So Wow is only 17 bucks . If you buy the 5 dollar base game and the 12 dollar expansion on sale. You get a free month and a level 90. Pretty good deal haven't played wow in 7 years but it's actually fun.
Go buy wow /v/, anybody else still play?
>Neo-WoW
I'd rather kill myself than play it for free
>>321213563
But it's honestly fun
>>321213426
It's not about the money, but about WoW not being worth of my time.
I still play because I'm a big fucking drone for Blizzshit.
I would, but talent trees are gone & I'm not 13 years old taking ambien getting high and eating frozen boston market dinners while tanking molten core. It was the combination of the vices that was fun, not wow
>>321215767
>Weebs
>Better than anything
Keep grinding those tomes goyim.
>>321215948
I will nerd.
Enjoy your ded thread and your ded game.
>>321216401
Is that the pot calling the kettle black right there?
>>321215767
>WoW thread
>6 posts in
>FFXIV-fag mentions his terrible clone of an already pretty terrible game
It's like WoW for slow weaaboos, fuck off.
I wouldn't even play this game if they GAVE me 17 dollar for it. Working is more fun than that piece of shit game and I get 30$ an hour for doing that.
>>321215767
>plastic skin
>zero player customization
>guaranteed shill in every wow thread for some reason
stop acting like any MMO is worth playing, anon
>>321213426
>Pretty good deal
Wrong
>>321214007
but it's honestly not
>>321215767
I'd rather suduku myself than play a pay2erp game full of cringeworthy waboos.
As some who's been playing since Vanilla, right now is an awful time to start or come back. WoD is the biggest pile of shit Blizzard has ever squeezed between their giant cheeks. Just wait for Legion and see if people hate it or not.
>>321217342
>FFXIV continues to grow
Any facts to back that up?
>>321217508
Only unofficial numbers and speculation, though we do know that Heavensward brought in a million new players in the first month.
It's obviously on the rise though. Just look at all the attention it gets on /v/.
>>321217508
Nothing official released. SE did say that Heavensward did way above expected and they've already confirmed that there will be a 4.0.
>>321217730
>Just look at all the attention it gets on /v/
It has very much less attention than it did the first months HS was released. Also how many of those millions actually stuck around when that almost half a year of content drought happened and all people had were extreme alexander runs.
I wanted to resub, but I asked for a free week first.
Thank god I did that, the game is beyond saving now.
>>321218095
The game still gets 500+ reply threads at least 5 times a week.
It only stops getting those huge number when mods crack down on for being a general. I think that's just one mods decision though because that hasn't happened in weeks.
>Half year content drought.
It was 4minths and 1 week from the launch of HW to 3.1. That's a 1/3 of a year "drought" if you did no Alexander extreme at all.
I don't play this game at all but even then I'm not a big enough cuck for WoW to lie about the competition like this.
>>321217342
WoW going to free 2 play would be great. I like FFXIV too but lately it seems they've been trying to give the game out like candy. From the Square Enix 2015 surprise box to the Humble Bundle it just seems that they are desperately looking for subs. If I recall correctly this happened to Wildstar as well but then that went F2P, although I doubt any of the mmo FFs will go F2P since "muh Yamato damashii" and their never give up ideals attitude.
>>321218685
That's just the base game though.
Giving out the base game is practically a marketing tactic for these types of games.
WoW goes down to $.99 multiple times a year, doesn't mean they're fishing for subs, just giving new players a chance to give them money.
WORLD SHILLERY
>>321218545
If I ask the general if this post is accurate will they agree or will they all say Yoshi is a lying hack?
>>321213426
I'd love to play wow again. However with year + gaps with no content they can go fuck themselves.
>monthly sub
>tab targeting
>outdated graphics
Sorry, but I don't like eating shit.
Reminder that this is the current WoW playerbase
read every comment so far; you're all massive faggots
>>321219623
>If I ask the general
If you ask the general anything they'll just tell you to show your feet.
You can ask them anyway though. Everything I stated is true and easily verifiable.
>>321220014
this has been the WoW playerbase since WotLK
>>321214561
this gets me every time
>the look on that dwarf's face
>>321214561
>No one here gets out alive!
Why play MMOs?
I can only guess character progression, but there has to be some other aspect of these that people enjoy. It can't be the social part of it, because you can get those from literally any other multiplayer game. Games that you ALSO don't have to invest so much time into.
>>321220701
There's a difference between guild bros and russians in CS:GO.
>>321220701
MMOs provide a different kind of social experience then most other online multiplayer games
one that's not entirely competitive
>>321220701
>you get that from literally any other mutiplayer game
not at all close.
>>321220701
>It can't be the social part of it, because you can get those from literally any other multiplayer game
If you can't tell the difference between the social functions in Call of Duty and WoW you're beyond hope
>>321220701
Why play any RPG? Just for the character progression and story?
I get those from MMOs but I also get a social experience as well. I also feel it better defines what the protagonist is because you feel more attached to your character when it's the only one that you can control.
WoWcucks get fucked. XIV or bust.
>>321220920
thats false, every fuckign MMO thats out currently lets you circumvent social interaction pretty much all together, just que up for shit and play the game
>people still play WoW
Absolutely wow
The game has long been lost since wotlk came out, it's not the same game as it was long time ago. Now it's just another Blizza-I mean Activision cash cow being milked for all it's got.
