How can tr4sh players even compete?
>>321304803
Ok grandpa, it's time to put you back in the home.
why the smash4 fox even follow up again? He was already dead.
Why are meleefags so insecure?
>>321305221
This
>>321304803
>so insecure that you have to post a random online game vs. 2 tournament level players fighting each other on christmas eve
Jesus you cherrypickers just keeping on going.
>>321305130
Just putting salt in the wound.
>>321305221
I think I can safely say as an outsider that there is massive amounts of shitposting and insecurity from both
>>321304803
I don't get it, both of those videos are shit
>>321305343
and you keep on replying
thanks for the bump
>>321305359
Oh yeah?
smash 4's entire roster is viable.
melee is fox. that's pretty much it.
>>321305819
What good is viability and balance when the overall gameplay is boring.
>>321305819
god you had to poke the fucking bear.
Why did you poke the fucking bear
>>321305130
That's considered "styling" in smash 4.
>>321305935
because doing that is fun
>>321305819
Well marth, shiek, falco, fox, jigglypuff and maybe peach you mean. Still, if only 5-6 characters are viable that's not a good thing.
>>321305819
Fox being the only viable character is only at the highest tiers of play, and currently no one is at that level.
Also 4's entire roster isn't viable for tournament play, no matter how good you are at reads, your ganon is never winning a major tournament.
>>321306150
Oh yeah?
>>321306150
>no matter how good you are at reads, your ganon is never winning a major tournament.
I dont understand this statement when Ganon has to hit you max 5 times to take a stock.
>>321306907
his recovery's still shit, gimped easier than captain falcon and little range. His moves in general are pretty slow as wel.
>>321307862
>his recovery's still shit, gimped easier than captain falcon and little range. His moves in general are pretty slow as wel.
None of these things apply if you made a correct read in the first place
>>321308043
Well of course that doesn't matter if you play 100% perfect, you idiot but that's not the point
>>321305819
Yeah that isn't true at all, have you tried learning the game instead of assuming.
>>321308850
well based on op's webm and pretty much every melee tournament video I've seen, it's fox vs fox
>>321308253
>Well of course that doesn't matter if you play 100% perfect, you idiot but that's not the point
That's entirely the point.
If that Ganon had a great day, he can win.
It's the player, not the character
>>321308957
You haven't seen many Melee tournament videos then.
>>321304803
i dont know why each side complains that the other isnt playing their game
why would you want shitters playing your game and shitting it all up?
this is why the Digimon Rumble Arena 2 community is so based
>>321309271
I can smell the "HYPE WOOOOOO MEMES" fanbase from this webm. Looks boring like most GameCube games.
>>321309201
A great day is landing a few up tilts and reverse warlock punches and maybe getting a jv4, but unless you're up against complete fools, you're not going to play perfectly
>>321305547
Yeah
>>321309816
There's no point in talking to people like you about this. I've been around competitive fighting games(and games in general) too long to know you can't count anything out.
All it takes is the right player to click with the right technique and it's all over.
>>321305130
>He was already dead.
no he wasn't
>Melee
Fox
Falco (clone of Fox)
>Smash 4
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Zero Suit
Rosalina
Diddy Kong
Sonic
Pikachu
Yoshi
Ryu
Mario
Captain Falcon
Cloud
>>321309201
>>321310017
That is wrong especially for games to smash 4/brawl. One of the biggest issues for characters like ganon is that they have to work super hard just to land 1 hit. That would be sorta ok if there was a good reward for it, but in smash 4/brawl there's not. So you're stuck with a character that has to make the hardest of reads just to do any kind of damage, never mind killing. This just straight up doesn't work the better people get at the game. Even if ganon is 100% on point, he still stands a good chance of losing to zss/sheik/mario because they dominate at getting the single hit (aka neutral) AND get good rewards for it.
>>321310380
Because no one is playing Ganon right but that's a different argument.
>>321309271
>Using glitches and bugs to win
>"WOOOOOO SO COMPETITIVE!!"
>>321310294
Don't forget Ness, Villager, and Meta Knight.
