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I can't believe it, Kojima actually did it, fucking MGS4 is actually better than MGSV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Zp4nwsFA
Even this shit is better than the MGSV ending.But that's because there's nothing like 2 fit old men fighting against each other holy shit.
>>321069038
MGS4s ending is better than any video game ending in the history of video games. That shit is unholy.
MGS 4 is fucking garbage and MGS V is a million times better
>>321069038
MGS4 is like 20 minutes long if you skip cutscenes
In no sane universe is MGS4 better than V
No, people can meme all they want about how 4 is better than V. But V was actually a good game, 4 wasn't.
>B-but 4 had the best gameplay of them all.
Fuck off with that shit, the TPS controls completely broke the game and most features were just throw-away because lol tranq gun, also enemies that insta-alert, thanks Nanomachines.
Mess of a story, mess of a game. The only thing it had going for it was the production values.
>>321070006
We all know that, and it's still better than V.
Besides, one feels like a MGS, and the other one it's just an incomplete and generic open world TPS game
>>321069038
You're either brand new to the series or a complete faggot if you're just now realizing 4 had a great ending. It was always great faggot. And V is good too, that didn't suddenly make 4 better.
>>321071145
Did you even read the spoliers faggot? I did realize how great it was, I said that because everyone keeps shitting on the game when it's actually good, not great, but good.
>>321070768
>buzzwords: the opinion
No respect for people who aren't free thinkers, kill yourself my man
>>321070768
Jesus christ delete this
>>321070006
The game is about 9 hours gameplay and 9 hours cutscene
>>321071257
>Using ''buzzwords'' as a term for criticism
No, you kill yourself.
MGS4 has an excellent ending bogged down by ridiculous cutscene and exposition after another cutscene with stupid bullshit. Only the first two chapters are any good and the rest is shit.
>>321071432
Nice opinion, you must be a professional critic, put a link to your Youtube channel so I can upvote your videos.
>>321070006
This. I borrowed a PS3 and bought the game used and beat it in a 20 hour period, afterwards returning both the console and the game and avoiding the Spider-Man font failure of a console for the rest of its generation.
Why you ask? Because the uncharted series is crap and I have dark souls on my PC
>>321071420
Its not criticism, you are parroting bullshit and you have no idea what you're talking about
>>321069835
Do you mean worst?
The entire graveyard scene was complete, unredeemable trash in every single aspect that was 100% unnecessary. It was probably the single worst creative decision someone has ever made
>>321069038
If anything MGS4 did right is chapter 4, microwave hall scene and the final boss fight. It also has good gun porn, they're modelled really well and there's lots of em
>play MGS4
>use only mk.2 tranq pistol and mosin nagant
the actual final fight for MGS4 was literally everything the series needed, the only way it could have been better is if it was actually liquid, but the whole atmosphere and feeling of that fight was just the sense of the end
>>321071725
Not him, but 5 doesn't really possess a lot features that metal gear solid fans love and so instead ends up feeling a bit like many other open world games that we seem to be getting constantly recently.
abandoned the series uniqueness to fit in with the open world crew
>>321069038
Too bad that isn't MGS4 ending, but BBs lecture about numbers.
The final battle was ruined after Ocelot pulls that stupid fucking "I'm not actually Liquid, I was just pretending!" bullshit
Seriously, what was the fucking point of that? It threw the series entire Snake vs Liquid build out the window because MGS3fags refused to stop sucking Ocelots dick
>>321071917
Fucking this.
The fight on Arsenal gear was awesome, but not enough to offset the graveyard scene, Johnny Rolling around while shitting his pants, or the overuse of " Nanomachines" to explain every thing that didn't need explaining and was just assumed to be super natural already.
Naomi literally reveals she has super cancer, said she was using nanomachines to not die, then turns them off and dies all in one scene, it was impossible to not laugh.
This game would have been better if snake just killed himself and big boss didn't show up
the big boss scene had me falling asleep in how long he takes to actually die
>>321072408
Not arsenal gear.. I can't even remember the name of the giant fortress thing actually.
>>321072462
This
Snake killing himself would have been a great way to cap off Snakes hard life and give him a tragic ending that people would remember fondly
Instead Big Boss is alive for no fucking reason, which shits on everything post MG2, then has the worst written plot exposition ever with that stupid fucking Zero thing and steals Snakes tragic ending so everyone can jerk off further about Big Boss while Snake dies alone off screen because Kojima is a fucking hack
>>321072002
> Fighting liquid who you already killed would be better than fighting the Boss' son and giving that fucking hero some closure.
>>321071519
nice, thanks! Just go to youtube and look up"killyourselfyoufuckingfaggot1987"and click on my latest Witcher lets play!like and subscribe pls
I'm starting to become convinced that people who thought V was a great game didn't enjoy the older ones, or at least appreciated them for different reasons than I did. I mean Grozny Grad was more compelling and fun to sneak around than 90% of Afghanistan, that is a serious problem when all these little base camps littered around become trivial and the only real difficulty and tension come from these big set pieces like the fortress where you confront skull face (forgot the name) or the Huey rescue mission, there weren't nearly enough of those grandiose enjoyable moments, I mean I can CQC a bunch of Africans but who gives a shit
>>321072616
Mount Snakemore
>>321072719
Kojima said he wished he hadn't killed liquid so that he could have developed alongside snake and been the final antagonist.
MGSV is just shit. I don't even have to compare it to anything to know confirm that.
>>321072729
Nome of the MGS games are hard, V is better than 4 and I've been playing the series since MGS1 came out in 98. I think the people who enjoyed MGSV are people who were fine, or at the very least not bothered by the story. Maybe they made peace with the game ending after MGS4. Not sure.
Ironically MGSV's story makes MGS4's ending better retroactively.
>>321072719
Ocelot was a side character until MGS3, which ruined the entire series
Liquid was always the more important one who had a much larger emotional attachment to Snake. The entire fight was built off it being their final battle, but Snake and Ocelot had fuck all to do with each other other
>>321072729
I don't care how big a MGS fan you are. If you enjoyed the complete wankery that was MGS 4, and think it's better than any of the other games in the series, you're retarded and cancerous to the fanbase.
>>321072030
I've been playing these games for a long time, I play 1-3 multiple times a year. The things that have made this series great for me are.
>the general style and feel of everything
>the dialogue
>the little humor
>the crazy enemies
>plots
Let me start off by saying open world only effects the way you play a game, it doesn't do anything else. The reason many games are open world is because it allows for a ton of freedom.
V literally has all those points I mentioned too, it has the same amount of plot detail and exposition its just in the form of tapes this time around. It's a tradeoff since cutscenes are still the shit but with cassettes you can go back any time, listen anywhere, and there's generally a lot more of it. It holds true with the series uniqueness.
The cutscenes we do get are very metal gear in the sense that they're grand, unexpected things happen, what the fuck moments, and its generally very over the top like the prologue and when sehalthropus shows up or when you first see skullface with Huey.
The humor is still there with the box and you can do a lot more with it, you can throw guards around, witness and hear funny shit happening with guards, mess with enemies, etc. Its there still.
Enemies are still crazy with the man on fire, skulls are a ridiculous unit that can dissipate and form at will, have telekenetic powers, and are generally very strong. There was your actual "metal gear" with seh and it was just like fighting ray except more dynamic.
Plot was still as nutty as ever and with the truth tapes, the ending, Paz scenes, and the goat tier quarantine mission it definitely still has a metal gear feeling of awesomeness to it. Making it open world didn't detract from the uniqueness at all, when I read this it makes me think the people saying it never liked metal gear, are new to the series and are trying hard to fit in, or they're just plain out shitposting.
>>321072719
>Fighting Ocelot who is a glorified plot device that you already beat multiple times would be better than fighting your twin brother who has been the main rival since MGS and giving Solid Snake some proper closure
>>321073004
stay the fuck mad, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.NOTHING
>>321073004
stay mad that MGSV is a piece of shit and that even poops is better than it
>>321072729
The problem is you think that V has to be just like the older games for some reason. V is a different game and it still holds true to the series in the end by every account that makes it compelling.
MGSV is a good game that serves very poorly as a MGS finale
MGS4 is a shit game that's basically a movie, and although it serves better as a finale since it gives everything closure, every single bit of closure is terrible and ruins every character involved with nanomachines and fucking retarded plot twists that happen everywhere because Kojima is unable to just write a coherent story
>>321073178
> Fighting your twin brother who has been the main rival since mgs
Didn't you just assume he was snakes chief rival? The guy KO'd at the end of MGS and because ocelot had his hand grafted on you thought he came back to life? Kind of silly, isn't it?
>>321073004
>>321073280
Its funny because people said the same shit when 4 first came out and for a long time after. Face it you're a bunch of parroting contrarians who don't have a single original thought
>>321073347
Yeah we should compare this to Far Cry 3 in which it's just a watered down version of every other open world game. Say what you want about MGS4 being a movie, the gameplay had better variety, better pacing, more interesting gimmicks.