It's not even beating a dead corpse, it's just hitting the dusty bones that was WoW.
The community is dead, dungeons/raids are dead, any form of achievement/progress is just watered down for the masses so that everyone can enjoy it, whether they play it alot or not at all.
Absolute disgusting, just leave it to die.
>>321218685
WoW is basically free to play already. I make like 80k a month without farming, crafting, or playing the AH. Tokens only cost 36k.
>>321221548
It's like people who still play TF2, it's fucking sad. Let it go. Move on with your life.
>>321221485
>(You)
>>321221880
BUT HATS/ILLIDAN THO??
>>321220254
>Waaaah, you actually have to play the game
WoWfags are really something else
>>321221548
Wotlk was truly the where it all went to shit. The streamlining of stats,the easy as fuck 5 man, the infinite mana healers had, the boring a sshit factions, and waiting 18motnhs for ICC to come out.
I cringe everytime I read the words
>bring the player not the class
We all knew it was code for "we're shit at balance so we'll make everyone the same'
Never understood why they changed so much when everyone, even casuals, had something to do and love in BC.
>>321222128
Activision saw that Burning Crusade was the only 'successful' expansion in terms of living up to expectations.
So they took the mascot of BC aka Illidan and put him into the next expansion to try and 'convince' old players to replay again.
What the people at Acti-Blizzard don't realize is that just putting Illidan into the next expansion doesn't mean squat in terms of trying to revive their shit game.
It's like an old political candidate trying to be 'in' with the young people by doing stuff they'd do but the young people see through that shit and further stay away from that candidate.
Absolutely pitiful.
>always stayed sub since vanilla and bc
>now I just play the first 3 months and another month when the final patch for the expansion hits
I only subbed for pandaria and left a month in to draenor. Orcs are boring. Demons are boring too. Blizz should come up with new enemies again instead of recycling shit
>>321222450
So what you're saying is that Legion is Jeb Bush in a hoody?
That's quite the cuckparison.
>>321213426
I play Warmane formally known as Molten.
>>321222450
I'm putting my money that this year is going to be the year Blizzard hits junk status. They blew their reputation with D3 and WoD, Overwatch is a guaranteed flop because no FPS player is going to take that shallow garbage seriously when much better alternatives exist, nobody is going to return for Legion after WoD, and Blizzard has nothing else now.
They've been on a downward trend since WoD, and the only thing keeping them alive is Hearthstone which I know will implode as soon as the mobile market finds a better virtual card game.
>>321222898
I hate that people hated MoP just because of the pandas, since there was also the Mogu and Mantid, good inclusions to for an expansion. But then, I never saw that Kung Fu Panda's were really that bad, except Taren Zhu. Seriously, fuck that guy.
Raiding is at its best, but the lack of content in general kind of ruins that. Legion is looking to be the best expansion if they keep everything. Playing a little XIV till then, but XIV patches are so tiny.
>>321213426
>Go buy wow /v/
Shilling is real. Sage.
>>321224910
countersage
umadbrah tbqh
>>321224774
>Raiding is at its best
Dude, what? All of the raids in WoD have been shit except BRF.
>>321225453
but dude
RAID MECHANICS
LMAO
>>321224774
>raiding at its best
>when we had Ulduar
>legion best expansion
b8
>>321225556
>Caring about nerd shit like theme and lore over mechanics
>>321225560
The only good raid was OG Naxx, the rest are shit tier
I just got done playing Ashran. It's pretty fun, for an hour or so. But the homogenized reward system is really, really dumb. I hate it and I've hated it since it was introduced.
I have about 2 days /played at 100 and its honestly not bad. It's better than max level in Cataclysm at least. It's not quite Mists of Pandaria 5.3 levels of zaniness, but its quite fun. I find there is enough to do for 3-4 hours a day.
I haven't been into organized raiding since BC so I can't speak to that aspect of the game, but the pvp is fun, and right now I'm having a blast camping the Alliance in Alterac by surrounding the stolen presents by the Greench cave.
>>321226019
Ashran isnt fun for one minute, and even if it was fun for an hour thats a complete fucking failure
>>321226136
Well, I've killed the leader 4 times and completed about 20 events, and while sometimes it can be boring to die, res at the gy, run back to the event/flag and die again, I have had some great back and forth battles where we really struggled to fight off the alliance which made getting that event more satisfying. I can see why some people might hate it though.
Speaking of epic battles, I played a game of AV a few weeks where people actually fought in the field of strife for like 20 minutes. It was totally nuts, and its the exact reason I wanted to play WoW in the first place.
>>321226432
>zerging events and then standing in mid
>fun
your taste is disgusting.
>>321222279
Do you real want to see paladins gimped again as in only even in the group to buff?
>>321227783
where did he say that paladins should be only able to play buffbots?
Were shamans only there to hit bloodlust back when only they had it? No, they still were there to heal, but they brought something unique to the group
thats how all classes need to feel.
Why did they pick the most boring as fuck specs to be available first in the alpha?
I tried it for the first time when they ran a similar deal for Pandaria; I went Dwarf Warlock and didn't even make it out of the starting zone. I think one of the last things I did was fly around in a helicopter dropping bombs on an invading army, then excitedly reaching a huge capital under the mountain thinking I'd finally be experiencing a well populated city with weird mounts and people flying around everywhere.
