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OoT is a shallow action adventure RPG and when judged by today's standards doesn't hold up. Agree or disagree?
Disagree
It's a meme game
>today's standards
What standards?
>>321260234
Disagree.
>>321260234
Nice shitposting. Hate it or not, it's part of video game history and influenced vidya greatly.
>>321261309
I don't necessarily hate it, I just think it's not very good. The only response I ever get for pointing out its flaws are "IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME". Just wondering if anyone would actually try to explain the ways in which the game had any sort of depth compared to other action adventure RPG titles
>>321260234
>RPG
Fucking seriously? People are still calling it an RPG?
>>321260234
>Any Zelda other than Link's Adventure
>RPG
Getting real tired of this meme
>>321260234
Disagree
>>321260234
wow a game that came out 17 years ago doesn't measure up to modern standards.
color me surprised!
>>321261674
>>321261749
*failed RPG
happy now?
>>321260234
Agreed. I expect modern games to suck, and this one doesn't.
>>321261560
It's not an action rpg. Perhaps your mental retardation is preventing you from judging the game correct. I know whenever I played Gran Turismo 3 years later I was always so disappointed in how much it lacked in it's fps mechanics. Really underwhelming compared to halo imo
>>321260234
Name a single better game, and remember difficulty doesnt mean better.
Unless you're one of those faggots who only plays multiplayer games, you can't.
Fuck OP. Everyone post your favourite Zelda OST. Mine is the forest temple thing. Can anyone post it?
>>321261884
It's not even remotely an RPG, as there are zero RPG elements.
It's pretty much a straight up action-adventure game, familia
>>321260234
>rpg
Confirmed idiot.
>>321262173
In the same genre? Das, Dragons Dogma, Witcher 3 andTwilight Princess
In any genre? The list is limitless, you're kidding yourself if you think that OoT is the best game ever made
>>321260234
> zelda
> rpg
>>321260234
Yes, and?
>>321262173
>name a single better game that my subjective opinion will agree with
>also difficulty doesn't mean better because I know someone is going to say dark souls even though I never played it xdddd
Anon.
>>321260234
Agree, but thankfully Twilight Princess did everything it did and more.
>>321262304
Forgot Skyrim on your meme list.
>>321260234
>RPG
>today's standards
>>321260234
start naming some better action/adventure/rpgs then faggot.
>>321262238
>character undertaking a quest
>can "level up" your characters
>variety of items and armour that can be switched out
>open world which encourages exploration
It has plenty of RPG elements, they're implemented badly which is why it delivers a shallow experience
>>321262452
>skyrim
>similar in playstyle to those other four games
It's easier to compare it to games that play in the same manner, comparing it to skyrim doesn't make much sense and even if we were skyrim skyrim accomplishes more than OoT with it's world, gameplay and characters.
>>321262769
>OoT is bad because its a bad RPG
Stop posting.
>>321262867
Nope, OoT is bad because the gameplay is shallow and the world is empty. No one ITT has even tried to dispute this. Explain the ways in which the game has depth, you'll find that when judged by games of similar nature it's vastly out paced.
If you didn't play OoT as a child you wouldn't particularly care for it, take off your nostalgia goggles bub
>>321262769
>OoT doesn't meet my specific requirements of RPG
W E L C O M E T O T H E O P I N I O N Z O N E
>>321263168
Mike is this you? Why are you shitposting here?
>>321263168
it's an opinion backed up by facts, no ones been able to counter any argument I've brought up. It's a shitty shallow game
>>321260623
Underrated.
>>321262769
>>character undertaking a quest
Do you...do you even realize how generic that is? Literally almost EVERY kind of game can be boiled down to such.
>>can "level up" your characters
You literally never really do that. Character progression is tied to acquisition of heart containers/pieces and some fairy fountains that upgrade your magic iirc. There's no experience involved and how much health you have depends ENTIRELY on how many heart containers and pieces you CHOOSE to pick up.
>>variety of items and armour that can be switched out
Nice try, but Zelda handles that sort of thing differently from an RPG, since every weapon has its own specific use on the field and in combat. You use items to solve puzzles or expose weaknesses in enemies, not exactly the same type of thing in RPGs, where you find a ton of weapons or equipment which might be superior to what you currently have equipped, so you decide to switch to those instead.
>>open world which encourages exploration
I guess Grand Theft Auto III is an RPG then. :^)
>opinions are all meaningless, except for my opinions, which are facts.
>>321263048
>Dark Souls
literally nothing else to the game except combat, dodge/parry at the last second, attack
shallow
>Dragon's Dogma
soulless boring world with shit npcs
shallow
>Witcher 3
Didn't play yet.
>Twilight Princess
Does all these things >>321262769 worse than OoT
>>321263048
>World is empty
>Nintendo 64 Game Paks (NUS-006) are plastic ROM cartridges that store game data for the Nintendo 64. Their sizes vary[1] from 4 MB (32 Mbit; e.g. Automobili Lamborghini and Dr. Mario 64) to 64 MB (512 Mbit; e.g. Resident Evil 2 and Conker's Bad Fur Day).
Explain your subjective definition of depth.
What other games in that era vastly "out pace" Ocarina? Whatever the fuck out pacing means.
epic
>>321260234
Agree BUT it's a nintendo exclusive so.... GOAT
>>321263358
> Literally almost EVERY kind of game can be boiled down to such.
True, he's undertaking a quest to save the world in a fantasy setting which is a characteristic of an RPG.
>There's no experience involved
the fact that this mechanic isn't implemented is what makes it a shallow experience
>where you find a ton of weapons or equipment which might be superior to what you currently have equipped
they attempted to do this with the 3 different shields and swords, they didn't go far enough again which is why it's a shallow
>I guess Grand Theft Auto III is an RPG then. :^)
It's an open world adventure game, much better than OoT in that regard
>>321263716
>>Dragon's Dogma
>soulless boring world with shit npcs
>shallow
More to explore and do in the world than in OoT and far more diverse character with dialogue and world building.
>Twilight Princess
>Does all these things >>321262769 (You) worse than OoT
In which ways does it not measure up to OoT?
>>321260234
Metarru Gearu sorrid fayvo
>>321260234
Agree. Maybe not to the same degree but it is overhyped. There were far better games released around the time of oot that blow it out of the water. If it weren't Zelda it wouldn't had caught any attention.
>>321263931
Well obviously OoT beats games from its own era fucking retard, but thats cheating. Idiot.
>>321263931
>IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME
Literally the only argument people ever come up with to defend it's shitty shallow gameplay
Does it make anyone else slightly sad that people shitpost about certain games/movies/tv shows/books?
I'm not saying anything is perfect or infallible, but a part of me dies inside.
>>321264120
Sorry idiot, try harder.
I played OOT when it first came out when I was 10 years old.
I will love it forever.
Disagree. It definitely wears its age as bigger worlds and more polished animations and mechanics have been established since, but the core design elements of the game stands as tall as it ever has. The dungeons, pacing, items, sidequests, and story all hold up just fine in part of a good balance between simplicity and efficiency. OoT, at its core, is simply a very well-designed game, so much so that it's hard for time to take that away.
>>321264295
>no counter argument
nice one
>>321264326
>babby immediately admits to loving it only because of nostalgia
lmao
>>321263931
>it was good at the time
Stop. There are games that hold up even today and those should be considered good.
For exampleMega Man XI still replay it from time to time
>>321260234
The only thing that doesn't hold up is empty hyrule field.
>>321264037
>I guess Grand Theft Auto III is an RPG then. :^)
>It's an open world adventure game
>OoT is not an open world adventure game
holy shit you can't be this stupid
>>321264120
it was good then and its good now, the fact that even now games are still trying to equal it speaks volumes. for what they add in content they miss the mark on other aspects. OOT is a tight experience, quality > quantity. thats why its better than its competitors. and what OOT does lack, MM makes up for.
between those 2 games, no modern trash can compare.
>>321264037
By your logic, Mega Man X is a RPG with its "level up" and "upgrade" system.
Pro tip:it isn't
>>321264134
I legitimately get a little depressed anytime someone says they dislike Metroid Prime, Banjo-Kazooie, or the Megaman Legends games. I'd add MediEvil to that but I don't think I've ever come across someone that dislikes MediEvil.
>>321260234
>OoT is a shallow action adventure RPG and when judged by today's standards doesn't hold up.
Your dick doesn't "hold up."
>>321264489
OoT is a shitty shallow open world adventure game with badly implemented RPG mechanics. It fails on both accounts
I'll always have a soft spot for Ocarina, but the hype always baffles me. Expecially when its considered a perfect masterpiece by so many, but its also a mainstream opinion Navi is annoying and the Water Temple is shit.
How does a perfect game have a totally shit level?Ironically, I think OOT is overhyped but I actually like the Water Temple.
>>321264490
>IT HAS SOUL!!!!
This is the stupidest argument so far
>>321264037
>True, he's undertaking a quest to save the world in a fantasy setting which is a characteristic of an RPG.
But undertaking a quest to save the world in a fantasy setting doesn't automatically equate to an RPG in and of itself. That would literally just be the plot and setting.