>>321073514
MGSV is a fucking prequel, there was never to be real closure like 4. It just leads on to the events that begin the series
>>321073528
Who else would be Snakes rival?
>>321073004
gamespot gave metal gear solid 4 a 10/10 so it must be good
>>321073653
>better variety
False
>better pacing
False
>more interesting gimmicks.
I don't think octo camo was that much better than mother base but alright
>>321073763
But you are, shit on the new praised thing and complain how it wasn't like the old rinse and repeat. Doesn't matter if you smash your own idiocricy in the process because you'll never learn. I actually liked both 4 and V after I played them since they're both great metal gears that go for different things
>>321073653
>better pacing
If you count 30 minute cutscene expositions every time you sneak 20 meters good pacing, then sure
>>321069038
>>321069835
I agree MGS 4 ending was better and more entertaining than whatever shit MGS V tried to pull out (with the exception of Paz missions and ending)
People claiming otherwise are fucking retarded.
>>321074345
The only thing that was disappointing about V was the fact that we know planned missions weren't released. Everything from Paz shit, to quarantine mission, revenge arc, it was fantastic
>>321073875
what are you 3? saying NO ITS NOTTTTTTT on the playground won't win you arguments. Here let me help you. In the first act of MGS4 you have so many different objectives and more interesting level design tailored to the gimmick items you get along with a frog squad fight and instances where you're in the middle of a warzone?
What the fuck do you do in MGS5? Rescue/Kill/Steal the target in an open outpost where the level design is non existent or the same as everything else. And even when you do get to the LE SKULL MAN FORTRESS you can literally sanic speed through it on a mech anyway.
Camp Omega has more detail and better design than any other base in TPP
OKB0 is a fucking hallway with three large room
Afghan central is a parking lot with 3 warehouses
Yakoooboo (or whatever) type bases are the best bases in the game and theyre 1/4 the size of camp Omega
The scenarios for the missions were also more interesting. The eye and the finger was intense and there was a reason to assassinate/extract them. Why do I even want to save these specialists and prisoners? There is no rewarding story unlocked by doing side ops.
There isnt a single mission in TPP that involves sneaking around a heavily defended base and destroying equipment. You can stand 70 meters outside of a base and destroy all the coms and AA radar. Its like shooting fish in a barrel
Also blueprint missions are sad versions of the Intel Operative mission
GZ does more with less. TPP has so much, including empty spaces and disappointment.
>>321071925
Every. Damn. Time
>>321074875
Oh please, I like 4 too but stop pretending like you need to do more besides run from point a to point b.
>>321072729
I enjoyed the older games for their time but they are terribly outdated today. I would go as far to say that PS1 MGS holds up better in gameplay compared to MGS 2 and 3 where you have to fight camera angles and control schemes. I never cared for past MGS small stealth sections because if you were in alert phase you could just run out of the area with little consequence since there was little continuity between sections (shoot a guard in one area, move to the next and no one gives a shit).
I find that turing off all gameplay aids and forcing yourself to OSP missions is far more satisfying to play than any of the past MGS games. For me its far more enjoyable to navigate through 100% of Afghanistan in V than 80% of the Soviet Jungle areas in MGS3 or 100% of big shell in MGS 2.
>>321074345
No, actually.
MGS4's ending completely destroyed Big Boss as a character.
MGS4 as a whole is probably one of the worst plots i've ever seen in a game, and by far, the worst MGS.
>>321071390
Maybe if you play like a retard. The 5 hour Big Boss ranking time limit is ez as long as you skip cutscenes.
>>321074875
Oh look at this poor boy, trying to make MGS4 sound less fucking terrible than it actually is.
What a sad task.
>>321074968
There's no other exposition to eye and finger except "lol they're bad guys get them" so stop acting like that somehow amazing
>no mission involving sneaking around a heavily defended base
What is the code talker mansion
What is the airport
What is every destroy the heavy infantry side mission
>>321074518
Shinning lights was also a great moment, but revenge? nah that was barely done right mostly because all the interesting parts where poorly done or were included as tapes.
For example, people on chapter 2 on Motherbase complain about Miller going nuts about revenge and whatever but on the game there is no contrast of Miller, you never see him being his old self (outside of the Hamburgers tapes) and without that contrast his "revenge" phase is bullshit, it is only effective if you played PW but it isn't for those that didn't. Ocelot is garbage this game, it makes no sense with how Ocelot is when is old or young. Venom barely talks and he seems more like a saint than a "demon" which makes no sense with the type of story MGS V was going for.
>>321074968
I don't particularly give a single fuck about Ground Zeroes.
It's a pretty base, that's all.
GZ is a cut down TPP that's a fact.
>There isnt a single mission in TPP that involves sneaking around a heavily defended base and destroying equipment
Flase, first mission in Africa.
>The eye and the finger was intense and there was a reason to assassinate/extract them.
Yeah, you want to extract them to hear the alternative dialogue that Kaz gives, just like those missions where you have to eliminate the target in TPP and you can either kill him or extract him.
>>321075271
>What is every destroy the heavy infantry side mission
Literally the worst ones. Armored vehicles with limited gear and no buddy are the best.
Airport is so small and empty and so is the mansion really. And its the dynamic of the eye and the finger. There is so much to that mission its insane.
>>321074968
>It's a GZ is better than TPP apologitic post
Loving.
Every.
Laugh.
>>321075107
>MGS4's ending completely destroyed Big Boss as a character.
How? By showing him alive?
>>321075575
>There is so much to that mission its insane.
Oh yeah, there's so much, like eliminating Eye first, or Finger first, or getting detected and them running away.
SO
FUCKING
INSANE
>>321075575
What about the first mission in Africa, sbeaking through the oil plant? That shit is cash
>>321075376
Revenge is something you may think will serve and make you feel better but in the end doors nothing. It was perfect, do you seriously need them to explain in for hours on end in every dialogue. Holy shit mother base got fucked up, boss got fucked up, they lost everything, it wasn't even subtle.
>>321069038
Yep, i thought it was literally impossible but that fucking mongoloid did, he managed to make something worse then this shitfest.
What you posted is the one and only redeeming thing about MGS4, that it has the perfect final boss fight for the series. Gameplay was way better then MGSV too, but there's way too little of it.
>>321075708
>''OH YEAH SNAKE, LET'S HUG IT OUT EVEN THOUGH I TRIED TO KILL YOU TWICE, LET'S FORGET ABOUT THE THING ABOUT TRAINING VICTIMS OF WARS I CREATE TO USE THEM AS SOLDIERS FOR MORE WARS, YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED EVEN THOUGH YOU DID THE OPPOSITE OF ME, THANK YOU SNAKE, NOW IM GOING TO DIE EVEN THOUGH YOU DISCOVERED I WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE FOR THE SECOND TIME 10 MINUTES AGO''
MGS4 as a whole is a fucking disaster and completely broke everything that MGS built by making the Illuminati villains your buddies from MGS3.
>>321075708
He should have gone down a tragic villain, killed many years ago by his own son due to his hubris.
Instead he comes back with a geriatric Zero who is pissing in his chair
>>321075523
Yeah but the other anon was right. GZ was more politically charged than TPP. I mean you were invading fucking Guantanamo where POW had no rights and were tortured in every way possible to get information. Compared to the disjointed and shallow nature of TPP, GZ makes more out of its themese than TPP ever could.
>>321075575
I 100% GZ and there isn't shit to eye and finger except you trying to get them before they run away, and guess what there's a sure way to do it on hard without breaking a sweat past 5min. The mansion is much more difficult and tactical in comparison
>>321075961
Not really, MGS4 is a fucking shitstain and the only thing it did good was MGO2, and it was shut down.
The story, from the begining to the end, was a fucking disaster, and the Liquid vs Solid fight was the only decent thing, though everyone knew that would happen.
That game should have never been made.
>>321075793
Their guard routines
when they meet up
extracting them
Identifying targets only on photo
not to mention SOP
Sure, to S rank it you grab the sniper from the truck, kill them and helicopter away. But the missions were deep. y u so mad?
>>321075961
Mei Ling is a canon old men dick sucker. Advancing through ranks with nepotism.
>>321073674
>bbbbbut muh closed loop
>>321076014
>GZ was more politically charged than TPP. I mean you were invading fucking Guantanamo where POW had no rights and were tortured in every way possible to get information.
So fucking what.
>>321076148
But MGSV has tons of those missions, done better.
>>321076075
I 100% it too. GZ is better than TPP
>>321076148
>But the missions were deep
My fucking sides.
>Their guard routines
You mean their pre-scripted paths that they repeat in all missions except the main one?
>extracting them
Oh yeah, tranq one, tranq the other, carry both to LZ.
>Identifying targets only on photo
You mean like in all the missions in TPP where you are tasked with eliminating a specific target?
>not to mention SOP
What?
>>321075182
You're using speedrun playtime as a counterargument to how long the game actually is
fuck off m8
>>321076335
No, it isn't.
It's a cut down TPP, and it will be remembered as the scam it was: a paid demo.
