>A fresh i5 PC with a used 280x is less than $500
>..the price of a $300 console, $60 online, and a few games.
>PC games are cheaper
>a used-price $350 PC is playing games better than the PS4, some at 4k
>DaSII at 4k60.
https://youtu.be/uZR-a35sxLg?t=12m56s
>GTA V at 4k30-60.
https://youtu.be/DH6FCgqQB_s?t=6m8s
>MGS V at 4k30.
https://youtu.be/hPq_nEskCiQ?t=4m56s
>Console killer
>He thinks consolefags care if something is objectively better
>Implying they weren't always retards that will buy whatever has the most advertising
>>320962415
/thread
>>320962415
It doesn't have to replace consoles to be a console killer for whole demographics
>>320962204
>literally a poorfag machine
>>320962624
>i can overpay for items, so they're better
>>320962669
>buying a decent PC instead of a meme pc with used parts that will be obsolete in a year is "overpaying"
>>320962204
>console killer
>has no good games that have come out in the past 10 years
Why build a PC? So that you can play Heroes 3 in 4k on 16 monitors?
>>320963003
prebuilt, used i5 PCs are like $250
it may seem like original-gen i5s are all in that price range, but that would be inaccurate
>>320963096
>buying used PC parts
>especially CPU and GPU
>ever
that's like buying used underwear
>>320963003
>used parts that will be obsolete in a year
>playing games at 4k
>playing games better than the PS4
>becoming obsolete
>>320962204
>building a computer for $350 just to beat console counterpart hardware
that's fucking retarded.
>>320963472
Games will always run on the consoles because they're getting gimped. Good luck running any new PC game on Ultra 1080@60 even with an $800 build from 2 years ago.
>>320963729
>Good luck running any new PC game on Ultra 1080@60
>relevant
Also, DX12
>>320963837
le moving goalposts face
>>320963956
>implying
>building a low budget PC with used parts
might as well get a console at that point, poorfag. That at least has warranty and will be able to run shit in 5 years.
>>320964043
The failure rate of consoles is greater than that of PCs. It's not even as if they're probably cooled well.
>>320964142
>The failure rate of consoles is greater than that of PCs.
>>320964404
Are you new?
>We got this part for free :^), so the total is of course $0!
>$15 dollar PSU using coupons no one else will have
>$356 when a console is now $290, and every other part is used, despite not comparing it to a used console
>no input devices (mouse, keyboard, gamepad)
>conveniently hides the framerate when the console counterpart is superior
>somehow 'doesn't notice' GZ is 60fps on PS4
>this game is just worse because it's a bad port!
do people outside of r/pcmasterrace take this build seriously?
Not only is it insanely difficult to replicate, but I really hope people actually saw this and were stupid enough to believe it and try it
Consoles have their place in being a somewhat reliable (forgetting the 360) and accessible cheap price / performance dedicated gaming machine. If you try and build this shit you will have a bad time. If you're going to build a PC get decent hardware
>I build a 350 and struggle with settings and gimped performance over time instead of buying a PS4 and not having to worry about anything instead
Why the fuck would you do this? If you can't at least afford a 1000€ system just get a fucking Xbone/PS4.
>>320963729
The point is that the settings are comparable to or better than consoles, not to run at ultra you autistic faggot.
>>320964142
You honestly believe second hand pc parts are going to be more reliable than a new console?
>>320962204
Why is it so hard for PC faggots to accept the PS4 does everything you'd want in a gaming machine for 300$ and the world is cool with that?
>used
kill yourself
>>320964701
A PC that can run games at console specs is inferior to the console it's trying to copy if they're both the same price. You can get a console + controler + 1-2 games for $350, which is a much better vaule proposition than a low budget PC with used parts and no peripherals.
>>320964572
>>We got this part for free :^), so the total is of course $0!
Nope.
>not getting an i5 2500 Dell and putting a GPU and PSU in it
Some apparently come with KB+M and monitor as well.There's a DaS meme that should probably go here.
>>320964675
>>320964810
>>320965051
>PS4 doesn't struggle
>plays most games at 30FPS, maybe 1080p
>Ass Creed
>Batman
>Bloodborne
>Destiny
>Drive Club
>FO4
>Far Cry 4
>GTA V
>Infamous
>JC3
>Mad Max (a game known for its optimization)
>Need for Speed (a game on the Frostbite engine, known for its optimization as well)
>etc. (http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates)
>>320964572
That's only true when a console first releases... Also twice the perf is bullshit. There is no objective measure for that. If you're going on computing power than the PC almost triples a consoles...
