https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnSORl9_oI
Why does he ruin everything he touches
>all of dem cancelled games because these companies couldnt keep up with his "ideas"
>Two games
>TFU which was just name suggestions
>the Darth Maul game where he suggested Maul partner with some irrelevant EU fapbait
>ruined everything
Come on, the prequels weren't that great but this epic hate Lucas meme for ruining your parents childhood has got to stop, it's not even funny at this point now that VII is hardly better than the prequels.
>>321265626
>hurr durr im sooo stupid!!
Why even bother posting this?
>>321265313
You're an idiot Op.
>>321265626
Literally: Darth Insanious and Darth Icky.
Your argument is invalid.
>>321265684
Who are you quoting?
>and we were waiting for lucas to say just kidding but he just moved on
>>321265758
They didn't even use the names, so how did George ruin it?
>>321265313
Ironically, TFA would have had a far better plot with Luke in it had he been /given/ the chance to touch it.
Lucas just can't catch a break.
>>321265771
Jesus I know you're new but the post number is right there.
>>321265904
They really should've left Lucas as a producer, he could just spew unending ideas and they could've harvested the GOAT from the shit and go with that, but nah, let's just remake IV
>>321265626
>Your parents childhood
Kill yourself you little shit that doesn't know anything about the world.
>>321265758
The guy was either really lucky or the Star Wars movie crew was just using hi s money to lift off their careers. There's no other explanation.
>>321265313
Games get cancelled all the time
Stop being a fucking drama queen
>>321265758
That was a joke which Redditors didn't get
>>321266134
Lucas had a solid track record until the prequels, CGI just consumed him and all it took was three movies and the most rabid fanbase on the world and everything went 180
>>321265758
literally just lucas fucking with them, he does the same thing to kasdan in the transcript of talks during return of the jedi
>Lucas: Anakin Skywalker starting hanging out with the Emperor, who at this point nobody knew was that bad, because he was an elected official.
>Kasdan: Was he a Jedi?
>Lucas: No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name.
>>321266282
But he ruined Indiana Jones too and that Red Tails movie sucked shit.
lucasarts produced a lot of good titles. I ain't shedding a tear for a couple that didn't make it.
>>321266282
People keep thinking that lucas is star wars but they forget that he was part of a team for the original trilogies, a team of people who kept his head out of the clouds. The prequels were bad because he had complete creative control, the only good thing to come out of them was the clone wars.
>>321266282
>solid track record until the prequels
american graffiti and thx 1138 are legit GOATs though
>>321265313
All that was really lost was BFIII, now we have DLC simulator
>>321266497
He admits he wemt gone too far in a few places. You will NEVER hear Jar Jar Ambrans say "I wish I did something unique with VII"
>>321266398
>and we were waiting for lucas to say just kidding but he just moved on
>>321266729
>needing jokes explained to you
I'm glad TFU was shit, devs are retarded
>>321266695
>You will NEVER hear Jar Jar Ambrans say "I wish I did something unique with VII"
True, but in his defense he kinda had to play it safe.
>>321265626
>Fucking insane name suggestions for TFU
>Not understanding his own canon
>Killed 1313 by forcing the switch to Boba
>>321266802
>Icky and insanious, thats the joke. geddit?
shit sense of humor you have there.
>>321265313
During the original movies he had some humility and realized how much others helped realize them. The older he gets the more crazy egotistical and controlling he gets.
Lucas is a legit asshole, when you look at stuff he has done. Destroying film copies out of spite and more.
>Thinking Lucas was joking
You have to be 18+ to post here
>>321267039
1313 was going to be shit, we all saw the gameplay footage, don't pretend it was going to be anything other than a star-wars themed uncharted.
>>321267248
>Implying that's a bad thing
Having a half decent Star Wars game to play is better than no Star Wars game at all
>>321266282
Because he realized that Star Wars was aimed at a younger audience so he wanted to see in a new generations of fans. But all the dipshits who grew up with it didn't want to share and wanted an edgy mature Star Wars for their generations. Hence why this new film feels like it has no fun, and Kucas himself said it was the type of films that fans have been clamoring for but didn't clarify if he liked it or not.
>>321267394
There are plenty of half decent star wars games you faggot.
>>321266661
>All that was really lost was BFIII
I will never not be mad, the game was fucking done, money in the bank. Why the fuck don't you just put it out?
>>321267039
>his own canon
A lot of those EU arcs are literally fanfiction tier. Including Legacy, where Darth Talon came from. The ones that mattered to Lucas were the ones he primarily oversaw, like both Clone Wars cartoons. 1313 would've been dead in the water if it was about some random smuggler. Boba carries a ton of weight with his name, it was the right move to make since otherwise it was an uncharted clone in space but ultimately it didn't matter since Disney cancelled it.
Besides, Why would Red Fly even have her figure with Maul on the table in the first place?
>>321267476
Lucas Arts was making a point. "Don't fuck with me" type of thing. They are rich enough to take the hit of not releasing the game.
>>321267394
A half decent star wars game would be a blemish on the face of star wars games. I mean it's unnatural the amount of good games that have come from the star wars canon.
>>321267492
>A lot of those EU arcs are literally fanfiction tier.
And a lot of them were a shit load better than anything Lucas as made since Return of the Jedi.
Actually fuck that, some are better than anything he has ever made because the original movies had people that would tell him to fuck off now and then so things didn't turn out stupid.
>>321267464
>his thoughts on the new movie
I love it because after seeing the movie I now truly understand what he meant. In the end, George got the last laugh.
>>321267464
>torture
>mass murder
>planetary genocide
>ewoks
>aimed at a younger audience
I mean sure, younger audiences can easily watch the films without being traumatized, but there's a fine line between that and "aimed at a younger audience"
>>321267718
>George got the last laugh.
He who laughs to himself like a madman always gets the last laugh.
>>321267715
You're so wrong it's not funny. I think The Clone Wars, Tales from... and Thrawn saga are the only ones that are better than the prequels, the rest are just as bad or worse.
I do give Salvatore guts for killing Chewie though. Poor guy still gets death threats even though it's not canon anymore.
>>321267604
But can they do that to free radical studios? I mean isn't there some contractual obligation to ship the game or pay them out?
>>321267858
A lot of Disney films had those and they were kids movies. Tone is more important than content.
>>321267612
>TFU exists
>Shadows of the Empire exists
>EA Battlefront exists
Yeah, no. There are some truly awful Star Wars games in existence. Half decent, silly Uncharted copy would be afunlittle experience.
>>321267464
>George realized Star Wars was aimed at a younger audience so he made a bunch of bad, boring, bland movies that don't really appeal to anyone and slapped the name Star Wars on them.
I don't get it.
DARTH
ICKY
>>321268094
go on, list me the old school disney movies where they enlist the help of a drug smuggler to take them to a city that's entire population has been murdered. Then they are captured and have to rescue the princess of that city who has been tortured for information for the past few days.
Also last time I checked there wasn't any disney kids movies with a stripper getting devoured by a rancor.
>>321268052
Of course they can. They weren't being paid as they supposedly weren't doing their job. Not true but LA knew exactly what they were doing and were most likely using the contracts to their advantage.
Even if they weren't, all that would have lead to was a court battle. Lucas Arts would have won or kept it going till FR had no money to pay for legal fees. You just need a lot of money and LA had that.
>>321268365
Bruh, kids loved the prequels.
>>321268365
I liked the prequel toys and vidya growing up.
>power battles
>starfighter
>bounty hunter
>attack of the clones vidya
>battlefront
>revenge of the sith vidya
Of course there was also rogue squadron series which I loved but a lot of focus was on prequels
>>321268365
You're only proving his point
>>321268175
3 games out of how many?
Exactly. And you're keen to put another entry on that list because?
>>321268481
I fucking love capitalism!
>>321265313
>Battlefront 3 was 99% done.
i will never..
ever...
not be mad.
>>321268458
>Clayton hangs himself
>Scar is devoured alive by Hyenas
>Frollo and the Vizier are into rape
>>321267954
I said some where better. You just listed some of the ones that were better. So how am I wrong when you just listed why I'm right....Also Rogue Squadron and I, Jedi. Young Jedi Knight were okay too. And that is just books.
Battlefront was sparse but those games had decent stories as did Republic Commando. There were some decent comics as well. Oh and Shadows of the Empire both game and book.
Lucas is an asshole. He has destroyed original film copies because he was mad people didn't like the special editions awkward CGI inserts.
He is entirely the reason the prequels weren't as good. He went total dictator on them because nobody was around like Ford to just change some lines and tell him to eat a dick over it. Seriously Hayden, fucking Hayden, said he was making Anakin too much of a pussy and got told to shut the fuck up by Lucas. Yet what is the first thing people bitch about on the prequels that isn't JarJar.
The old movies weren't perfect. Much of the EU isn't either. And fuck knows Abrams had no hope to figure out all the EU to work a movie around it and have it come out decent.
But you are paint drinkingly retarded if you defend fucking Lucas. A man who has gone out of his way drunk with power to alienated his actors, old friends, and even the reasonable nonsperging fans.
>>321268581
>bruh, kids love geopolitical summits in space
>>321268649
1313 wouldn't have joined that list. My point is that a half decent game wouldn't be a blemish, there's a lot of genuinely terrible Star Wars games. A half decent game would be a good addition at this point.
Kyle Katarn never existed
>>321268823
Oh, I didn't know you personally knew George Lucas. How's he doing these days?
>>321268592
But you didn't like the films? Yeah, I believe you. Excuse me while I go out and buy merchandise of that thing I don't like.
>>321268581
That generation of kids were a lot more into Harry Potter and maybe LotR. They were more grand and impressive to young minds.
>>321268823
And he was a good friend
>>321265313
The original star wars trilogy was only successful because of the people around Lucas
Lucas is the film world equivalent of an ideas guy
>>321269068
For fantasy, but Star Wars was the only sci-if for kids back then. I know I didn't get into Starwars until I watched the Phantom Menace.
>>321269024
Did you need to personally know Hitler or Stalin to think they are dick?
Destroying archives to make a point against fans to tell them which to like better.
I try to stay out of celeb business, they get harassed into snapping so some journalist can snap a well time pic and make a dime. This man didn't need any motivation other than ego. Christ go watch the interviews from the early 80s compared to more recently.
>>321269056
Nah of course I liked them, not as much as the OT.
I still like them, I acknowledge all their flaws but I have no issue watching the prequels or pretending they never exist.
>>321268581
I was one of the kids that grew up when the prequels were coming out, and I thought they were pretty boring and awkward, and looking back on it now, they still aren't good movies. I didn't even grow up around people who liked Star Wars all that much.
The only good part of the prequels were the video games and stuff to come out of them, because you could get some enjoyment with rolling around as a Droideka or jumping around and shooting missiles as Jango Fett in Battlefront 2
>>321269256
Matrix was sci-fi at the time. Star War is a hybrid and more of a fantasy. Star Trek is more the scifi one. Episode 1 was first one I saw in theaters too.
>>321269232
Bruh, he touted so much about "muh real set" and "no CG" but they were wasted on unmemorable scenaries and bland aliens. The only thing I remember was the winter forest. And there was no new notable alien race.
>>321268810
>Clayton hangs himself
Wrong, he gets hung accidentally and its off screen, when compared to luke having his hand cut off, it's pretty tame.
>Scar is devoured alive by Hyenas
Also not shown on screen, obviously.
>Frollo and the Vizier are into rape
Only if you read a bit into the subtext, something most kids aren't really capable of.
You missed out the part where people are tortured, entire planets are blown up on screen, or obvious drug smugglers are enlisted in the heroes quest or someone is graphically devoured on screen by a rancor (who are pretty nightmare inducing in their own right)
>>321269410
What was the new notable alien race in Empire?
What were the new notable alien races in Phantom, Clones and Revenge?
>>321269410
>no new alien race
I don't even think there was a classic alien race aside from Chewbacca. Every alien in Maz's cantina was so unoriginal and forgettable.
It's a shame Gungans are associated with Jar Jar and will never be seen again bevUse they're one of my favorites. Chinese underwater rabbits
>>321269471
If we want to go that route
>Leia was tortured off screen
>We never see anybody from Alderaan suffer, no images of people dying or screaming out in terror, just a rock being blown up and people commenting on it
>Han doesn't smuggle shit ever
And Fantasia has some pretty gnarly imageries itself. Face it, Star Wars was always aimed at a younger audience
>>321269572
>Empire
Wampa, tauntauns, Ugghnauts, Yoda if you want to count him.
