Was this the best WoW expansion?
>>321180339
No it was wotlk
>>321180339
TBC = Wrath (preference) > Cata = Panda (preference) > Shit > WoD
>>321180484
Proofs?
>>321180484
/thread...NEEEEXT!
>>321180506
Wotlk didn't turn levelling into a daycare. The way they redid class mechanics removed a lot of individuality from the classes, non combat mage spells being a particular victim of cataclysm.
Also
>Slightly increased speed and money earned for 1-60 levelling
>Class quests
>Classic world that's still cohesive
>Thrall still a thing
>Cairne Blood hoof alive
Coming from someone that liked cata.no it wasnt.Patch 4.3 was shit,Firelands was good but too small for an entire tier and the first tier is my personal GOAT raid tier.Blizzard hasn't written anything good since warcraft 3 so the story was shit.Also 3.3 and cata introduced features that ruined the game for me.
>>321180339
It's the most visible in my memory as a non-player. I will never forget "Catacalysm"
Heh ha ha HA HA HA HA HA
MoP was actually one of the best expansions
inb4 this is bait, it isn't
It might have been if they'd actually spent time and effort on it
TBC is the only good expansion.
Wrath>TBC>>Pandaland>>>>>Cata>=WoD
>>321181354
TBC was the beginning of the end
>someone who played wow since day 1
>vanilla
new and exciting, first mmo and super addictive and alot of fun - 8/10
>tbc
vanilla but without the freshness but improved gameplay - 7/10
>wotlk
the best expansion, mostly because of the setting and the lore that was highly tied into wow - 10/10
>cata
wtfhappened.jpg 2/10
>mop
it was alright, great gameplay although not too fond of the setting - 6/10
>wod
great leveling, great world, great pve content, great raids but one huge problem which was longevity - 7/10
>>321181354
>Lore rape
>Rainbow gear
>Worse balance than Vanilla
Aight.
>>321181454
>wod not last place
>wotlk 10/10
You are not fooling anyone wrathbaby
God no. It was TBC.
>>321181454
>mostly because of the setting and the lore
>wotlk good lore
nice joke m8
>>321181149
MoP is possibly the best expansion to level through, the quests led in to one another well, the zones were pretty and distinctive and the music was great. It felt 'cohesive' which is pretty unique for wow (or at least it did until they nuked the EXP requirements for leveling and now you can just hop between zones and questlines doing whatever the fuck you want).
It just had shitty dungeons and endgame and since that's what most people play wow for it's not usually put on par with BC or Wrath (which is fair)
>>321180339
You're just asking this because you know that it's the worst they've ever made by such a wide margin that there are no other possible contenders. You really should be ashamed of such a blatant shitpost, I mean you could have at least tried a little bit.
>>321180814
I hate how they have major plot points play out in books.
>>321181574
>the latest thing is always the worst
same old thing every expansion with you people 6 months into legion you will reminiss of how "awesome wod was"
>>321181742
WoD is way worse
I hope you kill yourself op. Anything past wrath is literal human garbage tier.
>>321182049
Because blizzard manages to outdo themselves in baddnes with the exception of mop
>>321182123
No, you just don't like WoD, there's a difference.
>>321182049
>eminiss of how "awesome wod was"
Nobody will do this. Even the hardcore blizzdrones know WoD was shit
>>321182165
Am I being bamboozled? It was mediocre at best.
>>321182259
Yeah, and Cata was a late-term abortion. They're not really on the same level.
I think TBC was best if you were a hardcore raider and as such you could actually get to see all the work put into its various content patches.
WotLK was best if you were a more casual raider or weren't a raider at all.
Wod was alright, just felt small, and the long content draught made it worse, again for a video game it's not bad, but when you factor $15 bucks a month, you can't help but think that wih that money you can subscribe to humble bundle monthly and get a bunch of games, granted some suck, but 15 bucks for another month of pushing Archimonde on mythic (assuming you haven't already) or pay day 2 and whatever crap they have (opinions aside).