>the fact that this mechanic isn't implemented is what makes it a shallow experience
Maybe the fact that the mechanic isn't implemented is because it's not actually an RPG, meaning a lack of a mechanic intrinsic to an entirely different genre doesn't take away from the experience? Just a thought.
>they attempted to do this with the 3 different shields and swords, they didn't go far enough again which is why it's a shallow
But the shields are superior for different reasons typical to an RPG. Being that there's no real defense stat, the shields find different uses. The wooden shield at the beginning of the game can get destroyed via fire, so it's a good idea to get the Hylian Shield as a kid, with the drawback being that it makes you less maneuverable when using it. As an adult, you have the Hylian Shield by default, but you need the Mirror Shield to solve certain puzzles involving light.
It's literally action-adventure progression rather than RPG progression, you fucking dipshit.
>It's an open world adventure game, much better than OoT in that regard
It's actually a completely different genre than OoT, since OoT was never open-world, with a completely different focus in gameplay. OoT is all about progression via finding dungeons, going through them, and solving puzzles. GTAIII has none of that.
>>321264546
I had the original PS but never played it. Is there anyway to buy it on ps3?
>>321260234
>todays standards
there is your problem. you shouldn't be measuring by "today's standards".
But to answer your retarded question, OOT is 8/10 at best. now fuck off.
>>321264120
You've explained nothing.
Comparing it to modern titles is fucking retarded simply because hardware is completely different. There's so much you can do now with the vast amount of space compared to the size limitations/performance limitations of the time.
I never said it wasn't good anymore. It's still a good video game.
>>321264702
Nigga what. You SHOULD measure all games by todays standards because guess what, some games do still hold
>>321263048
>the world is empty
Confirmed for not playing the game and trying to have an opinion. Fuck off.
>>321264120
>>321264814
And to add onto my point, this was a time in the game industry when people were still fucking figuring out how to make 3D games that didn't handle like a tank in mud.
>>321264702
>>321264814
>ITS NOT FAIR TO COMPARE IT TO OTHER GAMES THAT CAME OUT LATER
>IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME
Getting real tired of this argument
>>321264648
where did I say that?
>>321264814
Chrono Trigger, Mega Man games, Mario games, earlier Final Fantasy games all still hold up today.
There is nothing wrong with comparing it to modern titles
>>321264981
I agree the controls are janky, how is this a positive?
>>321265002
>OOT is a tight experience, quality > quantity
>>321264667
It should be on PSN for $6 or something. I'll forewarn you by saying that the camera and visuals are straight out of their time but holy shit, does MediEvil get a lot right elsewhere - humor, level design, artstyle, difficulty curve, weapon variety, and so on. It's legitimately one of my favorite games ever.
>>321265103
Confirmed retard
>>321264992
So you have no argument then. You just keep deflecting and not addressing anything.
Good waste of 15 minutes.
Best Dungeons = Twilight Princess
Best Story/Characters = Majora's Mask
Best Combat =Skyward Sword
Best Pacing/Not wasting any fucking time on stupid shit like wrangling sheep and collecting spirit vessels = Link the the Past
Best first zelda people played = OOT
>>321263931
It wasn't good for the time.
It was barely alright for the time.
>15fps
>very low resolution
>really bad menu system
>relatively bad graphic considering the above.
>dungeons were repetitive
>fairly meh storyline
>wonky controls
Consider that even within EAD, there were better looking games, pushing higher polygon counts, that ran at 30fps.
OOT was actually a pretty bad effort by EAD.
FF7 was a much better game and more deserving of its priase, but even it's overhyped as fuck.
Syphon Filter, now there was a game good for its time.
You can tell when all the babies have off from school for winter break. There's some bad shitposting going around
>>321265312
Do you even play games or just look at them?
>>321261560
>I just think its not very good
>titles thread "over hyped garbage"
>>321265192
What am I supposed to be adressing? In fact you're the one who's deflecting and saying that you can't compare it to modern standards and that it broke ground at the time it was released
>>321262769
>can "level up" your characters
wat?
>>321265152
What kind of humor is it? I know nothing about the game except that you play as a talll Skeleton with a sword. And everyone loves it apparently.
>>321265414
I don't it's very good, it's overhyped garbage. That doesn't mean I hate it. If I was forced to sit down and play I wouldn't start screaming, I've even completed it twice before
>>321265243
>SS
>better combat than TP
Glorified sword puzzles does not make for good combat, especially considering how many of TP's new mechanics it stripped away. Even then, what good ideas SS implemented combat-wise are downplayed in the vast majority of instances by comically childish AI patterns. Only enemies like Ghirahim or Stalfos were worth much of anything in the combat department.
>RPG
It's not an RPG though.
>>321260623
I'd like to know too
>>321265549
>can no longer slash while running
for this reason alone TP is better than SS
>>321262585
why do japanese people hate apples
>>321264814
It's not thought when oot is more open world than skyward. It's not when ff7 has a bigger world map than ffx onwards. It's not when tenchu is better than modern stealth. It's fair when gears has more of an interactive battle system than blade It's almost unfair to compare to modern counter parts These games still hold up
>>321265381
>hurr if don't accept bad coding you must just be a graphicx whore
This meme again.
Even by the standards of the time it was bad, and for no real reason either.
Mario64 pushes more polygons, actually somehow manages to push more textures and still runs in a higher resolution mode and at 30fps.
Moving from 3D games running at silky 60hz to 15fps was absolutely jarring at the time.
30fps didn't look as good, but it was accepted due to the power of the hardware of the time.
15fps was never acceptable.
Op confirmed for no soul
>>321260234
>i didnt play the game until 15 years after it came out, i dont understand why it was 10/10 for its time
>>321260234
No, it has qualities that are found only in other Zelda games, and even compared to them it does some elements the best.
The game is about pacing and level design, and those things are timeless
>>321264037
>exp system is prerequisite for interesting gaming
>>321260234
> ITT: overhyped garbage
Undertale.
Zelda games have never been RPG games. This shitty bait thread. They're just fucking action adventure games. Trying to say that the game is "shallow" is a dumb argument that I really don't understand. You run around and explore, get some items and find shit to do. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
>>321265439
Exactly, everything in every medium released before 2015 has been outclassed by modern standards
>>321265695
mario64 has significantly less draw distance and size or scale
>>321265702
>IT HAS SOUL
>>321265735
>IT WAS GOOD FOR THE TIME
I'm laughing irl right now, you people are ridiculous
>>321265776
They literally have, better hardware and better engines make for a deeper and more compelling experience
>>321265530
Mostly a whimsical but dark humor, largely at Dan's expense. For example, Dan iswrongfully heralded as a hero that slayed a powerful wizard when in reality he was the first to fall in battle. Arrow to the eye you see, hence the missing eye. Now the gargoyle statues that talk to you throughout the game give you tons of shit for it, but over the course of the game they start easing up on you (albeit in disbelief) as you start actually proving your potential mettle as a hero. Really, the statues are some of the best "characters" in the games but it's not just them that know his story.
>>321260234
>today's standards
Today's standards are that a 3-hour piece of shit pixel indie game full of memes and gay characters, and with hollow gameplay, is "GOTY" on the Internet.
Today's standards are thus trash.
>>321265840
Right, and the Iliad and Odyssey suck because I can watch O Brother, Where Art Thou, right?
>>321265762
This, although Zelda 2 was at least an RPG.
Even still, Zelda games have never been RPG games otherwise. That was always a misconception, as there are no role-playing elements.
It's pretty stupid since LoZ was always one of the series that fucking wrote the book on action-adventure game design too.
Link to the Past is fucking boring. OoT aged well.
>>321260234
I think it holds up perfectly fine. I played it for the first time last October and it was by far the best game I had played in years.
>>321265546
Why would you finish a game twice if you don't think it's very good
I can understand doing a full playthrough to get an idea about the whole game but fug m8
>>321261560
>>321260234
I fucking knew it was you. I don't care if you read the rest of this I just want you to know I recognized you from 2 fucking posts you miserable blight of existence.
You're the faggot from the other OoT thread that kept trying to compare OoT to fucking Witcher 3 and dragons dogma.
Thanks for revealing yourself early so I dont have to waste my time reading this thread.
Dude You're a flat out jaded cynical contrarian piece of shit that doesn't understand how standards work. OoT is an amazing game by todays standards and if you weren't so god damn young and ignorant you wouldn't be trying to compare it to modern games instead of judging it based purely on its merits and flaws.
Heres a few merits for you to think about: completeness, masterpeice soundtrack, perfectly paced story and richness in depth an nuance. Combat is fleshed out perfectly for servicing the gameplay and its mechanics. Every item serves several purposes and practically every piece of the world is the same way, fitting perfectly and enhancing the war and overall canon of zelda by the grace of its fucking existence.
Now tell me how this fucking game is shallow. Explain to me the lack of depth you seem to have completely fucking made up.
This game is a god damned masterpiece and I'm sick of you ignorant contrarian shitheads trying to convince other ignorant people to adopt your very shit and poorly based opinion.
Fuck off and die.
