Thoughts on Muramasa?
Vanillaware are god tier
Good game, but incredibly cheeseable
It got to the point where actually playing was too much of a chore, so I used 3 swords with the sonic spin attack move, and just spammed their special that lasts 20 seconds and gives you complete invincibility.
You just use that attack until the sword breaks, then use the second sword's slightly less powerful version until it breaks, then use the third sword's base weak version until it breaks, and then switch back to the first one.
Racks up 999 hit combos by pressing the same button 5 times.
Its worth a play if you liked Odin Sphere and Dragon's Crown and can find the Rebirth version because it's one of the cases where the DLC is better than the original game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HI8wrk6nQ
I enjoyed it, the dlc the game had were fucking tough but still had a fun time with it.
My favorite game of last gen. And firmly established that 2D games still have plenty of room to improve. If a game of this quality could be made on the Wii, imagine what they could do on PS4 or PC.
Wish the remake was on PS3 and not a dying handheld I don't want.
>default ending is really fun, lighthearted, and fitting
>ending earned after tedious grind is depressing as fuck
Thanks, Vanillaware.
>>321145461
>Wish the remake was on PS3
>Muramasa thread
>Console cuck port begging
every time
Really fun, fast-paced, and fluid combat mechanics, great visuals, cool bosses, and an interesting world. The only real problems I have with it are the amount of backtracking with nothing interesting happening, the lack of playstyle variation between Momohime and Kisuke, and the fact that the combat can be a bit too exploitable. And also that I don't have a Vita to play Rebirth.
For some reason I still like Odin Sphere the best though, despite the fact that it's probably the most objectively flawed game they've done.
Dope as fuck.
>>321144542
got it on my vita, its pretty good senpai.
>>321146309
>Dragons Crown is on both Vita and PS3
>Muramasa only on Vita
>WAH STOP COMPLAINING AND BUY A VITA FOR ONE REMAKE YOU FAG!
Every time.
>>321146076
Not Rajyaki's
>>321146490
The Odin Sphere remake will probably be one of the best games they've made yet
>>321146610
Vita tvs are dirt cheap anon.
You can get the bundle which has vita tv, ds3 controller and an 8 gig memory card for like 50 dollars
>>321144941
Mein negger. Although Arashimaru's campaign is probably the one that took me the most to get accustomed to.
>>321145461
I already bought the game at launch on Wii. They ported it to a system I don't own. And as much as Muramasa is one of my top 10 favorite games, I'm not gonna buy a whole new handheld just for one game. They would have gotten a sale out of me just because I owned a PS3. But I'm not spending $250 to get it.
>>321146610
>BUY A VITA FOR ONE REMAKE
>console cuck
>retarded
as sure as water is wet
>>321144542
Play it on dolphin, on pc
>>321146852
Can't you find a vita for like a $100 now?
played this game on the wii when it came out and I fucking loved it, honestly in my top five, when they started making dlc for vita my heart fucking exploded, vanillaware is based as fuck
>>321147108
150ish is a lot for one mediocre game
>>321146852
It's a shame, I see your point of view but the Vita version is so much better than the Wii version, even without factoring in the DLCs. If you ever come across a desirably cheap Vita I'd recommend getting one, there's definitely more than one worthwhile game on it.
>>321146528
Adult Rajyaki is best Rajyaki
>>321146858
It's a vicious cycle, I politely ask you to leave things as they are
>>321146852
>But I'm not spending $250 to get it
Vita tv's have gone on sale for $20
Used 8gig cards for $10
you already have a DS3
Game and dlc has gone on sale for $20
running total $50
the price you would have payed for a ps3 port at launch $40-50 not including dlc
>>321146685
Yeah, I already have the Storybook Edition preordered just because of how much I love that game. The changes to the combat and levels look great. And you get a straight HD remaster of the original along with it. Shit's fucking awesome.
OS was a sort of clunky, repetitive game with nonexistent level design, but something about the heavier RPG elements and focus on alchemy combined with the story and characters really grabbed me in a way that Muramasa and Dragon's Crown, as much as I liked them, never did. It's one of my favourite PS2 games of all time.
