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You can't. Yes, you can't.
Shitty stages like Marble Garden.
>>320514281
I can't. It's perfect.
>>320514281
More glitches than Sonic 2 thanks to shitty under the hood programming.
>>320514281
Awful Super Sonic music you will be listening to 90% of the time.
Not enough Knuckles
sonic 3? nothing
sonic & knuckles? all the stages suck and the only good thing about the game at all were the boss fights
>>320514281
Sandopolis 2 needed to be longer so I could listen to more of this sweet bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlV6sFcMtcA
>inb4 casuls who cant git gud @ ghosts
>>320515105
>sonic & knuckles? all the stages suck
But what about- uh
Hmm...
You might be on to something.
>>320515105
>all the stages suck
I disagree, the zones were fucking great and held the same level of quality as in S3.
>>320514281
https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_Complete_(hack)
>>320514868
>more glitches than sonic 2
do you have proof of this?
Difficulty feels weird when the games are linked, it goes down massively when you get to the Sonic & Knuckles stages then ramps up again.
>>320514281
It's not best Genesis game.
>>320515332
Flying Battery Zone
The way you acquire Chaos Emeralds is fucking retarded.
Is this the only good water level ever made?
Also best song in the game imho
>>320515492
well you're not wrong there. But it is good.
>>320515551
>Bonus rings a reward for exploration and smart manipulation of physics.
>Blue Sphere the best minigame ever made.
You better be joking.
>>320515551
m8 S3&K still has the best special stages in any sonic game, you best be joking.
>>320515581
>Is this the only good water level ever made?
The new Rayman games have some good ones, and I kinda like the ones in the Mario Galaxy games.
>>320515105
Mushroom Hill is meh and Sandopolis sure, but the rest are great.
>>320515678
I was actually thinking Shinobi 3 but that is acceptable as well.
>>320515332
everything except maybe sandopolis act 1 was good
>>320515868
I don't get the hate Sandopolis gets, I liked it.
>>320515686
>>320515778
I found it to be confusing and nauseating. Especially when you get closer to getting the final ones.
>>320514281
$120 for a platformer is highway robbery.
>>320515915
Babies that are scared of ghosts.
>>320516241
I have been playing the game for 20 years so it was a pretty good value all things considered.
>>320515915
i still like it, i just think it's the weakest of the s&k levels
>>320514281
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite game.
Complaints? I'm not a fan of Marble Garden, or Sandopolis Zones. I believe it's because both of them feel too slow for me, and aren't as great as the rest of them. Though they do offer good variety because of the change of pace.
Best Music, Best length, Best Zones, Best special Zones, Best Characters, Best Final Boss (and extra Final Boss). Just amazing overall.
Sonic 2 is a close second though, I also consider that game to be pretty much perfect. But 3 and Knuckles just offers more.
Also this only applies to the both of the games together. Alone they are solid, but Sonic 2 would rank higher.
>>320516241
It was 2 full games, on expensive cartridges (one having an extra feature, the other having a save system). Games were $60-80, more if they had special chips or save batteries.
>needs two games to be complete
>>320516670
That's how some of the best games work. Sonic 3 & Knuckles and pic related stand tall in their respective genres as complete wholes and honestly are both worth the full price of admission.
fanbase.
>>320516478
It was two halves to one full game.
Mushroom Hill is fucking awful for an introduction level to the new portion of SaK.
Just awful. I bet the person who designed that level had a hand in designing the awful garbage levels in Sonic CD as well. Tragic, dreadful, hamfisted, scatterbrained level designs.
And Mushroom Hill's music is shit as well. When the "first level" of a Sonic game has shit music, it's time to stop caring about whatever game that is.
Flying Battery Zone is a masterpiece though somehow. That level is just right.
>>320514281
too hard
>>320516965
Paying more than once to get a complete product is a flaw. You can defend it all you want, it's still a flaw.
I would prefer a system where you just pay more money for bigger/more expensive to develop games rather than all the microtransaction shit today.
Some of the levels had a tendency to drag on, like sandopolis.
