Did censorship of any Japanese video affect you personally? I.e. was any removed content from any game something you specifically wanted to stay in said game?
Or do you just oppose censorship in principle? (Which is completely fine, I'm for that too.)
Also, why don't you learn Japanese and avoid censhorship altogether?
Bump?
>>320926634
No DoAX3 on Steam.
It killed my parents. I miss them every day.
SNES games were censored all the time without my knowledge as a kid.
Hasn't really affected me.
>>320926634
Not censorship but not having all the girls is DoAX3 killed it for me. No Tina no buy.
>>320926634
I hate censorship when it's not appropriate, but on a personal level, no censorship has bothered me that much. I mean making a cow tits waifu in XCX, uncut dialogue from a bunch of localized games over the years and DOAX3 not coming to the west sucks and all, but I don't care enough to complain. So long as the game itself is still enjoyable in the end I'll bend over and take it.
Also is that Gods Eater 2? When that shit coming to the west, nigga?
>>320926634
>personally
Literally dictator's fallacy.
>why don't you learn Japanese and avoid censhorship altogether?
>why don't you spend years of your life acquiring a skill you otherwise wouldn't want or need, just to make up for people arbitrarily robbing you of content, instead of just, you know, trying to make them not rob you?
That's a very very nice consumer way of looking at things. Schlomo will be proud of you, anon.
>>320929049
That's GE:R. I don't think it's coming.
>>320926634
I have no problems with small adjustments that gets shit released. I only have problems with large removals of content are simply gone. I don't want to miss out on games entirely because nobody wants to take a chance on something risky, especially if it's just a really minor thing.
The FF4 porno book always amused me to read about as a story, but the lack of it never ruined the game. If the game stayed overseas it would be a very long time before I ever discovered RPGs.
I prefer it when the game doesn't have T&A plastered all over the screen, so I'm perfectly fine with this "censorship"
>>320929083
>The Dictator Fallacy is the belief that any law or program will be implemented in just the way you intended -- as if you were the king.
How does this apply?
>>320929174
Name one censored game that had tits and ass all over the screen before the changes?
Xenoblade and Fatal Frame are certainly not examples of that.
The changes were trivial and mundane.
>>320928921
SNES games were censored all the times without my knowledge as a kid.
It has heavily affected me as a result now that I know about it.
I just don't understand why they don't just have options? If you're some prude or you have little kids around or some shit just toggle the shit off.
I did the switch to unlocalized games though I can't recall playing anything with censorship before that.
>>320929569
Because the point isn't to actually prevent someone from seeing something that might damage them, but to show SWJs on Twitter that you're not sexist and shit.
At least nowadays.
>>320929715
What a fuckin world
>>320929174
Censorship has always been a problem, because it either censored significant aspects of games(like DEATH for instance), or minor things that aren't even worth censoring in the first place. Even the weeaboo shit that comes from Compile Heart and co. deserve better.
>>320926634
The censorship in XCX killed my family and raped my dog
I think people are pretty stupid for caring about violence or nudity of non-existing 3D characters. You don't see PETA the whole time complaining about Cabella series but you see raging faggots crying because jiggling boobs/butts in games the whole time
>>320926634
Makes me wonder shit like "why are they bathing with towels or swimsuits on?" or "this is a convenient curtain blowing in the wind."
I just oppose messing with something in principle. Same goes for overlocalizing stuff like that Pheonix Wright webcomic.
I'm a lazy ass usueless fuck.
>>320930019
Peta complains about fucking pokemon. Those guys are just as looney as SJWs.
>>320930019
PETA literally complains about cities having names that suggest animal violence, but that's beyond the point. You should fuck off to Reddit where you belong.
>>320926634
I oppose it in principle. Unless it's a case of censorship to fit ratings, like SFV or old cases like NGS2. That sucks and those are made for commercial reason and trying to reach WIDER AUDIENCES, but it's not as bad as censoring to not trigger anyone.
It did effect lately, I planned to buy a WiiU, now I won't. Pic related
I'm learning. I read a whole VN this week fully in nip so I'm pretty close. But I still need lot of dictionary checking. But that doesn't really solve the problem, I want peoples to experience the same game as me.