Dark/Pit may even be approaching this tier.
I love how you can tell the scrubs by how they're thinking of characters versus characters instead of players versus players.
M2K plays Fox and Armada plays Fox.
M2K has no patience and will get bodied by Hungrybox playing Jiggs and planking.
Armada reads Hbox like a book and stomps him every single time.
Nobody uses a character's full moveset all the time and plays the exact same as anyone else anyways.
Complaining about Foxes is like complaining about seeing too many Sentinels choose the mango color, it's just a crybaby nitpick from sore losers supporting a noncompetitive game.
But of course Tr4sh is literally a community of casual elitists so I suspect they won't understand this anyways.
>>321310715
>I love how you can tell the scrubs by how they're thinking of characters versus characters instead of players versus players.
this
>>321310683
>Ness
Lucas is objectively better.
>Villager
Only in 2v2
>Meta Knight
He's pretty bad. Sakurai went overboard on nerfing him since Brawl.
>>321309271
>Melee tournament videos
you mean shine -> upsmash or ken combo for the millionth time?
>>321309271
oh, i'm sorry. fox vs whoever really doesn't want to win
>>321310625
Except the game is working exactly the way Sakurai programmed it.
Too bad m8s, 20XX happened.
>>321310380
>ZSS
As a heavy main I cannot express how much I hate this character
>Safe as shit
>Get out of disadvantage free card
>Can reasonably end stocks at 70
She fucks over hevies so bad. Sheik and mario don't even compare in terms of being custom built to shit on heavies
>>321310715
>eceleb faggotry
>>321310593
People are playing him right, he's just not a good character. At a certain point it doesn't matter how good you are if the character you're playing just can't compete with other characters in terms of options, ability, etc.
>>321305221
It's not insecurity. It's just when you're playing something that has such a high skill requirement, and you see people playing something with LESS options and is SLOWER all around, you have to wonder: why the fuck would anyone choose to play that instead?
If any other game was released and had all the technical aspects cut, /v/ would lose its shit over it, but not when it comes to smash.
>Tr4sh
Can this meme die?
Go back and pick on Brawl. Smash 4 is a wonderful game.
At least it doesn't rely on a glitch to be competitive
>>321310964
>>321310715
>tr4sh
>casual elitist a
>thread was literally started by a Meleefag elitist
>>321310986
>People are playing him right
They're trying for sure. You need a traditional fighting game mindset to understand where he accels at but then you need to know how to play smash.
No one who can place in a major in a traditional fighting game is really playing smash lets be honest.
My close friend was a ranked Melee player in teams and solo and quit smash for SF4. He recently placed Top 8 at a major. We still play smash casually and he's with me on my stance on Ganon.We also agree we're never gonna see it happen either
>>321310715
Fox is objectively the best character, idiot.
All the pros have a pocket/secondary Fox or main fox.
>>321304803
The same way any faggot that play any smash game competevely can.
>>321310294
You're right in that Smash 4 has a lot of diversity, but Melee isn't actually that bad itself and people understate the hell out of it. It's not even those two, plus Sheik and Marth too, you got Peach, Captain Falcon, PIKACHU (who people counted out until fairly recently iirc), Samus, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Dr. Mario, even Ganondorf is actually pretty decent in Melee. And AMSA has been doing fantastic things with Yoshi that people haven't ever even seen.
>>321309271
>Top 8 Losers
>>321310715
>sentinels
it's kind of shocking how the patterns you see in the MvC2 community repeat themselves in melee.
>wahh all you see is cable, sent, storm, mags, psylocke, cyke, and capcom!! this game sucks no depth!
>wahh fox is the only viable character melee more like no roster amirite
the funniest part about it is that most people who say shit like that can't even play those characters in the first place.
>>321311340
He doesn't work in Smash's environment. A perfect Ganon vs a perfect Sheik will ALWAYS lose.