>>321265616
I was so sad to see it go
>>321260234
disagree, played it the first time like a month ago and it deserves it's reputation. It's excellent.
>>321265086
>turn based RPGs
>Good
>side scroller shooter, glorified contra arcade games
>good
>mario
top kek
>>321265965
Yeah, those 5 hour games with four hours of cutscenes and 30 minutes of QTE are stunning triumphs of art and storytelling
>>321266278
World instead of war.
God damn I really hope you're actually stupid enough to carry such an ignorant ass opinion instead of just being a shitter trying to bait me.
Because god damn it you've rustled me something fierce.
>>321264037
>they attempted to do this with the 3 different shields and swords, they didn't go far enough again which is why it's a shallow
wrong
1 sword is for kid
1 sword is for adult
1 shield is for kid
1 shield is for adult
1 sword is a cool unlock with a tradeoff
1 shield is a puzzle solver
>>321266278
I agree with pretty much every thing you said there, but chill out man.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
>>321264992
Then how about responding to one of the other arguments, you idiot: >>321264657
SNES era games tend to age better because they were made at the peak of the 2D era. Ocarina of Time was made at the birth of 3D, and it was an amazing game for it's time. Sorry you're too stupid to realize this.
EH REH
>>321266653
I know I do, but I sperged worse last time and was robbed of getting the chance to BTFO this guy. The thread closed right when I finished my post.
It was a ridiculous wall of text explaining as neatly as I could why calling OoT "Shallow" is the stupidest fucking thing you could say about damn near any videogame.
God damn I hate mindless contrarianism. I really shouldn't be on /v/
I like OoT because it primarily discusses how the world changes in time, or in memory. How when we're younger things are more ideal---our responsibilities are smaller and more lighthearted. We're unable to see the cold, uncaring parts of the world; the game saves its evil in the first half for something corruptive, something lingering in the backbone of our societies, eating it from within (whether it's within the elder of the society, or the source of food or water). When you grow up, it's all fucked up, and all you want to do is restore it to the way you remembered it as a kid---because that's all you knew.
>>321266763
>Then how about responding to one of the other arguments, you idiot: >>321264657 (You)
Kek, I did find it funny how he completely and totally ignored my post.
Dude has no ground to stand on and anyone who thinks OoT is an RPG, as well as the Zelda series in general, is a moron.
>>321266653
But I feel better now. I got my chance to tell this dude hes the ultimate mindless fuckhead like I wanted to.
Im gonna go play OoT in spite and eventually get to enjoying it again like always.
Thanks and have a second (you) chillguy
>>321267010
Interesting interpretation of the story and themes but I don't think OP's gonna care much.
>>321267195
He wont, hes too busy being far too retarded to understand things as simple as genres.
>>321267010
Very interesting analysis.
OoT has one of my favorite plots in vidya ever, despite being very simplistic and ultimately, rather straight-forward. But it works as a basic Hero's Journey kind of tale.
And the dialogue is fantastic. Any time Sheik says anything, it's magical. Brilliant writing.
The fact that threads about it still regularly go to bump limit and every contrarian piece of shit on earth is quick to tell you how overrated it is, should tell you how great it is.
>>321266278
>abloo bloo bloo you hurt my fee fees
Are you the guy I BTFO last night three times before you finally gave up replying? fucking kek
The game is shallow because you only get one primary weapon, with which you can use only 4 attacks, items are useless outside of their respective dungeons and the overworld has nothing to do aside from collectibles. The lore isn't well fleshed out, the controls are ass garbage, first person aiming with an N64 controller is a horrible nightmare. There are literally no character arcs and the game has two sidequests of note.
Would you like to name a couple of the ways that the game has depth, literally no one ITT or the thread last night were able to do so
>>321266763
>SNES era games tend to age better because they were made at the peak of the 2D era
>IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME
Do you really want me to reply to every single poster that says the exact same thing?
>>321267473
This. Many on /v/ can't bring themselves to like something popular. It's a big part of why Majora's Mask is so openly loved despite being much of the same, but shorter.
>>321267010
If this was intentional then that's interesting. I sincerely doubt that it is though
>>321264040
>never names any
lmao
>>321267917
Why are you so obsessed with "depth"? Is it because of your crippling autism? By that metric everything but RPGs are bad games.
>>321267473
Literally all I'm asking for is for someone to explain the alleged depth this game has. I'm becoming more and more convinced it's pure nostalgia as the only argument anyone has is that "IT WAS GOOD FOR THE TIME"
>>321268189
>le ad hominem in place of arguments
how fucking mad are you right that I've been BTFOing you for 2 days straight?
>>321268224
M8 you make this exact post in every fucking thread. You either are very dedicated to shitposting, or are genuinely on the autism spectrum.
>>321268224
You're being standoffish in the first place. Any point presented is going to be handwaved or downplayed because now you're in a place you need to defend yourself. You're not being disregarded because there's nothing good to be said of it. You just already have your own opinions and it's clear you're going to fight for them.
>>321268297
I'm not that guy from yesterday autismo, and you didn't explain why depth is the only measurement for a games quality.
>>321268367
>>321268391
>still no explanation as to why this game has any depth
do you or do you not agree that OoT is a shallow game? If not then explain why. This shouldn't be difficult
>>321268497
It's not, my opening statement was that OoT is a shallow game. People were trying to say it isn't without giving reasons
>>321267917
>items are useless outside of their respective dungeons
We're not talking about Twilight Princess here.
>>321268576
What do you mean by shallow? What would be a deep game? Give a few examples of each so I know how to explain this to you.
>>321264586
Water Temple isn't bad, it's too hard for baby gamers of today is all.
I love Navi and don't get the complaints about her desu.
>>321268507
Explain "depth." What are you looking for? Story depth? It hides details of the plot around that you might miss, like the dying soldier in the backalley. Gameplay depth? There's quite a few things to do in this world, minigames, secrets up the ass, and even subtle ways to effect the environment like larger monsters coming after you kill 10 or so smaller ones. Level depth? There's a healthy amount of dungeons in this game that all have a lot of rooms to explore. Even the overworld has stuff tucked all over. Gameplay depth? There's a million ways to interact with enemies, and many items have shockingly many uses over the course of the game. Certain enemies are weak against things you'd never expect, etc.
So what kind of depth are you interested in?
>>321265625
I've heard that their throats are too soft to handle the apple skin. It explains why they're always peeling them.
>>321267917
>The game is shallow because you only get one primary weapon, with which you can use only 4 attacks
The combat is perfectly fleshed out for how it adds to the main game mechanics. The depth is in figuring out how to take on each enemy, as mashing B will get you killed and some enemies are immune to the sword.
>tems are useless outside of their respective dungeons and the overworld has nothing to do aside from collectibles.
Wrong, each item has several uses. Hammer for example is potent in combat being the best tool vs Dark Link. Ice Arrows are very good against Bongo Bongo. The 3 magic are handy despite being optional.
>The lore isn't well fleshed out
Fucking LOL. The lore was great and told organically. Tidbits like Sheikah stones, etc.
>the controls are ass garbage, first person aiming with an N64 controller is a horrible nightmare.
You're ass garbage at the game, the controls are good.
>There are literally no character arcs
Every character had their own distinct arc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOGxM5sDY8
> the game has two sidequests of note.
Masks is a fantastic sidequest, Gerudo training ground is good, biggoron sword, poes, Kakariko cucco gathering, etc.
>>321268795
Oops, I said gameplay a couple times. Wonder if that's going to be used to disregard everything I pointed out.
>>321265086
Good thing that Ocarina of Time holds up even better than those titles do you cuck
>>321268772
Navi being awful was just a meme that grew out of innacurate memories of children.
>>321265086
How do any of those games compare with OoT? They aren't remotely the same. At least try to compare it to something similar, so we know it's not just because you hate this particular genre.
>>321266173
I like you.
>>321260234
I disagree 100%
>>321268970
The best part is Navi only chimes in most of the time when you are clearly lost. When retards complain about her its because they got lost and the game inadvertently called them a dumbass.
>>321268795
You're the first poster to actually try and argue the point in 2 thread. Legitimately well done for being able to stay on point.
>It hides details of the plot around that you might miss, like the dying soldier in the backalley
That's hardly adding depth to the story, it's a small detail in the gameworld. Doesn't stop the story from being a very basic "hero on a quest to save the world" storyline.
>There's quite a few things to do in this world
There really isn't, collectibles and minigames doesn't make the world deep. There is nothing you can do to actually affect the gameworld. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only two instances I can think of that aren't directly tied to story progression are starting up the windmill and planting seeds so they become plants later. There is a grand total of 2 sidequests of any note
>There's a million ways to interact with enemies
being able to chuck a deku nut to render your opponent unable to guard does not equal depth in combat. There is no incentive to use anything in combat other than the sword and shield outside of being numbingly bored and wanting something new to do
>>321267010
There are themes relative to childhood and growing up in a bunch of Zelda games including OoT, MM, aLttP, and Link's Awakening at least.
>>321267917
Im the guy that BTFO literally everything you said in that thread and left because you never replied to me or the other three dudes who were calling you out on your dumb bullshit.