>>321076135
What part of "one redeeming quality" makes it sound like i think the game is good? My point is as bad as MGS4 is, V managed to be twice as bad.
>>321075874
That doesn't make sense. The only one lusting for Revenge was Miller and Venom doesn't even act upon it on the obvious target of it because "reasons".
Shit is a terrible revenge tale since Venom (or Miller or Ocelot or fucking anybody) barely does anything fueled by revenge that could lead to a tragic event.
Shinning lights didn't happen because of Miller or Revenge or anything, it happen because Huey was being a selfish asshole again and wanted to safe his ass (again) and even then he doesn't get due punishment (after all the shit he did), there is no sense of regret in the series of an action that you did (as player) that could be seen as "maybe if I wasn't angry or lusting for revenge I could have known better", You shoot your own men but because you are forced by the situation not because you think is the right option first and then realize it was pointless or wrong.
You can have a plot line of revenge without a contrasting figure or action that can serve as a counter point for that story. Venom is that counterpoint but he can't be because he is the fucking center of the revenge storyline and the avatar of the player. It makes no fucking sense.
>GZ was better than TPP
>people actually praising the piece of shit that MGS4 was
That's it, the Zelda cycle has taken over the MGS fanbase.
Don't worry, you drones will automatically start liking TPP the moment MGS6 comes out.
>>321069038
>play MGS
hey this is pretty fun, atmospheric, cheesy and graphics hold up. Way too much fucking forced actions with shit gunplay
>play mgs2
hey they improved everything and took a bold leap to cast another MC, this is great, except what the fuck with that story pacing and plottwists in the last 5 mins
>play mgs3
This is cool.
>>321076148
Your post is bullshit but I will agree that I hate how easy it is to identify priority targets in the game. How the hell does DWolf know?????
>>321076505
GZ does more with less. TPP will be remembered as a barren open world game and GZ will be a cult classic popular for years
PW, TPP and GZ are all abysmal.
>>321076075
What? You can use the fucking Stun Arm and stun everyone in the mansion without a fucking issue in 10 seconds.
>>321076176
Yes, and?
>>321076532
Not really.
MGS4 is the game that broke the franchise completely.
Average gameplay, ridiculously long cutscenes, even though most of it was filler, and some cutscenes were outright pointless...
MGO2 was closed, it's, by far, the worst MGS ever made.
>>321076148
TPP has this in like every mission. Did you not play it or are you pretending to be retarded?
>>321076696
>GZ will be a cult classic popular for years
Jesus fucking christ.
>>321076786
I wish it was popular for things to end.
>FFXXVCII - 2
>MG9
>CoD DYH4
>AvP5
it will never end
>>321076635
Miller is lusting for it while venom is going out and getting shit necessary for it and he talks about it too
>>321076696
No, GZ will be remembered as a paid demo.
And go fucking learn what a cult classic it is, drone.
GZ was popular and is part of a Triple A franchise.
Wanna play an actual cult classic?
Go play Deadly Premonition, /v/ is literally the only place where you'll see people saying that the paid demo was better, and /v/ has no say in pretty much anything.
You will all forget about GZ the moment MGS6 comes out because you will have to start liking TPP.
>>321076236
That TPP did nothing with its themes.
>Child Soldiers
>Lets give them education to abandon the battlefield despite most of them not trusting us
>Linguistic determinism
>lol tapes
>Revenge
>lol tapes
>Zero
>lol tapes
There is not a single theme in TPP that isn't shallow as hell thanks to their presentation, the only exception being the Photo collection for Paz and even then that shit is ruined by the need of having a tape explaining that shit.
GZ didn't throw shit at your face, you had to listen to it and then make conclusions, you aren't told that Paz is raped but you do know, you aren't told that Paz and Chico are torturated but you do know. GZ with its 5 minutes mission did much more to be interesting than TPP did in 300 hours.
>>321076696
>GZ does more with less
Not really, it just made missions out of shit that you find constantly in TPP.
>mgs4 is better than mgsv
J O H N N Y
XDD POOP JOKES
>>321076745
Post a video you fucking autist. Theres guards everywhere including xof in the forestx you cannot just "stun arm everyone"
Thanks for showing me that everyone who tries to say gz is better or V is bad is a fucking pleb though
>>321076786
>muh MGO2
Get the fuck out with this meme. Absolute dogshit multiplayer with nothing but exploits, balance issues and hands down the worst community in video game history.
>>321077272
>GZ didn't throw shit at your face
Because GZ was part of TPP and one of the first missions, you expect to be shown everything right from the beggining?
>you aren't told that Paz is raped but you do know
Oh no, you just hear her getting spanked and her moans.
>you aren't told that Paz and Chico are torturated but you do know
Yeah, besides those tapes of Paz screaming, or Chico having fucking bolts in his feet.
>GZ with its 5 minutes mission did much more to be interesting than TPP did in 300 hours.
No, it didn't.
>I played a two hour demo for hundreds of hours and wonder why I was burned out on MGS by the time TPP released.
If you autistically explored every aspect of GZ's small demo map for hundreds of hours over the course of a year while waiting for the main game, no fucking shit you were bored of MGSV when TPP came out.
>>321077334
MALE TO FEMALE
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>321077116
Yeah but then do fucking nothing. He enforced the idea of releasing Huey, he bring Quiet from the Battlefield, he saved animals, he took the role to put down of their misery to his own men.
Venom is basically Jesus or a fucking mormon during the game.
>>321077272
>torturated
>this is the kind of retard that thinks GZ>TPP
>you aren't told that Paz and Chico are torturated but you do know
yeah those bolts and beaten up faces were subtle I wouldn't have guessed
retard
>you aren't told that Paz is raped but you do know
there's a bomb in her vagina you fucktwat
>it's a GZ is better than TPP meme thread
Can someone pinpoint exactly the moment where Zelda cycle memers took over the MGS franchise?
Or is this just /v/ being /v/?
>>321077504
>I just quoted the game, I sure told him
skullface was cheesy as fuck and I loved him, try again
>>321077272
Oh yeah, let's remember the theme of that mission from TPP that was cut and sold separately: people get their shit pushed in in Guantanamo.
>>321077743
Skullface was literally nothing.
>>321077478
I actually did that and still like V though. Not hundreds of course just enough to 100% it.
>>321077636
The Zelda cycle has taken over every fanbase on /v/
>>321077272
They put a bomb in her fucking vagina and put bolts in Chico's feet.
Yeah, very subtle.
>>321077636
it happens with every game in the frnachise, give it a few year and we'll be able to talk about it
>>321077636
It's /v/ being /v/, all the people who say that GZ is better than TPP in /mgg/ get laughed at, and /v/ is literally the only place where you'll see people saying that GZ was better than anything.
>>321077810
and yet you quoted his memorable lines, anon
>>321077272
All of those points in GZ were told through tapes and you're bashing PP for using tapes?
>>321072727
Fuck off Kronie.
>>321077743
>MY EPIC MEME MAN IS BETTER THEN YOURS
What a fucking retard. Johnny was a side character and established joke of the series. WHOOOO man was the fucking main villain.
Saying it once isn't enough. What a fucking retard.
>>321078008
>lines
One of those was Code talker.
>>321078054
>johnny was a side character
he fucking MARRIED MERYL.
>>321078054
You forgot that a gay vampire that could walk on water and was inmortal was one of the main villains of MGS2 and had boss fights in MGS2 and 4?
>>321077986
>All the people outside of the circle jerk get laughed at
You don't say
>>321078054
And Ocelot was running around making fucking gun hand motions and acting like a massive joke despite the fact that the personality didn't match either Liquid or Ocelots
>>321078054
The side character who cucked Solid Snake himself.
>>321078054
>hey guys I hipnotized myslef into being liquid
>my arm IS NOT POSSESSED HAHA
>>321077572
Then again he isn't really boss so the revenge probably doesn't resonate with him like it would with boss. That and not everyone is a bleeding asshole for revenge, quiet, Huey while at one point aided shit face were proving just as useful to him alive. Also he didn't go into quarantine with knowing he would end up killing them all he kind of had to in the end
>>321078237
You forgot about _______ that had a boss fight in MGSV.
>>321073139
bruh, the game's incomplete. It would've been fine if it didnt abruptly end and have a retarded twist that essentially rendered the game's entire plot irrelevant. think about it, what happened in V that really mattered in the overall storyline of MGS? They fixed a 20 year old "plothole" that no one cared about? Bravo Konami.
>>321077636
I remember they got laughed out when it first started but I've recently seen a lot more of it
>>321078482
Quiet, Sahelanthropus, Skulls?
>>321078482
Vamp in 4 is literally the worst MGS character ever
>>321078189
Yes, the keyword is WAS
They took the joke character who shit his pants every game and made him attractive and shoehorned him into a romance subplot because MGS4 was a joke
>>321078482
You mean sahelanthropus ?
>>321078489
>what happened in V that really mattered in the overall storyline of MGS? They fixed a 20 year old "plothole" that no one cared about?
It's quite hard to make a game change the entire franchise when all the things that happen in the future are already told.