>>320964404
>>The failure rate of consoles is greater than that of PCs.
That only applies to the 360.
>budget gaming
shitty concept, no better than consoles
>>320962204
>used PC
Is this even real life anymore
>>320964810
it can't
-do BC
-play online for free
-run games at a steady 60fps
-use a mouse and keyboard
-allow me to mod my games
-play my weeb H games
>>320965101
For the price you pay for a prebuild i5 2500, you might as well get one of those cheap amd + mobo bundles from microcenter. Those are brand new and they're better than the i5 2500.
faggots just save up a grand or so, then atleast you can get an actually decent PC
Also, why the fuck do people care about what platform people play their games on? Its pretty pathetic
Ps. attached a sweet ass picture of an attack helicopter
>>320965223
>used means bad
>>320965672
>amd
enjoy not being able to emulate
>>320965672
>amd
No.
Cherry picked picture, btw.
>>320965445
Free online is fucking terrible. Paid online keeps hackers and BRs out. This is a fact.
>>320965690
>a grand
This board is so casual.
>>320965891
Who's going to tell him?
>used parts
Hurr durr. Used consoles are cheaper as well. Retarded comparison.
>>320962204
>console killer
Oh wow, you get PS4/WiiU exclusives when you build that PC now?
Man, congrats
>>320965945
is this implying 4 way crossfire on fuckin 280x's?
>>320965891
>money keeps "cheats" out
>m+kb on probably any competitive game on consoles, for the price of a game
>>320966031
Oh yeah I mean I can't tell you how many hackers I see when I play BLOPS3 on my PS4. And all those BRs and Ruskies too.
Meanwhile I've never seen a single hacker/BR/cyka in a match of CS:GO or DOTA2 on my superior STEAM network!
>>320965945
that's a good deal but I'd quickly sell that rosewill and pick up a corsair, which shouldn't cost that much more(at most $30-40)
there's no way I'd ever trust a rosewill anything that's not a fan, mouse or keyboard.
>>320966150
>implying used PS4s can play at 60FPS or 4K
>>320966175
No, just price consistency.
>>320966205
>Things that don't even work and are utterly pointless unless you want to use an Xbone controller on your PS4 ripping shekles from PC mustards who blame the console for their shit skills.
I love you guys. I'm so worried about, "rapid fire" in BLOPS3, lemme tell you.
>>320962204
>>320962415
>>320962465
>>320962575
>>320962624
>>320962669
>>320963003
>>320963086
>>320963096
>>320963363
>>320963472
>>320963559
>>320963729
>>320963837
>>320963956
>used pc parts
>ever
i rather be a consolefag than sink this fucking deep
>>320963837
What's up with DX12? I lived in a cave for the past year.
>>320966519
>>Things that don't even work
I had an XIM3 for playing the 360 with a mouse and keyboard and bombed the shit out of Black Ops 1 and other games.
They're well documented.
>320966793
Thanks for the (You), too bad you're not getting one, attention seeking whore
>>320962204
>AMD
>you can get this PC at the same price at this PS4!
>but your drivers will kill the gpu!
>>320966867
I'll take things that never happened for 400, Alex.
Not only does COD specifically check and block for these things since forever, you'd get banned off Xbox Live within a day. You really think there hasn't been Mouse and Keyboard adaptors/controllers for online play since online FPS on consoles has existed.
Will Pcucks ever stop being eternally butthurt over the existence of consoles?
Maybe go make another petition to take your mind off it.
>>320967216
>that implying
Just no.
>>320967216
The popular streamer Juicetra, IIRC, uses an XIM on PS4 or whatever.
>>320965945
>LOGISYS
>750w
enjoy your house fire
>>320967309
Never.
Consoles have no reason to exist other than exclusives, which shouldn't exist in the first place.
Why don't PCucks take the mouse + keyboard + monitor into account as well?
...Those 200-series radeons on ebay that are going for surprisingly cheap are doing that because they were being run at 110% load doing bitcoin mining for months, the sellers know the cards are on their last legs so they sell them off to dumbass teens like the ones on here and r/buildapc.