>>321265313
Do you think Lucas ever gets sad when someone doesn't acknowledge his ideas?
Like, do you think he actually went home and cried when they gave no feedback to icky and insaneous? Or when he got protests about the switch to Bobba Fett? Or even when they didn't push his Darth Maul friendship?
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really curious about how sensitive he is about his ideas, or his franchise in general.
>>321269893
Probably wiped away those tears with some Benjamins
>>321265313
The story of Battlefront 3 genuinely upset me.
>>321268947
anyone who thinks that an uncharted clone would be a half decent game really lacks the perspective or knowledge to say what is good or not.
>>321269609
>implying the aliens in mos eisley cantina aren't just as forgettable
>implying they aren't only remembered because of pop culture latching onto that scene
>>321270249
I think the Mos Eisley scene was just them throwing any extra costume they had on any extras on set that day.
>>321269679
>implying people would have time to scream and suffer when their planet is destroyed in less then 2 seconds.
>>321270456
Exactly, you can't seriously suggest that the cantina in VII is any worse than that
>>321269679
>We never see anybody from Alderaan suffer, no images of people dying or screaming out in terror, just a rock being blown up and people commenting on it
It's a whole planet being blown up, the implications are pretty stark even for a child. and people comment on it plenty seeing as they are meant to be traveling to a planet and they get there and it's an asteroid field.
>Han doesn't smuggle shit ever
No shit, saving the galaxy is a full time job, however being a smuggler means that in the past you probably smuggled illegal things(I hate the fact that I had to explain that to you).
Also still waiting on how you could justify putting a stripper getting graphically devoured by a horrible monster in a "kids movie", thats pretty fucked up bro.
>>321270249
>forgetting the Bith jizz waivers and their songs juxtaposing the tense atmosphere
>forgetting the Duros pals
>forgetting the Ithunian
>forgetting the He Doesn't Like Yous and I Don't Like You Eithers
>forgetting Greedo
Nah m8
>>321270671
not him but implications my asshole
you see disney films with some dark shit and a planet destroyed means jack shit if you dont see the effects
>>321270671
sorry about that
>people comment on it plenty
Obviously I misread your post.
>>321268823
>A man who has gone out of his way drunk with power to alienated his actors, old friends, and even the reasonable nonsperging fans.
iirc he is slowly going more and more senile.
Sad thing actually.
>>321270650
Isn't his point more about
>pig troopers
>Jabba
>Yoda
>Yeti
>The thing in the water on Dagobah
>The mounts on Hoth
>Ewoks even though they suck
>General Ackbar
and so on, all these are distinct and notable, I think every movie introduced at least one
>>321270671
If it's the implication, then Simba's father is a pimp with numerous wives and Simba and Nala are cousins. Also, when you discredit my examples because they're never shown on-screen but give yours weight even though they're never shown onscreen either? Get out of here with that bias, man.
>>321270879
The most memorable one was that alien dude with the huge black eyes and fat lips and wearing a pilot cap from WW2. You know which one.
>>321270249
They didn't even interact with the not-cantina outside of the 1000 year old not-yoda, in ANH they were accosted by 2 ruffians, one had his hand chopped off, as well as being yelled at by the bar man, which set the tone for the scene.
And that's ignoring that both Greedo and Chewbacca were introduced in the cantina while establishing another main character.
I actually liked the movie, but its more avengers than star wars.
>>321270975
Nien Nub, he's a Sullustan desu
>>321270879
Ackbar was an admiral, and I'd include Nien Nunb, the Sullustan co-pilot on the falcon during RotJ,who also is in TFA
>>321271103
I will never get over him because he reminds me of a friend.
>>321270905
>Also, when you discredit my examples because they're never shown on-screen but give yours weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g77WN6obk4
I'm sorry, was this extended footage or was it actually in the movie? Oh, that's right.
>Get out of here with that bias, man
I don't know what to tell you, if you're detecting bias, maybe you're just insecure because you got proven wrong.
>>321271184
Is your friend Mexican?
>>321271103
>>321271143
>>321271184
>Nien Nub
>Nien got a job delivering beuaty supplies to various parlors throughout the galaxy. This gave him many opportunities to work his charm, and his conquests became the talk of legend. When his employer learned about his many romantic encounters on the job, he became furious and assigned Nien to an office job. The plan backfired when Nien slept with both his wife and daughter. Nien was fired.
AYY LMNTR
>>321269270
Artists destroy their work all the time, it's their prerogative.
>>321265313
Lucas actually has really good sense. you'll see stuff from the making of taken out of context, but lucas had a pretty clear set of goals with the prequels which would have actually taken a genius to pull off. A complicated story, that's for kids but adults can watch it, which leads up to this other story and tells the theme of a democracy giving up it's freedom to a dictator and the fall of a major character to evil.
The fact the prequels came out as well as they did is mind blowing considering how ambitious he was.
Also if Lucas was such an asshole, why would he be willing to give away sound effects and shit to comedy movies that want to use them?
>>321265626
>epic hate Lucas meme
heh.
>>321266282
It's almost as if the only difference between him before the prequels, and after, was that he had total creative freedom in the prequels, and only partial input with several cooperative producers and other directors in the other movies he worked on...
It's like...
The good movies he worked on, weren't his 100% creative control, and the crap ones WERE.
HOW STRANGE!
>>321271289
Arab
>>321271297
Can't snub the Nub
>>321271243
A rock gets blown up. We don't see any of the carnage of it, bruh. This is even less unsettling than seeing Clayton's lifeless shadow.
>>321269679
>Han doesn't smuggle shit ever
Taking that into account, kinda funny we actually do see him smuggling something in the new movie.
>>321271376
If only it was the real canon.
>>321270905
Also I was talking about the implication that people die when their planet explodes, not the implication that alderaan was destroyed because that was implicitly shown on-screen.
>>321271340
Even just crediting him for ANH Lucas was still good news until TPM
>>321265313
thats what happen if fanbase become to big and treated him like a god. its same thing with minecraft, but at least Notch has dignity to step down early unlike dictator lucas
>>321265626
>VII is hardly better than the prequels
Damm that's a side-splitter.
>>321270671
Children's movies were much darker in the 80's. Political Correctness has come a long way anon.
>>321271340
But that just isn't true.
The movies where he got overly ambitious have a lot of problems. That's an accurate statement.
Lucas is a very typical artist and we need more, not less of those in the modern day.
Fuck the fans.
>>321271383
see
>>321271446
Also still, after 3 posts, waiting on how to justify putting the gruesome devouring of a space stripper by a nightmarish monster in a film "aimed at a younger audience" I'm genuinely curious as to how that works.
>>321271340
It's because the prequels were on such a grand scale there was no way he could ever hope to tell his story without copious amount of CG. And even then, the core story of it is brilliant. The execution isn't great, but there are were memorable moments.
>tfw just started republic Commando for the first time.
>>321269609
I did like how all the aliens in Maz's cantina were extras in rubber suits.
>>321271621
implications? fuck your implications
show me the shit it caused
this can be said for any kids show
>>321271581
Not really, I was around in the 80's I recall star wars being far more mature than what I was exposed to at the time, probably why I'm still arguing the case.
>he pushed them together and said "they're friends!"
>>321271621
And I countered with how kids movies have disturbing imageries quite often, citing Fantasia as an example.
>>321271731
>the planet got blown up
>pfft I didn't see anyone die, they must be fine
Seriously, show me a kids show where they blow up an inhabited planet. I'm still fucking waiting for an answer on that.
>>321271785
What was the Darth Talon tou doing on the table if they aren't going to be friends desu? I feel like everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room just to shot on George
>>321265313
Lucas is god I think you should kill yourself you fucking faggot LOL
>>321271785
These kind of statements don't really translate to people outside of film/tv.
That's how people often talk in that industry when outlining a story.
>>321271584
I think you're missing the broader scope of the statement.
Lucas' early works were good because he had help and he had people to, well, being brutally honest here:
Filter out his bad ideas. And he has a lot of them. There's no denying his creativity. Sure. But that doesn't mean all his ideas are good. If he is left to his own devices all that's going to happen is a team of yes men who refuse to tell him what's bad or what doesn't work because, "oh he's George Lucas he can't be wrong."
Jaws, indiana jones, E.T., All these other films that were great had people to tell him NO.
Don't say, "fuck the fans" and be an unrepentant fan of him that he can do no wrong. Because he very clearly can and does when left on his own.
>>321269232
It's pretty fucking clear that George was probably aware of how much of a risk he was taking with the original films and people weren't afraid to say no to him, so there was levelheadedness during the development
With the prequels, George wanted his vision no matter what and people were afraid to say no to him, so the films went to shit
so was episode VII really that bad? I though it was great but maybe because the prequels were so shit. Empire Strikes back is still the best one
>>321271861
justice league you little bitch
>>321271978
>With the prequels, George wanted his vision no matter what and people were afraid to say no to him, so the films went to shit
Precisely.
>>321271976
You're making pure conjecture based off pretty much nothing really.
I mean lucas has taken the piss out of this idea. If it was true I doubt he'd make fun of himself in that way so readily.
>>321272029
its literally a new hope
>>321272029
Episode 7 was an alright movie that makes a few small references and has some incredibly similar story points with A New Hope
>>321267858
>torture
>mass murder
>planetary genocide
These weren't graphic at all. You think that's gonna impact kids? The way it was handled was clearly meant for younger audiences. Maybe not younger than 12, but most certainly kids.
>>321272150
>a few small references
>slightly similar
I enjoyed E7 and will defend it but come on. It literally WAS a retelling of E3 and every other scene was a call back. HEY LOOK REMEMBER THIS REMMWBER THIS HAHA ITS STAR WARS THE ONES YOU REMEMBER
>>321266123
butthurt parent is mad
>>321272094
>You're making pure conjecture based off pretty much nothing really.
Other than the results? Other than what has happened?
Look at his decisions.
Look at the edits he made to ET and the original trilogy. Look at the prequels. When you look at what happens when it's just his decisions, it's self evident why he shouldn't be doing shit on his own.
Nothing he's done with just 100% his input flew.
>>321272150
>some
It's the same movie with a new jacket.
>>321271316
Not film they don't.
I could destroy all the toilet paper in my own house I bought it, but it still fucks over everyone else that lives here. Still a dick move.
The guy acts like he has dementia.
>>321270845
Really starting to wonder. Random mood swings, arrogance, childishness and spiteful acting. It honestly fits pretty well, but I think it more likely that years living in his own world just made him a dick.
>>321272301
I didn't say slightly. Please read again
And by references I mean the shit like the orb from a New Hope and chess
>>321272029
No, it's a legit good movie and far better than any of the prequels. /v/ is just full of contrarian faggots.
>>321271785
I can almost understand this if he said it as a joke just to convey the point that he liked the two character designes and thought they would work as friends
>hating on based Lucas
Yeah enjoy your The Capeshit Awakens faggots.
>>321272413
>far better than any of the prequels.
That's...not an accomplishment.
>>321272094
No, its based on a lot of testimony and documentation.
Now if he were to say
>I mean lucas has taken the piss out of this idea. If it was true I doubt he'd make fun of himself in that way so readily.
That would be conjecture based off pretty much nothing
>>321271861
>>321272195
You know what IS graphic?
Guns.
Can't have that in a kids movie.
Thank god they're radios now.
>>321272363
Please tell me more about how your consumerist interests are so important.
>>321272305
That's still literally nothing to base the idea that no one told him they didn't agree with him, at best you can say it shows he chose not to listen.
>>321272413
Hello Reddit! I too enjoyed my ANH copypasta with SJW propaganda needlessly thrown in.
>>321272413
Yeah, it's good because it totally ripped off Episode 4 and changed the name of the characters and locations.
Can't believe these talentless hacks thought it was a good idea to build a THIRD Death Star.
>>321272413
I liked the prequels and I agree.
The tone was pretty good
Kylo being a spoiled brat was good
Space god was bad
Mary Rey Sue was bad
Copying A New Hope scene by scene was a bit... weird. Don't know why they went for that.
>>321272474
Revenge of the Sith wasn't that bad outside of the awful dialog and Christensen's acting. The Phantom Menace also had a lot of good stuff mixed in with the garbage. Attack of the Clones was pure shit though.
>>321272561
How mad do you have to be to write this?
Plinkett was a mistake.
Now everyone is a Star Wars armchair expert paraphrasing one another.
>>321272559
>at best you can say it shows he chose not to listen.
That is a possibility, yes.