>One primary weapon
Wrong, you get three
>Only 4 attacks.
Again, blatantly wrong.
>Items are useless outside of their dungeons.
Yet another wrong statement that anyone whos actually played the game can verify.
>Overworld has nothing to do aside from collectables.
Its not supposed to you dipshit its a progressive adventure game, not an RPG.
Are you still stuck on every game having to be like skyrim with loads of meaningless shit to do on its map to appease your feeble brain and its puny attention span?
Apparently so.
>The lore isn't well fleshed out
This post just keeps getting better and better when it comes to being so fucking insanely wrong.
>Controls are garbage.
Opinion, impossible to measure and somehow still wrong.
>First person aiming on n64
Fucking irrelevant, quit trying to save your ass now, you're way to deep in your own bullshit at this point.
>No character arcs
Since when do Action adventure games have to have character arcs and sidequests? And Theres waaaay fucking more than just 2 sidequests you dipshit. Something tells me you had to fight ganon with like 5 heart containers because you never did the quests for the peices.
Because you might not have even played the god damn game.
>Because nobody ITT or the thread last night were able to do so.
>>321266278
>>321266648
>>321264657
>>321265192
>>321263358
You keep ignoring all the posts that have obliterated your irrelevant dribble and are blatantly lying now.
You keep trying to bring up completely mute points that all get repeatedly based down by more than just me, which you fucking ignore because you've lost the arguement a long time ago. You've failed in every possible way to explain how OoT is Objectively shallow.
And you'll continue to fail. You will always be garbage, stay mad, and get fucked.
>>321262769
>character undertaking a quest
Forza Horizon: work your way up the ladder against various opponents in increasing difficulty, to become a master at what you do, gaining respect and money.
>can "level up" your characters
Level up as you progress through the quest, unlocking new and better cars, bonuses and extras.
>variety of items and armour that can be switched out
Replace engine and suspension parts to gain advantage against your enemies in races.
>open world which encourages exploration
Explore the open territory, find races to unlock, invite other players to instant challanges, take scenic photos and other fun stuff.
Forza Horizon 10/10 RPG of the year.
>>321261874
/thread
>play witcher 3 and bloodborne
>love them because they remind me of OoT
>replay OoT to see if it's still good
>love it
feels good to not suffer from depression
>>321267917
Heres yet ANOTHER guy that blew you straight the fuck out.
But you're just gonna say you didn't and ignore it to avoid being wrong since last night.
>Zelda
>RPG
>>321260234
>>321269425
must feel good not being retarded like OP either.
>>321269202
>story must fit my rigid definition of "strictly what happens in cutscenes"
kek
>>321266278
>>321267917
>>321269293
these are hilarious keep it up
>>321269202
No, he isn't. You've purposefully disregarded a number of well thought out posts throughout this thread and probably the last one, because you know you're full of shit.
>>321260234
Disagree. I played it for the first time in 2011 and I fucking loved it. It's brilliant. It was honestly a wonderful and refreshing break from the games I was playing in 2010 and early 2011. It made me wonder why I hadn't been into Zelda when I was growing up.
>>321269376
>>321269293
>>321269202
OP BTFO. Hes clearly ignoring being wrong. This is amazing.
>>321269202
>no biggoron's sword
>no megaton hammer
>no hookshot stun a guy into quickspin on your sword
M8, did you even play the game?
>the definitive version of the Hero's Journey
>basic save the world storyline
Right, because dragon's dogma which you use as an example so often has such a compelling plot
>there is a dragon
>kill the dragon
>weeb clusterfuck ending
>>321268865
>as mashing B will get you killed and some enemies are immune to the sword.
nah, you can literally stand there and use to stab to kill enemies in a couple hits. There are a few exceptions but the majority of encounters are just waiting for an opening and then hammering the b button
>Wrong, each item has several uses
the only items you are likely to use outside their dungeons are hookshot, bow and bombs. The hammer is outclassed by the biggoron sword in every way
>The lore was great
You can like it if you want but it's lacking in depth and you know it
> the controls are good
>defending first person aiming
It's an ergonomic fact that the N64 controller is bad for this
>a shitty 2deep4u gametheory youtube video
I'm not watching that
>Gerudo training ground is good
minigame
>poes
collectibles
> Kakariko cucco gathering
small quest, that isn't of note
>>321260234
Wholeheartedly disagree.
Today's action adventure games are utter shit in comparison. Weather it's content, gameplay or music.
Call me a nostalgia-fag all you want.
Let me get this off my chest.I absolutely loved this game the first time I played it. BUT, it's not a fun game to replay. Especially if you've played it numerous times. Still a great game, but I personally prefer 2D Zeldas. Also, Zelda II is a great game.
>>321269293
dont worry op is retarded
>>321269202
>Doesn't stop the story from being a very basic "hero on a quest to save the world" storyline.
This is unfair of you to boil the game down to. It's more akin to "Hero tries to protect a magical relic from the hands of a warlord from the desert, fails, and is flung 7 years in the future where he must defeat him at the height of his strength in a world that fell apart."
Boiling everything down to "save the world" can be said for 99.99% of games, give or take the scope of the battle. It would nearly take casting aside playing the "good guy" to be unable to use this description, and Zelda really shouldn't be Grand Theft Auto.
>Correct me if I'm wrong
I'm going to have to correct you. There is a sidequest for capturing special Poes, there is a sidequest for racing to the Kokiri forest (which turns out to be bullshit, but it's something to do). There is a quest for hunting skulltulla tokens. There is a quest for getting the best sword in the game, which is actually pretty involved. There is a "quest" for getting the biggest fish. Your definition of "affecting the gameworld" is pretty limiting if you don't consider any of these real side quests.
>There is no incentive to use anything in combat
Arrows instantly kill skulltullas, even if slingshot has no effect. Hookshot can stun many enemies. There's probably a million others too.
>>321269821
>Ignores that he got proven wrong about having only 1 primary weapon
>Ignores that he got proven wrong about claiming that items are only usefull in their dungeons, saying now that bombs, hookshot, and bow somehow magically are now.
>Lores lacking in depth and Im not gonna explain how because I'm incompetent.
You just can't accept the fact that you're wrong, can you? You're childish as hell.
>>321269293
>Im the guy that BTFO literally everything you said in that thread and left because I ran out of counter arguments
FTFY
>Wrong, you get three
they all function the same
>Again, blatantly wrong.
you get a stab, a jump attack, a slash and a spin what other attacks can you do with the sword?
>Its not supposed to you
so it lacks depth? glad we agree
>have replied to all those posts except the ones arguing semantics
lmao nice attempt
>>321269909
I agree with you on everything except I respectfully disagree about it being not fun to replay. Zelda II absolutely is a very good game.
>>321269821
>the only items you are likely to use outside their dungeons are hookshot, bow and bombs. The hammer is outclassed by the biggoron sword in every way
Just becuase you had no intuition and didn't think to use all the items at your disposal doesn't mean you can't. I had a friend who tried to kill the poes sisters hiding in the paintings in the Forest Temple using the deku nuts.
>small quest, that isn't of note
Do you move goalposts for a living?
>>321269376
Forza isn't even remotely anything like OoT I don't understand what point you're attempting to make
>>321270016
>You're childish as hell
You're the one defending a NINTENDO game
I give all these OBJECTIVE FACTS and you fucking retards just shit in a circle and eat it
Fuck all of you, I'm fucking done
>>321270091
didn't you defend skyrim, a game whose melee combat is literally swinging your weapon left and right, and occasionally overhead?
>>321270091
You didn't reply to those posts
fuck off retard
>>321269425
These threads are making me want to boot up my 3DS and do a 100% run right now. They keep reminding me how good OoT was. Maybe I'll start a new file on Christmas.
>>321269909
occarina of time is probably the most replayed game for me
>>321270180
>Fuck all of you, I'm fucking done being retarded
good riddance faggot
>>321269746
>you can use A BIGGER SWORD
>you can use A WORTHLESS ITEM
>you can use AN ITEM TO RENDER YOUR OPPONENT UNABLE TO GUARD
This doesn't add any noticeable depth
>the definitive version of the Hero's Journey
you're delusional if you believe this, there are stories going back hundreds of years that defined the Hero's Journey
>dragon's dogma which you use as an example so often has such a compelling plot
Was actually using it as a gameplay comparison, their plots are equally shallow with DD having more characters and better world building.
>>321270091
>All function the same
No they don't. They all have different mechanics and ranges.
>What other attacks
The quickspin and the dash stab.
>So it lacks depth
No it doesn't you're just clearly mentally deficient and don't know what depth is.
>Have replied to all of them
Just because you replied saying "No you're wrong" without explaining why, and clearly ignoring valid points against you, doesn't mean you havent been getting BTFO since this thread started.
And your replies have all been exactly like this one, damage control.
>>321270016
Stay assblasted and wrong OP.
>>321270442
I thought you said you were done getting BTFO lmao
>>321270180
ebin falseflag attempt
>>321270442
>Megaton Hammer
>worthless
I honestly cannot believe you just said that.