>>321077349
I did it like 3 millions times, go to the 2nd floor near the stair case and you will be in radios to stun everyone withing the mansion before freeing Code Talker. Sure the game will then spawn either the puppet soldiers if you didn't kill all the Skulls snipers or spawn a patrol guard and a thank near the bridge but that doesn't mean the mission is easy as shit. The only hard part is killing the Skulls snipers but that can be done easily with the Anti Material Rifle + Smoke grenade launcher and NVG.
>>321078297
Because Ocelot was so god damn awesome in V right?
>>321078607
So we're agreeing
>>321078489
Wait so you're saying that because of that it makes it not a metal gear or feel like one? The game was cut short by at least one mission for sure we know this but we don't know to what extent , konami are bastards I think we can all agree but that doesn't prove anything that anyone of the shitters I replied to tried to say
>>321078764
>spends half his screentime torturing huey
>he still has time to ruse you
Yes.
>>321078764
He was an actual person instead of a fucking nonsensical meme man caricature
>>321078489
>bruh
Hello reddit!
>>321078015
wow rude
>>321078583
>Quiet
>crawl away from sniper cursor the "boss"
>Sahelanthropus
>PW tier sponge
>Skulls
Lmao!
I've been saying this since forever. MGS4 was the best mgs and much better than 5.
>>321078758
I'm almost positive you watched a walkthrough since killing skulls was much easier than getting into that base smoothly
>>321078971
>Hello reddit!
wew lad
>>321079142
>MG Rex
>move from left to right and shoot the radome
I can satirizize every single boss fight ever made.
>Lmao!
Fuck off reddit.
>>321079142
Sahelanthropus was fun
>>321078947
>an actual person
Holy shit bring in the realism over here boys. This is Metal fucking Gear after all! Let's all forget that this nigga literally meows to signal in his fuccbois when he chronologically first appears.
>>321079142
>sniper wolf
>just use the nikita
>liquid
just punch him
>vulcan
just throw a grenade and later use the nikita
come on nigger I can do that too
>expecting venom to have trouble to fight something when he's backed up by outer heaven
>>321079152
Your opinion is shit and MGS4 is a fucking disaster in every single way.
>>321079142
Sal is the second best MG fight in the series and if you think it was a bullet sponge you either didn't hit its weak points or had under developed missles.
Either way you're shit and your legacy is shit
>>321079263
>counting skulls as bosses
>getting upset when he gets dismissed
Oh I'm laffin.
>>321078716
Funny cause MGS 3 managed to do exactly that
I can't tell if this is the Zelda cycle or if the MGS4 apologists are just getting increasingly louder
>>321079427
Why are they not boss fights?
lol is this the zelda cycle
>>321079142
>mgs2
>just shoot the knees
>>321079482
No, MGS4 was the one who made the changes.
MGS3 just explained the origins of several things, mainly Big Boss.
You can't do anything more with sequels.
>>321079591
It is.
Yes, I initiated the shit posting of this metal gear thread in order to hide its secrets and the wrest power from the powers that be for enough time for me to get into their database. I used you in the last thread as a diversion to the real mission. Acquire the hard drive with the information determining the final whereabouts of the Michelle MtF surgery. Because of you I was able to strike another blow for Trans rights against THE PATRIACRHY. Your mission is finished anon, you were very useful.
MGS4 is a way better conclusion to the series, but the game as a whole is much worse than MGSV. Act 3 alone makes it far worse.
>>321079162
Then you are fucking retarded. Sure you hope on a tank and you reach the mansion without being see by the skull face in a second. Also You have to take them down if you want to have all the tasks done in the mission and they gangraping you 4 to 1 isn't easy unless you figure out the places where you can stand without being pointed by the 4 skulls at the same time. Once you do is easy as shit to kill all 4 of them.
Infiltrating the mansion is easy as shit as well you only have to roll down either through the low part of the mansion and then use the stun gun but you will most likely have 2 or 3 soldiers outside the 90 mts radios of the stun arm. Or you could go to the second floor as I said before.
>>321079738
A prequel can't be a conclusion.
It could only be a conclusion if it fast-forwarded and retold MGS4's ending.
>>321079490
>MGS2 comes out people shit on it while praising 1
>MGS3 comes out people shit on it while praising 2
>MGS4 comes out people shit on it while praising 3
>V comes out people who use to shit on 4 praising it
And by people I mean try hard c.uck hipsters
>>321069038
MGSV was a good game, it just wasn't a good Metal Gear game. Nothing more, nothing less.
>b-b-but msg4 is better !
>they get told in 2 seconds
these threads are hilarious
>>321079776
Bye reddit
>>321079894
Shut up cuck.
>>321079894
Are you fucking serious? MGS 3 didn't meet half the shit MGS 2 got and MGS4 was criticized to hell and back because of their retarded cutscenes and plot, people defending MGS 4 do it mostly because it has some of the most climatic moments in the franchise.
MGS V has nothing going on for it other than tight controls.
>>321079985
I've been playing these games for a long time, I play 1-3 multiple times a year. The things that have made this series great for me are.
>the general style and feel of everything
>the dialogue
>the little humor
>the crazy enemies
>plots
Let me start off by saying open world only effects the way you play a game, it doesn't do anything else. The reason many games are open world is because it allows for a ton of freedom.
V literally has all those points I mentioned too, it has the same amount of plot detail and exposition its just in the form of tapes this time around. It's a tradeoff since cutscenes are still the shit but with cassettes you can go back any time, listen anywhere, and there's generally a lot more of it. It holds true with the series uniqueness.
The cutscenes we do get are very metal gear in the sense that they're grand, unexpected things happen, what the fuck moments, and its generally very over the top like the prologue and when sehalthropus shows up or when you first see skullface with Huey.
The humor is still there with the box and you can do a lot more with it, you can throw guards around, witness and hear funny shit happening with guards, mess with enemies, etc. Its there still.
Enemies are still crazy with the man on fire, skulls are a ridiculous unit that can dissipate and form at will, have telekenetic powers, and are generally very strong. There was your actual "metal gear" with seh and it was just like fighting ray except more dynamic.
Plot was still as nutty as ever and with the truth tapes, the ending, Paz scenes, and the goat tier quarantine mission it definitely still has a metal gear feeling of awesomeness to it. Making it open world didn't detract from the uniqueness at all, when I read this it makes me think the people saying it never liked metal gear, are new to the series and are trying hard to fit in, or they're just plain out shitposting.
I had fun with MGSV.
I just played MGS4 for the story.
Never replayed it.
>>321080013
>call me reddit
>he doesn't have the game 100% and doesn't know how broken it is.
Shit you can roll in front of a solider in fucking dailight less than 15 mts away from them and they will never notice you. MGS V AI is fucking retarded and blind.
>>321080072
>MGS V has nothing going on for it other than tight controls.
We will have to wait for MGS6 for those things to come out.
People said the same in here about MGS4, that it had no redeeming qualities, and suddenly people are finding them everywhere.
>>321079894
>MGS3 got shat on
No fucking way, I refuse to believe people was that stupid. Me and my friends loved it when it came out, hell, everyone I knew liked it at least.
MGSV has the best story written in vidya history..
The artist that did the novelization cried tears of joy during the process.
So stop hating on MGSV you cunts, it did nothing wrong
>>321080237
Those people weren't /v/
People shat on it because
>B-B-BUT WE ALL KNEW THAT SNAKE WAS BIG BOSS THE TWIST IS SHIT
>>321069038
>each stage of the fight represents an installment of MGS
>the final stage is just shitty cutscenes triggered by one button press
IT'S LIKE POTTERY
>>321080321
>The artist that did the novelization cried tears of joy during the process.
Because he retconned Solidus's presidency in it.
>>321080237
This is /v/ ultimate try hard hipsters as I said. All the mgs games are great in their own regard
>>321080321
writer not artist
>>321080505
source?
>>321080231
>People said the same in here about MGS4, that it had no redeeming qualities, and suddenly people are finding them everywhere.
You have to be retarded. The very first week people were claiming the boss fights were incredible, specially the rey vs rex and the Ocelot vs Liquid fight, and the part where you hold your ground while Raiden kick ass on slit screen or the return to shadow mosses and the like. MGS 4 had great moments, the problem was that it was buried over a shit ton of shit. MGS V barely has any moments like that.
>>321080098
>copy-pasta
It's the same problem I have with Fallout 4: it's a good game, just not a good fallout game.
If I'm being called a shitposter for saying that, then that's fine. I have no reason to justify my opinion, as long as people have fun with the video game then who cares, I personally just got over-hyped and did not get the satisfaction I wanted from it.
>>321080630
Read the novel.
>>321080505
What? Please provide link I want to read that fan fiction.
>>321080684
No, they weren't, they were all shitting on the plot and how the game made your MGS3 buddies the fucking Patriots.
> the boss fights were incredible
Are you kidding?
I remember one time where were 10 FUCKING THREADS memeing about the stories of the B&B's and talking about how terrible they were.
