Why won't you admit it's the better game?
Promotes Footsies
Rewards smart play, unlike melee/pm where people could dash attack and start ToD combos
More character variety (all are viable, shiek/zss is just most used
Defensive play is actually viable now
Has CLOUD from FF7
Has Bayonetta from Bayonetta
Just buy this game already
>>320868369
Project M fags on suicide watch.
>>320868532
PM killer
>>320868369
Couldn't wait a fucking day before reposting this shitty pasta?
>>320869190
I waited 26 hours.
That's a day and two hours.
>>320869025
I AIN'T GON LET IT GET TO ME
Melee was great, don't get me wrong. I honestly think Smash 4 has truly pushed the series forward though. It's different than Melee and the Melee fans have a hard time accepting that. It's different in a good way though.
Yes, it does reward defensive play more, and this is something everyone complains about in it, but I really think that you can be aggressive, but actually have to think twice about it. This is not a bad thing.
I really like the ledge changes in Smash 4. I never particularly cared for the ledge hogging metagame in Melee and Brawl. Ledge isn't 100% safe now.
And yeah, the fucking roster, online play, everything. Smash 4 is the fucking best.
>>320868369
Better game overall? Fuck yeah by a landslide
Better competitive? Nah
>>320869761
>This is not a bad thing.
Yes it is. It's completely inferior at spacing/counterplay compared to Smash 64. That's the standard it should be judged on.
>>320868369
>Defensive play is actually viable now
It was "viable" back in melee.. not only is it "viable" in smash 4, it's the mandatory strategy in smash 4.
Smash 4 has ridiculous ledge guarding and only about 5 characters have a ledge guard game worth talking about. It's really boring. Positional advantages and disadvantages mean much less in Smash 4. There are almost no combos.
>>320869025
DONT FUCKLE WITH KNUCKLES
SEGA DONT CHUCKLE
>>320868369
>Bayonetta
No. I don't care how fun you faggots find cuhrayzee action games, she's overdesigned trash that has no place in the game. Cloud was pushing it and Corrin is just a shitty advertisement.
They're just different games, mang. The only thing about smash 4 that's objectively better than Melee is the larger character selection, but I've even heard Melee players say that's a drawback, because players have to spend more time learning matchups instead of honing their technical skill.
Competitively speaking, the two games just have different focus:
-spacing in Smash 4 requires prior planning and precise use of limited movement options
-spacing in Melee requires effective use of your many available options, as well as knowing all your opponent's movement options
-Melee combos and strings are easier to execute (although some conversions are still quite difficult to make), but as a result the game is more fast paced and aggressive
-Smash 4 combos are simple, but strings can be very complicated. Because defensive options are stronger, predicting your opponent's defensive options is the main form of aggression
-tech skill in Smash 4 is still in development, but the tech we have so far requires precise control over the left stick
-tech skill in Melee requires a high output of button presses per second.
The difference between buttons per second and premeditated movement is exemplified perfectly when comparing L Cancels to Auto Cancels. Look up the two mechanics and you'll see what I mean. Neither mechanic is inherently inferior; it just comes down to preference.The Melee community is fucking trash, though. At least in my local scene.
>>320869958
Bravo, retardbro, show that shitposter how much we intelligent people know
>>320869761
the ledge is much more safe then it was in any previous games
Its grab range is huge, and offers much faster get up and much more invisibility frames then other games and it makes any other recovery options pointless (ie recovering high or on stage)
When was the last time you played melee with someone?
Melee
3, 2 , 1 Go!
Falco dash attacks into two utilts into shine combo to ledge into down air killing the enemy
Smash 4
TODs removed, so honest fighting is encouraged where spacing and footsies is important to victory, not whoever attacks first
>>320870653
That wouldn't work in Melee. Only Fox's shine would fuck you up so early. Falco's spike doesn't leave in hitstun long enough to kill you at low percent.
Also for all that to happen would require shit DI.
Why do these threads exist.
>>320871208
justifying the purchase of ssb4
>>320868369
>Defensive play is actually viable now
Why is that a good thing. I don't even play fighting games (or party games, or whatever you call this shit), but I would definitely want to play a superfast high intensity game with awesome combos over some gay shit where someone spams projectiles and pokes for 90 seconds.
Fast, small reaction time, low potential for turtling.... That's manly as fuck. That's what all fighting games should strive for. If you want to play some slow keep-out game that involves "positional strategy" then you should fucking play RTS you homo strategy-lord.
The faster Smash Bros games seem much more fun to watch/play.
>>320869025
Alright, I have to admit this is a pretty sweet costume
>>320869025
Doesn't make sense. Lyn is in Smash 4, and that didn't kill PM.
