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*unsheathes spider shield*
>Any of the BS in Dark Souls 1 match the shit in DaS2
The game only became playable when you get 25 Adaptability.
>>321282463
I always took the key and never did blighttown
Dunno why you bothered
>>321282867
git gud
>>321282867
You just suck at video games
>>321282463
>mfw they don't respawn
Fucking casual shit
>>321282867
Literally beat the game on my first playthrough with a knight class without leveling up or summoning phantoms.
I didn't have much trouble with them because they don't respawn. You can cheese most of them with a bow if you're slow and careful, and the ones you mess up on you can just use some Blooming Moss. They are annoying because out of nowhere you just see your health draining and TOXIN! I'm surprised people have made such a big deal out of them given they only take 1-2 swipes to kill and don't respawn.
>>321283163
>game doesnt continue to punish you once you prove you can do it
Making certain enemies non respawnable is good game design.
>>321283231
It's also a core mechanic of how you progress in the game, along with unlocking shortcuts.
>>321282598
This.
>>321283225
>its easy when you cheese it
no shit
>>321283275
People didn't have the spider shield for blighttown? How horrifying. The game gives you it right before you enter blighttown though, so no reason not to have it.
>>321283225
>>321283324
>using a very deliberate in-game mechanic (a fucking bow and arrow)
>cheese
fuck off
>>321283324
>game gives you a bow
No, don't use it! That's cheating! Stop!
>>321282867
>soulsbabbys
Your dodge gets twice as many iframes by default compared to other popular action games and you can further boost it, but you still whine.
>>321283382
>bow
>cheese
I SHIG LE DIG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FOIkllnjMg
>>321283382
What I did for some was hide behind a pillar, pop out and fire a shot, then duck back. I sorta consider that cheesing.
I did the same thing for the first titanite demon. Had a lot of trouble avoiding his attacks (just fucking jumped up and shit on me time after time), so I stood back and fought him with a bow while he threw lightning at me. Took a few minutes but worked.
>>321282598
>having a sheath for your shield
>>321282463
>tfw always take master key to skip most of blighttown
For as many areas that DaS1 has that are great it also has so many bullshit areas that it makes replaying it tedious as hell.
>>321283324
>use the tools at your disposal to overcome an objective
>S-STOP CHEESING IT
Just because you were too stupid to figure out what to do doesnt mean you are better than him. The only time someone actually cheeses something is if its an exploit or the developers plainly did not intend for something to be as easy as it is (i.e. getting the drake sword)
For literally every single enemy you come up against there are certain items/weapons/armor/rings that will greatly help overcome it, using these tools effectively isnt cheesing it.
>>321283493
>>321283431
Oh really lets see you name some then.
>>321283231
You know what's BETTER game design?
Shitting on casuals who quit the game like the whiny bitches they are
Souls games become easy as fuck once you beat the game ONCE
every fucking thing in dark souls is considered cheese because the game is so badly made and unfinished, which is why enemies are so easy abuse
prove me wrong
>>321283607
>Shitting on casuals who quit the game like the whiny bitches they are
No thats just pathetic
Stop being pathetic anon, stop it.
>>321283408
>>321283543
I'm sure anon wasn't complaining about his methods, just pointing out that it's obvious that "cheesing" in general makes a game easier.
![9c03df72995eb570aaee9555c387516b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jY57Dp4.jpg "9c03df72995eb570aaee9555c387516b[1].jpg")
>tfw master key shortcut
problem solved
>>321283382
>>321283408
>>321283543
The guy literally said himself he cheesed it. Everyone that is shit at games always get overly defensive because they are insecure as shit.
>>321283543
>(i.e. getting the drake sword)
I agree with everything you said except that. I think the developers may have intended it, or at least it's only barely exploiting because you know you can cut off tails to get weapons, so one would imagine you can shoot them off too. I'm sure plenty of people tried shooting the drake at various spots. I know I've shot at many enemies from god knows where.
I consider throwing fireboms into the Capra demon or Manus to be an exploit. That's clearly not intended by any means.
>>321283658
Stop being a fucking casual, you little bitch boy.
>wahh wahh ez mode is good game design
Suck my dick.