Replace humble with whatever you like if you're too autistic to get past hating on payday 2
WotLK.
Lots of awesome content, balanced casual and hardcore pretty well too.
>>321180339
Vanilla = TBC = WoTLK > MoP >Cata > WoD
>TBC=WotLK (Both good, personal preference dictates superiority, it can swing either way on a person to person level)
>Vanilla = MoP (MoP was a good expansion, some prefer the modern WoW and some prefer the old WoW)
>Cata = WoD (same deal as with TBC and LK, both have good things but are layered with enough shit to put them at the bottom)
The only list that everybody can agree with.
>>321182035
So your issue isn't really with the expansion at all
>>321183750
Wotlk is overrated, 3.0 and totc were fucking retarded.
Top tier: TBC, Vanilla.
Some flaws but still great tier: Wotlk, MoP
What the fuck are you doing tier: Cata, WoD.
Did anyone even care about Cataclysm?
>>321181708
>Endgame
MoP raids were fucking great, every raid were above average unlike Wrath where half the raids were rushed shit just so they could make 2 good ones.
>Community
Vanilla>BC>Wrath>Pandaria=WoD>Cata
>theming
Wrath=BC>Cata=Vanilla>Pandaria>WoD
>talent trees
MoP/WoD>Vanilla/BC/Wrath>Cata
bring on now the retards defending the "unique builds" they made before Cataclysm hit (and on the very rare chance it was actually good, it got nerfed)
Argue all you want, MoP was better than both its predecessor and successor. I'd say its even close to Wotlk in terms of quality. some people thought it would be too cartony but on the contrary it had some brutal themes within it
i played this as a kid but now i seriously wouldn't even play it high, even if it was the "glory days" right now or whatever
>>321184956
Talents of wod were fucking garbage, they became far too happy for "worthless talent,aoe talent, single target talent" That shit isn't a choice.
Also there's several tiers where I haven't changed a talent once in the entire expansion.
>people are unironically posting that leveling should be slower/harder
>>321184956
I actually liked more vanilla to wotlk talent trees. After cata they really went to shit, also glyphs were dumb as fuck
Admit it, you miss it.
>>321184706
pre nerfed cata was top tier shame they listen to the community and made the game dogshit.
>>321185225
>from 6 years of WoW, you remember MoP days most fondly
>>321185140
I changed my talents around and had fun playing Ret and Prot, what spec are you playing?
>>321185223
I didn't like being stuck with the same talents the whole expansion (though I could switch between 20s cooldown reduction on HoJ and sacred shield iirc, but that's still far, far less choices than what I get from MoP/WoD talent trees)
>>321185261
It still ruined vanilla leveling, implemented lfr and had pretty small raids that were nothing special in terms of quality.
>>321185225
is there a way to see the center of Pandaria pre-destruction again? I don't want to do those dailies ever again, but that place was really beautiful
>>321181149
It was one of the best if you can look through the panda faggottry.
It really was a lot of fun. Miles better than cata and wod
>>321185261
>mfw pre-nerf cata heroics
I fucking hate casuals so much
>>321180339
trying to revive the old continent was a nice touch, but they didnt even do that, it was just a layer of paint over the old content to see if they could attract the old fanbase
>>321185509
>all those threads complaining about heroics in the official forum
>>321185261
how long did that last? like 2 weeks from release?
well, what can you do when 80% of the playerbase consists of pic related
>>321185357
Warlock, only talent tiers I've changedand this is across all the specshave been 75 and 100. To be perfectly honest you could change 45 but sac pact is still the best in nearly all situations.
>>321185509
That whining led to the death of "hard" accesible content, fucking whiners.
>>321180339
It was the absolute WORST and the downfall of WoW; Cata was the moment the B team was for sure in control of this project
It was like a shitty Saturday morning cartoon, and it was during Cata that the game went full retard and homogenized all the specs and classes into some Marxist relativism, complete with crappy pre-ordained cookie cutter builds and rotations by design, as opposed to rotations which just happen to provide the best DPS.