Only cool thing I noticed was a skeleton inside of a pipe the taxi flew over, I love when devs sneak assets in spots like that. According to my friend the dwarf starting zone hasn't been updated in ages but if the first 80 levels are meant to be spent questing endlessly in low populated areas, it's not for me.
>>321229372
Well anon it sounds like MMOs arent for you. How in the world would you expect to keep lowbie zones perpetually populated? Endgame will always be the main body of MMOs.
>>321229372
Dwarf Shaman* whoops
>>321228354
not him, but, in fact, yes, sometimes Shamans were only there to hit BL, because it was a godly buff and only they had it
no class had something like it so you basically wanted a shaman, Alliance players in classic were jelly
>>321229372
try playing on the Nostalrius private vanilla server
there's a bit more going on in the cities on early zones than in retail WoW
>>321217342
LOL THATS WRONG BUD
Heavensward post alex savage is a mess, and thats almost unanimously accepted. Everyone i know that isnt a faggot erper is leaving.
Heavensward killed the raiding, and the relic quest was the final nail in the coffin of another shit mmorpg.
Just started playing WoW for my first time. Never played it when Vanilla was released a while ago since I was playing that Final Fantasy MMO at the time. I saw countless friends get hooked to WoW so I stayed away from it for that reason.
Anyways cut back to the time now and did see WoW for 5 bucks and the new expasion WoD for like 12. I picked it up..
So far, /v/ has always bashed on the game being too mainstream. /v/ you're so fucking wrong it hurts my brain. This game is fucking incredible. The quests, so many fucking delicious quests. And the community is actually been so nice. I always ask for help and some bro or broess will actually help me out.
/v/, I will never fucking listen to you. WoW is a masterpiece.
>>321229605
Oh I totally understand, I've tried more than a few similar Korean MMOs and it's just me at this point. I also played Runescape and had a blast with that, but it makes sense since most quests had me running through some of the bigger cities to visit objectives. That and popping into banks with over 50 people shouting about trades every once in a while gave me that illusion of company.
>>321220701
I play Guild Wars 2, because I can get mega baked and explore this big world with other people.
You also get to build on a character and watch them get stronger. Much easier than lifting weights every once in a while and seeing incremental results.
>>321230085
is this copypasta?
I hope it is copypasta
>>321220701
I play MMO's for the social aspect and the *readjust eye glasses*roleplayingaspects of it. I feel like the social parts of MMO are more encouraged than other games though, you know what I mean? Sure, you can get a social aspect from somewhere else but the game encourages you to play your alter-ego. That's just me though.
>>321229701
Bloodlust wasnt around in vanilla you fucking moron
>>321230270
Not copypasta bro. All real. If you're looking for a counter argument as to WoW is not good.. Please let me know of another better MMO with more subs than WoW.
>>321230581
>subs are an indication of quality
nah, nice try blizzdrone.
>>321230270
It's a copy pasta.
No one actually thinks that.
>>321230085
wow is bretty fun
its a mindless fun, but i play with friends and its fun fuck /v/ hivemind contrarian
>>321230765
>>321230776
*shrugs*
I'm having fun in WoW. Is it such a crime to have fun?
>>321230981
no but taste this horrible should be
>>321230976
nice try Metzen, but even with friends you need actual content to play
>>321231123
>actual content
what do you mean? me and my friends have played literally the last 10 hours solid and im only have a level 93 and a level 25. There is a fuck ton of content for a month or two of play.
we paid literally 17 dollars.
>>321231329
>leveling
>lasting a month
lol Metzen pls
>Go buy wow /v/
why is this blatant shill thread still up
Yeah started playing again since I played in WoD launch.
>tfw playing as a sub rogue trying to gear and gain gold
Game is still immensely fun.
>>321231753
because you are still resisting goy
>>321231832
>those binds (or lack of)
sasuga modern wow players
>>321231941
Oh yeah I am really bad, but its still great fun
>>321231613
fuck off randy
>>321232032
of course shitters like you who spend 4 years to clear last tier think its fun
>>321232102
:^)
OK
I've never played wow before. Give me some tips
>>321232285
dont play it
>>321214007
no its not bond, you jsut think its fun b.c you started playing it after a 7 year hiatus yea its gunna seem a little fun. but its not fun. wod was so bad wow dropped past 5.5 million subs and blizzard has stopped giving subscriber numbers.
>>321213426
>attemp to gear up
>mfw pvp gear better than mythic dungeon gear
>mfw barely get accepted in mythic dungeons
>mfw trying to get into mythic raid
I thought I just grew out of MMOs after BC but it's not me who changed, modern WoW is the problem. Having a blast playing on Nost and absolutly loving the growing MMO-addiction I missed so many years.
>>321232667
>710 is better than 735
uh what?
>>321232741
All the mythic dungeons drop 685.
Got over 10 items and I never got an item over 700.
gay story time
>Stopped playing wow after Cata
>about two years later, I find myself with a roommate who is hopelessly addicted to WoW.
>so addicted that he wanted to get a secondary internet connection in the house as other people using it was costing him precious ms in arena
>so addicted that if other roomies were drinking and bullshitting, he'd come down to grab a drink and then go straight back up to his room to continue without a hint of self awareness
>so addicted that the moment he came home from work he'd start playing until 2AM
>so addicted that he was living rent free with his parents but as they wouldn't get internet out on their farm, he'd rather pay 1k in rent just to have access to a connection
>so addicted he permanently smelled like onions
and in a way I knew exactly what he was going through and the rush he felt every time he logged in. The game knows how to sink it's claws into someone and even though it is bastardized in my view, it clearly still attracts people.
