Why is the most boring character always top tier?
Because their win strategy is the most practical, at the cost of being boring as fuck.
>>321195461
Because he's to the point. He's got speed, good dodges, disruption, range, and recovery. An all around solid brawler. He's boring because he lacks a gimmick, which most others have, but gimmicks can often be hindering.
>>321196240
>He
Precisely because they're boring.
>>321196291
I see no problem here.
>>321196291
>has
>sheik being the most boring when this character exists
also besides pic related, Mario, Rosalina and Ness exist if you want more boring characters than Sheik
>>321195461
It's smash 4 every character is boring
>>321196957
>dick
>>321196957
>Vagina.
>>321196957
>as zelda
>>321197003
So Sheik has wide ass hips and an apparent baby penis the size of a clitoris.
She also has regular to a japanese woman sized breasts, and can do all of this leg shit without crushing her nuts so she must be a dude.
>>321196612
>no
>tfw almost no one plays marth anymore in melee
and the ones that do get knocked out early
>>321195461
Because overuse, and with it the overuse, make us to see them all the tim.
>>321197675
*time
>Sprint at opponent and attack
Shiek, Marth, Mac, and Sonic are all so boring to fight against.
>>321197574
Funny because hes 3 onthe tier list
>>321197358
>>321197003
>>321196240
This is what SJWs actually believe.
>>321197838
>I've never seen a vagina.
>>321197825
you must be fighting shitty players then.
>>321197825
did you try dashdancing
>>321197825
Hurr durr what do l and r do
>>321197996
Top kek excellent post m8 u wot
>>321197393
>wide-ass hips
You mean shoulders and pecs?
>>321197890
SJWs would say that sheik is a girl because Zelda is a woman regardlessly of Sheik's male body
What do you mean, OP?
>>321197825
>marth
>boring
Dashdancing isn't the most entertaining thing in the world, but Marth is the most entertaining top tier to watch compared to the rest. Playing Marth requires you to really be on point with his normals and spacing in order to maximize the usage of his sweet spots whenever possible.
>>321197574
not really, recent big tournament like Dreamhack Winter just haven't had any of the big Marth mains there
>>321195461
beg to differ
>>321197436
>style
you only find her boring because she's the best
>>321195461
There is nothing boring about Shiek's hips and ass.
>>321199071
Who else is even a big marth main anymore? Like m2k barely plays marth anymore, PPMD is gone because of depression, and then you have good players like moon but who doesn't quite make it all the way
>>321195461
Hate to break it to you but smash isnt a serious fighting game. Thus tiers are mostly irrelevant, just play who you want
>>321201843
PPMD is actually gonna start attending more in 2016, there's also PPU and then there also players like DruggedFox, Colbol who have a great Marth.
>>321201032
yeah because they dont exist
They aren't boring
People just have a deficiency where seeing somebody overused makes them boring
>>321202218
But this is false
Fighting game girls are always the best. Best makeover possible is just being thrown into a fighting game.
>>321196752
>Ness is boring.
Found the Sonicfag.
>>321202450
this.
no one wants to admit the top tiers can be fun because they afraid of being called a tryhard faggot for liking top tiers
>>321203038
Lucas is much more fun to play as and against
>>321202738
Fanart doesn't mean shit.
>>321199868
>he
>>321202738
I like where this thread is going...
>>321203309
I prefer Ness as a character and play him mostly for his air game which is way too good, combos into throws are also ridiculous. I haven't played Lucas enough to actually get a real verdict on him though, is he good?
>>321203456
>has
>>321203038
>sonicfag even though i said i hate him
ness mains really are braindead
>>321203707
>main.jpg
Sorry for reading your faggot ass file name instead.
Also him being boring doesn't mean you don't actually play him baka senpai.
>>321203578
Lucas has a really good air game, plus his fsmash and magnet are much better than Ness allowing you to deal with projectiles better.
PK Fire is good for neutral game. He has a lot of edge guarding options and his grab tether allows him to get back to stage without risking a PK Thunder.
And nothing feels better than landing a bair spike.
>>321203851
>implying that i'm a retard that doesn't pick the best character instead
>>321196240
>He
>>321202481
Zelda or no, that is a man's body. Disassociate the image from the loreand you're just full gay.