I stand corrected;
It's possible nobody was afraid to say no.
Or it's possible he didn't listen.
Whatever the case;
His bad ideas went unchecked.
And we got medichlorians. And spinning, that's a good trick.
And the jedi, they're evil. From my point of view.
And the high ground.
And do not want.
>>321272525
Reminds me of how you can't say "guns" or "bullets" in the SW universe. They're "slugslingers" throwing "slugs" as a projectile weapon.
>>321272561
>SJW propaganda
what is the propaganda? that Flynn is black? or that Rey mary sue?
>>321272579
I can't believe the talentless hacks thought it was a good idea to build a SECOND Death Star.
>>321272629
I'm just happy someone else besides me enjoyed Star Avengers: The Reddit Awakens.
>>321271803
Yea, a disturbing image is nothing without context. Which is the opposite of what you were arguing before.
>>321272598
>Revenge of the Sith wasn't that bad outside of the awful dialog and Christensen's acting.
And the romance plot that made no sense.
And the stupid fucking Jedi prophecy shit.
And Sheevwhateverhisnameis.
>The Phantom Menace also had a lot of good stuff mixed in with the garbage.
No, it didn't. You MIGHT say the podracing was a good part, but it's the only time anything felt like it was actually moving, since the whole fucking movie is so plodding and slow and NOTHING MAKES ANY SENSE.
They are all completely retarded.
>>321272713
But those are great.
>>321272719
And that's why Episode 6 is the worst of the OT.
And here comes JJ to spice things up, but he was so afraid of pissing off OT nostalgiafags that he remade A New Hope instead of a new movie.
>>321272654
>I'm mad the prequels got ripped a new butthole so bad it will never make a sound when it farts ever again.
>>321272718
Villains are white. Good guys are niggers and hispanics. Movie shills for racemixing. Female character is absolutely flawless. Nigger thrown in despite looking incredibly out of place. Looks like he came in from Guardians of Galaxy.
>>321272719
...no one said it was good or clever the second time.
That just makes it worse the third time.
>>321272579
the scene where the rebels were talking about starkiller was so fucking cringe
>now this is the death star
>hologram pops up
>and this is starkiller base
>new hologram thats 1000 times bigger than the death star
oh no its bigger and badder, fucking jj even the sun crusher was better than this.
>>321272654
Go home plinkett, I think they're doing re-runs of night court.
>>321272763
How did you have trouble following the plot of TPM. My six year old nephew made perfect sense of it.
Holy fuck I can't believe you people are arguing Star Wars. Literally the COD equivalent of movies. Haha fucking /v/ never change
>>321272713
See, if it was delivered better, or had just a bit of exposition prior regarding him thinking the jedi kept fucking up, i actually think the jedi=evil/point of view would have been fine.
No one outright thinks they are evil, everyone has justifications, and one being that those darn jedi keep being bad makes sense.
>>321272781
In a "The Room" kind of way, yes.
>>321272654
Worse, now everyone is an armchair psychologist and movie making expert when they fail to notice plinkett doing exactly what he claims lucas is doing with his. "but your brain did" shit.
>here let me do this long analysis
>but first let me make sure to put in a bunch of psychological tricks.
I just hope that for the next two films they actually bother doing stuff of their own instead of everything feeling like it's half a homage to the older movies and half rushed stuff.
Kind of funny how John "Gorilla Face" Boyega was the best actor among the main, new characters if you ask me.
The other good one was Oscar Isaac.
Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher seemed just tired and wanting for the filming to end.
>>321272826
aren't all stormtroppers niggers though?
>>321272763
>And Sheevwhateverhisnameis.
>hating on Sidious
I upvoted your comment. Let's go watch Jew-Jew latest masterpiece again :)
>>321272654
At least plinkett will BTFO VII and everyone will suddenly pretend they never liked it
Right?
>>321272579
Whining about a new Death Star in Star Wars is like whining about a new mech in a Metal Gear game. The Death Star was the most powerful weapon ever built, so of course they're going to keep refining the idea.
George Lucas is the worst thing that happened to Star Wars.
>Revenge was good
>Return was bad
Why do people think this?
>>321272853
They are evil if you consider that they have the power to go in and forcibly stop a conflict and people from getting killed, but they insist on pussyfooting and trying to mediate when they already know who is in the wrong.
>>321272975
And of course they will always add a weakness and it will be destroyed in the movie it's introduced in.
So is it now cool to defend the prequels because Episode 7 is the new thing?
>>321272808
>I'm mad the prequels got ripped
Just listen to yourself.
Who would type this?
>BF3 is 99% complete
J U S T
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>>321272719
>>321272801
But it was literally a trap. It's not the best idea, but certainly better than having two Death Stars
>>321272975
But it pales in comparison to the power of the force.
>>321272975
>refining
That's not refining. That's blatant copypaste. Fucking talentless hacks at Disney with no balls. Lucas was better.
>>321272830
Hey the second death star was gonna be fucking great, it was bigger than the first one by a massive amount, had no "shoot proton torpedoes here" hole, and most importantly the rebels didn't steal the plans to learn its every weakness. The only problem was it wasn't finished yet, and the fact they couldn't blow up the ewoks because their shield generator was there.
>>321272842
>How did you have trouble following the plot of TPM.
What the fuck is a Trade Federation?
Why do they need to blockade a planet and force a queen to sign a treaty making their "invasion" legal? If they want to invade, and they invaded anyway to capture the queen, what the fuck is the point of the treaty?
What was the point of a discussion about "taxing trade routes"?
Why did Qui-gon just accept Anakin as a tag-along follower without question? I mean, he's just a random slave at a random junk dealer. There's gotta be hundreds just like him all over the planet.
Why did the Trade Federation land on the other side of the planet from "the Naboo"? I mean, the Jedi had to go through "the planet core" to get to the Naboo city, right?
What was the point of Darth Maul? What did he actually do?
Come on man, do I really need to do this?
>>321267464
So you're saying the prequels were for kids? Is that why the story revolves around some political drama, how the first ones about trade blockades, the second one has anakin killing tons of sand people, and the third children?
They're shit films anon, shit and boring, which no consistent tone or theme.
People don't want star wars to be edgy or adult they just want it to be fucking good.
>>321272826
I forgot Han and Leia and Luke were niggers/hispanic.
>>321272995
Hey, you watched the Plinkett reviews too ? :)
>>321273108
I'm a deleted scene the Emperor was gonna order the destruction of Endor or something.
>>321272971
They liked the new Star Trek movies.
They'll definitely say "Eh it was ok" again.
On top of that all the prequel reviews really were to shit on Lucas. With Lucas gone shitting on VII the same way will just not make sense.
>>321267858
>Ewoks
Literally put in to pander to children. Originally endor was going to have the wookies.
>>321273123
>Why did Qui-gon just accept Anakin as a tag-along follower without question? I mean, he's just a random slave at a random junk dealer. There's gotta be hundreds just like him all over the planet.
Medichlorians anon.
He has more than yoda!
You know.
That bacteria we made up that measures your force. That thing that used to be mystical, and magical? And like a religion?
Nope. 100% science now.
>>321273179
No. They are the products of nostalgia pandering because God forbid this movie takes any risks that isn't racemixing propaganda.
>>321272947
That would explain their aim.
>>321265313
He didn't, though.
Disney did.
>>321272901
A good chunk of Episode VIII is likely going to be flashbacks covering Rey's childhood and Luke teaching the students and Ren slaughtering them.
>>321273258
>Nope. 100% science now.
That's why the genre is called "Science-Fiction" ; )
Because he fucks niggers.
>>321273258
>Medichlorians anon.
I mean before that. When they go to Anakin's home, because somehow this slave is just free to do whatever he wants, including pal around with Jedi, instead of working.
What about him led Qui-Gon to just say "Yeah, I don't mind this kid following me. He seems like a plot macguffin".
Lucas was bad but he never turned Star Wars into capeshit SJW propaganda atleast. SW is now yet another soulless and cold Disney IP. Hope you fags are happy.
>>321273356
And, "internally inconsistent."
>>321273123
>What the fuck is a Trade Federation?
Bad guys
>Why do they need to blockade a planet and force a queen to sign a treaty making their "invasion" legal? If they want to invade, and they invaded anyway to capture the queen, what the fuck is the point of the treaty?
I can give you two answers. 1. (more narrative) Because the republic could kick their shit in for fucking with one of their worlds so they needed to have them agree to being bitches. 2. In a large system with multiple semi-autonomous entities overruled by a larger one it would be unlawful trade federation territory without it. I believe it mirrors the Holy Roman Empire to an extent.
>What was the point of a discussion about "taxing trade routes"?
It's just fluff.
>Why did Qui-gon just accept Anakin as a tag-along follower without question? I mean, he's just a random slave at a random junk dealer. There's gotta be hundreds just like him all over the planet.
Because he had a feeling about it.
>Why did the Trade Federation land on the other side of the planet from "the Naboo"? I mean, the Jedi had to go through "the planet core" to get to the Naboo city, right?
They landed all over the planet, we literally saw landing ships go to the capital city.
>What was the point of Darth Maul? What did he actually do?
Be a mysterious bad ass to foreshadow even more bad assess turning up because "the sith have returned"
Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > The Force Awakens > Revenge of the Sith > Return of the Jedi > The Phantom Menace > Christmas Special > Attack of the Clones
>>321273196
>I'm a deleted scene
Oh wow, how much of an inside scoop did you get on the original trilogies? Do you know what happened to the original 35mm print?
>>321273179
They're all jews.
>>321273427
I can't tell if you're actually defending the movie, or you're just a Poe pretending to defending it because you know the result is going to be hilarious and make people who actually would defend The Phantom Menace (are there such people?) look like retards.
Either way, holy shit you look like a fucking retard.
>>321273053
Good guys have to win somehow. Although there wasn't an obvious weak point this time. The good guys had to blow their way in to br able to damage it, unlike the DS.
>>321273096
Starkiller base was more powerful, could attack multiple targets, had longer range, and didn't require and entire artificial planetoid to house it. It was literally just a base with a big ass gun installed on a regular planet. Which means they could install more anywhere near a sun.
>>321273370
I'm just gonna assume that force users mystically are drawn to each otherlike Stand Users
>>321273123
The term Trade Federation makes it fucking obvious what it is, it's self descriptive.
It was a group self governed planets, who answered to a central government with an emphasis on trade and finance as political power. That central body also was a member of the Republic and represented their federation of planets.
Blockades are not an inherently violent thing, when you want to avoid war but need to make a statement and force an issue, a blockade can do that. The treaty would have caused the self governing Naboo to join the Trade Federation, allowing them military and economic rights to the planet. It could have been undone in the long run, but short term it works for them and they can get the Republic senate to do nothing for a long time easily.
The TF claimed Naboo was overtaxing, hence the blockade. That's all it was.
Because the force.
The TF was occupying all major settlements, i don't even understand your question.
He was an assassin, he was only partially successful. The plan revolved on not getting the senate to react in time, and the Jedi could force the issue.
Apparently you do.
>>321273370
medichlorians are full of force or something, I'm sure he could feel them or some fuck.
god damn I hate talking about the prequels.
>>321266187
It wasn't a joke you mongoloid
>>321273058
Zelda cycle, so yes.
>>321273549
I'm just kinda sick of this pomo ironic, always self-referential shit where everyone thinks they're so smart because the media is always force feeding them the idea that being ironic and never earnestly liking something makes you smart and above the chaff.
No one cares if the eagles could have flown them to mordor, it would have made for a shit story, that's all the explanation you need.
>>321273507
I have footage...of Lucas...burning 35mmlings
>>321273123
Okay, here we go
>the trade federation was a group of businesses that controlled a large portions of trade routes. They were large enough to have their own representative in the senate, despite not being an actual planet
>the routes they use were being taxed by the republic
>as retaliation, they blockaded the planet of Naboo, as per the instructions of Darth Sidious, and had hoped to invade the planet in order to force the queen to sign a treaty allowing their ships to dock their permanently, thus making their blockade legal
>Force sensitive people are aware of each other, and Qui-gon felt drawn to Anakin
>at that point, the city had not been taken over yet, meaning any transport attempting to land ground troops would've been subjected to heavy fire from the city defenses
>Darth Maul was there due to the rule of two. His purpose is to do the bidding of Darth Sidious when he cannot afford to be discovered.
>Jedi Knight Sequel that was scrapped
>>321272997
people are retarded. the real list is 5>4>6>3>7=1>2
This new movie was all over the place and it was okay at most.Everything goes down the moment they introduce return of the death star.