>>320871338
>a game doesnt need to be super deep as long as its flashy and a good spectator sport :^)
Bravo now go and watch some CS:GO and LoL streams you flaming faggot.
>>320871338
play faster flashy games then if you want brainless button smash
you got mvc3/mvc2, kof, melee, jjba and naruto fighters to play
sorry people want fighting games to require some strategy and intellect
>>320871338
>I don't even play fighting games
all credibility discarded
>>320871568
Lyn isn't playable in Smash 4. I know you want to object, but Sakurai is extremely autistic and sees the costumes as a way to actually have the characters in the game. It's retarded, I know.
why is melee netplay literally miles better than smash 4 online
>not liking all of them
>>320868369
>waaaah I can't deal with getting rushed down
>I need the game physics to crutch for me
>>320871910
How do I find shitty people to play against when I am just starting out and learning the game?
>>320872321
>waaah i can't deal with having to play smart
>i need the game mechanics to compensate for me
>op still thinks that defense play isn't viable in melee
It's actually the optimal way to play melee desu
"Defensive play doesn't work in Melee" is such a load of horseshit. Just cause staying in shield isn't the best option all the time like smash 4 doesn't mean there's no defensive play. You have to be more strategic about shielding because people have an easier time putting on shield pressure in Melee. And some characters, like puff, have to play pretty defensively to win.
What I'm saying is defense in Melee is more than just shielding.
The ridiculous amount of recovery frames after attacks in smash 4 is also stupid.
>>320872793
I was only pretending to be retarded.
UAHH!
>>320872801
Puff and also Samus and Marth against some characters.
Smash 4 is probably the best game in the series due to the sheer amount of content it has.
The only thing Melee and PM have over it is superior gameplay and frankly that's enough for me to prefer them over Smash 4.
Defensive play is the optimal strategy in literally every fighting game you mong
>>320872801
yeah god forbid there be a risk involved for attacking
>>320873205
Which ones in specific?
>>320873075
>amount of content
>less modes
>the ones it does have are shit
k
>>320873075
>angry birds instead of break the targets
>boring classic mode
>no adventure mode
>recycled music from brawl
>lazily copied and pasted stages
>more clones than melee
>lack of interesting game modes
>toned down level editor compared to brawl's
Yeah it has more characters than any previous entry and I enjoy smash 4, but it does not offer a variety of fresh, new content. It feels more like brawl 2.0
>>320873432
even though it does have some shitty game modes, it still has more content in almost every other area that matters.
>>320873205
>literally every fighting game
>>320873347
name one and i'll tell you if defensive play is optimal or not
>>320874095
Ill name you several that are the most played ones right know which all favor offensive play.
USF4
Xrd
Accent Core
Marvel3
>>320873912
It has more characters but half of them are shit and a huge chunk of them are faggot emblem sword wielding pussies. More doesn't always mean better.
>>320872637
>He thinks only smart play exists in slow fighters
Wow retard alert, maybe you should try adapting sometime kiddo
>>320873224
I don't know if I understand what you're saying, but attacking is very risky in Melee depending on how you do it. Attacking someone sitting in shield up close guarantees any easy shield grab. You just have to be very careful when attacking. Either way, it's far more interesting having offense be a better option than defense.
The only people who think smash 4 is the best game have only played smash 4. Smash 4 fags are only showing cognitive dissonance to the fact that their game is actually made for small children.
Melee is the best game.
>>320868369
>Defensive play is actually viable now
Defensive play has been viable in every single super smash bros game.
>>320874708
Go back to tumblr where you can shill your shitty pixel game and discuss gender equality
>>320874947
Now you're not even trying
>>320874835
>street fighter 4
>chess
lmeo
People who main Fire Emblem characters are the same people who pick the "human" race in rpgs/mmos
>>320871687
>sorry people want fighting games to require some strategy and intellect
But Sm4sh has neither.
>>320875360
Get out of here you gay furry.
>>320875360
But they are all pretty shit.
I main Ike and hes mid-high tier. The struggle is too real.
>>320875360
>Choosing xeno scum
>>320875560
FIre Emblem characters are by far the common fighters I've encountered in my 600 matches of For Glory
>>320871687
>>320871654
>>320871824
I thought sm4sh was supposed to be a party game for casuals though.
I mean, wouldn't a hyper adrenaline pumping action game be more fun for fucking around than a slow-ass game of grab-ass where you have to go in like you're playing a retarded version of speed chess or some shit?
>>320874215
wrong
wrong
wrong
not entirely sure, you could be right here
>>320875873
>wrong
Nope i am not
At least get some prove in here how its wrong.
And no cherry picked webms dont count as prove.
>>320874835
Is this a new meme?