>>321305130
Smash is all about momentum and nerves. Westballz suicides for dair kills in Melee for example because it fucks with people. There are lots of blind spots in edgeguarding depending on the match-up, but knowing your opponent with a stock lead will sacrifice an 80% stock to gimp you in an unrecoverable edgeguard just to beat you even faster can really get in your head. It's a big sign of disrespect and makes you feel like you're never safe.
>>321310127
>>321310127
Wait, can Dorps actually pocket that final smash?
>>321306452
Yeah (:
>>321310625
that glitch wasnt to win, just showboating
>>321304803
I like how you didn't saycasualbecause that's what everyone who plays those games is.
Give it some time tr4sh will die out
>>321310294
>Falco
>Yoshi
>Cloud
>Falcon
I certainly hope this isn't what you consider to be top tier in smash 4. Shiek, ZSS, Pikachu, Sonic, and Rosaluma are seperate from everyone else outside of that is Ness, Mario, Diddy,Luigi, Ryu, and Meta Knight. Fox is strongly debatable
>>321311153
>At least it doesn't rely on a glitch to be competitive
Because it's not good enough to be competitive
>>321305819
Sheik,Yoshi,Luigi,Peach
pretty much youre just a scrub
>>321310815
>Ness
FOW and others have been doing well with him. Haven't seen many Lucases outside of Pink Fresh.
>Villager
Renai, aka the ZeRo of Japan, would say other wise.
>Meta Knight
He's not broken, but he's good now. Solid punish game with some "touch of death"-esque combos.
Abadongo, Leo, Tyrant, and many others have proven this.
He's very viable.
>>321311397
Then why was everybody considering banning Shiek for over 5 years because of how good she is?
Fucking retard.
>>321304803
first one looks a lot prettier
>>321311479
Plub ended up back in winners I'm pretty sure because he beat Leffen...you know how tournaments like EVO work right?
>play brawl with some friends
>they're all casuals
>they comment on how slow it is and on how melee was more fun
I respect Sakurai, but he really fucked up in regards to gameplay holy shit.
>>321305221
>>321305283
Samefag
>>321309271
>>321312259
You don't get back to winners after going to the losers bracket. The best you can do is reset the bracket by sending the winner of Winners Finals to losers with you.
>>321311607
Why do you still bother, it's clear he's the kind who thinks every bottom tier is Potemkin and it just needs to wait for its own FAB to shine.
>>321312384
This x1000
My casual friends didn't like brawl or smash 4 and thought it was too slow/boring. Its not about competitive, Melee is just more enjoyable to play. It feels way better.
>>321310715
So you guys actually don't play melee but watch the show of m2k and friends?
Play the game how it was ment to be played, with only FE characters
>>321308850
Not him but i don't like competitive Smash brothers. And i can't use Shulk or Palutena on melee.
>>321312384
>play sm4sh with casuals
>they have the time of their life even with items
>laugh their asses off at silly shit like wii fit trainer and villager
>play with bombs and bumpers on max on a scrolling stage
shit's crazy man
>>321312903
Silly movesets are the best though.
>>321311445
But most of those characters are rep'd by one person. And these players don't get top results. Usually, you get the top 6-8 players playing with Spacies, Marth, or Puff. Armada plays more Fox than Peach now, I think. The only entries that I noticed that were increasing have been Samuses in Plup and, I think, Duck. Axe is still repping Pika. Throw in the occasional Shiek from Shroomed or M2K, and that's potentially all the characters you'll see in a top 16. Other characters may show up, but they usually get the vulpine dick.
>>321312534
truth. Smash should be as chaotic as possible, not "friendly" or "fair". The game should be a riot.
>>321312534
What the shit are you on about? 4 player melee is the most boring shit ever
>>321312039
When the next game comes out, you know like when brawl died
>>321313324
You are dumb as fuck. To this day melee still has the best pokeball battles, among other things
>>321312175
Because they don't want her to compete with fox
>>321313000
I dunno man, gimmicky movesets kind of put me off playing characters.
The design ethic for movesets seems to change with every game, if a straightforward character like Pikachu was added in Smash 4 his moveset would probably be so much different.