>>321273830
Objectively this
>>321273570
Starkiller was literally Death Star but bigger. And it went down easier than Death Star. Fuck this piece of shit movie. It raped SW even more than the prequels. A janitor that is suddenly efficient with a lightsaber. A fucking nobody defeating a sith disciple in combat. But hey, atleast the movie is finally racially inclusive for Reddit.
>>321273123
>What the fuck is a Trade Federation?
A federation of traders, obviously run by corrupt schmuks
>Why do they need to blockade a planet and force a queen to sign a treaty making their "invasion" legal? If they want to invade, and they invaded anyway to capture the queen, what the fuck is the point of the treaty?
They galaxy is run by a senate. You can hardly just invade some planet on a whim and not expect repercussions. They had to make it look like "not an invasion" by getting the queen to sign a treaty, probably stating they're there on official buisiness. I honestly don't get how you could not have followed this. Were you that young at the time?
>What was the point of a discussion about "taxing trade routes"?
No idea to be honest. Can't remember that part, wasn't probably important.
>Why did Qui-gon just accept Anakin as a tag-along follower without question? I mean, he's just a random slave at a random junk dealer. There's gotta be hundreds just like him all over the planet.
Because he clearly felt the force was extremely strong with him. Seriously, have you even watched the movie? Did you even pay attention? Fuck's sake man.
Why did the Trade Federation land on the other side of the planet from "the Naboo"? I mean, the Jedi had to go through "the planet core" to get to the Naboo city, right?
It's one of the many ships. There were plenty more that landed closer to the city. By the time they arrived, the city was already captured.
>What was the point of Darth Maul? What did he actually do?
A sith apprentice, trained by Palpatine. He was there to announce the return of the sith and to try and capture the queen. Maybe Palpatine even sensed Anakin and wanted him.
The movies are not the best, but you have clearly just not been paying attention when you watched them. All your questions are pretty retarded.
>>321273830
Nah, 5>4>6=7>3>1>2
>>321273605
>Blockades are not an inherently violent thing, when you want to avoid war but need to make a statement and force an issue, a blockade can do that. The treaty would have caused the self governing Naboo to join the Trade Federation, allowing them military and economic rights to the planet. It could have been undone in the long run, but short term it works for them and they can get the Republic senate to do nothing for a long time easily.
But they didn't just blockade the planet. They literally surrounded it and then immediately fucking invaded.
And they not only invaded, but they killed a shitload of people.
So what exactly were they trying to accomplish? Get Naboo to stop "overtaxing"? (Taxing who? Who the fuck do they place taxes on? The Trade Federation? People selling things to the Trade Federation? None of it makes sense).
And why the fuck do they need a blockade to be "legal"? IT'S A FUCKING BLOCKADE. It's a military action. You don't make the person who loses a was sign a paper saying it was legal for you to attack them.
Also, how did no one in the Senate know or care what was going on? The Trade Federation, who had people on the Senate, just attack another planet and no one cares because they're "tied up in delegations"? Isn't that some pretty serious shit? Like, it's a corporation fucking killing a shitload of people for no real reason other than "Waaah they made us pay taxes!"?
What the fuck?
>>321273605
>Because the force.
The biggest issue with this is they had to make a reason to know he was going to be good with the force even though they had no reason to know or believe that.
So they had to make up a reason.
Boom.
Medichlorians. Now they can quantify, measure, and examine the force. Except it's been previously established by movies made years earlier that the force is a religion. It's mystical. It's like space magic.
And, not to tip any fedoras here, but, the two are mutually exclusive. If you can quantify and prove the force is a thing, is real, and can measure it and quantify it, it isn't magic. It isn't a religion. It's a principle of science. This goes back on what's been previously established and gets stated later on. They use very flowery poetic words to describe the force.
However Obi-Wan is present when Qui-Gon talks about it in a very scientific, matter of fact fashion. This alone creates a very jarring disconnect between the two movie series. Is the force a law of the universe, or is it a belief system of space sorcery?
This is conveniently forgotten for a plot point of why they should drag this snot nosed little brat along. Because honestly, in a war, why WOULD you unless you had a damn good reason. And "I had a hunch" isn't going to really convince a lot of people.
>>321272997
Seriously fucking this. One of my friends does this, and when I ask him why, he can never give an answer. I seriously think it's just contrarian faggots being contrarian.
>>321273897
>A janitor that is suddenly efficient with a lightsaber. A fucking nobody defeating a sith disciple in combat.
Wait what? Finn couldn't use a lightsaber for shit and got his ass kicked by a nameless, faceless stormtrooper, got his ass kicked by a bowcaster-wounded Kylo Ren so hard he's in a coma.
>>321273915
>You can hardly just invade some planet on a whim and not expect repercussions.
Didn't they do literally that, though? They invaded Naboo, with no repercussions. No one ever signed any treaty.
>>321273747
Was that statement wrong? You are free to expand on it. This movie is soulless, carefully constructed like some shitty AAA game for maximum market penetration. There is no character or risk. Only safe nostalgia and humor.
>>321273897
>A janitor that is suddenly efficient with a lightsaber.
But he was shit with it.
>A fucking nobody defeating a sith disciple in combat.
Missed the point entirely.
>>321273575
>watching JewJew's Miraculous Medicine
>>321273897
>went down easier than the Death Star
That's complete bullshit. They had to blow open a big ass hole to get inside and be able to destroy it. And it took several explosives and an X-wing blasting the everloving shit out of it to do the job. The Death Star already had a hole conveniently pre-installed and it took one fucking shot for it to blow. Why do you faggots insist on being wrong about everything?
>>321273992
>immediately invaded
You have no idea how long they've been there.
>>321272525
We should replace all guns with walkie talkies.
>>321274046
Finn stood up just fine against Ren for a period of time. That's fucking bullshit considering how storm troopers are just fodder for force users. It was nothing but fanservice to the nig nog community. Look! We Jedi now!
>>321273996
>If you can quantify and prove the force is a thing
You can quantify the force when you start lifting things with it. Midichlorians actually only quantify a CONNECTION with it. They provide the connection, not the actual force. I don't get why people can't fucking pay attention enough.
>his alone creates a very jarring disconnect between the two movie series
That was kinda the point. "look how much they used to understand about this shit before the Empire fucked it all up"
>>321274186
>for a period of time.
For like 2 seconds, probably because Ren was just shot in the dick with a bowcaster
>>321274071
>Missed the point entirely.
Missee the point of the biggeat Mary Sue ever made? Ren should've used kryptonite against her.
I'm just mad that Poe somehow survived and didn't have to explain how
>>321274186
I don't get it, being able to not die for like, 30 seconds is enough to send you into a fit of anger?
Like, you expected him to just be skewered in a second?
>>321274138
>Two smugglers and an x-wing squadron
or
>x-wing and y-wing squadron with a force sensitive pilot
I would say DS was harder desu senpai
>>321274241
just turn off your brain bro :^)
You guys are kidding with all the racist shit right? I mean you don't actually believe that the movie is somehow pandering to SJW's and their ilk just by having a girl and a black guy?
It's like I'm on /b/ or something. nigger this and nigger that, I can't tell if you're just pretending to be retarded
>>321274234
>>You can quantify the force when you start lifting things with it.
But that's wrong. Because like Yoda says, it doesn't matter how big or small a thing is, since the force is everywhere and flows through everything, you just need to commune with it to move something no matter the size.
That's different than "Yeah, you have 50 midichlorians, so you can emit 100 units of Force power".
>>321273897
Rey beat Ren because he's a fucking scrub who lets his emotions control him and he's already injured when the fight begins. Rey is losing until she calms herself (something Ren is unable to do) and allows the force to guide her. Also she's a fucking Skywalker.
>>321273928
This man gets it.
>>321274285
>you expected him to just be skewered in a second?
Yes. A coward janitor should have NO chance against a Sith disciple. It's awful consistency.
>>321273996
Why do people get this misconception that midichlorians are the force? And they're spelled with "midi". They're microscopic beings that lives within all living things and communicates with the force. The higher the count, the more in-tuned a person is with the force. The force itself is a mystical entity separate from midichlorians.
>>321274241
The same way that Finn survived? Using a parachute perhaps?
>>321274379
>Rey beat Ren because he's a fucking scrub
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS REY?!
>>321274050
And at the end of the movie, they ere punished.
>>321274367
Not really if you started to measure shit, and midichlorians aren't even necessarily the end all and be all. They state all this, but nerds focus on it because they gotta be smart, ironic and distant.
>>321274380
He's still a trained soldier, who's probably force sensitive and hey, he is one of the protagonists. Can't you take a little plot armor? It's only in every fucking piece of media in history
>>321274380
>should have NO chance against a Sith disciple.
He's not a Sith disciple, though. He's literally just an angry child with a sword. He has no special training, other than being slightly familiar with his weapon.
Remember? It wasn't until the end of the fucking movie that the Super Evil Guy said it was time they meet?
>>321265313
>battlefront 3 was 99% done
fuck everything
>>321273992
You are so fucking clueless man. Go immerse yourself a bit in world politics before you try to pain your brain over these things.
>>321274050
Didn't they do literally that, though? They invaded Naboo, with no repercussions. No one ever signed any treaty.
Okay so you're not only clueless, but haven't actually seen the movies. Jesus man.
>>321274138
How is it that nobody even attacked them until they were literally firing at the weak point though? Like this is a super secret base. The millennium falcon had to come out of hyperspace directly onto the surface to prevent anyone from noticing, and yet the bad guys let an entire squadron fly in without destroying it? Didn't they have any AA artillery?
>>321274487
No, he said it's time that Kylo completes his training, implying that he had trained with the evil dude before
>>321273996
The Jedi were eventually nearly wiped out. Maybe the force became a mystical, religious thing because the science of it died with the jedi order? That would leave just outsiders, who didn't know about the midichlorian shit, go propagate the myth that it was something mystical because they didn't understand it.
>>321274380
youre not understanding the pottery anon. the fight at the end of TFA was literally ESBs and ROTJs fight in one. kylo is cocky and lets finn get a hit in and then wrecks finn (ESB vader) and then beats rey but loses because rey taps into the dark side (ROTJ vader). theyre seriously worse than lucas when it comes to pottery
>>321274548
>and yet the bad guys let an entire squadron fly in without destroying it? Didn't they have any AA artillery?
Remember, the squadron of Xwings couldn't get to the planet until Han and Finn got them to shut off the defense shields around the planet?
And when they got there, there were a lot of tie fighters and AA guns?
>>321274380
>Sith Disciple
This meme needs to end. Watch the fucking movie or shut up.
Kylo Ren is NOT a sith disciple. He hasn't even finished his training and hasn't met his master irl before.
On top of that, he was heavily wounded and emotionally impacted by killing his father.
>>321274435
Luke's daughter.
Only reason she was so powerful when she awakened was that she had some sort of force memories.
>>321274435
Jesus risen once again to save us from our sins.
>>321274576
>The Jedi were eventually nearly wiped out. Maybe the force became a mystical, religious thing because the science of it died with the jedi order?
Yoda and obi-wan.
Yoda because, well, he was literally there and they literally talk about yoda's midichlorian count.
And obi-wan literally met with the counsel, was trained by the counsel and by qui-gon, who literally is the one who talked about this. This shit didn't die out. It didn't get forgotten.
The people saying it's mystical are the same people who were taught it wasn't.
>>321274051
Killing off one of the most popular characters was a definite risk. Having Luke only appear for five seconds at the very end was a risk. Having the child of two legacy characters be the antagonist was a risk.
>>321274630
There's a lot of distance between atmosphere and surface. You're telling me the bad guys knew their shields were down and saw the squadron come in and didn't do shit about it until they were on the surface?
Lucas definitely fucked some shit up. There is no debating that. But look at some of the amazing games to come from the Star Wars license
>Rogue Squadron Series
>Episode 1 Pod Racer
Shadows of the Empire
>X-Wing/Tie Fighter series
>KOTOR 1 and 2
>Original Battle Front Series
And there are probably a couple of things that I'm missing. If you're going to fault him and Lucas Arts for fucking everything up, you got to give them credit for the shit they licenses that was great.
Watch. Disney will NEVER release a good Star Wars game, because they want to farm out Re-Skins to EA and pump out Disney Infinity shit.
>>321274663
>im a child when luke trains me
>learn some basic force shit
>tap into the force an beat a dark jedi in 1v1 lightsaber combat
canonically rey is 19 and kylo is 29, rey pulled that shit out of her ass because muh stronk woman
>>321274656
I think they see the mask and assume that means he's a Sith or something.