Also looking forward to Aegis Rim just because I can't imagine a scenario where Vanillaware + mecha could be anything but amazing.
>>321146814
Will vanillawaee show one day how Jiraiya and Sunade rescue Arashimaru and snake girl?
>>321147346
It'd take all of them desu
>>321147286
>mediocre game
Nigger I'll cut you
>>321147536
The girl for all the tastes.
>Cute loli
>Sexy teen
>snu su machine
>>321146685
I've never been able to get into Odin Sphere due to its gameplay and mechanics, even when I found the game itself to be very pretty and interesting. I thought I'd have the same problems with Muramasa, but it's combat and traversal was so much smoother and more fun that I was able to get all the swords and even downloaded the DLC.
So the fact that Odin Sphere is getting a similar combat system now makes me really excited for it. I can barely wait.
>>321144542
I actually just beat it today after having it sit on my shelf for a couple of years. I'm just wondering if I should finish unlocking everything or do that after finishing fury mode
>>321147358
You're still asking him to buy a whole consile for one game. I wouldn't buy a whole console just for one game.
Especially since the next Vanillaware game is going to PS4.
>>321144542
It's the only game of theirs that I'd consider great. Odin Sphere was mediocre and Dragon's Crown was okay at best.
>>321147808
>>321146852
Vanillaware wants to port their games to pc.
I'd wait and see if they do that.
>>321147796
This. I really tried ot play Odin Sphere on PS2. But even on Normal, the game required so much alchemy grinding and trial/error junk, it wasn't fun. Especially since the focus of the game was the story.
Every video I see for the remake however looks amazing. Like they are specifically fixing all the problems I had with the PS2 version. Vanillaware is joining Armor Project as the kings of remakes.
>>321147358
This. Just get a PS TV and stop whining.
>>321147808
what does it matter when the whole package costs the same as the game would have at launch?
that doesn't even factor in the dlc the came much later, another $20.
It's amazing how many mental hoops some of you will jump through to avoid playing this game.
>>321147606
The art, music, and setting are nice, sure, but the game really gets boring with how much fucking running around you have to do. Battles will become an annoyance when you just want to get from point a to b, and it's not until you beat the game that you actually unlock a mode that's somewhat challenging and not just mindless mashing
>>321147808
The total price for the PS TV and the game is equal to a current game on the market so there's not really an argument on it being a waste. I'd say you should buy a whole console for one game if it's that dirt cheap, maybe you'll also find other games you enjoy.
>>321147664
Don't think I'm not on to your rhyme scheme.
>>321147808
>You're still asking him to buy a whole consile for one game
a $20 console
cheaper if you get it used
>REEE I'M NOT PAYING $20 FOR ONE GAME
>>321148109
>but the game really gets boring with how much fucking running around you have to do
Learn how to use bronze mirrors. And I hope you aren't a fan of Metroid or Castlevania games. Which have far more backtracking than this game does.
This argument is as stupid as those idiots who complained there was no dedicated jump button in the Wii version.
>>321148035
>It's amazing how many mental hoops some of you will jump through to avoid playing this game.
The original guy said he already bought it on Wii at launch. He already paid $50 and played the original game.
You're complaining that he won't spend $50 to buy a whole new game AND console. To play a remake of the same game he already did play. Your argument is just as dumb to be honest.
>>321148564
>They would have gotten a sale out of me just because I owned a PS3
>They would have gotten a sale out of me just because I owned a PS3
>They would have gotten a sale out of me just because I owned a PS3
hurr
>>321148410
I love muramasa but I really gotta say the areas are all bland as fuck and uninteresting making it a chore to backtrack through them
>>321148564
They also stated they wanted it on PS3 which meant they would be willing to spend that money again. And they can if they bought the PS TV and game for even cheaper.
>>321148410
Bronze mirrors only help when you clear a boss area, they only return you to the shrines you've already been to so they hardly help. Areas have like 5 different maps that repeat themselves over and over with the same 5 enemy types over and over that bar your way most of the time. No secrets to be found. It's an insult to try to even compare it with metriod.