>>321185225
This was shit too, but for different reasons.The music and environment design was top notch though, and it had great raids.
Why was it shit? The community and endless amounts of phasing, plus the raid finder - which didn't help the community problem one iota.
WoW is a shadow of its former 2004-2009 days. Let it go. Legion will be just as bad as WoD.
>>321185720
didn't you play around with lmao2demon/sacrifice/empower?
>>321185692
>>321185625
>>321185720
yeah, it lasted something around 2~4 weeks tops
how are dungeons now? I heard there is a mythic setting? does that mean that dungeons are now allowed to be challenging? I'd resub for that, since I cant always raid because of real life time constraints nowadays
>>321180506
As someone who's played since 2005:
>WotLK>Mists>Vanilla>BC>Cata>WoD
>>321186137
Since 2006
TBC > WOTLK > Vanilla > MoP > Cata > WOD
It went from being an interesting personal adventure with friends and contacts; to a shitty mess
TBC had the best instances.
the only thing that stands out other than TBC raids was Ulduar.
dunno about best expansion.
>>321186051
Yeah and that's the only changes necesary, everything else has been so poorly balanced.Actually now that I think back, right at the start of the expansion, I picked Mannoroth's Fury instead of Archimonde's Darkness for destro, but then they made rain of fire literally useless with a 75% nerf in a FUCKING HOTFIX
>>321185150
i would actually prefer it was faster, especially for DPS classes. for DPS, the queue for dungeon is painful.
WoW needs to take the Marvel Heroes model. cut the bullshit, let people pay to level faster. they already pay for everything else including high rated arena teams.
>>321186490
There's already level boosts up to 90.
tbc>cata pre nerf patch>vanilla>wotlk>>cata>>mop>wod
>started 1 month after release
>>321186560
you mean the elixir that goes for thousands of gold or heirlooms??
it needs to be faster, did you need read the part about dungeon queues?
i'm thinking pocket tanks that the party leader controls that's like a pet, to make queues faster.
>>321186684
I mean pay 60 or so bucks to boost a char to 90.
>>321185225
Pandaria at least proved that Blizzard is still capable of making interesting new worlds and loreyes I know that there's a panda in wc3
Legion seems to be a panic button 'throw everything in at once' type of expansion but if it works maybe they'll make something interesting and new again for the next one.
>>321186639
So you didn't play mop?
>>321186739
I don't get the point in doing that.
You pay money to not play a game that you... already paid money to play. So stupid
>inb4 people who play the game with in-game gold
Also, it's confusing as fuck, because you haven't levelled with these abilities and don't know what does what, what the rotation is, what cooldowns to use etc.
It's more confusing than starting from level 1
>>321186812
i did
thats why its between cata and wod , because at least it feel "complete" unlike wod
>hurr pandas
i dont give a fuck of pandas , everything of the expansion was shit , dailys raids leveling questsi liked the sha models but they sure went trigger happy with copy paste
BC=MoP>vanilla>WotLK>cata>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WoD
>>321187072
>Mop raids
>Shit
No
>>321186886
When you are bumped to 90, it drops you in what amounts to a 90's starting area to get a feel for the new abilities and rotation.
Post your favorite raid from each expansion (only if you raided when the expansion was active):
Vanilla: Blackwing Lair
BC: Karazhan
WotLK: ICC (deal with it)
Cata: Firelands?
MoP: SOO
WoD: HFC... I guess?
>>321187234
I know that but it's still not good enough
Cross Realm Zones
Cross Realm Guilds
Dungeon Finder
Raid Finder
Heirlooms
Achievements
Guild Unlocks
>By their powers combined; they are the WoW Slayers
WotlK>TBC(if you're nostalgic)>MoP>TBC>A litteral pile of shit>Cata>WoD
People wax nostalgic over TBC since it was so much like vanilla. But it didn't really add much and was a lore nightmare. It was just vanilla + minor scifi elements + retcons. Still good, but not amazingly so.