Like, they missed the point, that he wore the mast to be intimidating because he wasn't actually that intimidating at all normally, and because he's kind of just a bitch with anger issues.
They established pretty well that he was more like that angsty teenager who bought a katana on Ebay and swings it around a lot so he's comfortable holding it, but he's not a trained fighter or anything. He's just, you know, more comfortable using it than the guy who's never even seen one in his life.
>>321274303
DS took one shot. Starkiller base took several explosives and a ton of shots. This is fact.
>>321274734
They hardly scratched the weak point though. It had to be blown up from the inside and THEN some X-Fighter went in.
How the fuck did Luke blow up the Death Star in IV? Didn't they have any AA?
>>321274386
>Why do people get this misconception that midichlorians are the force?
Because they are used to measure someone's connection to it, in a very scientific fashion. That is mutually exclusive to it being religious or mystical.
As it's a principal of science that's well understood.
Bro, just don't think about :)
>>321274771
Ren isn't a "dark jedi" you dumb fuck.
>>321274771
How about the fact that Kylo just got shot (multiple times?) and just killed his dad which had an obvious emotional effect on him?
Or the fact that Rey has training in close quarters melee weapon based combat?
Or maybe that Kylo was whooping her ass until Rey manages to calm down and control herself unlike Kylo who is an emotional wreck and prone to throwing tantrums?
>>321274379
>Also she's a fucking Skywalker.
So is Ren, dumbass. Actually, we don't even know if Rey is or is not descended from skywalker, but we do know that Ren IS. so how the fuck does this prove anything?
>>321274813
>One miracle shot, one in a million
or
>Blow up some structure
DS was harder, SK didn't even take a Jedi pilot. SK was on par with Deathstar 2. Same exact thing.
>>321274303
You're forgetting the land party that did 90% of the work.
They didn't have somebody on the inside on the DS.
Without the people on land, it wouldn't have worked. They said they were almost done for and they barely scratched it.
>>321272901
Ford has been trying to kill off Han since The Empire Strikes Back. He is so relieved
>>321274435
Luke Skywalker's daughter, and also like one of the students. JUST LIKE YOUR FUCCBOI FUCCBOI REN.
>>321274873
I feel like the bowcaster should have blown Kylo to bits, since the first time Han fires it, it decimates two storm troopers in a huge explosion.
To the prequels credit as shit as they were, at the very least added new lore to the Star Wars universe, and let good things come out of them
Episode 7 is just a shallow rehash for a new generation carefully crafted to sell more merchandise
Lucas however works better on a leash
>>321274824
But it's not scientific in the fact that a person's midichlorians count doesn't directly equate to a specific number of "force" they can use. Anakin had a higher midichlorian count but he was still weaker than Palpatine or Yoda. All midichlorians do is communicate with the force. The more of it you have, the more in tuned you are. That's all it means. There is no equation relating the two.
>>321274487
Kylo Ren is a Knight of Ren. He was personally trained by Snoke, Snoke being essentially being one of the original Sith. Regardless, that other anon is crying about nothing. It's pretty likely Finn is force sensitive and likely to become a Jedi.
>>321274745
Just wait until Amy Hennig shits out a Star Wars Unchsrted clone that gets praised
>>321274873
>Or the fact that Rey has training in close quarters melee weapon based combat?
this
Why does everybody just forget this? Its well established early in the film that she knows how to fight and she probably has more fighting experience than Kylo considering that she lived around thieves her entire life.
>>321274921
And you're not giving Luke / Obi-Wan enough credit. Their whole squadron got wiped out, and if not for Han and Luke / Obi-Wan guidance, they would have lost.
It was literally a MIRACLE that Luke was able to not only survive the trench, but was able to make the shot, and guilt Han Solo to return just in the nick of time.
He was also being chased by Vader who was one of the most accomplished pilots in Star Wars history.
What you saw in SK? Was literally Return of the Jedi. Ground team blows some shit up. Someone flies inside and blows it up. Doesn't even take a Jedi. A janitor and two old ass smugglers did it, and only one of them died because of personal reasons.
Your logic is flawed.
>>321274873
>Kylo who is an emotional wreck and prone to throwing tantrums?
sith (and jedi to an extent) are at their peak power when they are emotionally distraught. If anything that would make kylo stronger.
>>321274708
They were both senile old fucks though.
>>321274991
They also hit a stormtrooper point blank, and he doesn't explode. He just flies backward.
Ren is a bit stronger than that, but I agree he should've maybe flown a bit backwards or some shit.
>>321274873
>Rey
>training in close quarters combat
You notice she kept poking at him the whole time? What a shit fighter. The only person who uses the poke is Obi-Wan and he only uses it as a a sort of initial jab.
>>321275082
>Kylo Ren is a Knight of Ren.
From the way he acts and fights, I assume that was a bunch of kids who were given lightsabers and black clothing and told to go around acting tough, rather than an actual order of trained knights.
>>321275151
She's used to fighting with a bow staff looking thing where poking would be a smart thing to do to keep your distance
>>321274873
>unlike Kylo who is an emotional wreck and prone to throwing tantrums?
You realize this is exactly what powers up a Sith, in contrast to a Jedi remaining calm and collected? We need more sith who throw rage fits, I'm tired of the calm and collected lawful-evil suave devil archetype. It's great, but it's overplayed.
>>321275093
lightsabers do not equal bowstaffs. if she knows how to fight with a bowstaff thats great, but thats a duel edged weapon that shouldnt translate into a practically weightless one handed weapon. shes a mary sue since everything about the movie focuses on her fixing things
>>321275134
Yeah, when they kill the coolest stormtrooper he flies a good meter or two away.
Ren just kneels there and bleeds a little.
>>321274918
>miracle shot
He just had to shoot into the gaping fucking hole on the side. Hardly a miracle.
Lucas must have the ultimate poker face. Look at that fucking face. No one can tell when he's serious.
>Darth Icky
>uh lucas we're retarded can you please explain if that's a joke
>so anyway my next idea is...
>>321275093
Because fighting and fighting with a lightsaber are two different things. We have no personal ability to judge because lightsabers don't exist, but it is stated multiple times in canon that the lightsaber is an incredibly difficult weapon to wield and generally requires force sensitivity or otherwise super human dexterity, especially if you didn't create it yourself,
>>321275298
>Gaping fucking hole
I think you need to think about this more.
>>321275072
>But it's not scientific in the fact that a person's midichlorians count doesn't directly equate to a specific number of "force" they can use.
No.
It measures how in tune with someone is with the force.
Which is scientific.
You can scientifically measure how in tuned someone is with the force.
This would be akin to measuring someone's relationship with Jesus based on a blood test. If you could do that the entire scientific and religious community would be turned upside down.
Instead we're to believe this was the case all along. Instead of in the original movies when it's referred to, at best of times, "mystical" and harshly by the empire as, "a cult" and "antiquated religion."
The former by jedi masters themselves who were _taught_ about midichlorians. This is not something you can just say doesn't contradict itself when the tone is VASTLY shifted to the point of being inconsistent.
>>321275338
They're probably scared shirtless of the guy and he knows it. When coporates come to visit, I can never read them either.
>>321274881
Ren's also an emotional wreck who lets his anger make him act foolishly, and oh yeah he was fucking shot prior to the fight. Rey on the other was more level headed and wasn't injured.
>>321275298
It also has to travel along a tube which is roughly the same diameter as the missile, meaning a fraction of a degree off target would mean it blowing against the wall prematurely and not setting off the chain reaction.
>>321265626
I actually wanted Talon more than Maul.
>>321274487
How did everyone miss the story about Kylo Ren betraying Luke's Jedi academy and forming the Knights of Ren? Wasn't that apparent with Rey's Force flashback, Luke's self imposed exile, and Ren's more advanced saber and forced techniques? He was quite obviously an apprentice of Luke's. Leia even fucking says she sent him off to train under Luke.
Still loses to some chick with no training whatsoever. I hope he comes back and dunks on everyone.
>>321275407
Maybe Obi-Wan just isn't a little science bitch, you ever think of that?
>>321275338
you don't try to be pals with the guy who can fire you on the spot, you just gotta suck up and try not to shit your pants
>>321275298
>gaping fucking hole
Deathstar one or two?
Because unless my guess is wrong, Deathstar one's hole was tiny.
>>321275440
>implying we know for sure it was Ren who betrayed Luke
>Not Rey
IMPLICATIONS ANON
>>321275338
When you're as rich as Lucas and that untouchable, you become transcend humanity.
Anyone ever read the story about how he wanted to build some homes in a high-end neighborhood for poor people? The rich neighbors blocked the shit out of him, so he donated the property to some charity group, which the neighbors couldn't do jack shit about. They then build low-income housing right there. Hilarious.
>>321275121
It would also make him more prone to making mistakes. He didn't fight smart, so he lost.
>>321265313
>tries to deflect criticism like "dumbing down the movies by saying "it's for kids"
>still adds trade embargos and trade conflicts.
????
>>321275501
>"Womp rats aren't much bigger than two meters."''
It's smaller than a womp rat, going at combat speed in an x-wing, without ever having eyes on it before in your life.
In other words, a miracle.
>>321275506
>reyvan
>>321275481
That would be the in-universe equivalent of him saying that he had a blood test and told his rh factor was positive, and saying he didn't believe in the rh factor.
>>321275506
Yes the four year old killed everyone
>>321275421
sure, but the emotional wreck aspect is common to dark siders. Thats the whole point of the dark vs light thing. Dark siders USE their anger and light siders suppress their anger and rely on focus.
And yeah, he was wounded, also a fair fight.
The thing is though, he is winning against Rey until she just shuts her eyes and "uses the force." Then she just fucking wails on him. Like they tried to make it look like her superior force ability won her the fight, but then directly contradicted that with how the fight actually went.
its like the writers didnt think people would question any of this.
>>321275597
Yes that would be what I was saying.
>>321275649
We don't know anon.
It would be a good twist tbqh family
>>321275506
>see a flashback of Ren and the knights of Ren standing over a field of dead bodies.
>see Ren stab some jedi in the back, literally.
>leia says Ren was sent to train under Luke
>Ren is dark side now, Luke is in exile
GEE I WONDER WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED.
>>321275407
No, that is not scientific because we have no idea what the force actually is. It's like saying a person with a higher metabolism can create energy faster and has a higher potential for athleticism. But we cannot measure athleticism. Athleticism is everywhere, even animals display it, but the actual display of it comes downs to unmeasurables, like heart and determination, as well as measurables, like body lifting capacity and lung endurance.
>>321275592
He very clearly wanted to appeal to as many people as possible because during production he kept wanting to make more and sell more than Titanic. He wanted as big an audience as possible.
>>321275542
Also, there's a good chance he wanted to sway Rey to the Dark Side the moment he knew she could use the Force. So killing her outright might've never been his goal in the first place.
>>321275663
fair point*
>>321267492
>fanfiction tier. Including Legacy,
Fuck you tbqh.
>>321275750
That's what I'm saying. It's so FUCKING obvious that it HAS to be something else. Just like Rey being Han and Leia's daughter is implied so fucking hard, but I just hope it's not true.
It just has to be different. They can't already give all the future "plottwists" in the first movie.
Ever hear what happened to the guy who said "no" to Lucas?
Neither has anyone else. RIP ;_;
>>321275857
wtf. it's obvious so that means that it ISN'T the case?
what the fuck kind of deathsticks are you smoking?
>>321275810
>a good chance
He tells her she needs a master to teach her. He was definitely trying to entice her to join him.
>>321275810
Then why did he kill all of those other young jedi instead of locking them up and swaying them to the darkside.
The fuck is she going to do?
She's shown to particular talent and is no one important.
I reiterate. Ren is an ass ugly fag and Rey is a mary sue and the only one that doesn't suck as much as them is the guy who's basically the token black guy who's partially there for comedy.
>>321275751
The capability of athleticism is very much measurable.
You yourself said this:
>All midichlorians do is communicate with the force. The more of it you have, the more in tuned you are.
Right.
So therefore:
Measuring midichlorians means you can measure how in tuned with the force someone is.
Measuring and quantification of something is scientific. If it were mystical or magical, it would be unquantifiable, unobservable, and immeasurable. These are properties of something that is either magic or mystic. A belief. Or a religion. Any of those.
In this case, it's scientifically possible, in that universe, to know how in tuned with the force someone is, in your words.