>>321232701
It changed, but not negatively. You're living in the past.
>>321231613
Go fuck yourself Randy
>you will never be Asmongold.
why live
>>321232871
mythic dungeons can drop up to 725 and can be upgraded with valor plus the 715 heirloom trinkets
>>321232954
If the past if more fun than retail I'm fine with it. I just want to have fun while playing and I haven't had any in retail since mid wotlk.
>>321233248
Tell me of these dungeons, these cant be WoD's dungeons.
The most I can get from WoD dungeons is a 695 2/2
>>321233008
Asmongold is the least cancerous "wow youtuber". Literally every other one of these assholes started sucking Blizzard dick for Legion again after WoD despite it looking like it's going to be even more of a blunder.
>>321233420
But hes doing that too. Anyone who says "Cautiously optimistic" actually is saying "I have already preordered or plan to no matter what." Plus he had nothing but praise for the welfare legendaries. Instead of saying, "Isnt this a little much and too powerful in a raid to balance around?" he was going "WUUUUOAH EPIC EPIC SICKNASTY I NEED ME THOSE."
>>321233378
any of the dungeons from WoD can drop 725, but its very rare. You can find 685, 690, 695, 700, etc. up to 725 and then another 10 levels with valor
>>321232543
why not this isn't my first mmo and I'm not 12
just wanna see how the game is comparatively to other MMORPGs
also I have no interest in raiding with a guild that shit is busy work,it used to cool back in early 00s I guess when it was a novelty for most people
>>321233784
Because the game offers very little if you arent into raiding.
>>321233650
That's why I said least cancerous and not "not cancerous at all". He's still a shilling bitch and sucks Blizzard cock for a living but at least he isn't that obnoxious about it like Preach. God I hate this steaming piece of shit.
>>321233761
Cool, now only if I could get accepted often ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DROP!
>>321233784
>not wanting to raid
kill yourself,
>>321220214
It has been the WoW playerbase since Vanilla.
>>321234072
Dont play DPS then?
There are tons of 730+ dps queueing for valor, but not enough healers or tanks
>>321233920
It offers plenty, especially to a new player.
>>321234243
>bland questing
>bland dungeons
>empty world
>garrison
sorry I must have missed something...care to tell me what?
>>321234243
No, it really doesn't. Nobody who isn't used to neo-WOW is sticking to it. They all drop it after a few weeks.
It's just not a good game anymore.
>>321234219
>dont play DPS
Its the only thing I enjoy that dosnt feel like a chore playing.
best way to farm gold, don;t say garrisons because that's a lie they nurfed it to nothing
>>321234481
>wahh I dont want to think and try to beat a dungeon and play a not faceroll spec
then no group for you
>>321234537
I logged on today and collected 8k from garrisons. thats still plenty for doing NOTHING at all
>>321234537
farm heart of fear with a potion of luck 10k gold per hour :^)
>WoW
>can pay to level to max
It really speaks volumes about the game's quality when you can pay to skip playing the game.
>>321234825
You can pay for everything in WoW now, it's a damn shame. Want to get to level 100? Buy a boost in the store. Want to get all the latest raid gear? Buy a boost. Want to get all the latest pvp gear? Buy a boost.
It's disgusting.
>>321234624
>try to gear a specific role
>"nah bro, gear up another role. Just abandon your current one"
Youre a well of knowledge and guidence anon
People still play ActiBlizzard garbage?
>>321235120
>being so bad that you dont know about loot specialization
you dont deserve to be invited
>>321235023
>Want to get all the latest raid gear? Buy a boost. Want to get all the latest pvp gear? Buy a boost.
To level 100? Sure. But please explain how to buy Elite Conquest gear and mythic Hellfire Citadel gear + the legendary ring with these magical "boosts" of yours.
Go on, I'll wait.
>>321235258
>elite conqeust gear
just a cosmetic difference
>mythic gear
sell token(s) and buy a carry
>>321235258
guilds sell these boost for like 60 bucks m8 and no idea how much glad carries are going for, but that happens too
>>321235218
>loot specilization
>related to current topic at all
also
>being this salty about preferences
Even as a NEET I don't have time for WoW. I also hate all the achievement and completionist filler. I don't even see how teenagers could get into WoW these days with so many other better games to play.
>>321235363
>>321235398
Neither of these are part of an in-game system i.e. "boosts". Carries have been sold with gold and/or real money for years before WoD.
Please explain how Blizzard is selling gear, PVP or PVE, for real money as your post implies.
>>321235491
>being THIS out of the loop
you change your loot specialization and you can recieve loot regardless of what spec you are playing retard. I geared Brewmaster while playing mistweaver, so saying that you have to give up gearing that role is retarded as fuck
>>321235602
I don't think teenagers give a crap about wow it's all about minecraft and watching people play video games for you
>>321213426
FFXIV Exist why would you do this to yourself?
>>321235918
>carries have always been sold with gold
and gold had to be earned in game
>or real money
which was against the rules and not supported by Blizzard
>>321235398
Yeah and you can send money to someone's paypal and he'll boost you to all the content.
Clearly WoW's fault for allowing that without thought screening you when you made an account.