How do I pick a main /v/?
I'm always told that I should pick someone that fits my style but I usually play healers and support classes in other games and I don't think that translates well into a single-player game.
>>320876171
>prove instead of proof
Which 3rd world country do you live in?
>>320876563
Play as king DDD you won't regret it
>>320876563
>healers and support classes
pick toon link since you obviously love cock
>>320876590
Come on brah stop your bait and provide actual proof instead of attacking my grammar.
I really want to hear how someone could, even as a bait post, describe all those games metagame as defensive.
>>320874215
USF4 does not favor either offensive or defensive play, but most high-tier characters are such because of their combo damage
Xrd does favor offensive play
Accent Core is not anywhere close to most played
Marvel vs Capcom 3, defensive play is stronger, because taking risks is inconsistent and one hit can potentially lead to your entire team dying.
>>320876735
fuck off m8 yoshi and lucario users are the real cocksckers
>>320876735
liking cock is bad
love this meme 2bh
>>320874835
>Accent Core sharing any similarity with Sm4sh
What is this image trying to convey anyway
>>320876563
>Healers and support classes
Duck Hunt and just throw shit all the time.
>>320876798
I didnt expect an answer that is actually valid.
But i have to mostly agree here.
I would call USF4 offensive though, but yeah it has some retardedly good defensive options like the backdash on certain characters.
But some characters have also really good setups and option selects, to wreck you in Oki.
Also most of the top tier were offensive characters.
>>320868369
It has overpriced DLC shit
Amiibos
Literally looks like high contrasted brawl upgraded to last gen graphics
still can customize matches
can't create rooms, chat or voicechat while waiting
aside form LE OMG THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS XD it has shit rooster
Removed classic and unique players
>Has CLOUD from FF7
No true nintendo fans would give a shit.
>Just buy this game already
no
>>320877118
>weeb faggot
>>320877118
>he uniroincally enjoys a game where oy fox is playable
Oh I'm having a laff
>>320877085
thats not what i said i said he loved cock and toon link players are fuckboys
facts
>>320877132
>>320877462
>>320877482
>Tr4sh
oddly enough, i completely forgive the not-so-great single player. i'm sated by it
>no offline tourney
>item strength enormously overtuned
>pokeballs limited so you can't have adequate pokeball fights
>terrible stage design overall with no hazard toggle
>bad online modes; the signature draw of smash, 4 man battles, are basically unfeasible
>for glory only flat stages
>stage builder half assed
>none of PM's dope mode ideas like all-star versus or blastzone-less stamina mode
>everything imaginable about customs blows, and DLC characters don't get any
im far removed from competitive but this game barely pulls weight even as a party game. if smash means nothing more to you than "I Play it 4 Hours A Month at My Friends Apartment" then it's great
>>320877573
>video games
>>320869958
Ironically one of the lowest tiered character has some of the best offstage pursuit and edgeguard in the game.
>>320877669
this
ive had autists come over and play with meonly to screech that this game is bullshit, and how shields and grabbing is complete and utter bullshit and how im a fucking dick for playing robin and using archfire and how ill never beat them in a real smash game and then they go out for a smoke after the match and i put on something else because one autist ruined the night for everyone else.
>>320868369
Wow look at all these Shiny new Mopeds!!
They are newer and shiner than those shitty old crouch rockets and dirtbikes, and they are safer too because they are slower and can't break traction or wheelie.
>>320877916
>best offstage pursuit and edgeguard
>Sm4sh
Wow it's fucking nothing.jpeg
Did you also know Ganondorf has the strongest neutral special in the game so he's totally viable
>>320877952
semi-understandable
a lot of smash's decisions to appeal to everybody (crazy fucking stages, tuned up defensive options) end up not being healthy in the long run and just end up irritating people at every end of the smash-experience spectrum
>>320878280
>implying Ganondorf is bad
>>320877952
>autists come over and play with meonly to screech that this game is bullshit, and how shields and grabbing is complete and utter bullshit and how im a fucking dick for playing robin and using archfire and how ill never beat them in a real smash game
every time i play with any of my friends online
>>320878647
He is and will never win anything outside of locals
>>320878647
>Implying he isn't
I really hate how this game is all about shielding and grabbing, but mostly about grabbing. Every combo starts or ends with a grab, oh boy, so exciting.
>>320876563
Rosalina has a minion, that's about the closest thing you have to support. You should pick a character you like, then get good with them.
>>320871654
But melee is deeper than smash 4. Even 64 is deeper than smash 4. Anyways defensive play has always been viable. Otherwise people like Hungrybox would be getting BTFO.
>>320878817
>>320878857
Smash 4 is by far the most boring to play, I'll tell you that.