>>321275972
Do you really think it's strange to make shit seem like A, but it's actually B?
Do you even plot twist?
>>321275857
Disney Infinity blew the fact that Rey and Ren are cousins. So she's Luke's kid.
>>321275857
>Just like Rey being Han and Leia's daughter is implied so fucking hard
Did you mean Ren? Which is explicitly stated. Because Rey is pretty clearly Luke's daughter. You're being contradictory for no reason.
>They can't already give all the future "plottwists" in the first movie.
It's called foreshadowing. If you watch the movie againit's pretty damn obvious Han Solo is going to die. There's like, three death flags.
You didn't do well in creative writing classes, did you?
>tfw didnt like the new star wars movie
>everyone around me either thought it was good or loved it
Am I in the wrong? There were a few good moments but I was more annoyed at the movie most of the time. Felt like a damned marvel movie.
>>321265313
I don't get what george has to do with monhun?
>>321272971
Mike loved TFA
I enjoy the Clone Wars show, I'm glad it's still canon.
>>321276102
no, you're just not a casual fanboy of star wars
>>321276093
>people scramble to spoil hans death
>turns out to be incredibly obvious and not even inportant in the end.
>>321276117
But that's not the link in the op...
>>321276093
The movie clearly implies her being Han's daughter, not Luke's. That's what I'm saying.
>The dad she never had
>Being just as good in mechanics as he is
>Those moments
Don't tell me you're actually saying; lol no it was implied she's luke's daughter all along :)
>>321276015
My guess is killing the other disciples was his way of proving to Snoke he was committed to the dark side. As for Rey, see >>321275984
He definitely wanted her to convert to the dark side. Probably because she's related to him. He can't have his parents so he tried to get at least one relative on his side.
>>321276032
No Anon, I don't even plottwist because it's fuckin star wars, not game of thrones.
They don't do huge plot twists like that, save for vader, luke and leia's relationship, which is basically the only plottwist of the entire franchise.
>>321275218
>bow staff
Battlefront 3 at 99%?
A new Commandos game??
KOTOR 3?!?!?
FUCKING 2 JEDI KNIGHT GAMESS???!!!?!?!?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>321276018
Yes, and that doesn't contradict with anything Obi-Wan says.
>>321276208
Guess so, my childhood wont be tarnished, but star wars is clearly no longer for us older fans.
>>321275829
>tusken raider Jedi gets captured by force immune bio technology loving warlords and assimilated into their armor before getting the guck out of dodge to learn the secret to immortality from the sith
>also Luke's great grandson is a total bad boy with no respect for authority
No, I don't like it
>>321275984
Which is fucking hilarious because it flys in the face of that "He's supposed to be a retarded darth vader wanabe DERP! That's the poing" thing they are trying to spread on the net.
Hell even the actors were told to play that up after the fact because it was so laughably bad.
>>321275984
I said from the moment he knew. As in, when she's locked up and he's trying to mentally interrogate her.
>>321276015
I'm not debating those last two points and we don't really know how his betrayal of Luke went down. He could've asked them to join, they said no, and he slew them there. Also, it's not a stretch to say he knows they're cousins. Vader's blood runs in her as well, so he probably thought he could convince her or some shit. Calm your hostilities, mang.
>>321275597
in other words obi wan and luke did a father son kamehameha to guide the missile
imagine being lucas
you have so much money that you just give the profits from your recent movies and merchandise to charity because it's just another number on your bank account
no one says no to you
he can hear asses clenching when he speaks
no one will ever act natural around you because you're fucking george lucas
no one seems to get your sense of humor
you're possibly senile and fire people when they don't conform to your vision because you probably have a hard time conveying your ideas through your sociopathic mind
being lucas is suffering
>>321276208
>>321276319
Both of you faggots are under 18. Stop lying. Go back to circle jerking over Lucas's awful prequels and the terrible EU fanfiction like the contrarian retards you are.
>tfw no Republic Commando 2
>>321276419
Pretty much, since he didn't use a targeting computer. He said: "Use the force Luke." and he did.
>>321276426
>be lucas
>try to be cool with your staff
>make self aggrandizing jokes to make others feel like youre just like them
>everyone just nods and smiles
>feel upset because none of these people will ever accept you as anything more than the god who created star wars
>>321273680
>No one cares if the eagles could have flown them to mordor
Not to mention they fucking couldn't. I mean fuck, am I the only one who read the books?
>>321276340
Vader tried to coax Luke to the dark side on multiple occasions though.
>>321276303
>Yes, and that doesn't contradict with anything Obi-Wan says.
Considering everyone in the movies after the prequels calls it either mystical, or a cult, or an antiquated religion:
Yeah.
It does.
The reason people have a problem with midichlorians is that it tried to scientifically explain something that wasn't ever supposed to be scientific in the first place. It was supposed to be the equivalent of space magic, and, in order to fill a convenient plot gap they rushed in so they could measure it very cheaply and it really made it retroactively made it look like something very much like it was not at all magical.
In literal terms:
They found a way to make the force sound boring.
>>321276576
The force is mystical. Midichlorians aren't. What don't you understand?
>>321265313
I never enjoyed Star wars outside some of the games, the movies were highly over-rated IMO.
>>321273685
Holy shit, if ever there was an underrated post.
>>321276239
Which is fucking retarded, because he has a small army of partially trained young jedi he could easily corrupt.
If he wanted to prove he was for the cause then he should have tried to kill luke and got fucked up in the process.
The whole killing younglings thing is just another mark against this lame ass character.
>>321276507
and it works, nothing wrong with the scene. thats why blowing up starkiller was nothing like blowing up the death star. apparently you just need 4 guys to blow some stuff up and a skilled pilot to finish the job. there was no mystique with TFA and thats why it fails in that regard
>>321276319
>star wars is clearly no longer for us older fans.
It never was
It was literally a franchise made to sell toys
Most of the money the series ever made was from toys.
The films are just a reason to sell more at this point.
>>321276636
Midichlorians are linked to how in tune you are with the force.
You can't divorce the force and midichlorians.
>>321265313
It's a wonder there were any Star Wars games at all.
>>321276426
>everyone deep inside thinks you are a hack
>>321276714
Yes you can because they're not the same thing.
>>321276483
>if you didn't like the new movie it must mean you like the prequels!
>>321276757
star wars is a cultural icon, everyone knows star wars. it makes sense to make games about it
>>321274656
>>321274787
You need to be pretty high up on the hierarchy to build your own lightsaber, kylo was more sith than anything.
>>321276812
>but no good Star Trek games
>>321269410
A lot of the scenes on Jakku were good. That's about it. The cantina scene was really forgettable. And there were no alien scenes in the second half of the movie, which mostly took place on spaceships with no aliens except Chewbacca. Pretty sad, never thought I'd miss any of Lucas' bullshit but at least the prequels had an element of spectacle.
>>321276636
kinda hard to say the force is mystical anymore, what with being able to scientifically measure how in tune someone is with it.
Really takes away from the whole "magic" when you can measure it.
>>321276637
>I don't like thing so it must be overated!
Kill yourself.
>>321276231
Did you miss the flashback or something? The whole deal with Maz? She grew up scrapping for a living on a barren planet filled with ships and droids, so she's obviously tech savvy. Also, Ben or Leia would have fucking known if they had some other daughter just kind of out there, and would have absolutely zero reason to desert her on Jakku.
Also, are you implying being good with mechanics is somehow genetic? Regardless, I'm through with this.
>>321276865
mass effect 1 was a good homage to star trek. however developers these days will rarely make a game thats dependent on good dialogue and lore instead of action
>>321276865
Only good series get good games.
>>321276878
It would be fine if all they did was measure. I don't see why that would be a problem or makes the force lose potence. It's less fine to say "this bacteria are literally the force and you need them to use the force and if you have more of them you are stronger". Which is what Lucas did.
>>321276336
>No, I don't like it
why not? everything you mentioned is pretty fucking great.
Anyone know if that new star wars cartoon is anything like clone wars where it's supposed to be kiddie bullshit but wasn't or if it is actually just kiddie bullshit?
>>321276865
you should play more games, you might not make faux pas' like this in the future.
>>321277170
Rebels is kind of shit.
>>321276802
You can measure how in tune someone is with the force, yes?
This is what you said.
>the old republic instead of a new knights of the old republic
>>321276574
Yeah, cause he's his son and he has actual potential to be powerful.
Ren is some fifth rate force using faggot the desperately tried to play up as a darth vader proxy who decided to give some random force using who he's been fighting and trying to kill since forever the I WILL TEACH YOU IN THE WAYS OF THE FORCE talk.
They can't say he's supposed to be some loser who sucks at force use and that explains why he's sucks as a character then have shit like that drop. It's retarded.
>>321277263
That's like saying the gas meter is the same as gasoline.
>be a shit employed on something
>boss tells me to do something
>can't do it because i'm retarded and not willing to learn
>get fired
>hurr boss is a fucking retard hurrr
>>321275750
But is it a flashback? Her vision contained images of the future as well.
>>321276805
>if you like the new movie it must mean you're a casual fanboy!
>>321277342
Literally:
>>321275072
>All midichlorians do is communicate with the force. The more of it you have, the more in tuned you are.
If this is true, then -
You can measure how in tune someone is with the force.
So why do people hate the new movie? It was pretty good. It refrained from all the retarded shit we hate the prequels for.
Sure, it wasn't the best movie ever and it didn't do anything really impressive, but it was a soft reboot of a franchise with an already delicate quality balance. I think, on the scale of Star Wars quality, it was pretty damn good.
>>321277454
>implying you aren't
>>321277534
Zelda cycle
>>321277624
>implying you're not a prequel-loving faggot
Every movie in the original trilogy was better than TFA.
I think TFA is on par with Phantom Menace or even Revenge of the Sith, but just because of nostalgia-Solo. Even though he wasn't Han Solo, he was doing a Marvel Quippy version of it.
>>321277534
>So why do people hate the new movie?
Yeah, it wasnt the TESB but it wasnt the prequels either
>>321277718
>Marvel Quippy
Christ I know exactly what you mean. Marvel movies are now just a 2 hour stream of one liners.
>>321277501
Yes, but you can't measure the force power directly. Hence the gas meter and gasoline analogy.
>>321277534
nostalgia and wanting to seem cool
It doesn't matter, it could've been better than the originals, and someone would still try and shit on it.
>>321277718
So you haven't seen the originals? Because he was plenty quippy in those when he wasn't a wall decoration.
>>321277534
because
>rebooted a new hope
>mary sue protag
>black guy is stereotypical black teenager in america
>no tension
>reys actress sucks at acting
>pacing was really fast and we never got a breather
>poe "dies" and is back with no explanation
>somehow rey can beat ren in 1v1 just because lol force
>sjw propaganda forced so hard that the empire is literally nazi germany instead of reminding you about nazi germany, also all the good guys are multicultural while he bad guys are all white men
>rathtar scene felt like a guardians of the galaxy scene
>old cast felt hackneyed in
>luke wasnt even in the movie
>phasma was in it for about 3 minutes
>finns character didnt make sense, how does an indoctrinated child soldier become disenfranchised with his indoctrination
>finn literally goes "droid please" like a black dude would say "nigga please"
>starkiller blows up because of plot and nothing else
>>321277718
>Every movie in the original trilogy was better than TFA.
Agreed
>I think TFA is on par with Phantom Menace or even Revenge of the Sith
Hey let's not say crazy things we can't take back
>>321277903
Hi, /tv/.
Would you have liked the movie more if Rey had shown her feet?
>>321277884
He was more suave, cool, more of an anti-hero.
A gunslinger with attitude. He doesn't believe in magic, and is kind of hard nosed. The biggest quip he gives is the Tauntaun (I thought they smelled bad on the outside.) If anything, he's more of a smooth talker, with the exception being when he shoots the console in the death star.
Compare:
"Charging into that battlestation isn't my idea of a courage. It's more like suicide."
to
"So, it's bigger."
>>321267039
>>Killed 1313 by forcing the switch to Boba
That actually sounds like a good idea.
>>321277790
But you're measuring how in tune with it someone is.
Which is scientific.
>Hence the gas meter and gasoline analogy.
Which is still scientific in either case.
You aren't seeing the gas or observing it directly.
But you're measuring it and quantifying it.
In a very scientific fashion.
In this case:
The gas isn't magic. It's scientific. You don't speak of gas in flowery poems as though it were some mystic force that flows through us and binds us and makes all things in the universe one.