>>321235918
I Seriously pity the faggots who actually paid to get carried and weren't permitted to loot.
>>321236197
One way or the other if you wanted a carry you bought it in the past too, this is just you making a fuss about it.
It's already a shit game as is no need to go all in splitting hairs.
>>321236834
but now its possible to legally buy carriers for real money
thats the fucking issue
>>321236587
thats what they get for buying carriers.
>>321236870
But not allowing it has the same weight of companies using cd keys to avoid piracy.
I can agree that's rather distasteful but this kind of things can't really be stopped efficiently.
>>321237143
No, because with the token system Blizzard is profiting off of people trying to buy carries
>>321215767
Fuck you weeaboo. WoW is fucking garbage today, no positive comments should be allowed and real discussion about why it's bad often takes place but people get bored.
>>321237256
Yeah but the point isn't that blizzard are being jews but that one way or the other people always found a way to get their carry thrugh content.
>>321223451
I would be ready for it because of how garbage their games are recently but it would never happen, they appease to what I can only call "casuals", so they will keep making money.
>>321236156
Not him, but FFXIV is shit right now.
It's like their game design is right outta 2003.It makes me sad, 14 was so promising
Is WoW worth playing just for the leveling experience/there being 10 years worth of content? I'm not interested in hitting the level cap and grinding and paying subscription for eternity, but surely there's enough fun in the game after 10 fucking years to make it worth playing?
>>321213426
>only 17 bucks
>have to play a recurring sub fee of $150/yr
No thanks
>>321238652
The "MMO feel" and community doesn't exist anymore. I don't know if the game fares very well without it.
>>321213426
Everyone likes their own kind of game. For their own reasons.
>>321238652
The leveling grind is the worst part of the game. None of your non-combat skills really integrate unless you grind them heavily.
Every single quest is "kill 10 x", and they usually lump it together with "collect 5 y along the way" and sometimes "escort this retarded npc you don't care about".
Learning new abilities and picking up new rotations/cooldowns is okay, but your mind will be numb after the 20th consecutive quest in a day.
>>321214007
Only if you play it for the first time with your friends.
Thank god we have Nostalrious to preserve the good memory of WoW.
>>321221880
TF2 is free and I can causally play. I sorry I'm not autistic enough to pay for the same game in a different skin
>>321238652
Well the original Vanilla 1-60 grind was replaced with a whole new one in Cataclysm.
Burning Crusade: 61-70 is really good, but this is me remembering it when Burning Crusade was the latest Xpac.
Even still the zones in BC are probably the best set of leveling zones IMO
Wrath of the Lich King: 71-80 is also really good just below BC for me all around good atmosphere.
Especially Grizzly Hills, Howling Fjord and Icecrown Glacier.
Cataclysm: 81-85 Had some good leveling zones mainly Uldum, The big attraction for this Xpac in leveling was the rework of the original 1-60 grind as mentioned above.
Mists of Pandaria: 86-90 Most of the zones felt really forgettable to me with the exception of the Jade Forest.
Warlords of Draenor: 90-100 Besides the starting zones for Horde and Alliance the leveling zones in WoD felt really shallow for the most part.
I got to level cap raided and honestly I can't really remember much of the zones outside of hunting elites for slightly different gear to optimize stats.
Fuck you Blizz for fucking up early gearing in WoD so much.
But anon, I still play.
>>321239479
Tribes: Ascend is F2P too :^)
>finally get playable goblins
>its when the game is a shitty husk
>finally get demon hunters
>its when the game is a shitty husk
I was impressed by the changes they made since WOTLK. But then, I got extremely bored. There is no challenge. The game is far far far too easy. I tried Deadmines as a Healer. Before I could even get my quests for the dungeon, the tank already killed the first boss and was running for the second one.
ALONE. At level 17.
I played BC and WOTLK. Deadmine was about 1 hour or 1 hour 45 for a new group.
It took 10 minutes.
10 Minutes for Deadmines.
And that was like this for EVERY dungeons.
Uldaman, Scarlet, even fucking Lower BRM
People were just rushing through the dungeons like it was a starting zone.
I played 2 weeks, and the most fun I had was collecting Pokemons/Pets. I left in the start of BC.
I would recommend Wildstar or Nostalrius or even Guild Wars 2 over WoW anyday.
I resubbed In late july, after taking a break since patch 4.1.
Im now fully heroic and leading my own 13/13 heroic raiding guild where I sell carries for gold. I gotta say, the game is extemely easy until mythic then it just become slightly difficult.
Theres really nothing left for me to do besides the weekly mount runs, but that even gets annoying.
Heres another thing that I have noticed though, blizzard is trying to appeal to an audience that doesnt play their games. They want new players but in this xpac I have yet to see a new player, just alts that think they know everything. Blizzard does need to get back to their roots.
>>321239482
What was wrong with early gearing in WoD? It was probably the one I've enjoyed the most.
I also hit mythics and got 4/7 on the first week it was out so if you bullshit me I'll know
>>321213426
So I buy this, jump to level 90, and use their bad version Star Trek Online's duty officer system to get gold and buy months of subtime right?
>>321239545
The only people who have a reason to be subscribed are those in 13/13 M guilds on top 10 progression servers.
As a player who caps out in Heroic and doesn't aspire for Mythic, I have no reason to keep playing this game.