>>321313586
Naturally since they'd have more to work with. In 64 and Melee Pikachu had two games for move set inspiration which was very limited'. Making a 2D sprite back in 64 into a 3D fighter was quite the accomplishment especially given the fact he walks on all fours. If anything he'd probably use Iron Tail instead of Skull Bash for side B and villager like balloons to for up B to simulate Fly (a move he can learn by event)
>>321311785
No.
>>321313458
Brawl died long before 4 came out
>/v/ supports a guy that intentionally fucks up the physics in his own games because good physics are too competitive for him
Hope you don't expect to have momentum on your running jump. Sakurai will add that as DLC for the next Smash game.
>>321311086
>why the fuck would anyone choose to play that instead?
Maybe because the roster isn't locked to like 6 characters?
Melee is the Marvel vs Capcom 2 of Smash Bros.
Only difference is that the Marvel fans eventually switched to the newest game because the more balanced roster opens more opportunity to see some creative matches besides lasers and up throw into up air.>inb4 down throw intuo up air complaints
>>321310946
As a DDD main ZSS is easy as shit to beat when you realize pretty much all of her setups require you to be on the ground.
>>321314363
This, Apex 2013 (~22 months before SSB4 Wii U) was pretty much the last time Brawl was on an equal footing with Melee and it was all downhill from there. Its decline arguably started even earlier than that because Brawl had 33% more entrants than Melee at Apex 2012.
>>321311086
Maybe it's because Smash isn't a fighting game, anon, therefore, no one caring to pick the best game with the most options.
>>321313006
>Armada plays more Fox than Peach now, I think
Armada is back to playing Peach for the most part. He only goes Fox against specific people now really.
>>321313519
>>321312613
I don't think many melee players play competitively beyond a local scene and maybe a few tournaments. They are much more inclined to watch. Maybe melee babies are just upset that smash 4 has taken over a lot of local areas.
>>321310964
>>321311191
What am I looking at
>>321304803
melee fags are pathetic smash was never a hardcore fighting game get street fighters if that's what you want
>>321307862
>I have no idea about ganondorf's Jedi ledge grabs, and shockingly good vertical recovery
I bet you didn't known you could wall jump with Mac either. Go back to Fox/yoshi's story.
>>321316748
project M's fox AI
>>321314923
>ZSS
>Losing to an air camping DDD
You are fighting some shit ZSS mains my friend
>>321317084
Vertical recovery doesn't mean shit when you get touched once off stage and can't get back.
He can't even get back if he gets hit at a semi-spike angle.
>>321317084
>>321312434
>no one responds once they get btfo'd
Tr4shfags everyone
The competitiveness of each Smash game depends on the audience Nintendo is targeting which is usually dictated by the system it's on.
>>321310715
>using the "tr4sh" meme
>calling anyone else elitist
Not only are you a cunt, you are also pretty devoid of self awareness.
>>321305819
Only viable characters in 4 are Sheik and Zss
I like Ryo because he mains my boy Ike
>complexity makes a game inherently more competitive
>which is why the most popular competitive game in the world is a casual version of a WC3 mod
>the most popular fighting game in the world requires half the mechanics of its predecessor
>the most popular FPS in the world has a one hit kill gun
Both of those fights in that OP image are an absolute disgrace and the players should be executed for violating the Laws of Smash. Smash is a PARTY GAME, as explicitly stated by Lord Sakurai himself. Where are the items? Where are the hazards? I bet they even chose their own character instead of doing it Random character, Random Stage. Fucking disgusting.
>>321310883
but he did win against fox
>>321318259
Dota is more complex than WC3 though.
>>321318367
He was talking about League as the casual version of [Dota]
>>321318273
Nope.
Smash is a COMPETITIVE ACTION GAME.
such was stated on the nintendo dorect entirely dedicated to smash.
So fuck off and die partyfag, nintendo has already spoken.