I thought this was common knowledge but whatever.
>>320968036
Okay TB go back to complaining about 60 FPS and cancer.
>>320968084
Would hurt their argument?
>>320968084
Because these "console-killer for $384.27!!!!" builds are always predicated on ignoring stuff like that, begging you to get used parts, and usually reusing a component or two from a previous PC so they don't have to include it in the total.
>>320968084
cause they're retarded, just like the idea of a budget gaming PC.
>>320968084
Because no one takes the tv, sound system, and controllers into account.
>>320968084
>>320968243
>>320968289
>>320968145
Why do consolecucks never take into account the price of a TV and extra controllers.
>But everyone has a TV
>>320962204
>buying potato machines
why not just buy a mid-high end PC instead? you'll save money thanks to the cheaper games and no paid online anyways
>>320968084
you could literally get a mouse and keyboard combo for less than $10, and if you're too poor to afford a monitor, that's what televisions are for.
>>320968317
>controllers
Yes they do. Controllers always come with the console.
>tv
Aren't generally bought for consoles, while "gaming monitors" are a thing.
>>320968317
>need a sound system
>need a controller when it comes bundled
>not owning a tv
I never bring a monitor into discussion, because a PC can run through the TV, but a mouse and keyboard are essential.
>>320968397
The controllers that come with the consoles are like $50 a pop.
If you wanna play the hunting-for-used shtick, we could find PS4s being sold on ebay without any controller/hookups (y'know, like these shitty builds that keep getting posted) for like $250. Got any builds for that much?Don't forget to include a wi-fi card, since we're suddenly so focused on this being a 1:1 comparison and all.
>>320967309
Maybe sonycucks like you should make another falseflag petition to vent your assmad. Try that kojima one you cucks made a week ago again?
>>320968397
>look at this literal barebones rig guise, all you need to beat consoles
>why do consolefags never take extra controllers into consideration???
What the fuck king of logic is this?
>>320968084
what the fuck are you on /v/ with?
>>320962204
>buying used computer parts
Do you dumpster dive for your clothes too? Fuck off with your hobo shit.
>>320968397
>extra controllers
barely anyone needs those
>>But everyone has a TV
yup
not even console player desu, but low end gaming PCs are fuckretarded
>>320962204
Check this out
You can rent ps4 games
1 week for 8 dollars
>>320968618
Phone? Laptop? Tablet? A fucking wii can browse the internet you dumb shit.
>Posting almost a year old videos
>>320968097
>>320968690
Mining hasn't been viable for quite a bit, especially not with 280x level cards. That's also a tiny market; and there are still fucking 8800s on ebay. That's no implication on their survivability.
Let's be real:
Games will ALWAYS be created with consoles in mind. They will be optimised for consoles. If that PC even lasts long enough to see a decline in quality, it definitely will see a decline.
I find it impressive that a build this cheap can run games at that quality, but it's literally nothing more than a novelty.
>>320968827
>Mining hasn't been viable for quite a bit
Which has no bearing on people being stupid enough to do it anyway.
>especially not with 280x level cards
See above
If you think these guys are selling these $230 graphics cards on ebay for $100 off because that's how much a graphic card depreciates from normal use then I have a lot of things I want to sell you
Used PCs are pretty good, built a second machine with a q6600 + 560 ti for less than 150$, shit runs game pretty nicely too.
I think comparing to a console is pretty useless though, I never found any appeal to a console and I doubt that those who do enjoy pc building.
>>320968097
>> >>320967103
Nvidia cards aren't for that, and the prices are the same for them.
>>320968572
>without any controller/hookups
>controllers are like $50
Sorta defeats the purpose of that idea.
>> >>320968618
>>320968694
>M+KB is $16ish
>even replying after getting BTFO
>>320969000
>> >>320969037
Nvidia cards. Mining point is irrelevant.
Inb4 >but they might
>>320969037
>Nvidia cards aren't for that, and the prices are the same for them.
No they're not. The 280x's equivalent is the 770 and those are all still like $230 used as opposed to $140.