>>321239770
What? WOTLK was pretty good. You could not fly until the end game, and the music and areas were great. A new class was added, and the atmosphere was great.
>>321240015
This.
>>321240664
>no comment about the actual endgame
so it was good for all of 6 hours? Never mind that questing was easy.
>>321240664
goblins werent introduced in wrath you dipshit
>>321240857
>end game
Who gives a shit? There hasn't been an "endgame" ever since LFR gave you access to every single raid. Nobody gives a rats ass about Heroic or Mythic or Legendary or any of those other faggy Halo titles, its literally just giving the existed enemies more health and damage so you literally can't do it unless you have arbitrarily bigger numbers too. Shit like The Eye or C'thun was difficult because there wasn't any baby tier LFR version where you got baby tier version of the encounters, you either did the raid or you didn't.
>>321240842
Oh god, not this graphic again.
>>321240876
But he said "When the game is a husk" for demon hunters.
We dont know the content of Legion, so he was talking about Warlords.
So this mean that Goblins were introduced in a husk because of WOTLK. Which it was not. WOTLK was the peak of WoW.
>>321240089
Things like the legendary quest lines and the draenor flying meta are extremely daunting to new players who aren't invested in their character and account much because it takes 2 days to get to level 100 is one of the main reasons, I think, as to why new players are rare
Man I wish I had an updated version
>>321221785
you americans and your cheap tokens, at eu its 63k, i farm about 300k a month without trouble, if i was at us i would almost buy a whole year of sub for 1 months game time
>>321240876 (you)
>>321241205
Wrath was shit though
the sub numbers were high but the game was a husk from LFG and split difficulties
what class do i play inrift
>>321241861
What? It was great. The beginning of achievements with really hard achievements making people revisit old content. Traveling felt great, the content and the quests were varied. It was really fun.
>>321241205
>We dont know the content of Legion, so he was talking about Warlords.
We do know the content of Legion, because it's been a downward trend since WotLK. Don't fucking pretend there's any redemption happening.
>>321241978
>achievements
casual, return to thy faggot realm
>>321241939
Depend. I usually go healer.
So depend on what you want to do. If you want to Heal you can do Mage, Rogue, Warrior or Priest.
If you want to Tank you can do Mage Rogue Warrior or Priest
If you want to DPS, you can do Mage Rogue Warrior or Priest
Crowd Control is also great for Mage, Rogues, Warrior or Priests.
>>321241978
>achievements
this isnt xbox, achievements are gay as shit
>revisiting old content
>hard
nope
>traveling felt great
nope, everybody sat in Dalaran and helicoptered to their exact quest
>content was varied
not really
>quests were varied
not really
>>321242075
>achievements not being great
Loremaster was so fucking cool. I leveled a character, and did every single zone and quests.
Also, really ? Casual? We are talking about WoW. It's a casual game from Vanilla.
>>321242184
>Loremaster was so fucking cool
please end yourself
>>321242143
>>321242075
wtf are you on about? Why is more content(achievments) which make the game a little more fun to play(some raid achievs are fun as fuck) casual and bad? /v/ never changes
>>321242090
ik, but i always play some form of melee spellblade or dark knight kinda character, and all forms of the former seem kinda lame and generic and the later got reworked into a fucking ranged dps.
>muh avatar the last airbender
>muh stormblade/stormhammer
>>321242370
>achievements
>content
I want wrathbabies to go and stay go
>>321213426
Oh, I would be playing World of Warcraft...If they didn't fuck up by forcing Cross-realms and instant dungeon look up for everyone.
I love my socialization, and they totally shit on that for Cataclysm. The only thing that kept me going for a while, it's was Moonguard, and even then the world felt so fucking shitty.
>>321242143
>grinding to gain friendly with pirates
>easy
>Farming Dire Maul for the reputation and the Orb of Disguise
>>321242370
>more content(achievments)
>achievements
>content
It's time to stop posting.
>>321242549
You can get friendly with Bloodsails in like three hours, stop being a faggot. Nobody likes modern Blizzard, not even their own forums.
>>321240171
Running the same instance 20 times trying to get the version of the cloth chest with multistrike to optimize frost mage.
My guild at the time was having problems with the heroic bosses in Highmaul, and we were rotating people like crazy. I was fighting for my raid spot and couldn't catch a break.
It didn't help that I couldn't get a weapon that wasn't shit.
Also I don't know how it was for other classes, but for Mage the change to secondary stats made it even more important to have specific secondary stats.
>>321242549
Bloodsail WAS easy, and the Diremaul Rep was just time consuming, you still 1 shot everything
I get the feeling the people who hate wow are the ones who make shit characters with names like DEATHRAYPEWPEW. I find wow to be a really good rpg because its so easy to RP different characters because neither the horde or the alliance are necessarily good or evil
>>321242639
>3 hours
What
It took me like 6 hours of farming to get friendly with them. And that's only one step for the hardest achievement requiring you to get all the hard reputation in the game
>>321242661
Depend on what you call easy. WoW is a easy game. Difficulty fall in Time consumption
Bloodsail was hard to do because only a small beach with slow respawning mobs could give you the reputation.
>>321242551
>>321242486
oh wait, so achievements arent content? what are achievs then? You'd rather have nothing than some extra feature you dont really have to do if you dont want too.