>MGSV is shittier than MGS4
>it's still 33% off in literally every sale
Fuck this shit and fuck you Gaben
I'd rather pay $30 for it than $40
Hell, even Witcher 3 is 50% off
>>321080684
Don't worry, MGS6 will come out, and you memers WILL find out good things to show off that game.
Your opinion is completely invalid until then.
>>321080857
I am not talking about B&B. I am talking about the fight with Ocelot and Rey vs Rex, and the microwave tunnel. MGS 4 had a lot of shit going on for it and people love it that from day 1. A lot of other people were complaining about the ending of BB being alive and Zero and the rest of the game in general.
You are retarded if you think shit like "zelda" cycle is actually real.
>>321077272
never go full retard.
>>321081156
>MGS 4 had a lot of shit going on for it and people love it that from day 1.
Every fucking time you brought that up back then people would come out with
>BUT THESE PARTS ARE SHIT
They didn't give a fuck, they just wanted to shit on MGS4, just like people now just want to shit on MGS5.
This is how /v/ is, and how it will always be.
They will shit on the new game and praise the previous one, ALWAYS.
>>321080696
>Can't defend his nonsensical point that makes no sense
>b-but I don't have to prove anything!!
>>321080994
You are retarded. There are good things about MGS V now. Controls. Some Missions. But the hole of the game? No fucking way. The outpost are bad and barely protected. The open world is empty as hell (there are barely patrols from outpost to outpost and never see a tank or helicopter outside of side ops), the AI is terrible, The management of MB is barely better than PW (and in some aspects PW is better, specially when it comes to Morale and medals system), Boss fights are terrible, there are over 13 repeated missions (and only 2 subsistence missions, which is the worse offence, if you are going to that at least have more subsistence missions) including a repeat mission of the tutorial level. Missions are repetitive as shit and the Side ops are the worse offenders of this.
>>321081370
I'm not sure what your point is. It's my opinion, which is already a terrible thing to have on /v/. I'm not going to argue personal taste, unless you're wanting me to argue for the sake of arguing, anon.
If you liked it, all the more power to ya.
>>321081727
What you are saying right now is completely irrelevant.
People will start automatically loving TPP the moment MGS6 comes out.
>>321080237
It had nothing to do with the MGS2 cliffhanger or the rest of the series in general and was basically a James Bond ripoff but with the main character having autism
>>321081837
No. Fuck you you are being fucking retarded. The problems of MGS V aren't going away because times goes on.
>>321075972
If that's how you thought MGS4 ended then you're a fucking retard. Big Boss literally spends 15 minutes saying "Welp, me and Zero fucked everything up for everyone because we thought we thought we were clever little shits. I guess you were the only kind of person who actually had the Boss' ideals figured out and you never even fucking knew her, so way to go. I'm ready to die now, but enjoy the rest of your life actually doing what you want to do for once."
I feel like half the people who hated MGS4's ending somehow managed to totally misunderstand it despite it explicitly explaining itself several times over.
>>321082002
They won't, but people will pretend they will.
Just like now people are pretending MGS4 didn't completely break the franchise, just how people are pretending like the Act 3 or Sunny itself didn't exist, just like how people are pretending the Mission Briefings weren't nap time.
Just like now, people will ignore the flaws, and remember the good parts, because that's how our brain works.
>>321081730
Fuck you faggot, my problem isn't with what people like and don't like its with people making bullshit claims and not knowing what they're talking about.
>but much opinion
Back to reddit
>>321082153
The Boss' ideals were literally
>Chill out with the Illuminati bullshit.
There's nothing to understand.
Big Boss is suddenly good and suddenly regrets everything and dies a third time.
It was a terrible ending.
>>321082153
Also MGS V enforce that reading of MGS 4.
>>321069038
>People actually liked the writing in any MGS game
Kojima is even worse at writing than he is at "directing".
unfinished and controversial as it is, mgsv is easily one of the best mgs games. I was a massive defender of 4, and 4 still has more problems than you can shake a stick at.
If people would accept that "V" means it's a fucking side story and stop sucking Darth Vader dick for big boss they'd realize even the ending is solid and much cleaner than a majority of the other titles. If you're still bitching that this game didn't give you Darth Boss: Revenge of the Patriots, you have your fanservice game, which was mgs4.
>>321082002
>the problems of 4 won't go away because V comes out
Anyone got a link to the translated MGSV novelization? Want to check how much of a train wreck it is
>>321082436
And did I ever said MGS 4 didn't have problems? But MGS 4 is a best MGS game than MGS V.
>>321082534
Thanks for proving our point
MGS5's ending was so shit. Goddamn I haven't sat back and said "what the fuck?" to a game ending in a long time.
>>321082421
This
>MGS1
Escape from New York rip off
>MGS2
MGS1 ripoff with Illuminati/Big Brother
>MGS3
James Bond ripoff
>MGS4 onwards
Somewhat original writing, but the writing itself is terrible
>>321082434
The problem with MGS V story has nothing to do with its tone but with its execution. It doesn't matter what story MGS V is trying to tell when they do it so fucking poorly.
>>321082534
MGS4 was terrible though.
>>321082663
Yes because all the writing in every mgs, every plot detail can be chalked up to a sentence
>>321082349
That's entirely the fucking point.
Every single post-MGS3 conflict was brought about by people misinterpreting the simplest philosophy in the world.
Big Boss didn't realize it until after everything had crashed down on him and he later woke up and saw what kind of world he helped create, at which point he went "oh shit, I'm fucking retarded, Zero was fucking retarded, goddamn, shit, we fucked up"
Big Boss was not "suddenly good" just because he was finally willing to admit he was wrong.
>>321082725
MGSV had Skull Face, he puts all the MGS villains to shame. Guy was a pure genius with shit luck (when he got crushed by Sehalathropus)
>>321082750
Oh yes, its low were pretty fucking low. Still was a better MGS game than MGS V.
>>321082773
But people make such a big deal about the games story, but you can just watch those movies and get much better ones
>>321082314
That's a bit rude, anon.
I could point out that I disliked the FOB mechanics, or how the story cutting short instead of finishing properly (or how the ending invalidated my feelings a few hours ago), or how there was like not many bosses compared to other titles, but it's all been discussed and you being hostile shows that I would indeed be wasting my breath.
>getting mad over my opinion
Damn if you do, damned if you don't, huh?
>>321083032
Not really, I actually had fun with MGSV, no matter it's repetitiveness.
MGS4 was boring to play and the story ended up making me wish it would end already.
Literally no redeeming points.
Shame they didn't make anything else with the bits where you control REX though.
>>321083220
Then you are beyond help. Go enjoy empty sandbox #45 that is coming out next month then.
>>321083032
MGS4 was shit as a MGS game and absolutely disastrous as a videogame.
Not only did it destroy what previous MGS games built, the cutscenes were way too long and some of them were pointless filler, like every single cutscene regarding Sunny.
At least MGSV had the decency of being quite self contained and only affecting small details.
>>321083123
>still trying to backtrack and ignore the original claim that was made
Wew lad
And that isn't an opinion, its an objectively wrong statement
>>321069038
Despite all the padding MGSV is still a longer game with gameplay mechanics that are unmatched even by open world standards. Its only fault is the fact that Konami rushed it. The story line about a nukes controlled by a single man and proliferated across the world is more gripping than anything else in the MGS universe. The underlying motif behind the parasite biological weapon is nothing short of genius. As much as I disliked the cringy jav Kojima parts and the cut content of Big Boss building up Outer Heaven in Galzburg. The game still gets closer to bridging the gaps between MGS3 and the original Metal Gear.
>>321083410
Pull that dick out of your ass, mgsv and w3 are good games
>>321083410
Why, because I didn't like those overly long scenes showing fucking nothing?
Because I didn't enjoy the generic third person shooter mechanics?
Or because I didn't enjoy seeing the side character who shat his pants marry Solid Snake's girlfriend?
It was fucking horrible, and only Act 1 and 2 felt like infiltrating places, the rest were filled way too much with cutscenes and empty places were sneaking made no sense.
>>321083764
>good games
Good goy, go enjoy more open world games! Maybe I could interest you in the latest Asassins Creed or some other crap.
>>321083807
And what did MGS V bring to the table? A fucking boring Open World? Repetitive missions? A shit ton of options you will never use unless you go out of your way to use them?
That shit is for retarded bethesda games, you are paying money to be entertained not to seek your own fun.
>>321084171
Nothing, I just had fun with it, unlike with MGS4.
>not to seek your own fun.
And I was entertained, I have 329 hours clocked in MGSV.
>>321084171
It brought what every metal gear has ever brought but with better gameplay and less scenes in the form of cassettes
>>321069038
>Even this shit is better than the MGSV ending.
What MGSV ending?
>>321084171
I always wanted a operator simulator, but ArmA 3 was way too complicated.
>>321083807
>>321084171
Why are you guys arguing, MGS4 and V are both garbage games and the MGS series should have just ended with 3
>>321070213
>the TPS controls completely broke the game and most features were just throw-away because lol tranq gun, also enemies that insta-alert
Sounds more like MGSV
>>321084460
Nice meme, but it does have an ending.