Marble Garden and Sandopolis
>couldn't be sonic and knuckles or knuckles and sonic
>>320517141
Fuck off with your shit taste
>>320514281
No Sonic CD's roll jumping and dynamic camera.
AAAAAAAAY CMON
>>320514281
not enough "tails" areas, he feels like an afterthought.
This fight was shit
>>320518606
Tails has always been an afterthought.
Sandapolis Zone
>>320518856
You're shit. As a little diversion before the final boss onslaught it's fine.
The never played 3&K. I adore sonic 1 and 2, and even can fathom CD after Taxman remade it.
But I never felt motivated to play it. Why is it loved so much?
>>320518856
Learn to spindash the bots nerd
>>320519316
You'll have to play it to get it, but I think it has the best sense of level progression, music, special stages, zones, and replayability of any classic Sonic game.
Its not better than Sonic 2 which is the best Retro Sonic game
>>320519316
what kind of faggot plays sonic 1,2, and Cd, but not the best game(s) in the series? then has the audacity to ask why they are good
>>320519316
Personally, for me, it was that Sonic 1 was my first game and Sonic was a big part of growing up for me. I got Sonic & Knuckles for Christmas (was late on Sonic 3, other two I got at launch), then I found a kid down the road HAD Sonic 3 after I beat Sonic & Knuckles. Plugged them together and holy shit. I couldn't get away from my Mega Drive for months. It's part nostalgia, but part being that it's just such a pleasure to play through each time and I still find new things to this day occasionally.
>>320519316
It's basically Sonic 2 but bigger and better.
Twice as many levels, all the levels are twice as big.
>>320518856
that boss fight was fairly sexy
>>320514281
>game about going fast
>side scroller
>camera so close you have to memorize levels to not constantly bump into shit
Found the flaw
Sonic was never good
>>320515342
Well I mean they were literally designed to be one long game.
>>320519917
Mariobabby detected
Part of being fast is having fast reflexes.
>>320519631
>12 is twice as many as 11
>Hidden Palace is bigger than anything
>>320519917
>game about going fast
This is a logical fallacy though. Because it's something you CAN do in the game that was a focus of advertising, people think the game is ABOUT that and become disappointing when they can't do it.
It's like saying Super Mario World is awful because it's a game about flying with a cape but you hardly ever get a situation to do it.
>>320520023
Is like 1993 all over again
Really though some of the newer sonic games are the only ones to get it right. Going back to replay these without nostalgia goggles makes you realize how flawed they were to begin with.
>>320515392
The fucking instruction manual warns you about bugs. It says something to the effect of "some of Robotnik's traps are so diabolical, you might get stuck with no way out. Please press the reset button if this happens".
>>320520343
And?
>>320520240
Lol no
They never sold us SMW as a game where you can fly as Mario, it was just a little extra thing you could do
Sonic's entire fucking point which is shoved down your throat in every bit of media and merchandise for the character is going fast. The levels are set up to go fast, but unless you memorize obstacles you don't get to actually do it.
DESU Lost World's early stages are what sonic could have been.
>>320520240
Pretty weak analogy although I agree that Sonic's main focus isn't just running like a retard. It's fairly easy to run through the levels, and there are a shit ton of places where you can fly with the cape once it's introduced.
>>320520471
It illustrates the game's bugginess pretty well when the devs felt it necessary to warn players about them in the manual. If you've never got stuck inside the walls of Carnival Night, consider yourself lucky (or a person who hasn't played Sonic 3 all that much)
>>320520517
Sonic is a physics manipulation game where going fast is something that is possible through clever and experienced play.
Why are you so retarded that you can't enjoy a game for its own merits and only care what advertisers told you about it? If I gave you Zelda and told you its a game about mowing dudes down with guns would you wind up dissapointed in that game too?
>>320517129
>i'd rather they rush an incomplete game out
Yeah sure ok kid.
>>320520759
>the word disappointed implies you were not given what you were promised
So yes, if you designed Link's entire public persona around being anime Rambo, and then gave me a bunch of games where you solve puzzles and hit things with a sword, I'd be pretty disappointed.