>>321242486
Dude. Vanilla WoW was easy as fuck. Go play Nostalrius and show me how it's hard. It's just slower than WOTLK
>>321242490
Nothing is stopping you from socializing still. You may be saying, "Well who would wanna make a manual party now that they have this built in system?" In which case I will retort "Do you even want to play with those people knowing they prefer that easy, antisocial method?"
Think about it. There has to be quite a few people out there like you. If not, don't play.
>>321242551
>>321242486
>extra challenges that unlocked mounts and special cosmetics
>not content
Sure bra. Sure.
>>321242890
they are little rewards to keep the skinner box running and make scrubs repeat activities that dont actually progress their character or change at all
>>321242958
>pull multiple mobs at level
>die
yea not harder at all
>>321242890
>oh wait, so achievements arent content? what are achievs then?
little merit badges that say you did content
the achievements are not content themselves, dipshit
>>321243157
ofc they are content themselves fucktard, you're the one twisting the meaning of the word content, if developers took time to code it and add it to the game, its fucking content
>>321242652
I agree with you kinda, there has always been a best stat for certain classes but in WOD they took it to a stupid level.
Right now on my dk i'm gear capped except for my trinket, and that because my best in slot trinket is in a previous tier of content because blizzard is fucking idiotic and wont fix our class trinket. No one on my server wants to go and do mythic BRF let alone Iron Maidens one of the most annoying fucking bosses to ever exist not because of the mechanics but because of idiotic people and Operator Thogar.
I think there's other classes that are getting fucked by Blizzard but its hard to keep up with every single class.
>>321243156
It's not harder. It's slower. Having to pull one mob, kill it and go for the other is slow. And that's not even true. Even my level 11 priest can deal with two 11 mobs.
Did Paladin have the retribution stuff that made them farm machines? I cant remember if it's BC or Vanilla.
>>321243273
You literally don't know what content is. No wonder you play this shitty game.
A dungeon is content. Stapling seven achievements on top of it for banal garbage like "killed 10 dragonfuckers in a span of ten seconds" is not content.
>>321243157
Achievements make people do stuff they would not do. By putting an apple they make you do stuff like Heroics or challenges like "Finish this under 30 minutes!"
It's fun, and it's content.
Nobody is saying achievements and pet battles aren't content. People are arguing that the vast majority of the population have no long term interest in them as content because for the most part they aren't very entertaining or are trivial.
>>321243382
you go slowly because its hard retard
and not every class can spam heals like that.
>>321243401
ok so you'd rather have nothing than something, done talking to you, i'd be more lucky talking to a retarded ape
>>321243580
>do this boss again but wait 5 minutes for no fucking reason
>something
nah.
>>321243479
No. Vanilla is not hard. There is no skill involved between you dying or not. You just have to be careful to not pull to many mobs. And most of the time it's due to luck.
Dungeons are not hard, raids are not hard.
That's not what hard is.
>>321243470
>Nobody is saying achievements and pet battles aren't content.
Neither of those are content.
One is RPGMaker-quality shit you could fully develop in an afternoon (and they probably did, since pet models already existed in the game and have no animations) and another is the equivalent of a pat on the head for doing content you would have done anyway.
Neither of those are content.
>>321243580
Bye normalfag, enjoy your dying Skinner's Box. I'm still astonished you can even say achievements count as content, how much shit do you need to consume regularly to really believe that?
>>321243660
But the vast majority of achievements are things you would not have normally done as the average player.
>>321243382
>It's not harder. It's slower. Having to pull one mob, kill it and go for the other is slow.
What makes it harder is having to control how many mobs you pull. It requires you to pay attention to your surroundings, to positioning etc. It means you have to be aware of things like mobs healing themselves and other mobs, mobs running away and pulling more mobs, etc.
There is no doubt that is is harder. It's also slower. But it's slower because it's harder. It being harder forces you to slow down, be careful, and possibly corpserun cause you fucked up.
>>321243660
Did somebody put something into the game that was not in the game.
Yes.
What is that thing called
Content
>and a level 90
what the hell?
whats the point of playing then
>>321243770
Meaning what? You killed a boss with all four of his satellites up? You cleared a dungeon really fast?
That's not content, what is so difficult to comprehend about this? Achievements don't add anything to the game, they just lean over your shoulder and say "if you can beat this part of the game with a foot behind your head, I'll give you a little badge saying you wasted your time doing that." Content is objective additions to the game, such as: dungeons, questing zones, raids, battlegrounds and new classes. Achievements are nowhere near as substantial as that and are not content.
>>321243773
That's not hard though. It's just punishing you for not seeing the zombie behind you. Hard is something that require skill.
Pressing 2,2,2,4,3,2,2,2 is not skill.
Bullet Hell is a skill. Playing Tetris is a skill. Playing WoW is a grind, not a skill. Anybody can do it. My mother could play Vanilla WoW and do 40 mans raids0.
Mila Kunis can do Vanilla WoW Raids.
>>321243752
>>321243401
you are some dense motherfuckers, how is adding something new to the game that adds new objectives new rewards worse than have nothing at all, please explain because i cant understand your point besides you hating wow and using that blind hatred to say some stupid shit
>>321243943
>dont add anything to the game
But it does. It add challenges. It add a reason to kill enemies City leaders. It add a reason to go and farm a reputation.
And it give titles, mounts, costumes. That's content.
It's like arguing that "Well Grape is not a fruit because it's not as big as a watermelon!"
