GENKAI WO KOERU
What would you rather have?
Nip voice you can't understand or mopey English voice?
>>321336103
This should have been what FF7:R looked like.
>>321336206
A fucking language I can understand, you stupid weeb faggot.
>>321336206
English voice
he stands out for no reason
>>321336206
the original with subs
>>321336206
Personally I don't like Cloud's English voice so I'm fine with having a ching chong voice.
>>321336641
Did you forget about Marth and Roy?
>two songs for Midgar.
I'm still disappointed. The fuck man.
>>321336206
English. It's considerably less justifiable than Red and Blue sword lord guys, because Cloud has had an established English voice for a good while who is even currently voicing him in the remake.
The voice, combined with a few other things, like Midgar only have two tracks ripped right from the original game, make Cloud feel like either SE was limiting Nintendo heavily, or they were trying to get away with a bare minimum of a few things.
FINISHINGU TACHU
>>321336762
in the jp version every character speaks nip except samus
>>321336762
I'll ask you what I ask everyone who prefers Japanese to English.
Do you speak/understand Japanese?
Boku wa makenai!
>>321336762
Marth and Roy are only left with nip voices because "lol that's how they were in Melee" and their identity is "those two Japanese swordsmen from Melee"
Ryu could've just spoken Japanese but he has a dub voice. There's no reason why Cloud doesn't
>>321336762
>Did you forget about Marth and Roy?
Marth and Roy actually only spoke Japanese at that point though
That's why Ike and the 3 waifubait are english
>>321336103
Hyaaa!
>>321336974
>Samus
I assume you mean ZSS, but... why?
>>321336103
What did he mean by this?
I like his jap voice. It's manly and sexy. No homo.
>>321336206
Nip voice cloud sounds cool tbqh. But either one is fine by me.
SHOW ME YOUR MOVES
>>321337202
I prefer the original voice work of any media, it's not about preferring one specific language over another.
But I was referring to Cloud's voicework specifically. I just don't like Steve Burton's voice. I already got sick of him in Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia, him being absent in Smash is not a big loss by any means.
>sakurai even admitted he is broken as fuck
Enjoy your nerf.
>>321336974
All of the Mario characters speak English, including Wario. Bayonetta 1 outfit is also English only.
>>321337986
Oh I see, so you're some sort of elitist faggot who's more concerned with persevering the integrity of something's original release rather than being able to understand things in your native tongue.
>>321338164
really
what makes him so broken
MINNA, MITEITE KURE!
>>321337202
Not that guy, but I speak Japanese. Not that that has anything to do with it because you don't need to understand a language to appreciate good voice acting. It helps, but there's much more to a quality voice than just the meaning of what is said.
>>321338216
>Bayonetta 1 outfit is also English only.
Whatchu mean?
>>321337305
What did he mean by this?
>>321337743
Im fine with his voice, but everytyme he grunts like his ko or star ko sounds so fucking forced or unnatural
>>321338296
It's a fucking fight game. The three meaningful things that any character says in battle are variations of "Yay! I won!", "I am attacking!" and "Ouch!"
Why do you care so much that all of that's in English? Why not give a little bit of color to the cast of a game that's already filled with English-speaking characters?
>>321338413
Bayonetta 1 only had an English voice track, even in the JP release, so in JP Smash, her Bayo 1 costume will include her English voice.
>>321338302
>super good reach
>super good damage
>super good speed
>>321338413
In Japan, Bayonetta's default outfit has a Japanese voice, but the Bayonetta 1 alternate is English audio.
>>321336206
anime cloud sounds cool
>looking forward to Cloud because of the FF stuff that would be added
>only two ripped tracks, not even 1 additional trophy like Ryu
it's too fucking barebones, decided not to buy it for that price jee golly
>>321338639
>What is mac the first week in the 3DS
I wish Ryu got his Japanese voice, I really like it in SFIV
Why did they have to give it to that mongoloid sounding fuck
>>321336206
eng va since they got ryu's english va
>>321338296
>elitist faggot
So, what, so do you watch foreign films dubbed? That is fucking awful.
I'm sorry if you think that respecting original intent is is "elitism". I'd really hate to be you. I bet your next response will be about how inconvenient it all is and how you can't stand reading, or some nonsense. Voice lines don't even matter in a fighting game.
>>321338375
But you're fucking wrong.
You may speak Japanese, but those who can't aren't going to make an accurate assessment of proper delivery or timing because Japanese and English sentence structures are different.
>>321338824
HATSUWAGI SENPUKAN
>Cloud has his original voice while Ryu is in english
Dual audio when?
>>321336974
Captain falcon only speaks English, despite his VA being a Jap, even if it is limited
>>321338784
Look kid, Sakurai even admitted he was broken in an interview.
>>321338613
That statement applies to all forms of media, not just in this case.
And a couple reasons, most notably I speak English and the character in question speaks English with his English VA in almost all forms of media he's appeared in in the last decade, except for this one.
>>321338639
>cloud
>good range
>>321338915
Hopefully never, unless they find a better VA than Burton, I can't stand his raspy voice.
>>321336206
fun fact, weebs often prefer jab dubs because the language barrier masks the cringeness of the shit they are saying
>>321338915
I'm cool with J-Cloud but English Ryu is the worst thing.
>>321338784
You're right, and he ended up getting nerfed hard after that. What are you getting at?