>>321270180
holy shit you're delusional as fuck
It's been a long time since I've seen an OP get so badly annihilated.
>>321270102
>>321270269
I don't know, maybe it's just me. I probably got burnt out trying to play it so much. Yet, I've never felt this way when replaying a 2D Zelda for some reason.
>>321262304
>twilight princess
>better than oot
Oh baby the memesters are out in full force.
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>>321270442
>>321269821
>>321269202
>This doesn't add depth but I can't explain why because I have autism.
>These reasons you've given me that clearly give depth to the gameplay somehow don't because I say so.
>>321270180
>Objective facts
Pfffahahahaha
I really hope you are done OP. I really don't want to have to keep coming to these threads to push your shit in.
>>321270464
>No they don't. They all have different mechanics and ranges.
Are you actually trying to deny that MS and KS have the same moveset and that MS is a direct upgrade
>The quickspin and the dash stab.
quickspin is technically another move so I'll give you that, if we're including that then we might as well throw in all the variations of the spin. If every other move had the same number of variations then combat would indeed have significant depth. Have never heard of a dash stab, is this an exploit?
>le damage control meme
any other buzzwords you wanna throw out? how about calling me underage and reddit
>>321270173
It's an RPG
>>321270442
>using a two handed sword is the same as a one handed sword
>using an item to render your opponent unable to guard doesn't add depth to combat
What the flying fuck does then?
>heroes journey
forgot to add modern in there
>>321265243
This, except for combat.
>>321270126
>Do you move goalposts for a living?
I never disputed there was more than 2 sidequests only that there was 2 of note. How is that goal post moving?
>>321270663
While TP tried to be OoT and failed, I have to say that sand dragon was the most fun I've had in a boss fight in a very long time
and that sky temple boss holy shit
>>321270602
biggoron sword is better for literally everything, fite me
>>321270734
They add depth, nothing game changing though. Majority of encounters you will be standing around waiting for your chance to spam stab at the enemy. The only reason you would employ any of the other options is if you're pissbored and want to try something else. There are no enemies that require specific counters or anything like that which would add DEPTH
>>321271015
TP almost succeeded at being OOT, I just wish your path crossed a few more interesting NPC's who impacted the plot. Ultimately, I wasn't attached to much of anyone. Wind Waker did this better at least. Also, it needed sidequests that mattered more than "extra ruppees." Even a ruppee powered suit wasn't enough to make all that extra cash necessary.
>>321270841
>deny same moveset
No. I'm telling you they have different mechanics and ranges, which they do, but you're too damn retarded to look up and recognize because you clearly didn't play the game.
>Ill give you that
Damn right you will because you're fucking wrong.
>If ____ had ____ Then it would indeed have depth
See you have to fucking PROVE that, which is something you've yet to do this entire thread.
>Buzzwords
Yeah keep changing the subject and ignoring the rest of my points. Keep showing how inept you really are.
I don't need to call you underage. You've made that pretty apparent yourself. And even retards on reddit know OoT isn't "Shallow" by any means. I don't know where you crawled out of.
>>321271179
>large skulltula
>iron knuckles
>gerudo
>mummies
I could go on, but holy fuck dude, have you even played this game?
>>321271179
So now they add depth but not enough for you?
Have you been BTFO so hard you're starting to redact your points as if you never made them to protect your truncated anus?
>>321271309
you mean that kokiri sword has an inferior range? that's the only difference between those two. Biggoron has an obviously different moveset
>prove something that isn't provable
lol ok then
>ur le underage
every time.
>>321271370
>large skulltula
wait for them to attack then mash b
>iron knuckles
wait for them to attack then mash b
>gerudo
wait for them to attack then mash b
>mummies
run past them
>>321269821
>nah, you can literally stand there and use to stab to kill enemies in a couple hits.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>321271456
>So now they add depth but not enough for you?
Yes, the combat is still shallow
>more ad hominem shit
lmao ok then
>>321271370
I'll help.
>Beamos
>Wallmasters
>Keese
>Poes
>Dodongos
>this thread
>>321271627
>not using stab
nice one
>>321271548
>wait for them to attack then mash b
That's usually what a counter is. I could simplify the combat in your favourite game to such a bare description if I felt like it too, but that doesn't mean that either of us are accurately describing any combat.
>>321260234
It doesn't matter how good of a game it would be now. By its time it was a master piece. I personally didn't like the gritty and smudgy colors so i never played it back then. But I bought the 3DS version and it still is fun, i gotta say.
It isn't the holy grail of Zelda games though since i had much more fun with the phantom hour glass and link between worlds.
I think you should kill yourself you fucking faggot LOL
>>321271740
>IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME
I'm not even going to read the rest of your garbage post
>>321260234
>shallow
did you even play it?
>>321271548
>OoT Doesn't have Depth!
>Wait I have to explain why everything people claimed in this thread adds depth DOESN'T actually add depth?
>But wait I can't do that.
>Oh okay guys so it adds depth but not enough
pathetic.
>Every time
Yeah I imagine you get it a lot.
>>321271179
You've been playing too much DS
>>321271779
As if I care.
If you did you'd know how shitty and unnecessary your post is.
>>321271798
Dont bother reading the thread. He didn't play it.
ITT: "I don't understand context."
I'm not going to say that Ocarina of Time is an amazing game, but saying that something would be judged differently if released at a different time is really fucking obvious and not even worth stating. It's evident.
I can't imagine getting rekt this hard is very fun, OP. You have my pity.
>>321271808
If you took the time to read through the thread you would find that I was directly comparing it games like DaS, Dragons Dogma, Witcher 3 andTwilight Princesswhich have far more depth.
By todays standards OoT is a shitty shallow game, get over it
>>321260234
overhyped garbage
Stone wheel is a heavy, slow, transportation method and when judged by today's standards doesn't hold up. Agree of disagree?
Anyone who think OoT is bad is most likely a faggot hipster.
>>321271548
or you could use your bow to kill them instantly, or throw bombs at the knuckles to break their armor out of their melee range, or use a fucking fire arrow, or dins flame, or a goddamn stick light on fire to kill the mummy but no, you're a shitposting retard who hasn't actually played the game
>>321271883
Played it through twice, if you had read the thread you would know this :)
>>321271740
>i had much more fun with the phantom hour glass
If there was anywhere that other fag should've invalidated your post at it was here.
>>321271937
agree
>>321271972
>you can do these things instead of the easiest and most effective strategy
or you could not waste your time trying to artificially add depth to a shallow game
>>321271921
but all those games combat are shallow, all you do is run past the enemies or wait for an attack and mash x
Reminder that the OP didn't play the game. He's just a shitposter.
>>321272048
>large skulltula
>easiest and most effective strategy is to use the fucking arrows instead of standing there waiting for them like a goddamn retard
>>321271937
Totally agree. Doesn't even have tire. Must have been shit back then, and in no way contributed anything positive to todays situation.
Played the 3DS version for the first time last year and I thought it was fairly decent even by todays laughable standards. FFVII was better though.
>>321272048
So now its "artificial" depth
>>321271548
>large skulltula
Wait until they turn their back to you, stab
Cook a bomb and throw it at the fucker
Shoot it with arrow straight to the face
>iron knuckles
Strafe, jumping attack to the back
Z-target and backflip when the axe comes down, punish the fuck out of it
Set a bomb and lure it into it as a trapSong of Storms to rust its armor
>gerudo
Block, stab
Z-target side jump and stab
>mummies
Throw a bomb from a safe distance
Boomerang or longshot to stun, follow up with quick slashes
Fire or light arrows
Fuck you faggot the only thing you've made me do is want to play it and I only have the 3DS version
>>321271921
I took the time to read the thread and realize that you couldn't refute a single bit of evidence that nearly a dozen people threw at you to explain the depth of this game.
that you refused to recognize, and are still refusing by ignoring what actually happened in the thread and running back to a comparison of games that aren't even the same genre or type of game as OoT.
>Inb4 "IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME" Hurr Im not gonna read your post cus Im wrong.
Keep running back to your apples and oranges fallacies, but literally everyone here a this point knows you're retarded, probably haven't played the game, and now everyone that somehow didn't know, knows that OoT is, in fact, Not shallow at all.
And by Todays standards OoT is still minimum 8/10. Stay mad about it.
>>321271937
Also really lacking in depth.
>>321272298
>song of storms
Wait, really?
>>321272048
How the fuck would you know the most effective strategy when you have clearly never played the game? In most cases using items is more efficient than just the sword.
>ITT:Egoraptor dickrider hasn't even played the games and looks retarded
>>321272298
Wow look at the different ways to kill enemies, which is not at all depth because I say so.
>>321272052
nope
>>321272159
>opening up your menu and cycling through to find arrows and then equipping and firing them is more effective than waiting half a second for the brain dead AI to attempt an attack and mashing b until it's dead
ITT: OPie gets BTFO.
>>321272445
>not keeping arrows equipped 99% of the game
Don't be retarded.
>>321272445
>Not having bow in one of your C-slots forever after getting it
So what you're telling me is not only have you not finished it, you were bad at it too.
>>321272445
Yep
>>321272445
>nope
B-b-because I say so!