>>321283726
>find out about master key
>never fucking EVER pick another starting item EVER again on any of my characters across roughly 200 hours of ds1
i can't be the only one?
>>321283758
And? That doesnt make him right. He didnt cheese it he just played well.
There is plenty wrong with DS, its one massively flawed game. But that doesnt mean people have to make incorrect judgements on it or others have to let them make those judgements.
>>321282984
some of us like playing the game instead of skipping through half of it
>>321283969
>blighttown is half the game
I like exaggeration too
>>321283969
Blighttown isn't fun however.
>>321283801
>because you know you can cut off tails to get weapons
But you don't. It's the very beginning of the game.
Anyway, it only takes a single person to figure it out. After that this knowledge will spread through the word of mouth and orange soapstone signs.
This way game developers can get away with putting ridiculously convoluted secrets in their games, because out of tens of thousands people playing, someone is going to find the solution, because they're bound to statistically.
>>321283939
bikka bonga rakka takka bing bung dun be meen
>>321283995
You skip Lower Burg, Depths and Blighttown as well if you use the shortcut
You can also skip many other things. Dunno why any of you bothered with any of them :^)
>That feel when I actually like Blighttown and the Valley of Defilement
The Gutter was kind of shit though. Those statues were just plain obnoxious.
>>321283454
My nigga
I skipped Blighttown on my first playthrough because I didn't realize I could go there from the Depths. It was interesting hearing about the other path.
>>321284115
If I'm not feeling upper Blighttown I still kill the Gaping Dragon, gotta get dem souls. But upper Blighttown can be annoying with its rickety bridges and and shit.
>>321284132
The Gutter looked pretty shit, compared to the other two, but I liked the layout better than in Blighttown.
>>321284010
Blighttown is a happy trip through a park after Valley of Defilement
>>321283919
But you don't even need the Master Key to do the stuff it unlocks anyway.
The only thing you really miss out on super early is Havel's Ring.
Witch's Ring is the best item by far.
>>321284208
None of the rickety bridges are mandatory though. You only have to walk one if you're clumsy enough to fall into that one trap.
>>321284256
>waifufags
Nigga c'mon that ring is useless
>>321284256
>Witch's Ring is the best item by far.
That's not the pendant.
>>321284256
>Waifufags
>>321283919
I usually take the huge roundabout path via Darkroot Basin. I find it preferable than just starting out with some key.
>>321284075
That's how I found the drakesword. Went down on the bridge and found a high rated message that said "try shooting tail"
>>321283919
As far as I remember, it's the master key vs
a) a selection of consumables experienced player have no use for,
b) a small +HP ring whose upgraded couterparts are found in the game anyway
c) the Witch Ring for the Chaos covenant.
So no, in DS1 the consensus is to either go with the MK or the Witch Ring.
>>321283726
You don't even need a master key - just get to B-town via woods.
>>321284625
Choosing blackfire bombs is basically like choosing the demons greathammer, since the only useful thing you can do with them is cheese asylum demon on your first encounter
>>321284625
>a) a selection of consumables experienced player have no use for
You can use the black firebombs to kill the Asylum Demon and get his weapon on the first cycle.
>b) a small +HP ring whose upgraded couterparts are found in the game anyway
Its description is actually really deceptive, because on the gift selection screen it says it "restores a small amount of hp".
>>321282463
>mfw no shield playthrough
I don't know how I'll manage them.
>>321284790
Which again is an item obtained later in the game. Doubly so because you are going to royally fuck your build to viably use it
>>321284872
Forgot to add, you don't need the Witch's Ring to join the Chaos Covenant. It just allows you to understand the Fair Lady.
So all in all the Master Key doesn't let you access any extra content.
The witch's ring and firebombs save you a whole NG cycle, if you're into collecting stuff.
The Pendant is kinda the same, since the only other way to get it is random drops from Forest Hunter PvP.
>>321284934
>you are going to royally fuck your build
>MUH QUALITY BUILD
>MUH HEALTH
>>321284934
Getting to start the game with such a massive str weapon still feels unique enough to me to count it as above most other gift choices.
Really after a certain point EVERY gift becomes useless in someway or another. Either being replaced or finding it's one purpose and then never needing it again. It's all just a matter of how soon you want certain shit.