Vanilla: Zul'Gurub
BC: Karazhan
Wotlk: Naxxramas
Cata: _
MoP: Throne of Thunder
WoD: _
>>321187072
Though MoP had insane amount of content.
Questing was good
Dungeons were decent
Raids were good apart from SoO forever
Treasure hunting
Scenarios
Brawlers Arena
Thunder Isle
Dinosaur Isle
Timeless Isle - World PvP
Pet Battles
Proving Grounds
PvE content such as the dominance offensive
Rare hunting
Glorious mounts
Achiv hunting improved on
Lots of different factions
Only thing people seem to really hate was the theme which I guess is understandable
>>321187072
Playing the first tier then dropping the game doesn't count as playing MoP.
MoP introduced some disgustingly awful things into WoW but it's still an amazing expansion.
>>321185225
MoP really was fantastic. It did just about everything right.
People just shit on it because "lolpandas"
I'll take a race that was an april fools joke over a race that is both a retcon, and sci-fi based in a fantasy setting any day.
Draenei will always be worse and more ill fitting than Pandaren.
While on the subject of race. Posting the best and only good thing about Cata.
>>321187257
Blackwing lair
Black temple
Ulduar
Blackwing lair 2: electric bogaloo
Throne of thunder
Highmaul, though I haven't cleared HFC mythic yet so might change
>>321187468
thats why i said "it feel complete"
sure i hated the pandas but like i give a fuck about wow lore anymore after vanilla was released
>questing was good
sure i loved "follow this retard while he talks , you can't skip it"
>>321187468
Asian fantasy setting > science fantasy setting
TBC did good with pve and pvp, but I'm not for a second going to try and say that its theme fit Warcraft.
Dude spaceships and space demons lmao
>>321187468
>invite someone to kill timeless rares
>kill him
>he whines in general chat
>use transformation item that gives 400% increased swimming speed
>gank people on the beach then retreat into the ocean when things get hairy
>roleplay as a sea monster from a B horror movie
>another thread where people pretend MoP was good and not the same kind of worthless themepark garbage Cata was
When will this meme end? Seriously, it's getting fucking tiring.
>"B-b-b-b-but there was so much content!"
Too bad it was all garbage and was entirely in service of furthering the game's lean toward being a more casual, streamlined experience for normalfags and children.
And don't even get me started on how boring the Pandas and their dumb island was.
So guys, let's talk about the only thing that matters: Raids
TBC > WoD > MoP > Vanilla > Wrath > Cata
>>321187806
someone didn't raid in MoP
>>321187389
You didn't like Blackwing?
>>321180339
TBC was the beginning of the end with the introduction of flying mounts and instant gratification pvp rewards for playing ten games a week. Wrath was the last nail in the coffin with phasing and dungeon finders added.
>>321187806
>didn't do brawler's guild
>didn't laugh at all the retards dying to Ixx while waiting his turn
everything after based Northrend was shit, The End.
>>321187837
somebody favorite movie is kung-fu panda
>>321187818
WoD feels too high there. BRF is god tier, HFC is pretty good, and Highmaul was just okay. Also two tiers hurts it a bit.
>>321187468
Another thing I really liked from mop was the "rares", having a mount grind each tier was really good instead of just another "go afk at spawn and hope for your luck". It was something to do, log in when you got an hour to spare, put on some music and kill a ton of dinos for the mount.
>>321180339
Vanilla
>>321187870
never got to raid it
I was a trial in a guild, they invited me over to BWL once and when I took the time to get all potions and consumables they fucking replaced me with someone. got to see the interior atleast
>>321187985
>didn't do singleplayer themepark ride dog shit
I did it a couple times and then never bothered going back because it was just worthless and boring.