2deep4me
>>321265840
I said OP had no soul, not that Ocarina of Time had soul.
Can you read? Clearly not. OP is a fucking faggot. Now check this 4.
>>321272324
>I took the time to read the thread and realize that you couldn't refute a single bit of evidence that nearly a dozen people threw at you to explain the depth of this game.
the first 100 posts were arguing semantics, I've replied to any serious discussion of depth so far
>that you refused to recognize, and are still refusing by ignoring what actually happened in the thread and running back to a comparison of games that aren't even the same genre or type of game as OoT.
blatantly untrue
>more ad hominem
>Todays standards OoT is still minimum 8/10.
If the game dropped in 2015 nowhere would give it an 8/10 you're delusional if you think this
>>321272407
>YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED IT
nice way to avoid criticism
>>321272383
I'm pretty sure that only works in MM
>>321272569
>>321272560
>you have to play in this specific way for it to be good
lmao ok then
>>321272461
>if I keep saying it, then it becomes true
No one ITT has been able to keep pace. I've had a dozen or so IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME and a handful of people attempting serious discussion but they're getting so assblasted that it's basically just a wave of insults
It's nice to see /v/ appreciates Ocarina of Time even though it's a popular game. Even if it took people shitting on OP's terrible opinions to prove it.
>>321272783
>you have to play in this specific way for it to be good
Uh yeah, that's every game ever. Unless you really want it to be insanely easy, you fucking casual faggot.
>>321272594
Witcher 3 has dozens of different strategies for engaging enemies that allow you to defeat them far more effectively and easily than just hammering the x button. If you haven't played both games you can't draw comparisons, sorry bub
Threads like this make me question 4chan's idea of anonymity. The fact that autists like OP can make these threads and out himself so blatantly, yet remain anonymous is scary. Maybe when you reply to a poster in another thread, doesn't really matter if you agree or disagree, it's the same autistic motherfucker from this thread. And you can never really know.
I know i'll be on the look for any two or more posts with the words "deep" or "depth" in it, in future threads.
>>321272904
>his favourite game is OoT
>he calls others casuals
o i am laffin
>>321272642
>First 100 posts were arguing semantics
No, they weren't. They were you getting told that there's depth in the game and then not refuting those points that proved there was.
Again, because you replied to a post doesn't mean you've refuted their points. Most of your posts fucking ignore the points you can't refute. You're still doing it right now.
>Blatantly untrue
Prove it then.
>More ad hominem
I tell you that you're using apples/oranges fallacy because you clearly are but you just spew out another fallacy that you THINK you know what it means but you obviously don't.
>If it dropped in 2015
Thats not what "By todays standards" means, For a guy who throws the words "Ad Hominem" around you sure do use an awful lot of fallacies yourself.
>>321272920
>Witcher 3 has dozens of different strategies for engaging enemies that allow you to defeat them far more effectively and easily than just hammering the x button.
Oh, you mean just like Ocarina of Time.
>>321272642
Hmm let's see
>Calls the game an RPG
>You can level up
>There's no open world exploration
Nice way to talk out your ass
>Ocarina of Time doesn't have a world as big as Skyrim, Witcher 3, etc so it's shit
>not realizing that these open world games are bad because they are so open
I prefer a small empty world to one where it expects you to do repetitive copypasted tasks simply for the sake of padding out the experience
>>321273042
>acquiring items and heart containers is leveling up
wew
>>321272783
>Look at me mommy I refuted these people but can't prove it with links in the thread because I actually didn't.
>>321273000
>putting words in my mouth in an attempt to save face
Kill yourself
>>321272992
I wish I was a good enough memesmith to make some kinda meme harrowing OP's stupidity so we can continue to laugh at him in future OoT threads.
>>321273082
>riding through the same forests and roads over and over again in an empty world
>pathetic excuse for radiant AI
>copy pasted "random" encounters
>the devs realize this shit is so bad they give fast travel
>>321273040
Not even close, you're literally retarded if you can't see that Witcher 3 has far more options available to the player
>>321273093
Hearts are "leveling up" as much as heart tanks in Megaman X. Any version of a character getting stronger does not equate "leveling."
I don't agree completely with the retarded OP but I can agree that OoT is absolute shit by todqy standards and every 3D Zelda blows it out the water. The best I can say about it is that it changed the gaming industry in a good way forever and was great for it's time. It makes me want to see the game get the FFVII treatment and get a full on reimagining of the game that speeds up the game's pace, expand and fill Hyrule Field with tons and tons a goodies, make the dungeon harder and funner, and just improve on all of the games flaws.
ocarina of time is GOAT
check this 8
>>321273082
Right? How many dungeons does Skyrim really have? There's the barrows, dwemer and falmer ruins? What else? We do the same 4-5 tile sets over and over and each and every one is as unique and engaging as your average procedurally generated dungeon crawler's maze.
Wow. So open. So much content.
>>321273093
>Back peddling because even he knows his opinions are dumb as fuck
I'm quoting you, and no collecting pieces is not leveling up because they're optional
LMAOing at your life
>>321262769
>>321273298
"By todays standards" Doesn't mean comparing the game with other games from this modern era.
It means viewing the game in a an increased manner of scrutiny that's used in the review process today.
"Does this game hold up today" =/= "In todays standards."
>>321273014
>They were you getting told that there's depth in the game and then not refuting those points that proved there was.
nope, the first 100 posts were people insisting zelda didn't have RPG elements. I've been seriously replying to every post arguing about depth
>Prove it then.
Look at gameplay for DaS then look at gameplay for OoT. Can you not tell that they are incredibly similar allowing for comparisions to be drawn?
>abloo bloo bloo fallacy fallacy fallacy
Don't care mate, I'm trying to talk about video games here
>>321273396
>thinks anyone who disagrees with him is the same person
ur dum
>and no collecting pieces is not leveling up
not really which is why I put quotation marks around it genius, it is progression of character though which fills the same role
Just so you know "by today's standards" is a euphemism for game that is linear, has regenerating health, a bland Hollywood style OST, never stops holding your hand, has derivative art style and character design, has endless padding of worthless content, and microtransactions for the smallest amount of extra content.
So you're right, OoT doesn't hold up to today's standards in the stakes of terribleness.
>>321273473
>People arguing that Zelda didn't have RPG elements
No, a handful of people did, and then gave up after they clearly proved OoT is a progressive Action adventure game and that you would just keep back peddling and ignoring their points to save face.
>Gameplay for DaS
I was telling you to prove that you've been showing people how the game DOESN'T have depth and are refuting the myriad of posts explaining how it does.
But you can't do that, so what are you gonna say next, I wonder?
>Bloo bloo fallacy
You're the one who brought the fallacies up.
Now Im gonna ask if youre 12 and you're gonna go ">Underage" hurr every time.
Because thats all you can do. Because you've lost.
Alright /v/ my sides are fucking destroyed
I also have a heart problem from eating too many Doritos and drinking too much Mountain Dew
My heart is palpitating due to uncontrollable laughter
I have opened Word Pad and left a written will: if I have a heart attack and die, my entire savings of autismbux will be donated to An Hiro to cover server costs
>>321260234
>hating on OoT
Nice memeing, you fucking memer.
>>321273202
And just like your arguments against Ocarina, you can ignore all of them and just spam fast attacks right up in their face with only giant creatures like golems and chorts requiring you to keep your distance.
>>321260234
>>321262769
The fuck?
>>321273647
>they clearly proved OoT is a progressive Action adventure game
didn't happen
>I was telling you to prove that you've been showing people how the game DOESN'T have depth and are refuting the myriad of posts explaining how it does.
you want me to copy and paste the things that I've already posted? What good is that to anyone?
>now i'm gonna keep using buzzwords because i ran out of arguments
You're no longer part of this discussion because you've failed to raise a single point, goodbye
>>321263168
HIGHWAY TO OPINION ZONE
>>321273729
> you can ignore all of them and just spam fast attacks right up in their face
no you can't, a pack of drowners would insta-wreck you
>>321273202
by your own standards the most efficient way of dealing with any enemy is mashing light attack
so rather than using traps, or potions, or any of the magic the witcher can use...
>nope
mashing light attack is the only way of dealing with any enemy
In dmc3 you just shoot everything to death, right?
>>321273847
Maybe if you're a shitter, which you are.
>>321273847
>no you can't, a pack of iron knuckles would insta wreck you
>>321274015
Or a skulltula for that matter.
>>321273965
that doesn't even make sense, if all you're doing is hitting attack button there is no way to be a "shitter" at that. You're stupid.
>>321274015
except they wouldn't, they would take off a couple of hearts, leaving you with another 20. As I said, you just wait for them to attack then mash b, try reading the thread :)
>>321260234
10/10 meme brahfam.
>>321274123
>except they wouldn't, you could just use the 20 second invincibility frame roll to get out of any danger at any time
As I said, you just wait for them to attack then mash b, try reading the thread :)
>>321273638
>Every game this gen sucks XD
When will this fucking meme end? The gen is fill with as much bloat as the PSX and N64 era, the only difference is that instead of constantly making shitty 3D games for money developers constantly make shitty games full of microtransaction for money. Our standards are just as bad as they used to be. The only time when people standards for games were high was during the Gamecube and PS2 era.