>>321284313
>>321284376
>Waifu
But Solaire is a guy.
>>321285519
>>321284075
Maybe on your first playthrough you don't know tails drop weapons, but soon into the game you do, and you can go back and try it on the drake. You fight the Gargoyles and find it out which is right at the Parish.
>>321285162
I love that the firebombs let you kill the demon so they aren't just a useless item.
And I love that the game offers you these interesting options, especially the master key. I think its inclusion is genius because it makes the game so interesting to replay.
>>321285661
Well, at Gargoyles you really ought to have a +5 weapon already, and the Drake Sword is hardly any better.
It's only really useful as a crutch for shitters who look up guides etc. Of course you can get it in a later playthrough, but then you should already know that it's not a good weapon.
Although, for collecting purposes, I usually do that with a bow as well. The way the drake moves when it's on the bridge makes it hard to hit the tail.
>>321285906
It's pretty okay for an early weapon but it's definitely not good for hellkite's tail drop.
That fucking aerial dropdown fire attack is bullshit.
>+5 weapon at gargoyles
i usually fuck around with +3 weapons there, did you go out of your way to get that better titanite?
>>321286072
You get +5 with regular shards. You must be confusing it with DS2.
>>321286174
wait really? i don't remember, so large are for +5 to + 10 and chunks +11 to +14 and slab for +15? it's been a while
>>321286313
well +5 is still shards but more or less yeah
>>321286313
Sonotori.
>>321286470
and a chingchong pingpong to you too
>>321286470
No Andre's from Astora.
>waaah waaah stop using magic
>waaah waah stop using bow
>waah waaah stop using the master key
>waaah waaah stop using the drake sword
>waaah waaah stop using X you cheeser, play the game according to my arbitrary rules
If a deliberate game mechanic is broken, the game it's simply bad designed, and that's not cheesing for sure. I bet you were that """hardcore""" kid that got angry every time someone were using a sniper in counter strike.
>>321286856
>waaah waaah waaah waaah
>>321286856
No one in this thread has complained or cried about using a certain weapon or item.
>>321284010
doesn't matter, the only way you know about the blighttown skip is by reading guides.
Casual scum
Consider me weird, but I've never skipped blighttown on any of my playthroughs.
>>321287093
Actually I came across it randomly
Started with the master key on my first play through and went out of my way to explore
>>321287093
...or playing the game?
You know you can get to that area from darkroot right?
>>321287093
are you fucking kidding me?
>>321282984
Because I played through it on the first day and didn't use a guide.
>>321287093
>>321287247
You don't even need the master key.
I stumbled upon it on my first playthrough when I was going through the valley of drakes.
I went into Darkroot after Gargoyles, because I forgot there was the door to Lower Burg on the bridge.
>>321287379
>because I forgot there was the door to Lower Burg on the bridge
I assumed most people forgot about that door honestly.
I sure as fuck did.
>>321287093
Or by finding the Valley of the Drakes before the Depths, which is quite common.
>>321284934
>Which again is an item obtained later in the game.
By knowing exactly what unique item to trade to the crow.
>>321287379
I didn't find the Darkroot route til later
I found the Blighttown shortcut before I beat the Taurus Demon
Wanted to see as much of the game as possible and I found a lot of items to experiment with too so it was cool
>>321287592
>>321287528
>>321287493
>>321287379
We will NEVER have this good level design in games. NEVER EVER
>>321287493
I also wasn't aware there were stairs under the Firelink Shrine leading to where Anastacia is, until like after Anor Londo.
anyone feel like helping with o&s? level 90, steam version
>>321287861
>can't beat O&S at 90
hehe
>>321287861
>>321282984
Took the key, still did all of >>321284115
Not using a guide or anything. The game hands you shit right before you need it the most without telling you.
I don't get why people think blighttown is bad. I actually like the place. I think the only place I've been to so far is the beginning area where there's no exploration but duh.
>>321284873
Easy, don't get hit
What were their names again?
>>321287736
I do love the stupid shit you can do with the Master Key and knowledge of the game.
4 Kings as your second (non tutorial) Boss is such a dumb idea, but it's technically doable.
You could also beat the game without setting foot in Undead Burg.