Don't confuse it with the ending having no build up.
>>321084484
your garbage
>>321083613
>I disliked the FOB mechanics
An opinion
>story cutting short (and not liking that)
also an opinion
>not many bosses as preferred (compared to previous games)
also not a fact
I don't recall stating a fact that was incorrect.
The FOB mechanics existed and I disliked it because it seemed like fluff and a way for Konami to get micro-transactions in a MGS game, the plot (game) was actually shorter than it was supposed to be and I did not like that because goddamn it I want to see what Hideo wants me to see, not what Konami wants to get pushed out to meet a deadline, and the number of bosses (I count 4 unique ones [5 if you include Eli]) and I didn't like that because MGS was known for it's epic bosses, and The Man on Fire was the only one I really enjoyed (Metal Gear Sahelanthropus comes in second because of scale).
Some could argue that all of my points are wrong/stupid and that I don't know what I'm talking about, and that's fine. They just got more enjoyment out of the game than I did.
MGSV was a mess too but it does have a few things going for it.
The only things MGS4 has going for it are a nice art direction and awful fanservice.
MGSV is easily the most disappointing video game experience as a whole in my case. Even as a standalone game it's barely mediocre.
>>321084597
You mean the one that was a video on a blu-ray? Oh yeah.
>>321084473
This, I enjoyed the fuck out of MGSV as a Mercenary game
>>321084387
>gameplay
You don't even know what that word means. The Gameplay of MGS V is garbage. The Controls are the best among the entire series but the Gameplay? Pls.
>>321084703
That's not the ending, that's the final boss.
The TRUTH mission ends in Outer Heaven right before MG1.
That's the ending.
>>321084773
He probably means that he hadfunwith it.
>>321069038
Yeah MGS4 is a better game than MGSV, but I like playing MGSV because the keyboard+mouse controls are vastly superior than shitty controller shooting.
>>321083007
But it's pointless and doesn't contribute much of anything to the greater narrative. It's just a heavy-handed way of making things very literal and easily summarized.
MGS4's ending is fucking awful. Big Boss coming back out of nowhere to tell Solid Snake he's a cool guy (when we, the audience, have always known he's a cool guy) was stupid. Reducing everybody's motivations to THE BOSS'S WILL was likewise very stupid.
Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention could see the connection between The Boss and her speech to Naked Snake and Big Boss's later actions with Outer Heaven. MGS4 doesn't tell us anything we either didn't already know or didn't need to know.
>>321084623
The guy I originally replied to said mgsv wasn't metal gear and didn't feel like one. But it is in all aspects. Fucking moron fuck off back to reddit
>>321085513
But it isn't and your counterpoints are retarded.
>>321071917
Phantom menace
>>321085513
Still talkin' to him.
Does Reddit not like MGSV or something? I don't understand your affinity with it. I has aspects of Metal Gear, it just felt it had changed a lot in order to pander to the lowest common denominator. You don't believe that, and it's fine, I just feel differently and agreeing to disagreeing is not a bad option to go with. Out of curiosity I would like to know what your favorite parts of MGSV are so I can see if I can relate to those moments or not.
>>321071917
Fuck you, BB appearing out of nowhere while mumbling words of encouragement was the tightest shit
>>321085910
>it just felt it had changed a lot in order to pander to the lowest common denominator.
Oh god this! There is a reason why casual garbage reviewers loved this game, it basically panders towards low skilled retards.
Peace Walker's final boss was more dramatic
>IT WONT FUCKING STOP ITS TRANSMISSION
>>321085781
Everything that makes the series is still there just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't metal gear. People who shit on V in this way are plebs
>>321086116
>Oh god this!
Hello reddit. Every MGS gets good review its a good series.
>>321086213
I think PW is mostly mediocre and the story is meh but that's one of the most tense climaxes in the series. It's all still pretty stupid, but it was dramatic.
>>321086116
>!
Back to Reddit.
>>321086116
FOBs are hard af tho 2bh. Not to mention the difficulty with Extreme and other modified levels. Let's not pretend like MGS is an altogether difficult series...
>>321086259
So Having a ranking System that doesn't judge you based on your stealth skills is something MGS always did?
Because the S ranks sure as hell don't stand for "stealth" and rather "speed".
>>321085910
>lowest common denominator
>more buzzword defenses
>muh opinion
>>321086509
Stealth is easy if you take an hour to move anywhere...
>>321069038
the end fight inmgs4 was fucking amazing though
>>321086432
Extreme missions were easy as shit as well. The only kinda difficult ones where the Substance missions but mostly because you had to run all the way from one outpost to the other if you want to do all the tasks as once.
>>321086509
>get perfect stealth
>get ranked on it that way
Depends what you do, there are many emblems to attain
>>321085390
>Big Boss coming back out of nowhere to tell Solid Snake he's a cool guy
They put their differences aside and it was even shown that despite all the nightmares BB gave SS, Solid never hated BB or vice versa. I'd say it was even a semi-fitting ending for BB emotionally speaking.
>>321086649
They were hard to do well. Every MGS gave you the option to blunder your way through each scenario, but if you're out to try every objective and not come off as a total retard and lose your mission payout, then yeah, there's difficulty
>>321077181
GZ is great though and like that anon said, it accomplished a lot more with a lot less.
>>321086116
Like I said previously, fallout 4 was a good game, it just wasn't a good fallout game because while the gun play was glorious compared to previous games, the entire game felt like a fetch quest simulator. I didn't feel like each quest was unique from each other compared to, say, New Vegas. If it had better quests like in New Vegas or even like TES: Oblivion I would have put it as my GOTY. Instead, it's a hollow husk of what it used to be that gave up it's uniqueness from being able to do a bunch of awesome stuff to going from point A, shoot a thing, pick up a thing, and return to point A.
If people enjoy the product they purchased, then good for them, I just didn't get the experience I was hoping for.
>>321086537
I'm starting to think you're the shitposter, anon. All I've heard is "I am wrong' statements even though I'm not hear to argue that, but just to state my opinion. I'm sorry you feel that way.
>>321086641
Yeah but that is the essence of the genre. Taking your time to figure out patterns and the best way to approach a mission. You can go on a killing spreed and alerting the entire outpost and still get an S rank of every mission. Is a shit tier stealth game.
The only reason to go no Lethal is to gain a fucking Emblem and the only way the game regards you for taking a stealth approach is if you go completely stealth and try for a No Trace run.
>>321079340
How to spot shitters that played on very easy/easy and with the soliton radar on
>>321086664
>that despite all the nightmares BB gave SS, Solid never hated BB or vice versa.
So just like how Popeye was always friends with that Bluto grunt of his but yet they become enemies over seeing a hot chick like Olive Oyl?
You can literally swap Popeye for Solid Snake, Bluto for Big Boss, and Olive Oyl for anything war related in that case.
>>321086891
Not really.
It was sold as a paid demo, and it turned out to be a paid demo.
Nice autism though.
>>321086664
"Hate" is a strong word, but Solid Snake was never exactly fond of Big Boss and had no reason to be. The same way he wasn't exactly fond of Liquid. Big Boss was a fucking lunatic.
I can understand Big Boss respecting Solid Snake to some extent (even in MG2--despite his arrogance--Big Boss was polite if not also condescending), but the CQC-hug feels intensely stupid. There's a reason Solid Snake expected Big Boss to want to throw down. Big Boss was a total fucking prick, and his weird change of heart comes off as contrived. Not even Ocelot expected that, it would seem. I just don't buy it.
>>321086916
You post bullshit nonsense and then when proved wrong use buzzwords and your opinion defense. Mgsv is as metal gear as the series ever was.
>I'm sorry anon!
>here is me trying to sound rational and make u look dumb
>jus like my web comics XD
>B..But this is my opinion..surely you cant argue against that?..
Get back to reddit
>>321086916
That's every fallout though, they're all the same shit and exact as you described. You my friend are just a contrarian, you don't sound intelligent and you don't have good taste.
>>321087062
no, the "essence" is to play with skill. I bet you abuse the tranq pistol too
>>321087342
You are the one being retarded. MGS V is the first MGS game to reward the player for being a fucking scrub and suck at stealth.
"YAY MOM I RESCUE MILLER IN 4 MINUTES AFTER KILLING EVERY GUARD WITH MY SNIPER RIFLE AND GOT AN S RANK! I AM SUCH AN OPERATOR!"
>>321087634
>Game gives you a shit ton of weapons like 4 and Peace Walker
>Actually lets you use them without consequences
>>321087186
>"Hate" is a strong word
He was riddled with nightmares in MG2 and i'd say he hated BB cause he betrayed FOXHOUND
>his weird change of heart comes off as contrived
Or maybe he wasn't a total lunatic who wanted to perpetuate war on a scale that the patriots did. Yes, you're referencing MG2, but every other game points to him simply wanting to create a place for soldiers.