>>321274123
There evidently is seeing as you can't even deal with a pack of drowners using brain dead tactics.
>>321274123
>you have to play the game in a specific way in order for it to be hard
lmao ok then
>>321274220
what point are you trying to make here?
>>321260623
it definitely defines the current status of TLOZ series
>>321274123
yeah, that time where you have to fight three of them at the same time is really just sitting there waiting for openings
>20 left
>implying you even played the game
>>321274123
Unless we're talking about whirl here...
>spam light attack at a pack of drowners
>you slice one to ribbons while the others dodge or fall back
>they then surround you and wreck your shit sideways
Aard is the best way to take out a bunch of drowners, especially with high intensity and its alt. code mode—just knock them over and instagib them
Disagree.
Muh gameplay autist are the most cancerous posters on /v/ I swear to god. Shitting on every game just because it doesn't fit their own contrived 'objective' ideas about what games should be like or how you should enjoy games
>>321273785
>Didn't happen.
>>321263358
In THIS post you were refuted on your claim "Undertaking a quest to save the world is an RPG element". Thats in no way whatsoever related to the game-play of OoT.
you also tried to claim you "Level up" in Oot, which you do not, as collecting heart containers is not an RPG element nor is it "Leveling up". And you responded to that with "Man that shoulda been in there huh?" Instead of accepting you were wrong.
Then you said that theres a variety of items and armors that can be switched out, and were promptly shut down under the explination of how items actually work in OoT. And you ignored, yet again, the fact that you were wrong, and backpeddaled into "Well theres only 3 shields.
And heres the followup post that blew you the fuck out even harder. >>321264657
That you STILL havent replied to.
>>321274314
that every argument you use to try and downplay OoT's combat can be used for every fucking game ever released you retard.
Every enemy is just wait for an opening and attack, what the fuck is your point?
>>321274278
>you have to play the game in a specific way in order for it to be hard
What is every game ever. Every game has an easy way to play, unless its a linear movie game. Or a game with no depth.
>>321274265
>The gen is fill with as much bloat as the PSX and N64 era
>what is the mobile market, steam greenlight, Xbox Live indie games
>>321274327
fine 17 hearts left, happy now
>>321274337
I totally agree, each enemy encourages you to use different tactics adding to the depth of Witcher 3s combat. If you could beat every enemy by standing there with your shield up waiting for a chance to attack then that would be shallow gameplay
>>321274480
explain to me how you beat dark link
>>321274354
OP gets BTFO Part 2.
In THIS post >>321269293
You get refuted on every single point you made before about the games lack of depth. First with the weapons, which you claimed there was one 1 primary weapon. You were proven that there are three. But you bypassed being wrong yet again with "They all function the same." Which was later refuted again.
Next you claimed there were only 4 attacks when there are 6 different ways of using your sword to comat your opponents. Which you openly admitted being wrong to.
And on the final point where the Overworld was discussed, you flat out ignored the point made that overworlds don't need tons of useless items and objectives to bulk up the map and clog the gameplay... and posted "Lol so you agree it lacks depth right?" Without actually proving that reason is the reason it lacks depth.
I can keep going if you want me to opie but it seems clear to me you don't know shit about shit.
>shallow
hardly
>and when judged by today's standards doesn't hold up.
It's still pretty fun and the graphics aren't that bad when compared to other early 3d games
>Agree or disagree?
I'm not even an OoT-fag but disagree
>>321274396
but you're not waiting for an attack if you're utilising dodges, you're dodging. You're analogy instantly failed
This whole thread is a big waste of everyone's fucking time
>>321274396
He doesn't have any valid points.
>>321260234
The only people I've met that say they like it played it when they were younger.
Honestly, I couldn't even make it through probably half of the game before I got bored. I dunno. Maybe I didn't make it to the fun parts. I don't like any game in the series though. ALttP is the the only one I've played a decent amount.
These days I mostly dislike it on principle since it sames to be the same game presented differently.
>>321274707
>waiting for an opening means you have to stand and take hits until you see an opening
>>321274542
>don't lock on
>spam attack
this isn't depth in combat, sorry
>>321274707
>but you're not waiting for an attack if you're utilizing your shield, youre blocking. your analogy instantly failed
>>321274793
Here watch this. Give OoT anudda chance man. OP is genuinely retarded, don't listen to him. Its really not a shallow game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duPynkGEFGI
Zelda games don't hold a candle to games like TES and The Witcher. I understand that they're a staple of murrican childhood, but they're really overrated.
>>321260234
Eh, sorta. The controls still feel pretty good even today, which is actually disappointing considering the game is almost 18 years old, and we've apparently not learned anything about how to make games on average control better than Ocarina of Time. The graphics are obviously not going to be even average for today, but that's not necessarily a problem if you've been playing games since the fifth gen or before. The music is still pretty catchy. The difficulty is practically nonexistent unless you're shit at games in general. The AI could obviously better, but so could fucking Skyrim's. Honestly, it's still a fun game, if not a bit empty. A solid 6-7.5/10, which equates to 60%-75%/100%. That's more than 50% by 10-25%. That's still doing pretty good.My personal score for it is still 8-9/10 because I still have so much fun with it, but that's biased.
>>321274816
that's literally what you do in OoT but you have a button to hold so you don't take damage
>>321274471
You are talking to the faggot that bought around 40 PSX as a teen and 90% of the being shitty. I'll be lying if I said if the PSX and N64 era not being being full of bloat, even if love it. And why are to taking the mobile market seriously? It's like bring the Game & Watch into an argument about early video games.
>>321274831
You could also use the hammer and another sub-weapon IIRC. But that doesn't add depth at all because I say so.
>>321274707
>>321274354
>>321274676
still waiting, faggot.
>>321274908
But then you're not waiting for an opening, you're blocking. Your analogy instantly failed.
>>321274542
Hammer!
>>321274980
that doesn't make any sense, you just keep trying to parrot my words back at me without thinking how they apply to the situation at hand, you're also no longer part of this discussion. Goodbye
>>321274908
>>321274980
get fucked lol
>>321275052
>that doesn't make any sense
Neither did your arguments, yet here we are.
>>321275052
>He can't handle getting BTFO so he has to tell people they're not a part of the thread anymore cus he can't stand the idea that he might be the most wrong person to ever be wrong.
This guy is fucking gold.
>>321275052
You said that for my posts
>>321274354
>>321274676
too.
Does that mean you're gonna ignore me and in doing so admit defeat? Because I'll be SSing this for future reference the next time you get uppity.
>>321275293
if you want a response, try making a point
>admit defeat?
this isn't dragonball z friend, it's a discussion on the internet
>>321274883
I've seen it. I've tried playing it twice and lost interest fairly quick both times. A "masterpiece" shouldn't do that to me.
Like I said, maybe I'd enjoy it if I played it when I was younger and had nostalgia on my side, but it's too late. I just didn't care about any of the characters I ran into and I genuinely can't remember any of the story. I wasn't invested in any aspect of it and the gameplay was as basic as I expected.
>>321274935
yea there is bloat but to compare the output of garbage today to the garbage output of the past and still say we had more past garbage is blatantly wrong.
>>321275420
So what the fuck is your point? That the games dozens of items that can all be used effectively against the scores of enemies doesn't mean shit? That all you have to do is mash attack at everything?
What game exists where that isn't true?
>>321275420
I made my points, and you're still ignoring them because you've lost the arguement.
OoT isn't an RPG game, its an Action Adventure game. And its not shallow. Those are my points, and I've proven them.
Not only have I proven my points, I've proven that you haven't refuted or given any meaningful rebuttal to any of them, nor any other points made against your ridiculous claims.
Which means you've lost, on multiple fronts.
>>321274898
This basically. I loved this game got it years ago, and I still do. I just think the game is majorly flawed in a few areas that makes the game one of my least favorite Zelda games to play at all. Not to say the game doesn't the game doesn't have it good parts like it amazing soundtrack, sense of atmosphere, its core gameplay that still holds up, and its overall character. I don't think it is as flawed or as perfect as most of these people in this thread thinks, because it is not inherently bad and not even fucking close to being prefect. I'm just mixed about the game now.
>>321275574
already responded to this, read the thread
>>321275589
>and I've proven them
no you haven't, you started using other peoples posts because I BTFO you too hard
>Which means you've lost
do you seriously think this is an anime or something? grow up
>>321275617
What, that you think its faster to take 10 minutes waiting for all fourty skulltula in the forest temple to turn around than equip the fucking arrows?
>>321275734
most of them are hanging so a single jump attack is enough to kill them
>>321275723
>No you haven't
Staymad.
Both of those posts were mine, fuckhead. YOU got BTFO'd, SUPER hard.
I'm not the one who needs to grow up. You need to mature mentally before you can ever hope to stand a chance of making anyone believe your stupid ass opinion.
>>321275816
>i haven't played the game: the post
What about the myriad of flying enemies? Dodongos? Those chucklefuck electric jellyfish in jabu jabu?