>>321148564
Muramasa on Wii is like 30% of the total game that Muramasa Rebirth + Genroku Legends is. For the record, I disagree with the anon telling him to buy a Vita just for one game even though there's more games on Vita than he is willing to acknowledge
Hey, nice sword you've got there.
It would be a real shame if someone exploded and broke your sword.
>>321148728
>They also stated they wanted it on PS3 which meant they would be willing to spend that money again.
I'm the guy I originally said that. And yes, I would have paid $50 for the game back when it first released. But back at that time, the only choice was the Vita version. And there wasn't Vita TV and all that which you are presenting now.
>And they can if they bought the PS TV and game for even cheaper.
Now maybe. But the Vita is practically dead in the west. Hence why the Vita TV option is so cheap. Its not practical to buy into a dying console just for one game.
Plus, you keep overlooking the elephant in the room. Playing a 520p game on a HDTV. While a possible PS3 game could have been 1080p. And the biggest improvement Muramasa needed was a higher resolution. Which the developers at Vanillaware said was possible. But they still made it Vita only.
You can keep screaming at me about my choices, but as a consumer, I'm free to make that choice. And I'm confident Vanillaware would have sold more copies if the game was on both PS3 and Vita. I'm proof of one of their lost sales. You'll just have to accept that some people feel this way.
>>321149357
>Its not practical to buy into a dying console just for one game.
it's $20
but no one's forcing you to buy one and you clearly dont care much about playing the game anyway
>>321148726
I don't think the areas were bland. Especially considering it won awards specifically for its amazing backgrounds. But then I'm not someone who loses interest in a game just because I have to travel a couple of extra screens.
>>321148860
>Bronze mirrors only help when you clear a boss area, they only return you to the shrines you've already been to so they hardly help.
Or anytime you need to teleport to a previous area. I'm sure you're complaining about the few times the story makes you walk from one side of the map to the other (like from Ife to the Shoguns palace). A bronze mirror will instantly take you to the zone you need to go to.
But I didn't even have a problem with it. I didn't want to skip the EXP or money by skipping areas. You on the other hand seemed to only care about rushing to the next story point. Which the game let you with Bronze Mirrors.
>>321149173
I like that equipment for the DLC characters wouldn't break, it would just deal next to no damage.
>>321149357
there go those mental hoops again
so what you're saying is that you would have only payed the $50 price at launch (plus price of dlc because reminder that it released much later) and not now that there's another option available?
and by the way the game still looks fantastic upscaled. I would know, that's how I play it.
>>321149528
>one of my top 10 favorite games
>bought it at launch on Wii
>clearly don't care to play it
Come on dude. It could be a number of factors. Maybe he doesn't have $50 to spend on a game right now. Or maybe he wants to save up for Odin Sphere remake.
You're really starting to sound like a pissed Vita fanboy.
Fun.
Thighs.
Looks nice, great music, kinda repetitive gameplay. I felt he same way about Odin Sphere. Just got the last ending for both characters yesterday and I'm thinking about getting the DLC, since I hear a lot of good things about it.
Would it be worth it to get Dragon's Crown if I've got a pstv and no way to play co-op with people?
>>321149742
sure the backgrounds were great, I'm not saying they aren't
there's just not much variation between areas beyond the boss zones
and they were bland to navigate, not necessarily to look at
though I know the reason the areas are this way is because of the combat being the main focus and areas designed with platforming in mind would interfere with that
>>321144542
Is a lot of fun. One of may favorite Wii games for sure.
Now if only I was able to experience the other Wii games that I wanted to play.
>>321149971
if 20 bux is too much of a hurdle to play it then yeah you clearly dont care
>>321149742
>>321149742
>You on the other hand seemed to only care about rushing to the next story point
Well, considering that's when the cutscenes and boss happen, the only interesting parts of the game, then yes I want to skip right to them
>>321150030
it's still a blast solo, and you can bring AI party members if you feel like it
>>321147808
Can't you all justemulateit? That's what I did to play it and that was years ago.