>>320930331
What the fuck was reddit about his post? This shit is getting out of control.
>>320929201
If the creators of a piece of work meant for the viewers to see it in a certain light... then censoring it only harms that piece of work. Censoring it will no longer let viewers see it in the light the creators wanted you to see it as. You're changing it so it will be seen the way you wanted it to be seen and not the creator of the work.
>>320930176
PETA are batshit anyway. They kill more animals than the people they're "saving" them from.
>>320930376
>fit ratings
Thats 100 percent bullshit though.
>>320930376
>I'm learning. I read a whole VN this week fully in nip so I'm pretty close.
おお、どんなエロゲたったかい。ぜひ教えてほしい。
>>320930413
I'm not saying his post was Reddit, I'm saying he should go there, since he's either too stupid or too uncaring to understand the idea of judging a concept based on principle rather than convenience or personal taste.
Censorship of an anime bust killed my mother and censorship of a loli in bikini puked in my car and the smell has never gone away.
Principle. Censorship is an all-or-nothing game. I don't particularly care about a lewd outfit that got removed from this game or that, however once it becomes okay to censor something, then it doesn't stop. With the power of precedence anything can become worthy of censorship, and someone's making moral judgements on what the rest of us can and cannot consume.
I don't let it be my sole guiding principle when choosing to purchase a game but it does factor in. And it does motivate me to keep up my Japanese practice.
>>320930607
>censorship of a loli in bikini
What game?
>>320930475
We can't know for SFV, but it was true for Ninja Gaiden 2, the sigma version was all censored because they wanted to give a ninja decapitation game a 16+ rating instead of the 18+ one.
>>320930505
The last muvluv game
>>320929174
Then please play different games.
If you do not want T&A, there are many games that do not have T&A. They shouldn't be removed just to meet cultural standards and the fact you don't care for them doesn't make the fact they're removed okay. If the original product does not appeal to you then simply play something else.
Also putting things in quotation marks doesn't stop them being an actual thing that people can be concerned with.
>>320930770
シュヴァルツェスマーケンか。
どうだったか?印象を簡単に述べてみて。
また無意味な搾り?
>>320929174
But you do like your edge gore and torture right? What if I remove it?
Hmm?
What if Lord Boros didn't get completely fucked before dying and lose all the impact of Saitama's power? Would you still be okay with that?
You hypocritical motherfucker.
>>320930974
It was my favorite yettfw I have no ideas how to write in nip on a computer
>>320931171
>tfw I have no ideas how to write in nip on a computer
グッグってみたら?或いはローマ字でええや。
On principle, mostly.
The only game I really care about that's been censored is Kingdom Hearts II (the censorship was also carried into Final Mix in 2.5).
To my knowledge it's the only KH game that was censored, which bothers me both on the principle and in regards to consistency.
>why don't you learn Japanese and avoid censhorship altogether?
I am, but not all games being censored originate in Japan.
And in fact Japan does censor games that they get from overseas (the sawblade scene in Until Dawn, for instance).
>>320929049
>I hate censorship when it's not appropriate
It's never appropriate.
>>320931245
>グッグって
「ググる」だ
>>320931391
きっと強調しただけだ。きっと。定めし。
>>320931101
W-well..gore is different.....
>>320926634
>Also, why don't you learn Japanese and avoid censhorship altogether?
Im trying. Currently been tired of reading moege but 見上げてごらん、夜空の星を caught my eye so im going through that.
Why are there so many people learning nip on /v/ just as I started (ie start of this year)?
>>320931542
I've heard good things about that. Also I visited Akihabara last Friday when it came out and I saw quite many people buying it, so it'll probably be a success.
Personally I'm going for 機関幕末異聞 ラストキャバリエ, which comes out this Friday.
>>320931431
そうかも
>>320926634
Yeah, i kind of liked the Berserk armor in Dragon's Dogma but I don't really give a fuck that i won't have it in the pc release
>>320931732
や、あれは私の口実。真に受けるな(笑)。
>>320931793
That's not censorship, that's licensing.
>>320926634
Nothing has affected me personally (at least any censored games I've played I've done so unknowingly).