>>321203919
When you put it that way he's much better than I perceived him, thanks anon.
>>321204052
So you admit to being an even bigger faggot than previously? Literally worse than Meta Knights in Brawl.
>>321197825
>sprint at opponent and grab
>sprint at opponent and immediately shield
>sprint at opponent and spam up-tilts
90% of for glory players.
>>321203919
>tfw you PK Freeze someone offstage and b-air them
so are Robin, Lucas and Bowser officially contenders now?
i know Ike went from zero to hero with patch buffs, but the 3 above seem legitimately good now
what about Mewtwo? last patch brought some aggressive buffs for him, but getting blown through the blast zone at like 65% is souring
>>321204272
>Approach
Am For Glory player and don't know what this word means. It's probably a fancy word for spamming my projectile.
>>321204217
>ness main calling someone a faggot
the fucking irony
sheik is better, but ness is so braindead that it's retarded
>>321204607
Okay, I'll give you that one.
>>321195461
>Why is the most boring character always top tier?
Except that's not always the case. Plenty of characters that sit at the top in fighting games are not the one's that are the easiest to pick up and play or the one's ridden with gimmicks in their gameplay.
>>321196752
>>321203038
Sonic isn't really boring, just some competitive people are complete assholes with him because he's a character that can play both offensive and defensive really well.
>>321195461
not always.
Pikachu, Fox and MK were all fun to play and (usually) even play against.
Sheik is just conceptually lame. Nobody likes her in Melee either.
>>321195461
More like >>>/trash/ teir
>>321195461
>Why is the most boring character always top tier?
Because the character is easy to pick up and play, apparently dhalsim was technically the best character in marvel 2 but because execution was too hard he isn't. It's all about easy execution, then again smash is a game all about easy execution.
>>321203038
SideB (if it catches someone) -> DThrow -> FAir -> FAir -> FAir -> USpecial (hit yourself with the projectile) -> get opponent's damage around 90-100% -> BThrow -> OK
This isn't always the case though
>Zato-1 and Faust in Xrd
>Sasquatch and Q-Bee in VSav
>Sentinel
>Magmar in Duelyst
>Junk Reanimator during ISD-RtR Standard
>Jund pre Bloodbraid Elf ban
>Garchomp
>Rosalina
>Tusk and Dazzle
>>321195461
It's because top tiers usually have cheesy strats that make them top tier.
Mostly though it's just because you see so much of the character that they get boring. I used to love watching Melee Fox but I see so much of him now that I find it boring unless it's like very top level Fox.
>>321204506
>When you land the PK Freeze on someone recovering low and it stagespikes them
>>321204616
>sheik is better, but ness is so braindead that it's retarded
I'll never understand this logic.
If Ness is so braindead, why doesn't he top tournaments? If he's so easy to play, why isn't he actually placing high in environments that matter?
It's because braindead Ness is fucking awful and only scrubs get beat by braindead Ness. It's also why anyone that's actually decent don't complain about him.
Bowser is more fucking braindead than Ness is now.
>>321206231
Junk reanimator was not the best deck in ISD/RtR. I played so much of that standard, it was aristocrats act 2 or bant pants.
Fox and Meta Knight were the most exciting characters in their respective games, though.
>Whining about top tiers
Easiest way to spot a shit player
>>321199071
Why does people act like the 20XX meme is funny?
>>321206758
To be fair I did start falling out of the game around the time Gatecrash released so meta shifts flew over my head, but of the main contenders that was definitely my favorite. Now UW Delver was fucking boring.
>>321206120
>I don't know what DI is
DI backwards and you can't even get hit by but one Fair at low percentage. The convo doesn't even work once you past 50 on most of the cast and that 3x Fair into PKT2 isn't true in any stretch of the imagination. If your getting hit by PK fire while your stationary on the ground the problem is you not Ness.
TL;DR get fucking good
>>321207314
Oh, I don't have the problem against Ness. It's that it's the go to thing for every Ness player to do regardless. Therefore, he's boring.
>>321206957
By the end of Dragon's Maze bant, rdw, aristocrats and jund were all putting up results and all were fun in my opinion.
I quit standard in rtr/theros, though. We will never get another block as good as ISD.