>>320969194
>>2 clicks on ebay later
>>320969037
>M+KB is $16ish
>even replying after getting BTFO
Getting BTFO? How exactly? The build already exceeds the cost of a consoles (a new console at that, compared to a PC) so let's just add that $16 to the additional total, ok kiddo? Now it's $366. I wonder what we'd do about games that practically require a controller, bet we're not considering that in the budget either, right? But let's just say it runs Dark Souls better than consoles on a M+K anyway, because FPS and res are all that matter.
Let's also not consider the fact that used parts are not a set price and this build would be impossible for most people to replicate. Let's also consider that buying each of these parts for the best price would take time, unless you're willing to spend more for parts which would defeat the purpose. Can literally go out and pick up a PS4 tomorrow.
>>320967216
I used to use a different brand, but the same device on my PS4 for Advanced Warfare. Consistently came top of the leaderboard, so much so that I sold it on Ebay because kb+m + console aim assist = ultra babby mode.
If CoD is "scanning" for these things like you claim, they're doing a terrible job. Also nothing in Xbox or Playstations usage agreements forbid the use of these devices.
>>320968084
1. this video takes m/kb into account, add $10 to other builds if you're that anal
2. consolekids never take the tv into account
>>320969538
The $350 price was with the original PS4 launch. Prices are reduced.
>> >>320965101
[Pic relevant]
>>320962204
>usedf parts
>still more expensive than PS4
PCucks are retarded I swear.
>>320969772
$350 was the price of a used PS4 for that video.
Used PS4s are still pretty large, but it comes to the point that if ~$300 isn't affordable, they should probably not be playing games.
>>320969538
>let's just add that $16 to the additional total, ok kiddo? Now it's $366.
they include m/kb in the budget though. did you even watch the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg&feature=youtu.be&t=5m09s
>>320969973
>ignore every other point in favour of $10 being added
>>320969538
>>320970113
>DaS
>What is mousefix / DaSII
>parts prices
..Reduce and become more available as more upgrades are purchased up through a limit. That limit hasn't happened yet. Where it does, there are better items for that price.
I don't understand how a grown adult can't afford a PC.
Embarrasing really. There's no debate to be had over quality of games. The only justification is you can't afford it.
The act of comparing items bought used to a new console that's a set price is idiotic in itself. I could get a 970 or something from someone desperate to sell or without knowledge of its price, doesn't mean the overall cost would be comparable to the PS4 based on averages in the slightest, because others can't achieve the same.
>>320970489
>The act of comparing items bought used to a new console that's a set price is idiotic in itself
>> >>320969682
>8 posts up
Proficiency.
>>320970376
>Thinking playing DS with a mouse is ever better
>"as more upgrades are purchased"
What? Are you suggesting that you'd spend more money on this build after buying it? Sounds like that, but that would defeat the purpose of the comparison entirely.
>>320969937
I can get used PS4 for 150$ so yeah, video is retarded justication attempt for Petition Collector.
>>320970616
Nope.
Why do parts become available? They are replaced.
>>320970569
Was there a point somewhere in your reply? Did you even understand my post?
>>320962204
>PC
>Specs
Kek, what specs do I need to play old JRPG and VNs on a PC?
I'd rather play on muh Vita for the weab games
>>320970701
That you have no clue where the listed prices are from.
>>320970824
How can you not have the money for both a gaming PC + handhelds? It's the best combo this gen.
>>320970862
What listed prices are you even talking about? Where did I claim to know where these prices came from? Did you even read my post?
>>320970650
>I can get used PS4 for 150$
>>320971154
Where it says "new PS4".
>>320971214
Yes? Your point being?
Items bought from a store, new are at a set price, unless on sale. Comparing them to items bought second hand at incredibly varying prices is idiotic. I blatantly said this.
Are you fucking stupid? Can't you understand this simple point?
>>320962204
>a used 280x
>used parts
>>320970978
>How can you not have the money for both a gaming PC + handhelds? It's the best combo this gen.
I do, but its a gaming PC that I built like 4+ years ago.
Though I found out that I really didn't need to upgrade since I played mostly on imported console/handheld with the exception of VNs and multiplayer games to play with friends(League, Doto, Hearthstone, Killing Floor, etc)
>I want to kill consoles
Why though?
>>320971439
Not to mention varying quality.
>old as fuck parts
>you'll need to change everything if you want to upgrade
waste of money
>>320971613
>upgrade
Oh no, this is a console killer. Consoles don't need to be upgraded, so for the span of this generation, neither does that build.
how come you fancy console fuckers dont ever include the price of a tv when im buying a console?