>>321241379
Yeah I agree that it is, well mostly the legendary ring quest but not so much on the flying. I have people in my guild that are 13/13 heroic but don't have flying. its not really needed when you can skip an entire zone that's pretty shitty to quest in. The only reason I even go to Tanaan is to solo Kazz.
I gotta say, one thing that pissed me off more than anything is the old dungeon trimming.
Sunken Temple was my favorite dungeon and now its 5 bosses. What was the fucking need to gut that place? It's not like they split it up or anything they literally made shit inaccessible.
Stuff like this is the reason I don't want to play anymore, I can never go back and do that stuff again on the official servers. Naxx 40 gone, Scarlet monastery is garbage, Dungeon sets gone, Scholomance is a fucking joke, Paladin mount quest gone, warlock mount quest gone, actually any class specific quests just gone for no fucking reason.
I remember doing the quests for my warriors dungeon set to upgrade it and now its gone I can't have that type of enjoyment anymore.
Thrall can suck a dick since hes nothing but a giant pussy anymore, khadgar can go fuck himself and so can this alternate timeline bullshit.
>>321244168
>how is adding something new to the game that adds new objectives new rewards worse than have nothing at all
Because this shit started with Xbox Live and it was retarded then too. Giving you a little badge for doing something that existed in the game already is not content. I literally cannot spell this out any more clearly, and the only reason you swallow it is because your first fucking video game experience was probably Halo 3.
>>321243943
Do you even have fun playing videogames anon?
>>321235602
Most of the people that play now are the audience that Blizzard has dedicated themselves to, the mouth-breather casual scum. Last time I played was in early WoD, and even then there was a chick who thought she was such a nerd for playing WoW, only played Blizzard games and actually thought "Metal Gear" was a genre of music when I was talking about it. It's a sad fate, but I guess Blizzard accomplished what they desired - now their game means nothing and the people that still play it reflect this.
>>321244253
>you in charge of analogies
You can kill the city leaders without an achievement. It's already there.
You can clear a raid boss in some silly arbitrary way that makes it difficult. It's already there.
You can win a battleground with a perfect score. It's already there.
All of that is there. Giving you a little congratulation for doing shit already in the game is not content. I hope you fucking kids are just pretending to be retarded and don't seriously think ACHIEVEMENTS count as content.
>>321244294
I started playing video games with Super Mario Bros.
And achievements did not start with Xbox Live. They popularized the idea but a ton of games had Challenges and unlocks based on stuff.
Metroid is a classic example of an achievement. Finishing the game really fast give you a girl in a bikini.
In some games, not being hit at all unlock other content.
You must be some insecure guy to hate achievements on the only basis that "It's on the Xbox !!!"
>>321244439
fucks sake anon, achievs are like cola with rum,
you can drink rum. but its better with cola
>>321217342
The only thing growing in FFXIV is the amount of angry players leaving. The live letter last night caused so much negative backlash from people who aren't reddit tier, cash shop costume buying shills that I think it's safe to say the game is as good as dead.
I loved FFXIV. A fuckload, but christ. It's just awful, and it goes to show that Yoshida IS a hack, since everyting great about 2.0 was salvaged from the scraps of Tanaka's failure.
>>321244619
Microsoft marketing, please go
>>321244439
You can. But achievements GIVE you a title and a mount if you do.
They added content to the game by making you GAIN stuff if you did stuff.
Achievement IS content. A game with achievements has more content than a copy without. That's just factual. There is more data in one than the other.
>>321244619
both are drinks btw, so you dont say cola is not a drink because you can drink rum alone
>>321244619
>alcohol isnt good unless I water it down with corn syrup
I don't think realize how completely apt your metaphor is, you immense manchild. Enjoy your achievements, you probably can't enjoy games that aren't constantly buttering your ass for slogging through it.
>>321244084
>It's just punishing you for not seeing the zombie behind you.
Why didn't you pay attention to the zombie behind you then? Apparently that does take too much skill for you. Sorry you can't just faceroll through without paying attention to the actual world.
>>321244710
>But achievements GIVE you a title and a mount if you do.
who gives a shit, its still just a merit badge for playing the existing game some dev made in eight minutes
>>321244806
>zombie respawn behind me
>attack me
WOW
I'M TOTALLY BEING OUTSKILLED
Why are you fucks arguing over achievements? when they were introduced it was added content, with them adding it, it didn't block you from other things.
Are you all just that autistic that a little achievement blocks your enjoyment of a game?
>>321244783
its a matter of opinions fucktard, let me try to explain you again because you seem to idiotic to understand:
I like rum with cola
You like rum alone
You are literally saying cola is not a drink because you dont like it
>>321244084
and part of it is also that when you do pull more than you can handle, that you then can show your skill in getting out of the situation with the tools your class has available, like rooting the enemy, running away, reseting thr mobs, and repositioning yourself
but apparently you just like to play with your brain turned off
>>321244897
>Content dont count as content if you dont like it
Sure bro. You are totally right and make total sense.
Content is not content unless it please you.
so does it matter at all which realm you choose?
I'm on a pvp server
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>>321244974
>you seem to idiotic to understand
>to idiotic
>>321244953
keep an eye on what's behind you? run away? use frost nova, roots etc. and get the fuck out of there? if you die, you failed
>>321245124
too* you caught me anon