I learned Japanese for the unlocalised stuff, not to avoid censorship.
>>320931626
Not sure about /v/ specifically, but I think since the /djt/ started on /a/ a few years back the number of moonreaders on 4chan has increased a lot. I know that it was the thing that inspired me, anyway (started at the same time as the threads).
>>320926634
Three words,AceCombatElectrosphere
>>320931828
But those threads are the most catastrophically autistic bullshit that has EVER been on the board. NO ONE in there knows jack shit about anything yet they parade around as aggressively autistically as possible claiming they have the ultimate solution and you're way beneath them. It's 24/7 arguments between the most self-aggrandising cunts I have ever seen and nothing of worth other than the copypasta resources.
>>320931643
I've heard of that, thats the game based off of historical events?
> I visited Akihabara last Friday when it came out
Whats 発売日 like in Aki?
>>320931626
I dont know about you but ive been at it for around a year.
>>320931881
That wasn't censorship, it was them slashing the localisation budget.
>>320931918
/DJT/ is best used just for the pastebin. Its a treasure trove of useful sources.
>>320932035
>/djt/
You mean Anki general?
>>320931932
>I've heard of that, thats the game based off of historical events?
https://vndb.org/v18145
Yes, bakumatsu setting. I've read the trial and liked it a lot, so I preordered. Pretty hard Japanese though. Historical vocabulary, kanji and grammar.
Akihabara on release day is pretty hectic. Just as new games get released, preorders open for new future titles. Before Softmap or Trader stores you can see くじ引き stands for people who buy new eroge or preorder upcoming ones. Eroge floors are pretty crowded. Last months I was preordering まいてつ and had to wait like 10 minutes in line.
>ive been at it for around a year.
That's curious. How much do you have too look up when you read?
>>320931918
Yeah, the actual content of the threads aren't so great, but I think the thought that other people on 4chan are also learning moon probably helped motivate people. And the pastebin is always good to point people towards if they show interest in learning (it at least gives them a starting point, when a lot of the posts I see are "I don't know where to start").
>>320932035
I just worry that all the extra moonreaders - especially since so many seem to be better and more inwardly motivated (I have serious trouble learning anything outside a classroom with this) - are going to snap up my (extremely small and vague) hope of being atranslator. It seems like all I could possibly do at this point but I'm not even good enough.
>>320932035
this
Everybody on /djt/ told me that taking a class at my college would be terrible and a waste of time and I learned more in one day than I did in months of studying by myself.
>>320932216
Don't worry anon, even among the people who know moon it is still rare to find people who can translate well. You need to be good enough at writing the target language too, if you want to be a good translator.
>>320932243
This seems more of a case of you being a retard than /djt/ giving bad advice.
Or maybe I'm being retarded and taking a joke post seriously.
>>320930376
>SFV
>We work very closely with the ESRB to make sure we're a Teen rated franchise
>we're a Teen rated franchise
Still fucking mad.
Also, since when a game company worked closely with ESRB?
Also
>Several female characters are depicted in low-cut, form-fitting outfits that display large amounts of cleavage and/or buttocks. Female characters' breasts sometimes jiggle during character selection.
>The words “a*s” and “bastard” appear in the dialogue.
ESRB rated the demo as T even with all these shit.
A simple, occasional camera angle won't do jack shit to the rating.
Its obvious that they censoring the game to appeal to a certain crowd that wouldn't even buy this game.
Fuck censorship.
>>320926634
>Learn Japanese
I read / hear english every day for the past ~20 years. It's a 2nd language to me. And I am still not 100% fluent.
If I started learning japanese now, I would be 70 years old before I would consider my language skill "half decent".
>>320932443
I can do that. I've just been slacking so hard for the last couple of months since classes ended. It makes me worried I'm not getting anywhere.
>>320929174
The game wasn't even made for you then. Play another one.
>>320931816
>(笑)
ちょっと何
インタビューか?堅苦しいよw
>>320932216
俺も訳者になりたいと思う。
だが、/a/のユーザは失敗者やヒッキーだ。安心して名無しくん、頑張ろうぜ!