>>320971753
Because we got a free crt TV from craigslist, we include this in the budget :^)
>>320971753
Because traditionally, people that buy consoles have done so without having to pay for the tv, since they bought them when underage.
>>320970978
Can I play Personaa 5 on a PC?
>>320972754
depends
on how fast can they finish the ps3 emulator
>ancient parts
>used parts
>4 GB RAM
A PC that shitty will have trouble playing games that are already released
>but it plays these cherrypicked games just fine
sage
>>320965945
>130 bux for a 280x
God this shit is so unfair, why does a second-world country like mine have to charge 300 bux for a 280x, when 'mericans get it for over half of the price...
>>320962204
But I bought my PS4 for 1 dollar.
>>320974387
blame your government m8
>>320974387
That's not correct, a 280x is $200 USD or more
this stupid "potato masher" shit recommends you buy used parts to save money
>>320962204
>tfw trying to put together first build ever
>aiming for around 400€
>choose CPU and mobo
>already 360€
Fuck.
I wish I didn't buy one of those small factor PCs because I can't reuse any of its parts now.
>>320974827
>used parts
>doesn't include price of keyboard and mouse
>doesn't include price of Windows license
>brand new 8th gen consoles come with an OS and a controller
The thrift olympics they did for this argument are astonishing.
>>320966793
Pls elaborate.
>>320962204
This is fucking retarded.
PC has many advantages over consoles. Price of the machine itself is not one of them.
Fucking give it a rest faggots, if you are going to build a PC at least do it right, without cannibalizing parts or skimping on important components.
>>320974778
Not a br tho, just overpriced for ex-yugo countries. And stores love to raise prices too much. It's like they order the stuff for retail price from america and have no distribution center for southeast europe. Which is probably the case.
>>320966804
It's a windows 10 exclusive so don't bother.
>>320966804
new low leve API based on mantle, allows for more drawcalls and gives all the power to the devs and not card vendors.
Aside from drawcalls and lower CPU overhead, meaning more shit on screen it also enables some interesting things like combining GPUs from different manufacturers, sharing VRAM pools, making 2 4gb cards work as 1 8gb card, allows for split screen rendering at the same time, meaning better FPS with no stuttering, basically multi GPU solution might become viable. Also improves parralelization, game will use all CPU threads you have.
There are some other interesting tricks, like using your iGPU to help your beefy dGPU. Devs trying out new ways to use it as we speak.
>>320971439
The only mention in the OP of new parts are a PC for $500. The $350 video was the price of a used PS4, when it was set up.
If you're trying to nitpick used prices now, there are obviously alternatives, and already listed as well:
>>320965101
>>320971453
I would get rid of aim analog sticks
>>320972996
>ancient parts play games better than the PS4
>>cherrypicked
There's a whole channel with videos showing performance. The only games that perform worse than the PS4 are games that were fucked at launch, specifically Batman and Blops 3.
>>320974387
Can you not just get shipping?
>>320975147
>> >>320965945
Newegg combos.
>>320975623
If that's about the $350 PC, it does include K and M. There's already a quote in this very reply about getting better *and* cheaper than that, but also with Windows.
>>320978458
Not from 'merica to yurop, there's taxes for that shit. Importing from germany's bit cheaper but not by much. Still, never actually ordered anything online, shit spooks me a little, don't know the intricacies of it.
>>320974387
Nah, those are used.
A new 280x is still ~$160-$200.
I got mine new for $180 in 2014.
Honestly, I'm surprised at how well it runs some games.
I can even pull off 4k30 in GTA V on very high settings (with post FX on high).
Webm related.
>>320978790
Well, it's pretty close strength-wise to a 290, so you're set for a while when buying it. Especially if you're not going 4k. It's a very good bang-for-buck card.
>>320978790
>fxaa with downsampling
>>320979081
>Using anything aside from either FXAA or no AA when downsampling from 4k
>2015
>>320979232
No AA would be the idea. FXAA is blurry.Or setting 2x-ish in the control panel.
Will never understand why PC gamers try and build these 'console killer' machines. Who are they trying to convince? Most people who get a console get one because they want a console.