>>321318259
those games are also btw
>>321318049
>tier whoring
A lot of low tiers can do pretty well unlike melee
>>321314819
mvc2's viable roster
sent, capcom, storm, cable, psylocke, mags, cyclops, iron man, ken, ruby heart, anarkaris, sonson, juggs, blackheart, spiral, iceman, and colossus.
melee's viable roster
fox, falco, marth, sheik, falcon, pikachu, peach, puff, yoshi, ice climbers, samus, and young link.
people who argue that these games have "like 6" viable characters don't even fucking play them.
>>321318981
This is why it's so easy to pick out shitposters in fighting game threads, you have to actually know something about it or else you sound like a fucking retard and everybody knows it
(inb4 lelelel melee isn't a fighting game XD)
>>321318981
>young link and yoshi are viable
>doc isn't
>>321319779
I play more MvC2 than melee. Forgot strider and doom, though.
Yes, doc is viable.
After watching a bunch of Melee videos, Smash 4 looks like it runs underwater.
>>321314819
Besides what >>321318981 said about the roster, the change from MvC2 to 3 was not as mechanically drastic as Melee to Brawl and 4. It's like going from Morrowind to Skyrim in terms of game features. You're left wondering "how did this happen and why do people praise it?"
I'm not gonna complain about downthrow upair. In fact, I'm glad it exists cause it's nearly the only fucking combo in the game. The ONLY redeeming factor actually is downthrow upair. The game is fucking shit garbage without combos and would benefit from more. All they have to do is reduce the massive knockback on everything, reduce all the ridiculous fucking end frames on most of peoples moves, and add a tiny more bit of hitstun and it would probably be a really fun game. Instead, you're stuck with the only 'good' combo in the game, downthrow upair, which leads to stale ass gameplay.
My main complaints are about rage and the shitty hitboxes, but I'm not getting into that.
Oh, and the only "viable" characters are ZSS and Sheik, maybe Ryu and Rosa. The rest will just get destroyed by those 4, no question. Smash 4 will have an even smaller list of viable characters than Melee when it's all said and done because they don't even have movement mechanics or other tech to help them compete. Enjoy your dead game.
>>321319973
You also forgot green mario
>>321319979
I hope some day Wii U modding takes off in the way Wii did. A Project M-esque mod for Smash 4 would be great to see.
>tr4sh players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BauYUveoQn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHmkKQDcOX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19oTeKAC-gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMpsz2E9664
Literally the latest EPIKK 360 NOSCOPE MLG DUBSTEP memelords
>>321319979
That's pretty much what it is, people only play it because it has their favorite waifus and anime swordsmen in it.
Melee will live
Sm4sh will die(its successor will too)
'Tis the nautral order of things.
>>321318981
I'm pretty sure all of Hax's "viable" plus Doc and Young Link have made top 8 at majors (~300+ entrants) in the past year. Maybe Ganondorf, but that might've been at smaller scale tournaments. I don't care what anyone says, that's viable in my book and pretty damn good for a game with 14 years of meta development.
>>321320591
The Ganon thing started with Melee, it's just crept in to every single Smash game now.
A Ganondorf can take the smart option in any Smash game and yet people watching will go "OH THE FUCKING DISRESPECT I JUST CAME"
>>321320770
If you're counting smaller scale tournaments then literally every fighting game has its list of viable characters expand.
>>321320591
>Doing a regular move against some dumb 10yo kid online
>WHOA LE EPIN DISRESPEKT SIKK READS BRUH WOMBO COMBO
>>321318280
Then why wasn't he in grand finals
>>321311086
>If any other game was released and had all the technical aspects cut, /v/ would lose its shit over it
that has happened and /v/ has lost their shit about it.
>MGSV
>Fallout 4
both were a step down from their predecessors in several ways, and you better believe /v/ made sure everyone knew it
>>321320591
>jelly because he doesn't even have online to make mlg montages
>>321311086
>it's not insecurity, it's just being baffled at people playing a different game than yours
oh, okay.
>>321321509
>expecting neo-nintendofags to admit a Wii U game has flaws
Kyk.