>>320931626
You're just noticing it now that you started, i noticed the same thing as i started learning 2 years ago
>>320930376
>to fit ratings
>like SFV
>>320932153
Ahh interesting, I always wanted to go to aki and participate in something like that but its probably not as grandiose as I probably make it out to be.
>That's curious. How much do you have too look up when you read?
I say around a year but that was with quitting a couple times and picking it back up a month later. Its just hard to keep reading moege because it starts getting boring and the interesting chuuni stuff is too hard to read. People say to read what you want but fuck trying to read something from Masada when you only have maybe 6 months or so experience and very little in terms of vocab.
>>320932487
Blazblue is T rated as well with all the stuff it has. Capcom is full of fucking shit.
>>320928871
Underrated post
>>320932216
You'll give up on that dream pretty quickly.
Translating from Japanese is all about how good of an English writer you are. You also make shit money, and translating doesn't help with comprehension even a little bit.
I'd literally rather do shitty tasks for pennies on mturk than translate.
>>320928871
>>320933036
You didn't miss them that day!
[laugh track]
>>320926634
I already know how americuck reviewers will bitching about Alisa and Nana's outfits once this game released in burgerland.
So never ever is a good thing for the cuck country.
>>320926634
I oppose censorship in general, which was largely the reason my views tended to gravitate toward the left until recently. Seeing pro-censorship left wingers is fucking bizarre. I think they hold those opinions because they'd go to any length to disagree with what they perceive as a conservative.
>>320933050
Luckily, I'm a good English writer, have cheap tastes and will never have a family so I'm only paying for one.
Also, you're sounding like a djt者.
>>320932443
Taking a class is a good idea especially if you lack motivation. Plus it gets you practicing with actual people.
>>320929116
Well we are getting a God Eater western announcement in an hour and 7 minutes
http://www.bne-project.com/
>>320932936
Yeah, strictly speaking it's a banal spectacle. People standing in lines.
I mostly like it because for me it's a new way to engage with eroge. All these years before, I just read about eroge on the internet or eroge itself on PC screen. And things on the PC screen fell less real than those outside, at least for me. So going to Akihabara on eroge release day, buying eroge magazines (strictly speaking a pointless purchase, all the info will be on the internet soon anyway) or attending eroge events makes it all feel way more real for me.
On one such even I had the great fortune to see the writer of one of my favorite VNs, which was great too.
>>320933243
I wish I could like God Eater. That shit just got too hard for me having to fight like 3 bigass monsters at the same time that are super aggressive.
>>320933316
おめでとう
妬ましいです
>>320933286
How long did it take you get to the point where you can read things like last cavalier?
>>320933572
I started with Japanese in 2010.
>>320931643
>機関幕末異聞 ラストキャバリエ
>look it up
>see blonde, blue-eyed Japanese in historical Japan
>that'sbullshitbutI'llbelieveit.jpg because anime
>look up the gallery pics on the website
Her tits are perfect.
>>320933669
That's Sakamoto Ryouma (also a protagonist of Yakuza: Ishin). She's half-Japanese in 機関幕末異聞 ラストキャバリエ (and a woman).
>>320933532
おい、私のポストは何をしましたか?
三かぐらいここで住んでいましたが、そろそろアメリカに帰らなけらば行けません。 そうしたくないよ。
>>320933286
Thats a bit disappointing.
Has anyone come up to you or asked you about anything about eroge at that time. It would seem pretty uncommon to the japanese that a foreigner would be buying eroge.
>>320930376
That game didnt get censored though
>>320934295
>三かぐらい
三々月ぐらいと書きたいでした。
>>320934351
Not in Tokyo, noone's really surprised about foreigners here. But I attended one eroge event elsewhere and one guy asked me where I was from etc.
Although it's true you don't really see many foreigners on eroge floors of shops. But I did do see some, especially in Trader 2, where eroge is just one short flight of stairs away from normal games. Saw some other Western guy buying Kara no Shoujo there.
Also I didn't mean to make it sound disappointing. Just that I'm mainly enjoying it due to my own circumstances and way of thinking.
>>320929201
>belief that any law or program will be implemented in just the way you intended -- as if you were the king.