> Since Dark Souls every other game has been a disappointment
>>321288089
I actually liked Blighttown. The vertical level design is cool.
>>321288149
Slam & Jam
>>321282867
>24
I boosted it to 40 while still having vgr and vit at 6
>>321288149
Pikachu & Snorlax
>>321288236
Same. I like the elevators leading down. I did find the trolls annoying but most of the time they would get stuck on the bridge or fall off trying to follow me.
>>321288149
>>321288089
If Blighttown didn't run at 10fps, and didn't have a literal shit filter over the screen it would be one of the best areas in the game.
>>321287093
>by reading guides.
It says a lot about the so-called "difficulty" of the Souls games when simply reading a guide can halve or often just eliminate the difficulty of many of the game's challenges.
That's why Soulsfags are so insecure and always accuse or suspect others of using guides.
>>321287736
You could always play a good Zelda.I swear to God if you can't do shit like this in Zelda U I'm giving up.
>>321288236
It's still quite linear though. There are two turns you can take to get the Iaito and kill the monster thing to get the Power Within, but they loop back onto the single path that leads you down to the swamp.
>>321288159
Don't you have to beat Sif before 4kids?
Also, you kinda need to go through UB to get to Anor Londo.
>>321288149
Peanut Butter & Jelly
>>321287861
Level 90??? Bro. What are you doing? I was ~50 and beat them with no summons.Go human and summon Solaire by the Black Knight Archer on the steps.
>>321288149
Spade and Farley.
>>321288459
>Black Knight Archer
>>321288459
It's ng+ and solaire just melts. I know I'm terrible.
>>321283454
>the exploding skeleton ones
The leading cause of death of my barb, after iron maiden enchanted elites
At least in D3 you get a warning before molten/grotesque explosions
>>321288406
Yes, but there are a lot of branching paths leading to items.
I like doing the full route on every playthrough, entering through the dephts, gathering all the items on one side, heading down to pick up all the stuff in the poison swamp, beating Queelag and then heading back up to the VoD entrance.
>>321288418
>Don't you have to beat Sif before 4kids?
Yes. Second non-tutorial boss.
>Also, you kinda need to go through UB to get to Anor Londo.
Nope. Firelink to New Londo to Valley fo the Drakes to Darkroot Basin to Darkroot Garden to Undead Parish to Sen's Fortress.
What is the lore on the Blighttown anyway?
Why is there a city in the sewer?
Are its inhabitants human? (or at least WERE they human once?)
*Kich* *SHIKAW*
>>321288406
So?
>>321288689
>>321284790
Not necessarily you only need half its str requirement to 2h it, meaning 25str, which js easily doable before sens
>>321288653
Yes. In the first game you get humanity for killing a number of HUMAN enemies in the area, before defeating its boss. And you get it from the enemies in Blighttown too.The fire breathing bugs are actually also humans, you can see the faces if you look carefully.
They were just the poorest of the poor who got kicked from the Burg and eventually into the sewers and below. It must have happened many generations ago.
>>321288459
>What are you doing?
I'm a different guy, but farming the pike formation dudes in the Painted World. I can't believe how many souls they give you.
>>321288840
>you only need half
You need 2/3rds.
>>321288653
I don't remember therebeing much information on the matter, but in my headcannon it is built by the mutated survivors of the catastrophe that occured in Izalith.
>>321282463
Fucker. At least they don't respawn soyou can just sacrifice yourself and take out as many as possible
Blight Town is my favourite area in the game.
>>321289184
Sick bastard.
If I'm at the Duke Archives, how far into the game am I? I am only able to play 3 hrs max each weekday and only get sundays off.. lol
I've been playing this game for 45 hours even though steam says 65 so I feel like I'm close but so far.
>>321289364
Not him, but Blighttown is the closest thing there is in DaS to an area that is as atmospheric as the zones in DeS were.
A shame that the area ran at a silky smooth 10 fps.
>>321289469
Depends on what other areas you've been to
The game isn't 100% linear
Anyway you're about 50-70% through the game
>mfw Gwyn at SL1 without a shield
Pendant master race.
>>321289469
After Anor Londo you can do 4 different routes in any order, so it's hard to say exactly how far you're in. But probably somewhere at 65% or farther.