>>321150103
Above you claimed $50. Remember, he's buying the Vita TV, game and DLC.
>>321150485
but he's complaining about buying a console
he said he's willing to pay $50 + the dlc
>>321149910
>there go those mental hoops again
Kind of like all the 'mental hoops' you're going through to justify buying a Vita TV and one game?
At least realize you're argument is just as labored.
>>321150608
lmao
my vita library is in the teens
I don't need to justify shit
If I want the game enough I buy it
if it's too costly I wait for a price drop
but I certainly don't make excuses
It's also why I own so many platforms to play games on
because i'm in it for the games
Muramasa DLC elevated it to GOAT for me
it's worth $50
some of you wouldn't know that though
sucks for you
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>>321150608
there's always shit like p4g
Why does muramasa threads end up like this? I swear a thread ended the same way not too long ago.
>>321150906
>my vita library is in the teens
>I don't need to justify shit
So like that guy said above, you're a Vita fanboy bitching more about him not getting a Vita. Not about Muramasa itself.
>everyone bitching about vita 2000 screens not being oled.
fun fact you can make Vita 2000 screens look like OLED in settings.
Go to Settings -> Accessibility -> High Contrast -> Check this box
>>321150998
wow, you really couldn't finish reading the rest of the post
the urge to shit post is THAT strong
>>321150956
Because the same guy who keeps making the Muramasa threads throws a fit any time someone mentions they would have liked the game on PS3 over Vita. As seen in >>321146309
>>321150956
Games which are exclusive to certain consoles will always have threads like this. It's usually people going "wah why didn't they release it on this" or "hah your console sucks."
I can understand both sides of this debate. But the simple fact is, Vanillaware released Dragon's Crown on both PS3 and Vita. There's little reason for them not to do the same with Muramasa. It would have sold more copies, especially to the west.
Let's just stop arguing about it. it takes two to argue so no side is justified.
Does the "Ultimate Edition" Vita bundle ever go on sale on PSN? That's what I've been waiting for. I don't wanna buy all that DLC individually or pay full price. I bought the shitty translation version back on Wii.
>>321151484
They released it only on Vita because they wanted the colours to be portrayed the same way for everyone even though they were obviously aware of the sales they could have gotten on PS3. Since Dragon's Crown has multiplayer it makes sense to just cover as many consoles as you can.
>>321151623
It went on sale last year for 20 bucks if you had ps+.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/14/ultimate-deals-on-ultimate-editions-6-brand-new-ultimate-editions/
I have never encountered a game in which I felt it was just fun to fucking move around before Muramasa. The movement is great, Momohime/Kisuke control like a dream on both land and in air.
Still have yet to get around to the DLCs.
Which is the canonical ending in the main story? Or there isn't one confirmed?
>>321152014
>They released it only on Vita because they wanted the colours to be portrayed the same way for everyone
What does this even mean? The 'color' would have been the same on the PS3. Do you mean resolution?
>>321152317
Oboro giving himself up to revert time back to before Momohime gets stabbed is canon. But funny enough, George has said Kisuke going off to the wild west is canon for his story. he even joked about it saying 'I made the ending so rediculous so that no one would ask for a sequel. Instead, people really want a wild west game now.'
I honestly want to believe Kisuke challenging Buddha was the real ending. But oh well.
This Vanillaware ripoff game is turning out pretty cool.
>>321152638
i mean given how much common blood the samurai and western genres share it's not that silly of an idea
plus samurai western was great
>>321150579
You're either a child that still lives with his parents or a man who hasn't grown out of being a child. Your logical, financially or otherwise, is so ass backward.
>>321145461
I brlieve it has a doenlodable version for the ps3 and there is a vita version
>>321153002
calm down kid
no one is forcing you to buy it, people just offered you advice
>>321152667
tell me more senpai
>>321147435
Did not know about Aegis Rim. Thanks anon.
Question to those in the thread not contributing to above fuckery: I bough the original Odin Sphere a while ago on my PS3 because it was on sale for pretty cheap. Worth it to complete it, or should I just wait for the remake? I'm generally enjoying myself, but it does get tedious sometimes just by the nature of it's flaws.