>>321195461
You mean thesexiest
>>321206621
Just because he's braindead doesn't mean he's top tier numbnuts
>>321201032
Sheik's ass is completely flat
>>321198332
Zelda is a girl, Sheik is Zelda in a tight costume, so Sheik is a girl.
>>321207815
>Character goes for their easier and safest combos
>This is a problem
So fighting any character is boring since they all have combos they try and use every game then?
>>321206843
meleefags always try to create memes of their shitty game to try to attract more people into it to stop the game from dying like it should have long time ago.
>>321208305
His is the most boring.
>>321207878
I always mention how much I hated ISD for shit like Delver, Snapcaster, and St. Traft but looking back it had a lot of cool shit (Griselbrand, Geralf's Messenger, Gravecrawler, Unburial Rites, Restoration Angel, Tamiyo, Craterhoof, Huntmaster, etc).
I rarely play anymore sadly.
>talking about braindead characters
>not "I have no startup or recovery on anything" Mario
Sheik is a girl.
Fact.
>>321208802
>The front hit of his down smash is frame 5
>His upsmash starts on frame 9
>>321209053
>upsmash has intangibility on the head
why
>>321206231
>Burn will be top tier forever in legacy, modern and pauper
>>321206843
Because it's created by Hax.F.Money
>>321208534
Just admit you want to hate on Ness for personal reasons that makes no fucking sense. A playstyle is what is boring not a combo
>>321195461
In any other game, Shiek would be interesting. She's the ninja archtype. It's just that in smash she is just a normal ninja and not like a water magic ninja or something cool.
>>321210420
>In any other game, Shiek would be interesting.
not Melee
>>321206621
Being braindead doesn't mean that he's the best.
Unless you're Yun in USF4. Then it's arguable.
>>321210751
She's interesting in Melee because you can accidentally turn into Zelda.
>>321209053
>powerful smash attacks starting under 10 frames
Mario is a fun fight but holy shit that can't be right they are fast but that's a the speed if slow tilts how the fuck did Sora and Namco see this and say "Yes this is perfectly fine"
Are the top 3 in Sm4sh still Shiek, ZSS, and Rosalina?
Will Sakurai ever nerf them?
>>321211334
Ryu is better than Rosalina
>>321195461
Diddy Kong was top tier for a long time and he wasn't boring
>>321212640
>a character that kills you from 3 grabs is not boring
>Fox
>boring
>>321212640
Literally the only good thing about Diddy Kong was the HOO and the HAHS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxALn6UDNB8
>>321212813
After 15 years of up throw up air, yes.
>>321212391
No he's not.
>>321212640
>>321212640
>taunt banana, throw banana, grab, up throw Up Air Up Air Up Air
>not boring
>>321212910
Diddy was a top tier threat for more than hoo hah learn something about the damn character first he is still a top tier threat without it
>>321213016
Yes he is.
>>321213221
yes he was broken as fuck but the fun part was the hoo hah meme
>>321195461
Because you willingly choose to play shitty games
My main is Fox, I have a TON of fun playing him. People say he's boring to watch.
I think the robotic play to win fox can be pretty boring to watch, but at the same time seeing his moves executed perfectly is boner material for Fox players. He can get pretty stylish, it's just risky because of his recovery to try too many unsafe options.
>>321213274
Ryu doesn't have her spacing or ability to kill from range.
>>321213274
Rosalina shits on Ryu. Let me know when Ryu gains the ability to shut down projectiles or break himself out of grabs.
>>321212910
Diddy is still a really good character. He never needed hoo hah it was just his deadliest option. Without it he can still beat most characters if well played. Way better off than a lot of the cast if Sheik is the top of the curve.
>>321195461
Because you're a contrarian retard who would find anything "boring", so long as it's the number 2 best character.
Your hatred from Shiek doesnt stem from anything other than the fact that shes the best character in the game.
>>321213996
Rosa can only break out of grabs if you're dumb enough to pummel her, like in this oddshot
http://oddshot.tv/shot/smashstudios-20151213182159593
>>321211334
Rosalina is overrated. Dabuz is the only good player and she becomes shit tier after you kill Luma, which isn't very hard depending on your character.
I just think it's funny to see players try to grab Rosalina and then cry "broken" after they get hit.