No, gas is a very well understood chemical, we know how it works and what it does and how to harness it and how to tell where it is and how much of it there is. So we don't talk about it like it's something beautiful, or like it's something strange and unique.
It's gas and we tap into it and use it like a tool and nothing more.
>>321271861
DBZ, don't they have a flashback of planet vegeta getting blown up in the first episode? I know it's somewhere early on
>>321276483
>liking prequels is being contrarian
Dohohoho
>>321278231
It is, actually.
Most people pretty much detest them as being crap.
That is the mainstream opinion.
>>321276956
Kek, your delusion is fucking great.
We don't know for what reason they might've left her on Jakku, but you're more eager to believe that Luke (Jedi Jesus) violated the Jedi Code and had a kid than all the fucking obvious shit smacked at you in the movie?
I agree, she's probably Luke's daughter, but the entire movie is hellbent on pointing in the direction of her being Han's daughter.
>entire plot carbon copy of IV
>brother and sister with a feel for the force separated at birth
Don't be 'that guy'. If you can't see how the movie is trying to make you think it's Han's daughter you're closing your eyes on purpose.
>The only decent LA games were ps2/n64 era games + Battlefront and SWG
>Battlefront is somehow a more lean and rushed game than Hardline
>SWG will never be brought back to life officially because no one would be able to handle it
I fucking hated lucas and how he ran shit, but even at his worst, its still leagues better than Disney's "kill everything we don't immediately approve of" mindset
>>321278323
I think you're severely out of touch with "mainstream opinion".
>>321268175
Don't you talk shit about Shadows of the Empire
VI > V > IV > III > VII > I > II.
>>321278426
What about the Jedi Knight games? Or do you consider those ps2/n64 era?
>>321278041
Ok gas is a bad analogy (it wasn't mine but I did get what he was getting at)
Now lets say we have a different type of fuel (the force), this fuel is unpredictable sometimes one unit will take you 10 miles sometimes it will take you 100 miles, now if you were to take a count of said fuel and you had 10 units that would be like taking a medichlorian count.
Sure, it's technically measured in a scientific manner but the data produced is hardly relevant and you could never hope to provide an accurate depiction of how far you would get on the fuel.
>>321278419
shes lukes daughter. the entire sequence of star wars is about the skywalkers. remember in lukes flashback you heard old obi wan say "rey!" shes lukes daughter, when she meets him hes crying by a gravestone because his daughters finally back and his woman is dead
>>321278502
That's a pretty shit opinion
How the fuck can you like VI the best?
My mind cannot grasp that concept. I honestly think VI was worse than III. The movie was such a fucking letdown.
>>321278226
DBZ wasn't originally a kids show. Things slip through.
>>321278502
yup. i put TFA on par with TPM though
>>321278613
ROTJ was good, a little rushed but good. the only things saving ROTS are sheev and the CGI being realistic
>>321278570
I'm not denying I also think it's his daughter, but I'm saying that the movie is heavily implying she's Han's daughter.
That's all I'm saying.
>>321278475
Mainstream liked 1 because they were too young to really follow anything beyond flashy action sequences, mostly Darth Maul and the Podracing.
>>321278537
anything from 93ish to 05 is prime lucas arts
starts with ZAMN and TIE Fighter, and ended with Battlefront 2
Why wouldn't Luke take his daughter with him, if he's where no one can find him?
Discuss.
>yfw that awful as fuck helicopter shot for no reason at the end of TFA
>>321278665
Well I just have to disagree then.
My personal gripes with ROTJ are mainly the ewoks though, but they completely ruined the entire movie for me.
Goddamnit I hate the fucking ewoks with a passion. Even more so than JarJar fucking Binks
>>321278745
I agree then. Were the Jedi Knight games even released for consoles? I have no clue.
>>321278773
Thank fucking god someone else noticed this
>every single moment of VII is steady, controlled camera
>even fight scenes do us the favor of no shakeycam
>last seconds, see Luke Obi-wan'd out
>Suddenly, fucking filming crew demote themselves to tourists on a rental
>>321278745
>ZAMN
Played a lot of star wars but I can't for the life of me get this acronym
>>321278718
Mainstream 'liked' 1, because they're not contrarian hipsters browsing 4chan.
It's general opinion that 4 through 6 were better, but that 1,2,3 were still good enough. Only bitter neckbeards complain 123 are worse than trash.
4chan is not a reflection of real life my friend.
>>321278867
>Were the Jedi Knight games even released for consoles?
yes, at least I know they came out on xbox.
>>321278931
They just lost their minds on the last part. Maybe 10seconds of staring instead of 60 without EITHER of them saying anything with her holding the saber out for that whole length and then with that fucking spin. I mean shit, there wasn't even any major lens flare either.
>>321278953
I'm not being contrarian, that movie was not meant for adults whatsoever.
>>321278553
Measured but unquantified.
It would mean there's an unaccounted for link between efficacy and midichlorian count.
But still scientific. Even if things were unknown. It's like dark matter or dark energy today. We don't fully understand it but we know they exist based on the effects they have on on surrounding bodies and our understanding of other forces at work.
The expansion of the universe for example. It SHOULD be slowing down. But it's not. It's speeding up. At an alarming rate. This leads us to believe an unknown "force" is propelling objects outward. Likewise, how do you observe a black hole, when even light escapes it? You can't see something when light won't bounce off it or come out of it?
It's tricky, but, it took us a while to figure out that we were able to see stars _through_ other objects. And for a while, we thought this was due to an obfuscation of the lens or damaged mirrors. Not so. This was due to light being bent around objects due to the gravitational well of certain objects. (Well, that's my understanding of it anyway. The actual explanation may be a bit more long winded.)
Suffice to say, you can't and won't ever directly observe some phenomenon, due to their nature.
Back to the matter:
While your data extrapolated from the force would be inaccurate and tentative at best, something scientific, through the scientific method, is still being gathered.
And, more to the point:
Being able to measure someone's midichlorians and how in tune they are with the force, or measure how, well, relevant they are to the force kind of ruins its mysticism. A haunted house isn't scary with its lights on. To put it bluntly, not knowing was the fun part. That was the whole point. And knowing about it really does take away some enjoyment for a lot of fans.
Does that help?
>>321278867
A few came out for xbox huge.
>>321278937
Zombies ate my neighbors. probably the most brutal, unforgiving game with 0 handholding lucasarts could have ever produced
>>321278992
Yeah, I liked VII (fite me), but that scene was fucking stupid. I half expected George Lucas to be under that hood.
>>321278761
Because he's trying to protect her.
No, that's retarded...the only people in the galaxy who knew where he was was the droid.
So why fear for her safety.
He could teach her and protect her and take care of what's left of his family.
No, this is stupid.
Either she helped turn rey or she's got a really really close tie to the darkside and he wiped her mind and left her on that world so that he could search out the wisdom of the ancient jedi to help learn to become a better teacher cure his daughter and help take down the menace of the sith that he feels lurking somewhere out there.
Or something. Fuck if I know.
It'll probably end up being something stupid as shit though. I know it.
>>321279034
>World politics
>Few anons ITT even displayed that them being kids when the movies were released meant they couldn't even follow the plot
It was for 12+, just like every SW movie. Flashy lightsaber fights for the kids, and a plot for the adults.
>>321279169
Yeah, too bad the plot was not interesting at all.
Not as bad as 2 and 3's though.
>wanna replay kotor2
>would need to redo peragus, korriban, nar shaadda and telos
I wish my HDD hadn't died a week before the cloud saving
>>321279039
Not even going to follow the entire reply chain, but is someone honestly trying to defend Midichlorians?
That was so fucking retarded, I basically ignored it ever happened.
And I liked the prequels.
>>321279259
Yeah okay, the plot wasn't that great, but let's not pretend it was aimed at kids younger than 12.
>>321279304
It's been a while since I played KOTOR.
Should I get KOTOR2? And what mods should I get?
>>321265758
>Devs want to give them Darth name
>Lucas doesn't want them to and sarcastically offers two options that they definitely won't take
You don't think he was being serious do you?
>>321279332
The long and short was that I found midichlorians really took away the mysticism of the force and gave a scientific explanation to something as a plot point for why they should take child Anakin when he really had no reason to go with them at all.
>>321279095
Anyway you cut it, abandoning your kid in a desert wasteland is a stupid decision. At least Leia and Luke each went to a family.
>>321278803
agreed. ewoks were really bad, i would have loved endor to have been kashyyyk
>>321279446
2 is now packages with the must have mod and also has the benefit of the steam workshop alongside and achievements/cloud support now.
>>321265626
Your post is retarded but I fucking love that edit.
>>321279039
Measured but unquantifiable
actually
>It would mean there's an unaccounted for link between efficacy and midichlorian count.
yea, like fucking space magic?
>>321279394
Is there a fundamental difference between an 8 year old and a 12 year old?
Other than a 12 year old would amount Jar Jar as something as stupid as Barney is? The Lightsaber fights and Podracing is just colorful noise to distract them all the same.
>>321279612
at least they hit on the music during the duel of the fates. TFA has absolutely no memorable music other than snokes theme, which is actually ripped off from palpatines teachings (aka plagueis' theme) in ROTS
>>321267464
>But all the dipshits who grew up with it didn't want to share and wanted an edgy mature Star Wars for their generations
What the fuck? Episode 3 is BY FAR the edgiest Star Wars movie and it's awful.
Episode 2 is also pretty dark, being dark isn't what made Star Wars' OT great, being a fun adventure movie with memorable, likeable characters was.
Getting a "new generation of fans" is a retarded excuse, kids liked Star Wars in 1977, why would he need to pander even more in 1999 with The Phantom Menace?
>>321279492
No, lucas wanted a name for the moniker "starkiller" or whatever that fag was and those were the options.
Jeez get your facts straight.
>>321279612
The original movies were also for 12+ anon. Stop kidding yourself.
>>321279595
Then dark energy and dark matter are magic.
>>321279771
Yet the prequels were.
>>321279498
Agreed. Fuck Midichlorians.
>hurr we can somehow determine how strong a person is with the force with a bloodtest and some plotbreaking organism
fuck that.
>>321268581
Kids loved the lightsaber fights in Episodes 1 and 3, the movies as a whole? Doubt anyone stuck in the DVD to rewatch that political drama again.
>>321279781
Because we live in the star wars universe, right?
Wow, I can't believe you kept the facade of an intelligent debate up for this long.
>>321279394
I was 9 and already a big fan of star wars when EP1 came out in 1999. I didn't like the childish stuff like jar jar or the retarded bots, Star Wars was campy previously, but not outright childish.
>>321279837
All star wars movies are aimed at a young audience, with enough themes to entertain adults.
>>321265313
This shit right here:
https://youtu.be/-dnSORl9_oI?t=3m39s
I swear George Lucas is fucking Autistic.
>>321279874
Just applying the same logic.
We can measure and quantify less about dark energy and dark matter than the star wars universe can about the force.
Yet dark energy and dark matter are scientific concepts.
>>321270249
Nah come on, I liked TFA but the Canteena scene was just tacked on and forgettable compared to the one in the original.
The original had that cheeki breeki fuck pop up at the start, the pig looking fellow at the bar, Greedo, and the bollock heads playing that super memorable music.
>>321279849
I hate midichlorians as much as the next guy but you know that's not actually how it works right?
You're just trying to rile the other guy up right?
>>321279931
Be honest, when was the last time you've watched any of them?
>>321272094
It's common knowledge that ANH was originally going to be MUCH different before other people stepped in and set him straight.
>>321279781
They actually are.
They exist as unquantifiable black boxes of unknowable something that they toss into equationas of the universe to dance around the fact that maybe JUUST maybe einsteinein physics is wrong.
Logically it doesn't make fucking sense in a lot of places and a good chunk of it is just fancy completely bullshit math equations that einstein and his cronies made up to hide the fact that a lot of the stolen theories he duct taped to his stupid basic ideas(that he stole from his ex wife) didn't fit
>>321272094
Lucas suffered with the prequels the same reason Jackson suffered with the hobbit. He had too many yes men and not enough people saying it's shit.
>>321273356
Star Wars was always more "Space Fantasy" than Science Fiction
Is George Lucas the Hideo Kojima of movies?
why they just dont release battlefront files into Torrent or something. if its %99 done? Modders can make rest of game and make servers
or even i will contain enough with bots
>>321280365
He's more of the David Cage of movies.
>>321280432
legal reasons, probably.
>>321280248
Well at least we're going somewhere with this conversation and we can agree on what qualifies as magic and what does not.