And you get what you pay for, spend an extra few hundred bucks and get a better machine. That's how the market works. PCs are top-of-the-range when it comes to gaming so why should price compromise? It's like if Bugatti started making really shitty quality Veyrons just to appeal to the wider market.
>>320978790
GCN cards just keep on giving. DX12 will improve them even more, because AMD DX11 drivers are kinda shit and GCN doesn't bound well with DX11 serial nature.
Really happy with my 290X.
>>320962204
does it really matter if poorfags stick to console
I mean, obviously they're stupid if they think a console experience is cheaper. Since they're stupid, they're poor too, which is why they're stupid and why they're poor and so on. Let them waste what little money they have and be stupid.
telling a poor dumb console gamer that PC gaming is cheaper is like telling a chronic gambler that lotto tickets are a waste of money. There's no convincing them, stop trying. The ones that want to convert will ask for help, nobody is going to switch by you throwing an overabundance of tech information at their stupid heads all at once.
>>320966153
Dem sweet 720-900p @ 30 unstable fps.
Congrats indeed.
>>320966793
>i rather be a consolefag than sink this fucking deep
Agreed, buying a used component is a huge gamble
>>320965157
>That's only true when a console first releases...
No? It's true later in the generation. When the Xbox 360 came out the 7800GTX outperformed it in many games but fast forward 3 years and the 7800GTX couldn't play anything.
>>320980360
It couldnt? Seems to me it could keep playing the games it was playing. In fact, it played sc2 when it came out no problem.
>>320978458
>Newegg combos
Not Murrican. Fuck amazon and their prices.
>>320980515
>it could keep playing the games it was playing
It could barely play Oblivion in 2006 and GTA IV was horrible on it even compared to the 360.
>>320966218
>expecting hackers on a new game
>>320967216
cod doesn't check shit, my BLOPS 2 screenshot on the 360 is me fucking boosting and I was never touched
>>320962204
console players dont give a fuck about any of this, they will ride the 'it just works' and my 'normie friends' all have it to end, deal with it.
>>320967216
I'll take things that NEVER happened for 800, Alex.
I was using some weird joystick + Mouse combo on BLOPS 2 and never once got banned for it.
>>320979739
>And you get what you pay for
Not really, and this is exactly what's being shown. Similar priced PCs are way better than consoles.
>>320980828
Previous consoles had development mastery. Consoles now are just x86.
>>320981465
>>320982570
>>320968036
TB I am telling your wife to block 4chan on your browser
>>320982653
>>320982473
>Previous consoles had development mastery. Consoles now are just x86.
That's not even true, both consoles utilize low-level graphics APIs that developers haven't even scratched the surface of, and the PS4 in particular has a lot of potential in the form of asynchronous shading and compute.
>>320983232
>both consoles utilize low-level graphics APIs that developers haven't even scratched the surface of
That's not how APIs work.
That's also a moot point for a few reasons:
>PS4 mainly makes use of GNMX, which is a high-level API used mainly for multiplats
>XB1 uses DX11.1 and newer games use DX12, but the performance gains are minimal at best
>DX12, Vulkan, and Mantle are all low-level APIs that are being popularized on PC
Also, asynchronous compute is a meme.
>>320983232
>PS4 in particular has a lot of potential in the form of asynchronous shading and compute.
both consoles have AMD CPU and GPU. No reason to select PS4 in particullar. If anything Xbone EDRAM might do something, but I doubt it.
>>320983574
Most developers will more over fully to GNM as they moved over to LibGCM on the PS3 a few years into its life.
>Also, asynchronous compute is a meme.
It's only a meme on the PC since most PC gamers don't have GPUs that support it and up until Windows 10 didn't have graphics APIs that supported it.
>>320983792
>No reason to select PS4 in particullar.
PS4 has 4x the ACE count of the Xbox One, and 50% more shaders.
>>320983989
Even less of a reason that multiplats would be some feat.
>>320962204
Those prices aren't even accurate.
These threads are so dumb.
This is like buying an entry level Merc e class and boasting about driving a Mercedes without really experiencing any of the joys of actually driving a Mercedes.
Pointless.
>>320962204
>not waiting for the pascal successor of the gtx 960
consumer whores anyone
>>320983891
>Most developers will more over fully to GNM as they moved over to LibGCM on the PS3 a few years into its life.