>>321144542
Honestly pretty boring. Dragon's Crown is a much better game in my opinion.
>>321153114
Vita games can only be played on Vita, even if you buy them on the PS3. Otherwise I would have bought Muramasa and FFTaxtics Remake by now.
>>321153425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABAf25SaVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KlHgtz0Yo4
It was a Kickstarter game that didn't get funded but the project lives on very slowly. Basically they're mixing like all of the Vanillaware games together, making it the most Vanillaware game not made by Vanillaware.
How do they make the food look so good?
>>321153753
thanks, that does look fun, or at least like something to scratch a Vanillaware itch.
>>321154075
It's probably not going to come out for a while, but after Odin's Sphere remake comes out and I smash through that, it'll probably fill up the void for 2D beat em ups for a while.
>>321153863
お酒があればなぁ
>>321153863
When you have artists who can draw backgrounds that look realistic while still in the anime style, food is hardly that big of an issue. Its like asking Miyazaki to draw a poached egg and toast. He's more worried about getting the hands right.
>>321144542
decent premise, but too much backtracking.
DLC seems too expensive for the little gameplay added by it
How does the Wii version compare to the Vita one?
>>321156652
Heard the translation on the Wii version wasn't as good
>>321156652
>>321157028
>>321156652
it's a very liberal translation with a bunch of stuff censored, like you'd expect on a nintendo console
>>321157179
Did NOA do the original translation?why isn't Atlus the publisher of the vita game like they are for like all vanillaware games?
So is there any news on Vanillaware maybe bringing their games over to PC? I think all of their games look seriously beautiful, and I have fun playing them when I get the chance, but I don't really have the money to afford a new console now.
>>321157179
Nintendo had nothing to do with the butchered translation. People need to stop blaming Nintendo for everything.
pretty good but really needs to be emulated
1. looks fucking amazing on dolphin
2. you can change the fucking jump button from being up
>>321153753
Outside of the main character not having a neck the game looks really good.
I so fucking wished VanillaWare had model viewers for their games.
They have some of the best character designs I've ever seen in vidya, but outside of dialog-scenes I get barely any chance to appreciate them.
>>321157383
Nintendo had absolutely nothing to do with the translation, that anon is just talking out of his ass.
The reason the Wii version's translation sucks is because it was done by Ignition, who just didn't give a flying fuck. Stuff wasn't cut because of "censorship," it was cut because their translation/scriptwriting was ridiculously lazy. They also stripped a lot of the personality out of certain characters with a really robotic literal translation of a lot of lines. They did a lot of dodgy translations around that time, and were also responsible for the legendarily bad Arc Rise Fantasia dub.
Vanillaware has actually had pretty bad luck with localizations until recently. Odin Sphere's translation was nowhere near Muramasa levels of bad, but it changed/messed up a lot of the script for no apparent reason and is probably one of the worst translations Atlus ever did during that era.
>>321149173
I hated those kite ninjas. Not because of their attacks but because they would crash Dolphin and make it impossible to finish the ninja dungeon. The trinket from there was the only item I never got. And I have yet to get there on the Wii.
Scaling enemies with your level is retarded
>>321157978
>model
Reminder the Vita version is vastly superior to the dog shit Wii version
>You can map the controls on the Vita version whichever way you want making it 1000x times more enjoyable
>No Expansions aka 4 pieces of DLC that will never ever appear on the Wii version
>Translation is fucked up beyond belief
>>321160592
Or sprites, point is, I want to see them without all the flashy special effects flying around and all of them moving sanic fast.
>>321157978
Better buy those artbooks.Although I think Muramasa is the only game of theirs that doesn't even have one.
>>321147808
>Whole console just for one game
There's a lot more than Muramasa that's worth playing on the Vita.
>>321161721
>Dragon's Crown artbook for sale
>Hell yeah! Gonna get it later.
>30min later it's sold out
I only have myself to blame.
>>321157069
I have such a weird mindset on the wii vs vita translations. The vita script is much better, but I preferred the item listings (namely the swords) from the wii version.