>>321289596
What gear have you got?
>>321288149
hornsten and smug
>>321289510
There has never been a good poison filled area in a video game. Prove me wrong.
>>321289469
If you have only just defeated Ornstein & Smough, you're probably around 60% into the game.
>you will never go back in time and get into Dark Souls as soon as it released
>>321289596
>without a shield
So, with a parrying dagger then.
>>321289745
I played through the unpatched version and it's way worse than 1.06 and onward
>>321289756
> Not using the sick off hand falchion parry
>>321289828
I just wish I'd been part of that early community. Also, to have gone in 100% blind. I picked up too much stuff by osmosis from all the threads here.
>>321289745
First playthroughs of a Souls game are always the best experience.
Kinda ruined DeS for myself though as I watched nips play it before it came to the west.
>you will never play dark souls for the first time ever again
>>321289745
I still remembered when it launched and everyone was trying to start a fight between Dark Souls and Skyrim for some reason; I think it was because Dark Souls used a picture of a dragon in its promotional material sometimes.
Some proper websites would even have articles like "How does Dark Souls measure up to Skyrim?"
Actually, fuck the end of 2011 to mid-2012. Everything thought everything had to be compared or contrasted with Skyrim.
>>321289745
Why? It wasn't anything special. Aside from the vanila 1.00 version having a number of glaring bugs and problems (which I can't be bothered to list because I'm on my mobile but are all on the Wikis if you're interested), it wasn't some sort of special or magical moment. At the time of release, most of the secrets of the game had already been discovered by people playing the game on livestreams. Like, IIRC, Ash Lake and the Great Hollow were discovered within the first few days of release.
>>321289984
At least DaS3 will come out next year
>>321289904
I too picked up way, way too much stuff before starting.
My first try was the crappy noob run with master key, crimson set, and drake sword. I never got very far with that though.
>>321289828
>>321289745
Remember Lost Izalith and the Psychic-All-Knowing Dragon Butts at launch? Good times.
>>321289984
If my entire life was playing through Dark Souls and then forgetting about it and playing it again, I'd be ok with it
>>321289991
Still don't know what was the deal with Skyrim. Even my normie friends who usally didn't play any other video games aside from Fifa were totally psyched about it.
>>321290026
Yeah but not everyone went looking for said livestreams and such so early on.
>>321290221
Yeah, my friends were also the same, especially with Shadow of Mordor. It's really weird.
>>321290372
I had one friend who assured me that after the release of Brink, no other game purchase would ever be necessary because we would play it until the end of time.
He was a bit weird though.
>>321290480
I bet he still plays Brink.
>>321290480
I also have this one friend who always falls for the marketing and acts like the next big AAA game "X" will be the second coming of christ.
The last game he shilled was Fallout 4, wonder what will be next.
>>321289596
Daily reminder that only pussy faggots parry Gwyn. Dodge roll master race.
>>321290608
>That guy who really honestly thought that the Kinect would revolutionize gaming.
I remember him rushing to tell me to watch the Milo video. Top kek.
>>321288348
600 THOUSAND SOULS IN DEBT
>>321288348
IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO PAY THE DEBTS!
>>321289832
>Not bare-hand parry like a big dick master.
Souls threads really suck now. I miss when we didn't know anything and argued about what the pendant could possibly be used for instead of this shit.
>>321283186
>literally full of bullshit
>>321283186
okay? I bet it took forever, so what's the point?
>>321288601
too bad you can't see the explosions through the lag and multitudes of effects so you die anyway.
>>321291860
>he doesn't know how to use the pendant
>>321292401
Nope, took 40+ hours to beat all the bosses (or 50+, I forgot) but it is manageable.
>>321292621
The point was that you don't fucking need 25 adaptability to make the game "playable."
>>321282463
Just started running into these guys for the first time. Didn't even realize they were there til I got hit with the toxic status. Blighttown is pretty nervewracking just because of all the high drops. I love the layout though, as you slowly progress downward to the swamp. Opened the shortcut to the Londo ruins. Biggest relief was finding the bonfire at the bottom.
>>321292683
I have no issue seeing them even in a full party with 4 characters worth of fuck you happening
My life per hit and damage reduction just let me tank it all anyways so I never have to move