They probably will, but only because it'll be easier to develop GNM/DX12/Vulkan versions of games instead of using high-level APIs like DX11 and GNMX.
>It's only a meme on the PC since most PC gamers don't have GPUs that support it
Bzzzt
It's a meme because it doesn't add much to performance.
For instance, Ashes of Singularity, a DX12 that takes full advantage of asynchronous compute, doesn't run much better on AMD GPUs than equivalent Nvidia GPUs (which lack the ACEs of AMD's GPUs).
The real reason AMD GPUs see such a boost from DX12 compared to DX11 is because AMD's DX11 drivers frankly aren't that great, especially with lower end CPUs.
>das2 4K 60 fps
you know what? my old build had a 660ti (which i think its close to the 760) a 2600k and 8 gb of ddr3 ram. i could run ds2 at 4k on dsr 60fps.
you know what you pc faggots said?
>sure, 4k sub 20fps
so i think its time you faggots make up your mind.
when it comes to pc vs console a 200$ pc can 4k 120fps, when pcücks are on their own you have a potato if you've anything under a 980
>buying a computer with the intent of being subpar
Fuck off toasterfags
>>320985490
Hey faggot, cuck isn't filtered anymore.
>>320985086
(You) are retarded
>Our use of Async Compute, however, pales with comparisons to some of the things which the console guys are starting to do. Most of those haven't made their way to the PC yet, but I've heard of developers getting 30% GPU performance by using Async Compute.
from the fucking mouth of an Ashes of Singularity developer
http://www.overclock.net/t/1569897/various-ashes-of-the-singularity-dx12-benchmarks/1200#post_24356995
>>320985654
>but I've heard
Whoa, word of mouth.
Amazing anon, you totally got me.
Call me when the PS4 actually starts showing the performance to back it up.
>>320968397
cause everyone has a tv already, nobody has a PC monitor or a keyboard lying around without a computer
>>320985872
Then plug your PC into your TV.
>>320962204
used pc vs brand new console
wbhahawhhawhhawhaha this kek
i got a ps4 for 100$ wheres your 100$ console killer ya fag
>>320985906
can I plug my wii mote to act as a mouse too?
>>320985740
Good job completely ignoring the first sentence of the quote.
And yeah you're right, the guy who made the fucking game you cite is totally not worth listening to at all.
>Call me when the PS4 actually starts showing the performance to back it up.
trust me, if you weren't an anonymous shitposter I would given you retards were completely wrong last-gen too.
>>320966793
>used pc parts
I bought a used graphics card and it went out after a year. Never ever do this. The only time it's ok is when it's refurbished by the company itself.
>>320986046
>trust me, if you weren't an anonymous shitposter I would given you retards were completely wrong last-gen too.
Oh yea, I forgot about how well last-gen consoles were running games.
That silky smooth 20 FPS sure was worth it.
>used
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. JUST FUCK OFF.
What is with this desperation anyways?
>>320985991
yes you can, also you can plug a xone controller as a mouse and if you put the qwerty addon you can have a keyboard
>>320985991
You can get a M+KB combo for literally $10-$15.
>>320986310
not using high dpi mouse, mechanic/touch keyboard wbhahwahhawha poorfag
>PS4 version of Ass Creed Syndicate literally looks worse than the PC version on medium settings
That's just sad.
PCfags are literally reddit.
>>320985991
Actually, yes, but in my opinion it's ass.
>>320986163
It was 0 fps on PC in 2013... and 2014... and half of 2015
>>320962204
>used PC
what is the point of this thread
>>320986580
>4 months is half
I know you're a consolefag, but anon, please, you can't be serious.
I do however look forward to the PS4 being 6 years old.
Can't wait for that silky smooth sub-30 FPS at sub-900p.
>>320986459
is sad playing in from of a tiny tv you fatso nerd
I was gonna go for the Potato Masher until I couldn't even find most of the parts listed in the video for sale, let alone for the prices listed. I decided to just recycle already owned parts instead and save money that way. The videos are still good though for seeing how decent-end yet cheap hardware can run on modern games.
>>320986746
>Poorfags
Kek, I have a 60" TV unlike you you poorfag.
Shame consoles can't into decent resolutions, everything ends up looking so muddy.