>>321321609
Wii U diehards on /v/ are only like that because they are constantly spat on and belittled for having any faith in Nintendo at any given time. After years and years of divisive consoleshit it ended up mostly being PS diehards shitting all over Nintendo, Nintendo fans being constantly defensive, and PC "master race" types just stealing their games and mocking everyone else for not being able to steal/mod their games.
>>321321509
>>321321609
Aside from the tournament threads with people who enjoy the game playing in it many of the threads made about Smash 4 do nothing but criticize it. What's with this idea that /v/ ignores its flaws and prefers it over Melee when it seems pretty obvious to me that most of /v/ prefers Melee?
>>321306150
You are simplifying the issue with your statement about reads that allows people to try and counter it with >>321306907 which is very wrong.
It's not JUST the reads that matter, it is frame data.
Ganon can not take advantage of actual consistent things or even create openings.
>>321306907
The issue with making correct reads all the time is that it's not possible.
On top of this, a character that can take advantage of more things, have more chances at making good reads and better reads and apply pressure or punish things more effectively is not consistently placing despite doing much better than Ganon can with it.Talking about Captain Falcon just so you know
It is not about getting 5 hits in to take a stock.
It's about how well you can get those five hits in to take a stock. And Ganondorf is not good at that, which is why he is considered a bad character.
>>321321609
>Smash 4 is a wii u game only
>>321321948
and yet despite people apparently not liking smash4 on /v/ it is like 90% of threads whenever anything related to it happens, and like half/half the rest of the time
>>321312434
>Its another Leffen not knowing the matchup webm
Any other Fox that would know the matchup would crush Samus.
>>321312403
>Reply is less than a minute later
Dat insecurity tho.
>>321305221
It's not Meleefags specifically.
The people who shit on Melee and the people who shit on Smash 4 are actually shit at the game they play and think shitting on the "opposing game" will compensate for that and make them look big. This is especially true for shitty Melee players. "well at least I don't play Tr4sh! LOL!"
TL;DR /v/ sucks at video games.
>>321311086
>why the fuck would anyone choose to play that instead?
Same reason why some people prefer to play SF3 to ST, SFV to SF4, 2002UM to 98UM.
Because they want to. Although sometimes players would try newer games and end up not liking the game and go back to their game of choice. Other times the game just "clicks" with someone.
Although there are debates concerning the quality of these games in the FGC, it never reaches the turdfest that Meleefags make.
You see, if the game isn't 100% identical to Melee, they'll sperg out. They'll throw a fit if the characters can't move like a kid with severe ADD and get flustered if you even imply that another game can have a meta because apparently Melee is the only game that can have it. Add to the mix that Sm4shfags are equally as autistic, they to start to shit fling and talk shit, leading to quality Smash threads like these.
>>321320591
>STOP USING MY INTERWEBS FOR YOUR OWN CONTENT
>THIS DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME REEEEEEE
We tumblr now.
>Not just playing Project M, the superior Smash game
>>321305071
Ggrandpa doesn't want a hipster fucking Vespa if he can ride a 426cc dual sport.
>>321306150
Look! He posted it again!!
He's honestly completely right, but LOOK he posted it again!!!
>>321318525
Fucking pedants
>Viable Melee characters
Fox
Falco
Puff
Marth
>Viable Smash 4 characters
Sheik
ZSS
>>321323989
fox should be facing the other way on the top half of the right picture
>>321305221
I've always wondered this. It just comes off as insecure and overly defensive whenever I keep seeing "HURR TRASH SUX MEMELEE 4EVER" threads being made.
>>321314363
>>321315085
unfortunately tr4sh is going to stick around longer than brawl. Brawl virtually had no online and the graphical jump from melee to brawl wasnt big enough to warrant playing it. But melee is 10+ years old, tr4sh is more balanced than brawl, maybe a little more fun, decent online
tr4sh is sticking around until sma5h
>>321315085
>>321314363
>>321313458
This shit times millions.
We are dealing with the same arguements all over again. People are already discussing Brawl NX already.