>>321338870
Basic human emotions transcend language, especially in fighting games where nuance doesn't matter. You're also completely ignoring the fact that dubs are liable to change the delivery/context of a line willy nilly.
>I fight for my friends
What did he mean by this?
>>321336859
Looking at all the shit we're getting with Bayo, I'm guessing SE is to blame.
>>321336103
will smashfags ever get over this cloud shit?
>>321338868
If I could interject, comparing dubs of video games to dubs of live-action movies is kind of absurd. Even ignoring how it's way more of a case-by-case basis for video games, there are a lot of other factors you're ignoring (like how typically fictional characters are designed before getting a voice, or how even in the original language they can very easily change voice actors, or how lip-syncing is a different matter entirely when comparing video games to live action films).
TWO FUCKING MIDGAR TRACKS.
Seriously, what the fuck man. They even had two different FFVII tracks in their trailers that could have been released with Cloud + Midgar.
>>321339294
>get a load of this guy, Ike never fought for him.
Wow man I feel bad that sucks
>>321339294
More like I fight for Soren's dick, amirite?
>>321338870
>but you're wrong
Wrong about what? Wrong that there's more to voice quality than just one single aspect?
And sorry, but anybody with ears can understand good and bad voice acting. There's a reason why a lot of 80's and early 90's dubs are considered comedic: anybody can listen to it and understand how bad it sounds.
Moreover, if somebody has the same opinion as me but didn't speak Japanese, they're not inclined to be correct and are just lucky that they're correct? Or is it that I'm correct and they're not despite sharing the same opinion?
Stop boiling everything down to one simple aspect. Things are never that black and white.
>>321337576
Fucking weeb faggots will justify this
>>321339230
His poor air game was even there just like cloud
Still is easy to ko cloud if you know what are you doing
You faggots need to stop bitching and git gud
>>321339294
>I fight for my friends
but he's a mercenary
>>321339294
I think he's implying that you're fighting for a reason that is not quite as good as fighting for your friends.
>>321339328
It's not absurd considering the kind of argument he's making. He's arguing for English dubs because they're "understandable" and because supposedly it's impossible to understand the delivery of a line if it's in another language. Both of which would perfectly apply to any form of dub in any medium.
I'm more than willing to acknowledge that voice work in video games is a completely different beast. But in terms of fighting games, the way the lines are delivered is what matters, the actual words being spoken are less important. And in my opinion, jap Cloud's delivery sounds better than anything Steve Burton could put out.
>>321339428
>Dick
>Not boipussy
Nigga
EEEEEEEYA
>>321339653
>killing at 60% against some characters.
>little to no lag on some of his moves
>the reach on his down smash.
He just needs endlag on some of his attacks and I'd be fine with that.
>>321338868
Giving two shits about a language that you can't understand is complete faggotry and all you're doing is a disservice to yourself because you're to picky to put up with the occasional shoddy dub.
Don't drop your reading glasses, grandpa, you're gonna need them.
>>321337510
isnt ike only english at the victory screen?
he sounds like he has a japanese VA in-game
>>321340074
HOH
>>321340216he's so pretty
>>321339845
Alright, fair enough.
If I were to argue for English dubs, it'd be that I'm relying on the English script anyway, so any JP voice work going along with that might as well be white noise, but as you've said, that doesn't apply so much to fighting games. With Cloud, it's the inconsistency more than anything else that annoys me. You're free to have whatever opinion, though.
>>321338639
>>321338164
>>321338302
he said he WOULD be broken if he didnt gimp the fuck out of his recovery (no ledgesnap, literally the same reach as Little Mac, no horizontal option etc.)
learn how to read jackass
>>321339723
Did you play the game
I assume it means all his crew during the firdt game since the lines are from Brawl aka Path Of Radiance
Idk
Did anyone else just realize Cloud is intangible during the startup of his limit break attacks.
>>321340523
but if anything he'd say "I fight for everyone" or "I fight for peace"
really it's not fitting for him, it's more something that Marth would say.
>>321340206
Ike has full english voice
Dunno why but he sounds kinda boring in nip
>>321340627
Makes sense
>>321337305
Boku wa Make ja nai
>>321340627
he is? He sure as hell isn't on finishing touch. There were so many times I could have killed my opponent but I got hit during the start up frames and wasted the limit break.
What characters shit on Cloud?
>>321340856
Same here. Maybe Finishing Touch is exempt.
>>321340856
Not finishing touch, no invincibility, comes out on frame 16-17
>>321340887
Both Pits, Mega Man, Bowser Jr,Link
Basically characters with a heavy projectile game and can zone Cloud out.
>>321340887
Anyone who can intercept his recovery, so most of the cast
Bonus points for characters that don't die super early to moves like uair/fair/bair, thus requiring a limit break special to kill reliably
>>321340887
Any character that has proper OoS options or good projectiles to wall him out. He has little combo potential out of throws outside of reads, and no killing throws, getting grabbed by Cloud isn't that big of a deal. Heavy characters don't get KO'd by his limit break attacks easily. (DK's ding dong works well on him since he is a fast faller)
>>321336859
Marth had his game remade on the DS, the only character in Smash who should talk in Japanese should be Roy.
>>321340169
I hope you don't think that insults and buzzwords are convincing arguments. That'd be embarrassing for you.