>>320986740
ya retarded kek if you use a uhd bravia tv that has fps acelerator ya get 120fps on any ps4 game
bhwahwahhahahhahah fat nerd
>>320962204
No reason to go used
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VBdKzy
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VBdKzy/by_merchant/
CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($70.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 370 2GB PCS+ Video Card ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill FBM-02 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($38.47 @ OutletPC)
Total: $406.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-21 17:49 EST-0500
>>320986869
2/10, might get an idiot.
>>320962204
>used 280x
enjoy your single year of mileage with that pc
>>320986852
bwhahhwhhwahawhawh u never denied the fat part is so sad and lame
>>320986046
>>320985654
Asynchronous compute isn't some special magic sauce you idiot.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-making-of-gears-of-war-ultimate-edition
GoW Ultimate Edition makes use of it on XB1 and it still runs at 1080p30 in SP and doesn't look that great.
In fact, it looks worse than some F2P games I've played.
>>320986875
>amd
>1333
>hdd
>370
we are 2015 btw
>>320986875
The case really caught my interest.
>>320987179
Rise of the Womb Raider also makes use of Async Compute, and it too runs at 1080p30 and doesn't look that great, even for an XB1 game.
>>320964732
My HD7970 say yes
>>320987295
Please show me a test where RAM speed matters in gaming outside of iGPUs
Why the fuck would you buy a 240gb SSD over a 1tb hard drive?
the 370 is perfectly fine for 1080p gaming
Shitpost harder anon
>>320986875
I prefer this build.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NmjwLk
>>320976530
Enjoy your fried graphic card, which was used to dig bitcoins.
>>320983989
Nop.
>>320988131
That hard drive is probably heavily used
that motherboard is just crap
and the PSU is a bit weak
no point really in getting a cheap PCI-e wireless adapter
>>320988361
>That hard drive is probably heavily used
I don't see why it would be, it's new.
>and the PSU is a bit weak
Ehh, for an x4 860k and an R7 370?
It'll be fine.
>no point really in getting a cheap PCI-e wireless adapter
It does up to 150 Mbps, which is perfectly fine if you're a poorfag.
Only real downside is that it's only 2.4 GHz.
>>320988895
Hitachi Deskstar E7K1000 1 Terabyte (1TB) SATA/300 7200RPM 32MB Hard Drive
by Hitachi
3.6 out of 5 stars 35 customer reviews
| 7 answered questions
you aren't going to get a new hitachi deskstar drive for that much
the PSU will be fine, but the 500W version is a bit safer choice
>>320989108
>you aren't going to get a new hitachi deskstar drive for that much
Anon...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001W3NM2C/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
>the PSU will be fine, but the 500W version is a bit safer choice
That's true, plus it leaves more room for OCing.
>>320989231
Why do you think the reviews and price are so low?
"Beware these drives are not new. I bought four of these drives, and they show power on hours of 25,000 to 35,000. Expect them to have a life of only two years. For this price, you can get a true new drive from Fry's Electronics
"
>>320989649
That's why you don't buy the $45 one from India anon.
You get the one that's backed and fulfilled by Amazon and is $48.
"Console Killer" budget builds are not meant to be taken as a guide to someone building a pc. Let's go ahead and collectively admit that. It's just another form of who stroking about the objectively better hardware. We all know this. Anyone who has that small of a budget is just going to buy a console.
Why?
1. It's already assembled
2. You're going to have access to more modern titles especially exclusives.
3. Form factor
4. Troubleshooting any problems is simple sense there is no hardware variant. Everything is the same as other users.
5. There is no reason for others, other than pc users, to act elitist when comparing you to others; and that would still happen even if you did fall for the console killer budget pc meme
Most people who build a pc are going to spend more than $600 minimum. And regardless of what anyone says about how it's cheaper in the long run, because the parts perform better longer, will never admit that they buy on average 2 gpus a year. Rarely does someone use the same GPU for more than a couple of years. And if it isn't the GPU being changed more than occasionally, it's anything else. And it sucks because I'm the end, pc gets the short end of the stick when it comes to software support.
So yes, you can build a console killer for around the same price, and you can save money on games by waiting for Steam sales, but in the end time is money. And waiting for games is basically no different than not playing games. So you can build that pc, but if your budget is that strict you might as well not buy anything since you won't be playing anything for some time.
>>320988351
>switching pics
Lol