>>321087152
I want you to recall the best story you've ever read and i'll give you this same argument you just did
>>321087553
I don't even use the tranq gun and I dislike that you can't go to the field without a single gun and the game force you to have some of them. At least you can disable reflex mode but that inclusion alone should point out who is the audience of MGS V.
>>321087709
Yes but by doing so it goes against the roots of the series. The fact that you can have an S rank while playing like a fucking scrub should tell you that the game doesn't punish you for being bad a stealth, shit the game has regenerating health as well.
>>321087342
I was proved wrong? When? I don't recall anyone saying any of my points were wrong (FOBS, game-length, boss number).
>>321087550
>contrarian
Nigga I'm not gonna spend $60 and not have an extended opinion on the game. I wanted to like Fallout 4 a lot, I really did. Sadly, once I get past all the bullshit it's not what I was hoping for. I don't know what my tastes in video games has to do with anything.
>>321087173
The direction,VA,atmosphere and detail put into the tapes,radio calls,level design is outstanding. The only thing it lacks is the gameplay features of TPP but it can be chalked up to it being a demo as you said but from another point of view, if you added fulton and all the other gadgets, it would make the mission easier which simply doesn't work with 'linear' levels. I'll go even a step further and say that TPP did the same thing with the few linear missions and those same ones are the best in the game just like GZ is
>>321087634
Actually getting spotted or killing guards takes too long.
>doing a mission as fast as possible without alerting or killing is scrubby
Kek stay pleb. Also you can ghost missions all day and get s ranks too and the best emblem but that's too hard for you and harder than any other mg game to ghost
>>321087749
He wanted to create a place for soldiers by perpetuating war.
Liquid Snake repeats his philosophy in MGS1. Even a game as recent as PW corroborates this--the Big Boss by the end of that game is essentially a less aggressive version of the one we see in Metal Gear 2. Sorry, Big Boss was a lunatic. Just like Liquid.
>>321088143
All fallout games are shit that's what you get for buying Todd's latest scam for $60
>>321088278
Yeah doing a no trace. Which isn't that hard to do since you can still use your gun to point down soldiers to the floor (which they will never get up no matter how far you are unless another soldier see them) and abuse the AI blindness to anything that is 20 mts away from them.
>>321088447
That I won't argue. I have learned my very expensive lesson.
>>321088332
>Big Boss was a lunatic.
Warmonger is the word you're looking for, a lunatic wouldn't care for his men like he did when OH was destroyed. I guess its subjective but i liked the way it ended for BB in MGS4 and it made sense in the grand scheme of things
>>321088278
>>doing a mission as fast as possible without alerting or killing is scrubby
Did I say that? I was talking about how the game rewards players for not talking a stealth approach, you can go full Rambo and still get an S rank if you are fast enough.
Mission 30 is the perfect example.
>>321087761
Reflex mode is good because it gives you more variety. Again, MGS was never a hardcore MLG twitch game unless you were voluntarily restricting yourself to make it so
Reminder that Kojima said that there is no such thing as evil in the MGS universe
>>321088779
Time was always a factor in your end game ranking though
>>321088927
Not as much as now. You can go do a mission with your helicopter came down on the middle of the fucking outpost shot down every single person and came out in a minute or two and still get an S rank if you are fast enough.
>>321088702
Caring for his men doesn't make Big Boss less of a lunatic. It just makes him somewhat more sympathetic. The fact he's a warmonger dependent on conflict is what makes him a lunatic.
>>321089159
Right, but that doesn't work all the time, just for some missions, and even so it still isn't the only way to get an S rank
>>321088927
Time factored sure, but this is the first to indirectly reward you for killing. The boost for no kills is pennies compared to what you get for a low time by running through with an rocket launcher and Quiet on kill.
>>321089236
What exactly makes him a lunatic then? He simply used any means necessary to fight the Patriots.
>>321089289
Enjoy that creeping demon score and Heroism loss I guess. The biggest payout still comes from interrogation
>>321089272
Yeah but that is the entire point. The S rank System doesn't work in tandem with what a ranking of a stealth game should work with.
Is like the Style ranking of DmC when compared to DMC series in general. On DmC you could break the system and do a demon evade and then mash square square triangle and got a fucking SSS rank if you caught 2 or 3 enemies with it.
This shit is the same, sure you can find other ways to get S ranks but that doesn't mean the system isn't broken as shit. The game should punish you more for being bad at it.
>>321089379
>>321089236
Correction, being a warmonger and only knowing war does not make you a lunatic either. He was perfectly aware of what he was doing
>>321089379
I just told you. The fact he was dependent on war and conflict and sought to impose his own limitations on the world.
Some people seem to think that his grudge against the Patriots somehow replaces his previous motivations. It doesn't. The Patriots were just the biggest threat to his goals--it's why Liquid Ocelot/Ocelot wanted them out of the way as well. So long as the Patriots existed there could be no Outer Heaven.
>>321089537
Sure it does. You're literally complaining because the game gives you options.
If stealth and difficulty matters to you that much, that's what FOBs are for
>>321089289
I think the point system is 5000 points for No Kill, 5000 for No reflex and 20000 for Perfect Stealth. 200000 for No trace.
The only way if you take a stealth approach and get an S rank while doing so is to go No trace run otherwise you are still too dependent on the time it takes you to fulfill the mission, even if you go perfect stealth about it.
>>321089685
>Some people seem to think that his grudge against the Patriots somehow replaces his previous motivations
I'd say his previous motivations were retconed or were a censor from the Patriots on his real goal. His goal was to make an independent military state/PMC but then it suddenly went to an extreme. Its obviously a retcon of some sort and TPP failed to explain it.
>>321089897
>I'd say his previous motivations were retconed or were a censor from the Patriots
Then you'd be wrong.
The entire series isn't suddenly retcon'd just because Big Boss is your husbando, Anon.
>>321089756
Why do I have to go in fucking MP what MGS always gave me in SP? Stop being so apologetic of that MGS V does something as bad that it isn't even a MGS game anymore.
I mean sure if I want a Rambo/operator game I would play it, but a stealth game? Nah, no when the game rewards me with better soldiers and the like for being a fucking faggot and kill everyone in the base if I am fast enough or don't give a shit and just rush in towards my objective without a care in the world for anything else other than time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T504qClMEhc
>>321090023
I like SS more actually. I'm saying it doesn't make sense going on info based from MGS3/4/PW.
>>321090182
You can still limit yourself in SP like always. MP just gives the most challenge. Besides, do you not have internet or something???
That's what's so great about this game, you can Rambo or Stealth and they're both equally viable methods with their own strengths and weaknesses
>>321090226
But it does make sense, and I already explained why.
And the gap between Big Boss in 1974 and Big Boss in the 90s isn't that big, personality-wise. He's just clearly a bit more radical by the time Solid Snake meddles in his affairs. The story--especially Liquid Snake--doesn't make any sense otherwise.
>>321090023
>>321090226
I don't even know why you'd consider MG2 canon
>in MG2 the world is nuke free
>Suddenly the nukes are back in MGS1
There's the nuclear disarmament in TPP, but even that doesn't make any sense, did DD go and disarm the US/Russia's nukes too? Its fucking bullshit
>>321086391
>>321086213
>ITS GOING TO SHOOT A FUCKING NUKE STOP IT
>YOU FOOLS EVEN IF IT WONT SHOOT THE NUKE ITLL STILL GIVE THE TRANSMISSION
>COLDMANS ASSUMPTION WENT WRONG THE US IS GOING TO SEND A NUKE IN COUNTER ATTACK WHEN THERE ISNT ONE TO BEGIN WITH
>IM SHOOTING THIS FUCKING THING BUT IT WONT STOP
>HELLO, ITS ME BIG BOSS, THIS SHIT AINT REAL STOP THE COUNTERATTACK
>YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE HIM? FUCK NO I AINT RISKING DEATH WITHOUT COUNTER
>GODDAMN IT
>THIS TRANSMISSION WONT FUCKING STOP
>WHY WONT YOU STOP IM SHOOTING A MILLION FUCKING TIMES
>>321090361
No they aren't the only problem with going Rambo to the game is that you may get to many demon points. But that shit doesn't matter since Heroism and Demon points aren't related and you are still rewarded with much more heroism points that still allow you to find more and better soldiers in the future on each mission or getting better voluntaries.
The game isn't balanced enough that will discourage someone from going full rambo.
>>321090605
Even if you pretend MG2 doesn't exist you still find out Big Boss's goals and motivations in MGS1, so it doesn't matter.
>>321090594
>The story--especially Liquid Snake--doesn't make any sense otherwise.
Canonically Liquid never met BB, he met VS
>>321090731
Doesn't matter. Solid Snake recognizes Liquid Snake's bullshit rant as Big Boss's philosophy as well.
>>321090721
>>321090841
>Even if you pretend MG2 doesn't exist you still find out Big Boss's goals and motivations in MGS1
By proxy, not to mention all the disinformation from the Patriots. It was even showcased in fucking TPP how every PMC misinterpreted BB and somehow got the idea that everyone needed a nuke.