>>321188023
now who's being childish? that's an alright movie
>>321187985
Getting "now you're just showing off" back in 5.1 with 490 ilvl was more satisfying than 90% of raid bosses.
>>321187870
>Blackwing
Do you mean Blackwing Descent? I loved it but it was bugged for 10man guilds making it practically impossible to finish. That ordeal leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
>>321188163
I did GG engineering almost completely naked to make fun of one of my friends who kept failing it.
Good times.
I kind of cheated the rank 8+ stuff with gear because dps was barely an offspec for me.
>>321188075
There is a sick pet you can get from the rare snakes that has a full 100% speed breed with a blinding poison and an attack that hits twice to poisoned targets.
>all these Wrath babbies and post-wrath babbies hailing Wrath as the best expansion
It was literally the expansion where we started to see all the shit (game wise NOT lore wise) go down the toilet TBC fucked up lore sure, but Wrath is what heralded the downfall of WoW and all the shitty dungeons patch droughts, and shitty casualized game mechanics we have today
>>321188023
Thats a legit good movie. Though I watched it after playing MoP.
>>321188481
But vanilla was the best.
>>321188379
I friend of mine was whining about Hexus so I logged my 507 rogue alt and killed it while making fun of him.I got in the eu top 200 first reaching top rank, if you got "now you're just showing off" realm first it would make an announcement about earning a removed realm first achi so everyone got "anon has earned the achievement"
I don't like the WoW expansion model period. Spending years making content and a huge game world only to constantly replace it and shuffle players onto new continents is stupid. There are enormous swathes of the game that are barren and useless to everyone except achievement hunters.
Why even have the rest of the game? All sub-90 content may as well be deleted, since it only becomes more and more irrelevant with every expansion. Creating "temporary content" just seems like an enormous waste of time. Is it impossible to make an MMO that actually expands instead of just switching shit out?
>>321180506
If you played it you would know why. You would also know why wow went to shit since cata and why OP is a humoungous faggot for even thinking of cata as anything else than the no turn back point of WoW decadency.
>>321188481
Wrath lore was awful shit the lowest point of WoW lore
>there must always be a lich king
>>321188608
My guildmaster spent months raging about how hexos was unfair and should not be in the game at all when he repeatedly failed it.
He was a rogue too so he got a chance to fuck up with that cheat death shit.
>>321188612
The problem is that after wrath, or rather swp patch in tbc. They're running the same model on a smaller scale with tiers, everything besides the current raid tier is made obsolete by lfr. Mythic dungeons and the new challenge mode system might help on it but the old raids are still just wasted even in the same expansion.
>>321188608
The disc priest from our guild did hexos without moving. I was so pissed.
>>321188608
>don't want to play WoD
>really hate how WoD looks
>friends make me start playing again by the time the last patch hits
>"at least I get to do the new brawler's guild"
>all the bosses are the same, but easier because of ability inflation
>hexos is bugged to not turn with the player
>feel deep regret
>guild falls apart and everyone quits because no one wants to play
>>321189002
>bored because nothing to do in wod
>fight Disruptron for old times sake
>they nerfed all his abilities and now they just tickle where they used to nearly one shot
They can't do anything right
>>321180339
In a sense, because it's the one that made me quit. My life got awesome afterwards, and everyone I left behind is still a loser burnout
>>321184956
This is good, but I'd go farther and change "talent trees" to just gameplay, but also put WoD with Cata in those ranks. PvP and PvE were both pretty top notch in MoP once the reputation grinding was out of the way. Classes and abilities felt great, maybe there was one or two specs that needed a little help but otherwise everyone was pretty even - if you were skilled at your class it showed. Monks were implemented very nicely, they were unique in playstyle and hardly interfered with other classes, they felt like a proper addition to the game. Like Cata it didn't have a lot of raids, but the raids it did have were pretty damn good, and ToT gets bonus points for the Thunder King and Ra-den. The Isles were like Quel'danas on crack, very engaging and encouraged world PvP like nothing else.