>it's ok it hurts people I don't like so it's good
literally
>>320934578
「書きたっかた」じゃないか?
>>320934578
You mean 三ヶ月 or 三箇月?Also 書きたかったです, not 書きたいでした.
>>320934657
書きたかった*
>>320934351
The doujin floors in Mandarake and Akiba Culture Zone are always filled with foreigners, I think it's kinda expected that foreigners into the porn, including eroge. Also more girls go to those floors than you'd think.
>>320934774
>my face when I nearly went into the BL floor of mandarake
The colour scheme and femaleness of the floor luckily tipped me off before I actually went in.
>>320934735
あぁ、そうですね。忘れちゃった。
>>320934704
どうやって「ヶ」を書きますか?
>>320934860
I've actually considered going in there because I can't find any Nora Higuma on the male floor and I'm wondering if /ss/ is meant to cater to women more.
>>320935069
Film it if you do, I am NEVER setting foot in there but am willing to bet they're hiding secret wonders somewhere in there..
>>320934952
「さんかげつ」を書いて、スペースを押して、すると「三ヶ月」が出る。或いは「が」を書いても、出る。
「ヶ」は「が」と読まれ、「の」という意味だ。知ってた?
>>320935179
でも誰は電話???
Botched localizations affect me more
>>320935328
。。。だった???
>>320935328
ざまあみろ?
>>320935367
"Botched"? Ha. More like actively sabotaged.
Never did finish that game. Got to the - for English - last boss but hadn't grinded enough to actually beat them. Gave up.
>>320926634
Nintendo released one of my favorite games of all time in the west officially for the first time a few years ago. They censored it so hard, they literally removed all of the special effects, changed sprites, and made it impossible to tell whether or not you're damaging bosses.
Because the 3DS is region locked, it was impossible for me at the time to get around this. So yeah, fuck Nintendo for ruining one of my favorite games, and fuck censorship.
>>320935505
Name?
>>320935367
>NISA
Not even once.
>>320935627
Summer Carnival 92 Recca. I'm not exactly happy about them censoring other games I'm interested in either, but that's the most egregious example for me personally.
>>320926634
I don't know about "affecting me personally", but there definitely have been cases where I enjoyed a game less due to censorship.
I also oppose censorship on principle.
Learning Japanese won't change the fact that censorship is an issue.
>Bob A and Bob B are playing a card game
>Bob C comes in and demands the first two Bobs play the game differently to suit his own needs
>When Bob A refuses to do so and brings up the fact he has an issue with the fact Bob C is trying to force them to change for his own needs, Bob D comes by and says "Wow Bob A and Bob C are equally as bad in this situation"
Why is this reality.
>>320932487
We already know the ESRB excuse is bullshit.
Which now adds LYING ontop of pandering to SJWs
>>320935746
If you're curious, compare these two videos of the first boss fight in the game.
Famicom version:
(starts at 1:24 if the link doesn't work)
https://youtu.be/Ft0sfR8W3D4?t=84
3DS version:
(starts at 1:20 if the link doesn't work)
https://youtu.be/uZ2Pp1TMFbw?t=80
>>320936035
Nah, man. It's clearly the ESRB.I can't believe there are those that actually believe clear lies like that.
エエ? いつから/v/はそ何に日本語を上手ですか?
>>320936263
Such flatness should clearly be outlawed.
>>320936271
I'm no expert, but maybe this is what you meant to say.
いつから/v/はそんなに日本語上手になったの?
>>320936342
Indeed.
>>320935934
>Bob D comes by and says "Wow Bob A and Bob C are equally as bad in this situation"
You do realize in reality Bob A is saying that, right?
>>320930463
PETA does some crazy shit but they tend to put down a lot of animals they take in because those tend to be abused animals that cannot be adopted.
>>320936446
Yup, thats it. I need more practice in sentence structure.
>>320936446
「日本語」と「上手」の間に「が」いらないか?
>>320936490
Bob A is saying Bob A is as bad as Bob C?
What sense does that make?
