who slap and jab
>people who claw swipe
>people who mostly kick
>people who flap their little arm nubs
>people who flail their bodies around erratically
>people who slide around and use fire/energy attacks and other weird shit
>Dedede who uses a fucking hammer
Swordfags:
>people who slash and stab
>>321367242
It isn't. It is a bow first and foremost. It just happens that most his moveset consists of using the sword portion. Why do you think the original introduction in Brawl had him holding the bow and then snapping it into swords? Even in Uprising, it's classified as a bow, and turns into swords for melee attacks.
>>321362808
>My fighting game is better than your fighting game.
Yeah, no. They both are.And filled with artists too
>>321351678
Ganondorf or Mr. Game & Watch? If they count?
>>321367162
>the sword fighters play almost exactly the same
Well I mean, Marth, Lucy and Roy play similar and Link and Toon Link play similar, but those two groups play totally differently and they're totally different from Ike, Mii Swordfighter, Meta Knight, Shulk, Cloud and Robin. (and the Pits if you count them)
>>321367610
Also,
Brawlers:
>huge spiky turtle monster
>anthropomorphic animals
>electric rodent
>a couple realistically proportioned humans
>cartoon dinosaur
>fluffy spherical warrior
>a fucking robot
Swordfags:
>human, human, human, human, human, and Metaknight
>>321341749
Pit and Dark Pit use their swords for every single A button attack, they should be in the same category as sword fighters
>>321368656
It's stupid that swordfighters are even a category
>>321368656
They use their bows for every A button attack, you mean.
>>321341749
Fighters who only use a sword
Fighters who use punches and many other attacks
Fighters who use projectiles and many other attacks
>>321367610
>>321368521
can we get a proper chart to really show the differences so that swordfags can be finally btfo'd?
>>321368873
It's only a category because this is a response to the arguement that there are too many sword fighters in smash.
If you reduced other categories down to like "martial artists" "psychics" or other similarly specific categories the problem would be more obvious, or if you pointed out that the problem is human anime sword fighters are boring and adding more isn't very creative (nobody has a problem with Meta Knight)
>>321369076
That's purely semantic though, because they use them as swords.
>>321364659
Most likely. Although Sakurai's hatred of sequels prevents it from going any further.
>>321355234
FE literally only has one character that you could even argue is iconic at all. How the hell they had 6 reps blows my mind.
>swords
>>321369789
Don't forget dark angel marth
>>321347606
>Double Team
It's Substitute you retarded shit
>people always bitching for axe users
>when they would literally function exactly the same as the sword users
>>321369721
- Marth is the face of FE
- Roy was added for advertisement, and later brought back due to fan demand
- Ike was a well-liked character from a recent FE game
- Robin was added for his unique playstyle and because of Awakening saving the series from cancellation
- Lucina was a bonus alt
- Corrin was for advertisement and his unique playstyle
There you go. Now you know why they had 6 reps.
>>321367242
Nigger the weapons are literally called the palutena and silver BOWs.
>>321370016
i always forget about him. i didn't have him unlocked and i literally never even notice until yesterday
>>321370128
>Awakening saving the series from cancellation
Stopping Awakening from being made has replaced kill hitler as my highest priority goal if I ever get a time machine.
>>321369586
>hates sequels
>makes nothing but sequels
>his favorite game is a nearly annual franchise
>i am talking about fire emblem
>clones characters
>literally sequel characters
>idolizes george lucas
>actually likes shota
>is japanese
>hates project m for being a mod, but created brawl which was just a melee mod and sm4sh 4 which has much of the same assets reused again
>destroyed hal labs
>prefers casual gaming to "hardcore"
>didn't put x character into smash that i wanted
>listens to people who complain on the internet
>tells only lies
>has carpal tunnel
>is a meming ruseman
>is a manletpic related its hackurai himself
>>321370284
why?
>>321370284
Where's your kickstarter? I'd like to support.
>>321370368
Because fuck Fire Emblem and fuck you
Merry christmas
>>321370284
>implying that'll affect this timeline and not your personal one
You'll just have disappeared off of the face of the earth to us while you travel down a splintered version of your own timeline.
>>321370464
merry christmas
Axe users would just be a sword user that can only tip and lance users would be boring characters that do nothing but stab.
>>321370531
>>321370413
and then he can keep all that kickstarter money to boot. genius!
the thing is, for the vast majority of normal people that don't read up on exact frame timings of hitbox positions, fox shooting a laser and mario throwing a fireball is a MUCH BIGGER difference than fast, weak sword vs slow strong sword.
>>321370365
>sm4sh 4 which has much of the same assets reused again
Nigger what?
They used new models for most of 4 bar a few items and trophies.
Also annual franchise doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>321370590
>Dedede
>villain
>not hero or at least supportng character
Pokemon should all be considered suporting characters too 2bh
>>321341749
I'd say Corrin is the only one to go in the middle of it all
>>321370763
mewtwo was a villain though
>>321343464
He also doesn't have the Pits in the sword/projectile part. Or Dedede in the Brawler/projectile,
>>321370929
>still listing Dedede as a villain
>>321343429
Peach isn't in Sm4sh obviously.
That or OP is a fag.
How do you even play smash?
I just can't get into mindset.
>>321370936
Not in the games he wasn't.
>>321370128
Then I could make a case to add 6 characters from just about any series if this is the case. 2 were just ads and 2 had "unique" play styles.
I bet a shy guy would have a pretty unique play style, he still shouldn't be in the game though.
>>321343429
Shes in the yellow circle wearing a blue dress for some reason
>>321371156
>pick up controller
>have fun
It's a simple yet addictive game.
>>321370681
yeah how about you check out some of those sound assets and compare them friend also check out some of the animations on non fire emblem characters like dorf for example.
from 2002 to 2005 fire emblem was an annual franchise
it was nearly annual as in every few years from 1990 to 2015 with its biggest no games gap lasting only 4 years.
smash 4 is bad because ridley isnt in etcedera what you wanna argue about next?
>>321371201
Shy Guy would be better than another anime swordsman
People complain because the game went from
>game involving brawlers
to
>game with lots of FE sword fighters who all look really similar and aren't memorable at all
>>321371308
liberally an gooman?
>>321371365
Wut