The expansion really was a sort of last breath of fresh air from the old dev team before they plunged eternally into the hellish jewscape that they are now.
Reminder that only casuals who spent all of TBC in Karazhan liked Wrath
it was trash.
can we all agree TBC dailies sucked and most of blades edge was just gay lame shit but
I dont even know why I liked TBC so much, sure pvp was in the best place its ever been, heroics were "Hard", badges and I was content just doing karazhan. Looking back at it, compared to even MoP I'm surprised we didnt run out of content.
>>321189405
MoP PvP needed improvements with DRs, which was the only decent change in WoD
PvE was fucking perfect though, classes had complexity.
>>321189714
>MoP warrior
All specs were perfect. Why in the fuck did they change them!
Official list
Vanilla>TBC>Mists>Early Cata>Wrath>Late Cata>WoD
Reminder that community trumps all in an MMO
>>321190121
Omfg fury warrior during MoP was amazing, never has the class been any better for pve. That rotation actually required a degree of skill and timing
There was only ONE good expansion, and that was TBC.
Anything that came after was complete and utter garbage that only children that started the game later like.
>>321190121
lol fuck heroic strike - Celestalon
>>321190121
I miss MoP Fury
I also miss MoP Fire Mage so fucking much.
Alter Time + PoM Pyro chaining for a ridiculous combustion felt orgasmic every time it worked
>>321190292
I never really liked heroic strike.
You just hit it when you had a bunch of rage for a little damage and when your rage generation was high enough you just spam clicked it while doing your normal rotation.
>tfw I keep having this dream about WoW 2
>you are a forsaken male in a dark, forgotten tomb
>the only lighting is a torch you see in the distance, slowly closing the distance until you can make out a decrepit, withered face
>the main writer is Chris Avellone
>the dead man sits down across from you, and you talk for a while, the madness of death slowly leaving you as the conversation progresses
>he tells you that this tomb is not safe, and that if you value your unlife, you should escape from it and seek out the town of Brill
>he quickly deports into a portal, and you are left to fend for yourself as the disturbance has raised the dead from their restless sleep
>you fight your way through the tomb, updating your journal as you find old tomes and texts about the the fall of Lordaeron in the distant past. Memories flash for an instant and you recall a small fragment of your old life
>as you defeat the last guardian, you see an old, creaking door from the corner of your eye, you move to open it and immediately the salty air of the sea assaults your senses, and you almost fall into the depths as you realize you are standing upon a very narrow cliff raised above the harsh seas
dream always ends there
>>321190591
you just posted this in another thread
>>321190508
shut up faget
http://www.heroicstrike.org/
>>321180339
As an Arms PvE Warrior it was absolute heaven. Still salty about the butcher then removal of deadly calm though.
Besides that I honestly think MoP was the best expansion to date.
>>321190715
yeah, and? this is another board entirely, shitbird
>>321190731
I will agree that warriors were butchered in WoD, but I don't miss heroic strike at all.
>>321190918
DIE DIE DIE CELESTALON DIEEE
>>321190226
>>321190292
>>321190503
Arms was at its best too
And now survival hunter is exactly the same as MoP arms, but with pets. And Legion Arms is even further gutted and Legion Fury is just sad.
Fuck hunters. Seriously.
>>321190868
fuck you I wasn't even insulting you cocksucker
>>321189636
>that one daily in blade's edge which involved flying and destroying some portals/flak cannons
just fuck me up
>>321191279
The cannonballs had no gcd so you could spam them until the game put them on cooldown.
Wotlk > cata pre-4.1 >tbc > mop > vanilla > cata after 4.1 > wod
>>321191579
>wrath
>good
stop this meme
>>321190591
I'm loving this. You should compose more scenarios like these, maybe of the other starting races.
>>321180339
>>321188713
Didnt say it wasnt, just saying the trend of shitting on lore didnt start in wrath
>>321180339
You think sinestra sucked his dick as part of foreplay before they fucked?