>>321318981
>that many viable characters in mvc2
Maybe in the lowest level of play, realistically only the four god tier characters would be seen in a tournament, possibly some top tiers like Cyclops, doom, strider or the other one depending on the players. Honestly I don't care about diversity as long as a game's mechanics are deep and the it is both interesting to watch and play. For a game as old as melee is the character diversity is actually amazing.
>>321324257
Most of /v/'s Melee fanbase either sucks at Melee or doesn't even play it, preferring to just watch streams.
I'm not saying that this is the only type of person who dislikes Smash 4, I'm just saying that's the only person who bothers to throw around the word "Tr4sh" anymore. It stopped being funny to make fun of Smash 4 like a week after it came out, most people actually decent at video games just leave the game they don't play alone and play the game they do play, the only people I see shit on Smash 4 like that anymore are massive shitters or people who shittalk anyone and anything, meaning it isn't as if Smash 4 is their only target.
That's why Leffen is really the only top player to openly mock Smash 4, because Leffen openly mocks everyone, being a dick is his shtick.
>>321324314
I definitely think 4 will have way more longevity than Brawl, but it'll be more of a plateau compared to Brawl's rise (above Melee) to fall (literally deader than 64).
>>321316996
Play Melee for frame perfect input and hard reads with a 2D platformer.
Play fighting games for memorizing inputs and sluggish set moves.
Play Brawl or Brawl 2 for retarded platforming, hold left or right to recover, and momentumless jumping in a snowflake of a simplified platformer.
Melee is rally racing while Tr4sh is commuting in a Prius.
>>321324648
The god characters are always dominant but you sometimes see one of the characters swapped out for a specific assist, like Cyclops you mentioned. Same for Psylocke.
Captain Commando also pops up from time to time.
>>321312434
HOLY FUCK
>Melee tournament
>Climbers
>Puff
>Sheik
>Fox
>Marth
>Cool matches
>Fox loses to someone
>Everyone excited to see where the matches will lead
>Fox ends up winning the tournament anyways.
>Smash 4 tournament
>Rosalina
>Wario
>Ryu
>Mario
>Yoshi
>Pikachu
>Bowser
>Zero Suit Samus
>Sheik
>Amazing matches for tons of characters
>Sheik loses a match
>Everyone excited to see where the matches will lead
>Zero wins with Sheik again
>Only recently did he lose to Nairo's Zero Suit finally.
At least the scene is Smash 4 seems to be getting more variety in characters. Especially Trela's Ryu, its a beast from what I have seen of it. It would be nice if someone other then Fox won a Melee major. I'm sorry if saying this upsets anyone.
>>321305221
this
>>321318981
>all those melee 'viable' characters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh my fucking god
>>321309271
You prove there's not only fox by showing fox?
>>321305819
I prefer 4 to Fox Onlee but this is incorrect, Smash 4 just has more tiers than 'Fox and Marth' tier and 'Unviable' tier.
>>321312070
Fox has amazing frame data, but lacks (hard to see coming) kill options and a good recovery, those hold him back. Not to mention his fast fall makes him combo food despite being so light.
I think he's the top of the A tier, with S being Sheik, Pika, ZSS, Rosa, and A starting with Fox. Big gap between Sheik and Rosa though.
I consider Fox to really more between low S and high A. Sonic, Mario, Diddy, Ryu and that big chunk of characters comes next.
Just my opinion as a Fox main. He has too many weakness to be S, but too many strengths to be grouped with most of A.
Smash 64 is still infinitely more fun than the shitheaps that have been produced under sakurai's development leadership
the models are like 16 polygons and the analog sticks are all broken but it's still more crisp and fluid and fun than the shit sakurai, fcking intentionally gutting the game for shitter babbies
>>321326067
Stop being retarded. Fox is so easy to Counter in melee.
Unless you are fighting somebody who can waveshine and L Cancel everything, you're up for a fight with odds better in your favor.
______
Why do pussies get psyched out from obvious dumb shit so easily?
Signed:
Chad and Stacey.
>>321326431
>Fox is easy to counter in Melee
Because the only other viable character is Marth
Does it really matter who plays what. I feel like both groups spend more time bitching about each other then actually playing their game. Sm4sh and Melee.