>>321208461
Grace
>>321213770
Rosalina also doesn't have the best punish game unlike Ryu, or the weight or frame 3 moves comboing into kill moves
>>321196240
>he
>>321209547
Burn wasn't even a relevant deck in most formats until it got Monastery Swiftspear a year ago. One year of play is hardly forever.
>>321214531
Plumber grabs fuck Luma. Lots of moves do, I think Rosa is still good though. At least with Luma active like you said. Her aerials are stupidly good. To me she's still a top 6-10, not top 3-5 like some people think though.
>>321214531
no, she's still pretty good without Luma.
If you're above her you're going to have a hard time because her up air is stupidly good.
>>321196240
>he
>>321217346
>>321214803
>my shitty fanart will surely prove my headcanon!
>>321218316
The headcanon is Sheik being male
>>321218430
see >>321198332
That is offical, not your shit.
>>321218506
That is Zelda in disguise you idiot
>>321218609
Zelda who transformed herself into a male.
>>321214531
Rosa still has her crazy priority, disjoints, range, overall air game and gravitational pull even for the 10 seconds she is without Luma it hardly hinders her and she can just out camp you will she waits for it to respawn
>>321218689
No she didn't
That is purely a fan idea, it has no actual basis
>>321218746
~priority doesn't work the way you think it does~
It does always seem like the most non-characters are the favorites.
What I mean by that is stuff like Fox and Captain Falcon. They usually just drive vehicles, the characters in their Smash format was basically invented by Smash itself. Ganondorf is popular too, and I don't even think he does a single attack that he's done in any Zelda game. Ness is popular but him using electric and fire attacks was totally made up by Smash.
I know I'm sounding autistic here, but I like more "pure" characters like Link, Kirby, Diddy Kong, and most Mario characters.. All of their shit is actually from their games.
>>321218971
Ganondorf is popular because of the whole HURR MANLY DISRESPECT bullshit.
I blame Jizzarro Came
>>321218316
>Sheik being female
>headcanon
>>321208026
my nigga
>>321218689
not canon
>>321218874
>I throw out an attack
>Rosa throws out the same type of attack
>Her attack overrides mine because she has more priority and i get hit
???
>>321218846
>>321219343
>>321219502
Again, see >>321198332
That is clearly a mans body, and shiek is reffered to as male IN GAME. Why cant you just accept that?
>>321220218
No she isn't.
>>321220335
???
>>321214632
but
>>321220104
There's no hidden "priority" stat.
For ground moves it's based on percentage.
If the moves are within 8% of each other they'll clank and both characters will be put into a staggering animation. If a move does 9% or more damage than the other it will simply break through. For example, Ganondorf will be able to Fsmash through Sheik's jab.
Air moves have no priority system at all. None. Zero.
If two characters use an air move at the same time and one hits the other, it's simply because that move had longer range than the other.
People confuse disjointed hitboxes with having "high priority" when really, it's just that the charater's hitbox doesn't overlap with their hurtbox.
A famous example is all of Game and Watch's aerials. All of them are disjointed, so people say he has high priority on his moves, when it's not exactly true.
If Marth and G&W both used Fair at the same time spaced so G&W's box hit Marth's sword, they'll just pass through each other and the moves will continue until the animation ends. No staggering like ground moves.
When ground and air moves interact, ground moves are treated like air moves and no priority system is in place.
Projectiles use the same priority system as ground moves with the exception of Needles, Spacie Lasers and Megaman's Fsmash, which will continue until they reach their target or maximum range.
Some moves, like Palutena's Bair and Dash attack and Bowser's Up smash have invincibility and will break through anything no matter what.
Now you learned something new, anon. Happy smashing!
>>321195461
>implying brawl metaknight is boring
>implying melee fox is boring
>implying 64 pika is boring
It's just sheik
>>321222108
Also, Rosalina's up air has the largest disjoint out of every upward facing attack in the game.
It's literally impossible to challenge. Don't try it, try and land and reset to neutral instead.
is sheik interesting in PM?
playing against her in Melee is like pulling teeth and not exactly having a thrill when playing her either
her new specials in smash 4 are great (pill bomb kind of weak though)
>>321196545
Mr. Wonder what are you doing here