>>321275943
I can't even tell if its OP or if there are other shitters here who haven't played the game.
>>321275847
>YOU got BTFO'd, SUPER hard.
dude calm down
>making anyone believe your stupid ass opinion
wasn't trying to do this, sorry you interpreted it that way
You seem really personally offended by this, we're just talking about a video game.
>>321268106
Literally any ps1 game faggot
>>321276064
Not that guy but
>being a condescending cunt after losing an argument
Literally the worst kind of person.
>>321276064
You're trying to claim one of the greatest videogames ever made is "Shallow" And doing so in the most childish and immature way imagineable. You've done nothing but be salty, backtrack, and ignore people this entire thread and now you're trying to change to subject yet again.
All that matters to me now is that 100 different people saw you get your shit opinion and your even shittier reasons for having it ground into the dirt trying to pass it off as objective fact.
I'm leaving now. I have my screenshots, and I really hope I catch you slipping again so I can post them.
>>321276329
Literally haven't lost an argument though, he's just insisting that I'm wrong and quoting someone elses posts from like an hour ago then throwing out a bunch of insults and talking about my "ultimate defeat" or whatever
>>321276329
Aslo what this guy said.
-The guy thats blew you the fuck out buzzwords buzzwords.
>>321276374
>trying to pass it off as objective fact
didn't do this at any point
>I'm leaving now I've finished being BTFO
okay dokay then, have a good christmas xxx
>>321276406
You really, really did.
>>321276406
>Literally haven't lost an argument though
You're not convincing anyone but yourself.
Hey /v/ Windwaker is the only Zelda I played and enjoyed it how much will I like Oot gameplay wise or is it the same
>>321271951
You mean faggot hipsters like Ootand people who like the series as well
>>321276406
You definitely lost your argument.
Let's see if your fucking witcher 3 can keep up like my good old ocarina, after all these years and people still love it.
>>321276476
>still being a condescending piece of human garbage after getting BTFO again
Pathetic.
>>321276625
>says he's leaving
>sticks around and keeps crying because he has no arguments
lol ok then
>>321276573
Here why don't I argue like you do:
Read the thread.
>>321276520
Wind Waker refined a ton. I still feel WW is the series highpoint for combat. It also took steps back. Like the Wind Waker itself I feel is vastly inferior to the Ocarina and really shouldn't have even been a thing. I'd also say OoT has the better overworld as I hated sailing. Though I'm not overly fond of either, at least OoT's overworld doesn't get in the way of things all that much.
If you like one you should appreciate the other.
>>321276573
When you failed to come up with any rebuttals to refute the points he made against your agruement.
Thats literally losing the arguement.
>>321276721
>completely out of arguments
kek, I guess we're done here then
>>321276692
Not the same guy.
>>321276551
Ganondorf's castle was a fucking masterpiece. That final fight, the music, fuck, GOAT level.
>>321276779
Yeah, we are. You lost. OoT isn't an RPG nor is it shallow.
>>321260623
> fucking rekt
>>321276779
The only person out of arguments here is you retard.
>>321276874
You wanna back that up with some evidence then?
>>321276908
We already did. Go read up on it, fag.
I should really power through OoT again some time. It's been fucking ages. Started replaying it back when OoT3d came out but never got around to finishing it
>>321276964
>We already did
so you have nothing to contribute? we're done here then
>>321277003
>We're done here then.
We've been done. You lost like an hour ago. You just keep saying "We're done here" and "You're no longer in this discussion." to mask your butthurt and salt at getting BTFO.
>>321276908
Right, because fighting those flare dancers, floormasters, spikes, and invisible wallmasters are just mash stab, right?
>>321277130
Still waiting for an argument, if the thread is still up after my shower I'll be glad to read anything that you're able to come up with while I'm away.
>>321277282
There is no arguement anymore. You were wrong about OoT being an RPG and being shallow. And the proof of that is in this thread, you're just ignoring it on purpose.
And the thread wont be up, because nobody gonna sit here and wait for you to come back and say "Oh guess you guys don't have an arguement and I can't read the thread myself so I guess I won."
Again. Just run along now. Tuck your tail between your legs and go. You've lost. Get over it.
>>321276732
cool thanks senpai
as long as if its not completely the same game I should have fun then
>>321276842
That master sword BTFO moment
>>321277413
>You were wrong about OoT being an RPG and being shallow
wanna explain how? I'll read it once I'm out
>>321277508
No. I won't. Because you understand how. If you wanna trace our back-n-forth and get BTFO all over again be my guest.
You lost. Get over it.
>>321277508
haha no you won't
>>321277438
You should have a blast, plus the game has some real swell artwork.
>>321276979
Are you me? I got right up to the Spirit Temple,got stuck despite having beaten it so many times when I was a kid,and stopped playing it. I still need to play the Master Quest.
OP got BTFO so fucking hard btw
>>321277616
Have fun dealing with this chucklefuck.
This post gave me a really good chuckle, ,man. Gotta leave on that note before the cancer returns. Have a good night, dude.
>>321277679
I don't know why I'm having a hard time sticking with it either. I've been playing a bunch of LoZ games recently, 3d and 2d, and it's the only one I just feel like stopping. MM, WW, Minish Cap, ALTTP/ALBW, TP, and the Oracle games. I cleared all of them start to finish and moved on to the next, but not OoT
>>321264037
>the fact that this mechanic isn't implemented is what makes it a shallow experience
>EXP makes a game deep
What the fuck is this? EXP often works against depth because it encourages grinding to the point where you're so powerful you can just steamroll everything. Depth is not defined by how many fucking numbers are onscreen but the decision making the player partakes in.
I'm not even advocating OOT here, I'm just saying that your definition of both RPGs and depth is retarded.who has that recent video on deep games
Do any zelda games have much in the way of story? I find it difficult to finish a game of its just endless dungeons without much plot.
>>321277969
I've been doing this lately, it's weird.
I was playing OoS and got pretty damn far, then stopped. Played MM for the first time, got RIGHT up to the final dungeon, then just stopped, etc. Idk why man.
I think I'm going to pick up OoS right where I left off, if not just starting over as soon as I'm finished with ALBW again, finish OoT, do the Master Quest, then run through OoA, the Minish Cap, and then get to MM, then MM3D if I can get the chance.
Maybe I should finish my Hero Mode playthrough of SS as well, which I only really started to get a feel for the mode.
>>321269202
>That's hardly adding depth to the story, it's a small detail in the gameworld. Doesn't stop the story from being a very basic "hero on a quest to save the world" storyline.
>story = plot
This is why we get so much cinematic garbage these days.
>>321278150
Depends entirely on the game, but generally, the 3D games with Aonuma's involvement have a much greater focus on story than the 2D games. The 3D games also seem to have more and more story as they go on, but the next one will probably cut back on story, if ALBW is any indication.
>>321277582
>no argument
>still going with the old "I've already won pshhh nothin personell"
I was hoping you'd have actually come up with something
>No romancing
>No gay relationships
>Link can only be white
It's like hitler has risen again 0/10.
>>321272298
>Song of Storms to rust its armor
SAY WHAT NOW
>>321278004
I disagree, I think that with EXP comes classes and with classes comes decisions on which stats you need to favour in order to get the build you want. It adds depth in a way that wouldn't be possible without it.
>who has that recent video on deep games
I'd be interested to see this
>>321278507
From what another anon said I think that only applies to Majora's Mask. Either way I'd like to know myself.
>>321260623
Thread should have ended here.
>>321278386
haha i was right
>>321277616
>>321278508
Classes don't necessarily have to depend on EXP systems, they can just be different "styles" I guess, like say DMC3/4. EXP systems are worse when they're just tacked onto something for objectively better damage output or guns like COD.
Also I may be wrong about the video, I'm pretty sure it was more about using kinda simple games to clarify what depth means than looking at the deepest games out there.
>>321278802
True, EXP can be frivolously added to game and ruin an otherwise good balance. I think OoT would've benefitted adding a class system rather than just "collect x number of items to increase your health or mana". The fact that you can increase these two stats but only through monotonous item collection isn't a good mechanicin my opinion
>>321278781
>20 posts later and still no argument
consider yourself BTFO my friend :)
>>321279040
OOT has a way to go in terms of combat and depth, but I still disagree with your consensus that it's a bad game.
I think the real steps need to be taken in more aggressive enemy behaviour with more moves and the ability to combine items in combat more often.
>>321264992
>find an amazing masterwork of a longsword
>ask the owner how much it's worth
>he tells you it would cost millions
>"Why? I can bat anyone wielding it with my pistol."
This is literally you.
>>321279224
>he thinks I'm the same dude
looks like you haven't read the thread. exactly as i predicted
>>321260234
Agreed
>>321260234
wish i could agree, but by today's standards it would be a low quality gem within a hoard of brown shit crystals
>>321264037
>True, he's undertaking a quest to save the world in a fantasy setting which is a characteristic of an RPG.
I guess Banjo-Kazooie is a fucking RPG you mongoloid.
>>321278498
I dunno' the gorons in OoT seemed pretty gay to me
>>321262189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6nJysVtCrM