Unless you're someone else.
In which case we're about to segue hard.
>>321280052
Then how DOES it work, genius?
>>321280258
Jackson didn't suffer from yesmen, he suffered the opposite
from LotR, he was being bitched at from all corner about muh women, muh colored people and muh gays, but he managed to pull it from the storm and make a great trilogy
Come Hobbit season, the ushering in was the middle eastern woman who wanted to be a hobbit, then it spiraled into making some mary sue elf, and that one scene in Laketown where they keep fucking staring at that giga nigger woman, and Jackson just gave up, among other things, because he couldn't do what he wanted in his film anymore, without licking the gooch of 5 different feeling officers
Add that with the fact that smaug was pretty much already done before Jackson could even doodle his first sketch, and Benedict cumberbitch was shoved into role because Martin can not apparently go 1 day without his friend
>>321280476
legal reasons wut. free radical has disbanded already. nobody would even notice.
>>321280623
Still a Star Wars brand.
>>321280097
I started a month ago and watched all 6 in dates of release over the course of that month. Third time I watched all movies.
>>321280002
I don't think you get this, but midichlorians are not the force. The star wars universe only knows that the force is in everything and you can use it to do crazy shit.
People know a lot about midichlorians, but that's because they are a biological entity and not the force.
>>321280586
Basically this, plus he had to make up shit as he went on due to scheduling constraints and he really didn't care that much about those films in the first place
>>321280786
Not sure if you're the other guy, but, the other guy was explicitly stating how midichlorians are how in tune you are with the force.
You can measure midichlorians in a blood stream.
Therefore, through simple logic, you can measure how in tune someone is with the force.
That's pretty damn scientific. Not saying that's the force or measuring the force. But that's scientific and it really removes the mystical magical nature the other movies state it is/has.
>being surprised that half of 4chan is being contrarian
Happens literally every time a major well received movie or game is released. This being Star Wars amplifies this 10 times.
>>321280982
But it's just saying how one can use the force, not what the force is.
>>321281059
Right, and how adept they are with it.
Again, measuring it.
This attaches a scientific quality to it.
>>321280586
Jackson was behind the most popular fantasy movie on the planet since harry potter and was able to make tolkien retarded ramblings work.
This nigga is bullet proof as far as things go. He can loudly tell everyone to suck his cock on national television and it will only make people want to go see whatever he limped to the barn with.
The dude either has no fucking spine or he's just in it for the dosh and didn't care.
>>321278773
>>321278931
That was so fucking weird. Could have ended on a shot of Luke's face, or him taking the lightsaber, or some kind of silhoette shot of them both, but no.
It seemed like some "in between shot" before the last shot, it was so fucking odd to end it on such a low-impact shot, especially when you compare it to the first two movies that ended on really iconic images.
>>321281134
But it doesn't measure adeptness. Anakin would be more adept than Yoda as a kid, but he isn't.
It's just a macguffin to state "You can use the force because of this. You are the chosen one because you have this much force juice in your blood and were born like Jesus."
It's literally the only time it's even mentioned in this light. They have a way of detecting if you're able to tap into the force in a scientific way. The actual force is something else completely different, and even someone with a low count can tap into the force to become powerful.
Midichlorians does not equal adeptness or skill level, or even belief. It's just a reason beings are able to call on the force, not a what or how, or how strong.
>>321280586
There is plenty of stories of him having to be yelled down from doing something in LOTR where in the hobbit he said jump and everyone else said how high.
The scene that gets me from all the bullshit hobbit scenes was the goddamn elf rocking on the dwarf and glowing a bright light
>>321280870
>>321281173
There was actually a long time frame from where The Hobbit was planned to be made as a 2 part movie, then a four part, 2 being the hobbit, and 2 being the bridge to LotR
They (MGM, NLC, and some other yokles at hollywood) wanted to give Jackson the boot and let some fresh blood have a go at tolkiens work
Jackson bitched and moaned, and somehow made Guillermo Del Toro walk away from the directors chair
Just
To
Half
Ass
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/19/peter-jackson-battle-of-the-five-armies-i-didnt-know-what-the-hell-i-was-doing-when-i-made-the-hobbit
>>321281339
>It's just a macguffin to state "You can use the force because of this. You are the chosen one because you have this much force juice in your blood and were born like Jesus."
This is the problem. This is the complaint. They filled a plot hole.
>It's literally the only time it's even mentioned in this light.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
>They have a way of detecting if you're able to tap into the force in a scientific way.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
Rey this is your grandfathers saber, with it he used it to kill younglings. He was a good friend
>>321281491
How is that a problem? How is it not conceived that summoning lightning from your finger tips, jumping 30ft, meditating, and listening to the force isn't a religion?
Just because they used to have a blood test initiation? It's a religion dude. They live in a temple. They can tell you're force sensitive before they even test you. They do that for some kind of record, to study Jedi, to learn more.
>>321281549
I think the operative word here is "was."
>>321280982
I'm not that guy, I assumed they were just biological entities attracted to force users in a random manner
>Therefore, through simple logic, you can measure how in tune someone is with the force.
Nope, even qui-gon says he doesn't fucking know what a high midichlorian count means. I'm assuming they use it mainly as a true/false thing like
>oh you have midichlorians in your blood turns out your a force sensitive
Rather than
>you have (x) amounts of midichlorians, you are a 4th level padawan
The force is still mystical as ever, if not more so now that there is some kind of entity that is drawn to it throughout the vast regions of space.
>>321274710
fuck off, jj
>>321281630
Did I also mention my mentor left him to burn to death while cut in half on a lava planet? He was a good teacher
>>321281414
Literally everything you said about Jackson is so fucking false.
He originally didn't want to do the Hobbit movies. Del Toro eventually took the reigns but backed out for whatever reason, that's when Jackson caved in and stepped back in. That's why the movies were a mess because he wasn't interested in them.
>>321281614
>They can tell you're force sensitive before they even test you.
Then why didn't they in Phantom Menace?
It's not an initiation in any form since they used it as a reason to move the plot forward because without it Anakin would have stayed on sand land and would have never become Darth Vader and made a better movie.
It's because they needed a reason to bring Anakin along because he was a little brat and they had no reason to because giant gaping plot hole. Why would they want Anakin in the first place? No reason. Oh wait, we need to get him off that planet so he can make a better movie.
Oh wait, midichlorians. THAT'S WHY.
>>321281854
The whole reason Qui-gon tests him, and investigates Anakin's past is because he feels he is force sensitive.
It's not like he was like, "Well, I'll give you a blood test for the shits and giggles of it, little kid."
>>321281745
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Peter_Jackson_banned_from_working_with_New_Line
NLC and MGM were the backers for The Hobbit btw
>>321281854
>Then why didn't they in Phantom Menace?
Maybe they needed a more visual analogue, rather than qui-gon just saying
>I feel this child is strong with the force, lets nab 'em
That being said it was shown in the first ever star wars film that force users could detect one and other through the force.
>>321281936
Then that just lends credence to midichlorians being unnecessary, doesn't it?
It makes them seem mind boggling stupid.
If it's a religion of monks and people who think they might be strong with the force, then they aren't going to be like, "well have you got proof?"
No. Because it's religion. It's mysticism. Anything that's provable or falsifiable or measurable or quantifiable would be SCIENCE.
A blood test is science. Not magic or mysticism. Likewise, little bacteria and organisms. No - that's not what a religion is based on.
>>321282241
But the Force chooses who is sensitive. They worship and ally themselves with the force. The midicholorians are a 'gift' and allows them to tap in and perceive the force. The force is in all living beings, it binds us, and gives a Jedi his power.
Also if you think that a civilization on that technological scale would not examine its members more closely to try and learn more about themseleves, you're fucking stupid.
>Have a cult of super powered warriors with literal super powers
>Not investigate the whys and hows at a genetic level
It would be stupid if they didn't do it. Did you ever wonder what is in the Jedi Libraries and temples? Science, records, and interpretations of the will of the force.
That's what the midiclorians are. The will of the Force. Jedis are not anti science, by the way. They worship the force. That is a religion. They live by it and die by it. That's as religious as it gets, mate. It's Jedi Temple, not Jedi Lab-Complex Center.
>>321282241
>If it's a religion of monks and people who think they might be strong with the force
No, to be a jedi, you have to be a force adept, that's just how it works. Maybe that's why they have a test for it? Also Mysticism probably works differently when people can actually move rocks with their minds. May as well argue the point of religion in settings where god obviously exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUKGTkiWik
Hard core science, bro.
>>321282498
>The force is in all living beings,
It's in everything, unless yoda's wrong in ep 6.
>science
Then it is not magical or mystical, now, is it?
Or religon. I'm not anti theistic or against religion, so I'm not biased.
But religion and science are mutually exclusive.
>jedi science
This is pretty much again, contrary to what happens in episodes 4 5 and 6.
>>321282849
>luminous beings are we
>not this crude matter
Holy shit, did yoda just reference midichlorians?
>>321282849
>even the land and the ship and the rock
Lots of living organisms in those inorganic things there.
>>321282997
You mean when he references how the force is in totally non living things that can't possibly have living organisms in them?
Yup, totally.
>>321282498
>investigate the whys and hows at a genetic level
That is science.
>>321282871
It is in all living beings, but that doesn't mean they can utilize it.
>>321282871
>But religion and science are mutually exclusive.
Tip that fedora harder, sir.
>This is pretty much again, contrary to what happens in episodes 4 5 and 6.
Because all the jedi in 4 5 and 6 are in caves and swamps, the fuck kinda science a nigga gonna do in the swamp?
>>321282871
I'm sorry, there were only two Jedi in existence at the time, they didn't have a whole laboratory to go through and a whole government backing them.
You just refuse to believe that midichlorians are not important, they exist for the sole reason to say: Yes, you can be a Jedi. You can hear the force. You can use the force.
It is not the force itself, it exists to state why a Jedi can use the force. What you see in 4, 5, 6 is literally about The Force. Yoda touches Luke on the shoulder and says something like this: "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
What you are griping about is just a test to see if you are force sensitive. It doesn't dictate how strong you are with the force or anything else. Jedis also practiced science, just so you know and kept history and records, but that does not mean that they don't devote themselves to the Force. That's why they meditate and listen to it, and have a code. They are viewed as religious practices, not scientific. That's how other entities and outsdiers view it too.
>>321283208
>Tip that fedora harder, sir.
If you don't have an argument, say so.
Because that isn't an argument.
>Because all the jedi in 4 5 and 6 are in caves and swamps, the fuck kinda science a nigga gonna do in the swamp?
They're the same jedi that know the same shit from the earlier ones. that shit doesn't work.
>>321283169
That's not what we're debating. Jedi's obviously practiced science, but they are a religious faction, who worship the light side of the Force. It's not like Science is outlawed in modern day religion either. Science is a part of life and in a science fiction setting, it's probably a gigantic part of it.
So I don't see why it's unfeasable that at the height of their power, Jedi would draw blood and see common things in themselves and want to investigate it? They don't even know what it means, other than force users have midiclorians.
>>321283072
Must have missed that part. Care to quote it for me?
>>321283385
What do you want him to do, draw his blood and say, "Luke you have midichlorians in your blood. This is our belief system." It doesn't change anything that they know that force users have midichlorians in their blood. They can feel it before they even test you, it's just a record. Data to pass on.
>>321283385
>religion and science are mutually exclusive
that's wrong so I didn't need to argue it, I just wanted to laugh at you.
>>321283554
All he says is you can feel the force everywhere. Between you, me, the tree, the rock. Even between the land and the ship. Not the rock, and ship specifically. Around it.
Obi-wan describes it in ANH as an energy field around all living things.
>>321283337
>I'm sorry, there were only two Jedi in existence at the time, they didn't have a whole laboratory to go through and a whole government backing them.
This does not mean what they knew then suddenly evaporated. They're the same people. Their thoughts and what they knew didn't change unless you believe them to be terribly stupid and forgetful. And there was nothing in 4 5 and 6 to lead anyone to believe that.
>they exist for the sole reason to say: Yes, you can be a Jedi. You can hear the force. You can use the force.
>they were unimportant
Then there was no reason to put them in, than to make the force seem a lot less mystical and magical isn't there?
>It is not the force itself
Oh really? I didn't know that! Thanks for telling me! That's such new information!
>>321283554
@1:00
"luke you must feel the force around you - me the tree the rock, everywhere. yes even the land, and the ship"
>>321283713
>argument ad lapidem
No.
Look at the definition of faith.