>>321325364
Hungrybox destroyed armada at dreamhack. Try again tr4shcuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5pE4dAm8k
This was a pretty cool match. Didn't know how good Ryu could be till I started seeing Trela's Ryu in matches. But it did feel like Esam's Pikachu is just better.
>>321326647
Peach
Samus
Pikachu
Captain Falcon
Yoshi
Falco
Sheik
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Pichu
Get gud, fgt.
>>321305819
lmao good luck beating a good sheik as Zelda or Dr Mario even if you have mastered them
>>321327093
I almost replied seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BYqkKsOywQ
This was another cool match I found. Nairo's Zero Suit is a beast, even against that really great Ryu player.
>>321327592
I always thought ryu was pretty meh. That guy makes him look like a pretty amazing fighter.
>>321326778
The people bitching here don't even play either game.
>How can tr4sh players compete.
There's still things like:
>Teching out of grabs
>Teching spikes
>Teching jab resets
>Stalling
>Spiking
>Reverse kill moves
>DI mix ups
>Stage spiking
But smash 4 does have that awful rage mechanic, and it's mostly 4glory players that either start abusing shields, projectiles, grabs, or all 3 just to stall and piss other players off.
If you unironically main:
>Pitt/ Edge Pitt
>Ness
>Sonic
>Toon Link
>Link
>Little Mac
You're a shitter and always will be.
>>321327592
Why does tr4sh "pros" look like retarded children?
>>321327858
Look up more of his matches if you are interested. If he catches someone at decent percent, his Ryu can jab lock you to build up damage, and lead it into a true shoryukan to instant kill. Its really amazing, I think he is why Ryu is now in the same tier as Sheik is.
>>321326647
Bitch nigga, you and everyone you play with aren't good enough for the fox only meme tiers to apply
the ability to hit the inputs for a top tier tournament fox takes a special kind of autistic prestidigitation
>>321304803
How can melee players even compete?
>>321310380
>work super hard just to land 1 hit
I main Ganon and honestly the only characters that give me serious trouble are ZSS and Sheik. Ness is also kind of a cunt. Other than that, I win consistently
>>321328169
9B is another reason, he's probably a better Ryu than Trela.
Meele would be very average without glitches.
It is the Halo 2 of Smash.
>>321328280
>even with hbox's ledge stalling melee looks miles faster than 4
haah waaw
>>321328057because they are
>>321304803
In what, this kids game? Grow up and atop having shit taste in games
>>321325325
Pretty much the whole final match of the set was like that if you wanna see more, skip back to 11:00 if you wanna watch the whole set between (not quite as hype but still good).
https://youtu.be/vXbS1Pb0g_g?t=1174
Why do losers care which smash game is better when they suck at all of them?
>>321328301
>tfw you finally git gud at faking people out with Ganon's tilts
>tfw you get banned from playing custom gannon because of his sword neutral B
>>321318259
What games are you referring to?
>>321329093
League is the first one.
MVC3?
CS:GO?
>>321329093
>casual version of a WC3 mod
Dota and LoL
>most popular fighting game in the world requires half the mechanics of its predecessor
I'm guessing SF4 but I'm pretty sure SF4 is only super popular in NA like arent brs and shit still playing fucking KOF?
>FPS has a one hit gun
Guessing CSGO but every gun in the game is a 1 hit if you can AIM
>>321304803
Fox player denying a shit toon link on the edge compared to tourney fags playing melee.
Not really fair desu.
>>321328280
what's funny is that OP's melee clip isn't even cherry picked, it's a pretty boring kill on the fox, not even that fast or a crazy combo. plus it's fox dittos on final destination so it might be trying to meme.
>>321322507
That's not true, even people who are good at Melee frequently shit on Smash 4. The only difference is that good Smash 4 players just don't give a shit about Melee.
>>321328054
>He can't fight Little Mac
Nigga I know he's a trillion times better than people pretend he is but he's not as piss easy as Ness or Rosalina