>>320936808
要るんだよ。でも話し言葉でよく省かれている。
Not really but it shouldn't be a big deal. But I'm abig boy and I can handle weird stuff from Japan without needing to change it to better placate the attitudes of the west. I know I'm not going to get a 100% translation all the time but when the people responsible for translating this stuff outright lie to me then yeah I get annoyed
No jap audio actually affects me. When anime, you either go full anime or bust.
Looking at you Xenoblade X. Thankfully 5.5 will come out sometime so I can play the undub.
>>320936808
Properly you would, but I was typing conversationally. And you probably shouldn't use the question particle か if you're not using polite speech otherwise.
>>320936565
All animals can become normal again, just takes time and dedication. PETA's definition of animals that can't be adopted is messed up.
>>320936469
How is this not a trap?
>>320935179
意味と読み方もうしていますが、どうやってかく分かりませんでした。
しかし、私は「さんかげつ」と書けば、「三か月」が出ます...でも「lke」と書くと、「ヶ」が出ます。君はマイクロソフトIMEを使っていますか?
>>320937169
>君はマイクロソフトIMEを使っていますか
うん。
>>320926634
Yep it's the reason I never will buy Criminal Girls.
>>320936930
あ、ありがとう。
こんなことにも日本語練習に十分かもね。いつもの方よりさ。I am trying new things and I am positive that sentence is wrong, please be nice
>>320937073
ごめん、悪癖だ。イカ娘のせいだ。
>>320937353
>イカ娘
What?
>>320937454
私の心に侵略者、イカ娘
>>320936930
私は受身形が嫌いだよ。どんなとき使ってもいいあまり分からないから。映画で「passive voice」は同じね?
>>320937930
>映画で「passive voice」は同じね?
英語の映画でね。
>>320938035
>映画
うん。間違えた。
>>320933096
It's the horseshoe effect in full swing
>>320936035
The ESRB is arbitrary under the best of circumstances. It's likely that the random people they select to give games ratings would be harder on a (relatively) better known series like Street Fighter than obscure JRPGs like Fairy Fencer or Sword Art Online or new properties like Skullgirls.
>>320938671
Many have emailed the ESRB asking if x game would be censored in its original form or receive a different rating. Every time, the response has been that nothing would need to be changed to receive the same rating it got anyway. I'm sure someone has the caps.
I haven't really seen any censorship that would make me not buy a product. While I don't really care about cosmetic changes, I think it's kinda stupid to censor something if it's a T or higher rated game.
Censoring teenage girls is something I think is perfectly reasonable. Not like people would desperately want a 13yearold in a bikini as opposed to shorts.
Removing gameplay mechanics is where I would start getting mad.
>>320940358
>Removing gameplay mechanics is where I would start getting mad.
Yakuza 3.
>>320940358
>Censoring teenage girls is something I think is perfectly reasonable
I disagree. While I do not personally care for the content in question, I don't think it should be censored. If it were in the game, people offended by it could simply not use the costume.
>>320940697
I think they want to attract less attention to the sketchy issue and avoid making the larger audience uncomfortable.
Like in xenoblade, when you're scrolling through customes for the 13year old and suddenly you see her half naked, it would make some people uncomfortable and be used for others to criticize the game for pedophilic elements.
It's not the perfect system, nor the fairest, but they try to work with what they got.
>>320932671
The original psp one is called Gods Eater.
>>320940415
Was that really censorship, though? I've always pegged it as monumental laziness and a total lack of confidence in a product.
>>320936214
So they made it safe for epileptics, and you're complaining about that?
>>320941576
>monumental laziness and a total lack of confidence in a product
Excuse.
>>320926634
I just think censorship is bad on all forms. Especially when forced upon by a group of people onto another group of people in any method possible.
Everyone has the right to express themselves and to be free from silence no matter how offensive it is to others. This is our God-given right.
>>320941647
What I mean is, I don't think it was done for fear of offending anyone, rather because it meant less work and therefore less cost for content that normalfag Westerns wouldn't care about anyway.. Unless there's any interviews or whatever where they said it was because of that.
I don't want to pay for the added costs of importing. Also I lost my copy of my japanese coach.
>>320935654Esty Dee
>>320932764
Nah the edited versions are better. Better to appeal to regular people rather than horny degenerates.
>>320944153Cream pie