>>321090878
>disinformation from the Patriots
Why do people keep saying this? One of the points of MGS4 was that Big Boss was put on a pedestal by the Patriots. They didn't slander him. They did the opposite, to Solid Snake's disgust.
>>321091060
>They did the opposite, to Solid Snake's disgust.
They did it in the time period close to MGS4, pay attention.
>>321091179
That was when they declassified him. But they always treated Big Boss as an icon. It's why Solidus was put in power.
>>321069986
I've been a fan of MGS for years and own an 800 dollar MGS water gun but I'm completely in disbelief anybody can think MGSV is a good game and I'm 100% certain everybody saying "b-but it's good" are either shitposters or people who have zero investment so FarCry is more fun to them than anything with actual substance
I hate you allI thought Peace Walker was infinitely better than MGS5, it's a complete game where design decisions compliment the gameplay instead of detracting from it by making you sit through the narcissist's helicopter credits sequences every fucking time you want to restart because you have obsessive-compulsive disorder and want to play it your fucking way rather than blow everything up like an idiot
I just want to forget MGSV ever happened and the people who actually like it are legitimately insane, I've never been so disappointed in my life and my little brother is a fat gay weeb who hates me so I'm used to disappointment
>>321091494
>It's why Solidus was put in power.
Irrelevant, he was simply another Patriot agent without him even being aware of it.
And they didn't treat him as an icon, they are an AI repeating the same cycle over and over again as evidenced in MGS4
>>321091661
MGSV is my GOTY and I hate FC2+. They're hardly the same game other than DUDE OPEN WORLD LMAO
>>321090878
And no, not by proxy. The key isn't necessarily what Liquid Snake says about Outer Heaven, it's that Solid Snake confirms it as being Big Boss's fantasy. And Solid Snake would know, since he encountered and stopped Big Boss and talked to him.
Or is MGS1 just not canon now either?
The reality is that while many bits and pieces of the MSX games don't exactly apply anymore the gist of them remains canon. There's no reason to think Big Boss' s conversation with Snake was radically different from what we see in MG2. Especially not when Liquid Snake recites the ideology like he's taking an exam and Solid Snake deems it Big Boss's dream.
>>321091661
>through the narcissist's helicopter credits sequences every fucking time you want to restart because you have obsessive-compulsive disorder and want to play it your fucking way rather than blow everything up like an idiot
I feel the same way. I always restarted the mission as soon as I got detected, waiting for the helicopter shit to finish again was tiresome.
>>321091927
No, not irrelevant. Solidus was quite literally the Patriots' pet Big Boss icon. Go rewatch MGS4's cut scenes. They talk at length about how the Patriots systematically wanked to Big Boss.
>>321092138
MGSV is way closer to FC2 than it is to any other MGS.
>>321092170
>And Solid Snake would know, since he encountered and stopped Big Boss and talked to him.
What did he know? All he had to go on was his speech and that he left FOXHOUND. SS was a Patriot agent all the time, how do you not realize this?
BB didn't reveal his true mission, in fact SS didn't even fucking know about the Patriots till MGS2.
>Solidus was quite literally the Patriots' pet Big Boss icon
S3 plan
>They talk at length about how the Patriots systematically wanked to Big Boss.
Zero did, the Patriots corrupted it
>>321092393
okay, but it's still nothing like FC
Far Cry 2 was dogshit and totally unpolished, with awful gunplay, shit vehicle controls and was overall boring.
>>321092328
>>321092482
forgot to quote
>>321092532
You just described MGSV.
>remember all of the fantastic gameplay improvements and sleek interface
>remember the fucking AMAZING final boss fight
>remember how they shoehorned in the literal WORST wurst worrste worst WORST romantic subplot EVER seen in any media: Meryl and Mr. Poop
>remember the overly long and past-its-welcome cutscene that actually bittered the revelation that BIG BOSS WAS ALIVE HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCKKKKK
I'm so torn about this game. For every 4 things they do right they make 1 fucking abomination that grounds all of my good feelings.
>>321092482
>What did he know?
He knew exactly what Big Boss told him. Solid Snake was an agent of the Patriots, but Big Boss was talking to him as a soldier. Big Boss didn't really have a reason to fabricate some bullshit about his motivations when it was still obvious he wanted the Patriots out of the way anyway (after all, you yourself recognize that Solid Snake was an agent of the Patriots sent to topple Big Boss). It would be a superfluous, pointless lie. You're trying way too hard.
>S3 plan
Has nothing to do with Solidus being POTUS and an icon.
>>321070006
MGSV gameplay is 20 minutes long if you skip downtime and filler missions.
>>321093075
except no
>>321093051
>It would be a superfluous, pointless lie. You're trying way too hard.
Yes, but MG2 was made before every other game and thus retcons. My point is it doesn't make sense, its too big of a jump in character.
>Solids was an icon
This was never mentioned, you don't even know he's the fucking president till MGS2, SS would fucking comment on the POTUS looking exactly like his father wouldn't he?
>>321092952
What gameplay improvements? Certain aspects were streamlined and the controls were arguably better, but the level design and enemy behavior were pretty shit.
>>321093430
>Yes, but MG2 was made before every other game
Sure, but MGS1 wasn't. Or is it also retconned now? Is the whole series retconned? No. Stop being stupid. It isn't "too big of a jump" when it was the entire point of his fucking character. Getting the Patriots out of the way was the only way for Outer Heaven to work. It's why Liquid wanted them gone, too.
>You don't even know he's the fucking president till MGS2
IIRC it's mentioned in Ocelot's conversation with him that he's the President.
>SS would fucking comment on the POTUS looking exactly like his father
SS was drunk a lot.
>>321093507
The first one that comes to mind is the auto-camo. It's just streamlining what was already created in MGS3, but it saved about 20 seconds of menu time every time.
>>321094009
To be honest I always thought the camo system was a shit inclusion anyway. MGS3 shouldn't have decided the direction of MGS4 so severely. It even leaks into the story.
>>321093928
What exactly has been said about BB in MGS1? There's the summary of what previously happened and Liquid talking about BB's dream of OH and nothing else. What are you arguing here? There's no reference here about BB's eternal war. The too big of a jump i'm referring to is suddenly training children to be soldiers and chucking them in the battlefield. It simply doesn't make sense and 'hurr lunacy' is a shit explanation.
>SS was drunk a lot.
So what you're saying is Solid's word can't be taken at face value
>>321072830
>do i fit in yet guys ?
>>321094606
>What exactly has been said about BB in MGS1
Liquid shares a philosophy and goals that Solid Snake clearly identifies as being Big Boss's as well. Liquid also says that it was his "dying wish." It's not that big of a leap. Have you played Peace Walker?
>It simply doesn't make sense
But it does. Why aren't you bitching about Liquid Snake not making sense then?
>So what you're saying is Solid's word can't be taken at face value
Oh you. Why Solid Snake didn't recognize Solidus is anybody's guess. But to be fair if I saw someone on TV that looked like an older version of me as President I wouldn't immediately think he was one of my clone brothers. It's an insignificant detail. Either way we learn Solidus was the President in MGS1.
>>321093430
>you don't even know he's the fucking president till MGS2
Ocelot referring to him as Mr. President was a pretty good hint though.
>>321095317
>Why aren't you bitching about Liquid Snake not making sense then?
Cause Liquid was fucking crazy
>Liquid also says that it was his "dying wish."
He never met BB, how could he know?
>TV that looked like an older version of me as President I wouldn't immediately think he was one of my clone brothers
He looked EXACTLY like BB, not to mention the age too.
> It's an insignificant detail. Either way we learn Solidus was the President in MGS1.
Its a fucking huge plot hole. We just hear the mention of Solidus and that he's the president, not that he's a clone of BB.
>Have you played Peace Walker?
He gives a speech about selling their services for money, pretty huge leap to MG2
>>321095865
>We just hear the mention of Solidus and that he's the president, not that he's a clone of BB.
https://youtu.be/qm_lxeQ6PmM?t=1m2s
Please just listen to the fucking phone call again. It is a minute long.
>>321095865
>Cause Liquid was fucking crazy
Just like Big Boss.
>He never met BB
I don't think we know that for sure. Admittedly, nothing about Liquid's relationship with Venom really matches what he says/how he acts in MGS1. But regardless he had to have come up with this Outer Heaven bullshit from somewhere. Not that Venom was all that different ultimately anyway.
>He looked EXACTLY like BB
I don't know what to tell you. This has been a weird thing since MGS1. Everybody already knows.
>It's a fucking huge plot hole
It isn't, really. I agree it's odd, but it's not that significant to the plot.
>We just hear the mention of Solidus and that he's the president, not that he's a clone of BB.
False.
>pretty huge leap to MG2
Not really. In PW he commits to living for war independent of ideology and national interests. The difference is that in MG2 he takes a more active and less passive stance. It's far from unbelievable.
Here's Ocelot's dialogue from MGS1, by the way:
>I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that you were the third one... Solidus.
And then he proceeds to refer to him as "Mr. President."
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