But to carry that analogy - design all the levels in Zelda with chest high walls and machine gun nests but don't let me fucking use them unless I'm seven and have time to autistically play through the game repeatedly.
Doesn't the game skip the Big Arm fight if you've got the games connected and are playing as Sonic or Tails?
That's fucking bullshit.
>>320520860
But that's exactly, literally, word-for-word what happened with Sonic 3.
Just because they later released the rest of the game (and charged full price for it) doesn't change that.
>>320521147
B-b-but /v/ told me it was the modern gaming industry that rushed out sequels and charged me twice for the same game :(
>>320521106
>Be 7
>Usually play Sonic 3 & Knuckles connected because why not
>One day playing Sonic 3 by itself for some reason.
>pff, easy launch base boss, as always.
>Wait, why if the sky getting dark.
>WHAT IS THIS MUSIC
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
>WHY DO THE FINGERS MOVE LIKE THAT
>WHY DID I DIE EVEN THOUGH I HAD RINGS
I turned the game off in terror and thought for several months that it was only a nightmare.
>>320521147
Sonic 3 on its own is fine as a stand alone, there's no real lack of content and it's no shorter than any other game coming out at the time.
S&K also added replay value to 3, 2, and a whole new game to 1 on top of being a new game itself. Complaining about them not putting 3 and an incomplete S&K together is retarded.
>>320520517
>but unless you memorize obstacles you don't get to actually do it.
So your issue with the game is that you can't git gud?
Mariobabbys, everyone.
>>320520689
Fuck off, that wasn't a common bug at all. It happened, yes, but it's not like you had to step on eggshells to avoid it.
>>320520273
pleb detected
>>320522219
>>320520689
It's not very noticable on the player side, but the fact remains that Sonic 3 is programmed very sloppy and inefficiently.
>Step on wheel in Carnival Night.
>It resets gravity for the entire stage
gg Sega.
>>320514281
SonicCD[/spoiler
>>320522219
>having to replay a section repeatedly is git gud
So this is the power of /v/ apologism
I remember when this board came all over sonic CD but then it became hip
>>320522514is better
>>320515206
The only deathly part about that stage was the sand.
The ghosts were just annoying. It's basically a big water stage, just sub air bubbles for torch switches.
>>320520471
means they're openly admitting their game isn't balanced and polished enough to make it fair when you get trapped.
Games might have been more challenging before they held casual's hands but they were still mostly fair challengers
>>320522583
>having to study a stage's layout to know the fastest way to beat it is a bad thing now
You can call it autism if you want, but the fact remains that you want to get the reward without putting in the effort. AKA, you can't git gud.
>>320522514____________no_________
>>320522778
Or I could play Generations or Lost World and see more than two feet in front of my face while getting the same reward
It's
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Play sonic 3 complete, niggers, it solves most of the things you noticed.
>>320518856
It's actually one of the few Sonic boss fights I enjoyed
>>320514281
I can't work that swing in Mushroom Hill. I was infinitely more adept at this game as a kid, could pass most stages without a scratch, now I'm having trouble beating Angel Island.
>>320519917
Go play Sonic Advance 2 if you want to hold right and beat the fucking game like that then.
The Genesis Sonic games' selling points was speed, and there's a lot of speedy spectacle moments in them, but if you want to go fast outside of those you'll just have to master how the momentum mechanics work.
In other words: Git fucking gud.
>>320522989
>or I could play a game where obtaining this reward is far, FAR easier and doesn't require me to put any effort in it whatsoever
Yeah, you can do that too.
But your lack of skill and/or lazyness to attain it doesn't make the game flawed.
>>320523390
>memorization = skill
Keep trying
If you were playing baseball and the umpire put blinders on everyone I bet you'd be hard for the extra skill necessary to git gud
>>320514281
No Chemical Plant Zone.
>>320523101
lol what?
>>320523802
>memorization = skill
If it's such an easy thing, then why are you having so much trouble going fast? You're literally saying you have less skill than the amount I implied you had.
>>320523802
I'm not that guy but
Why did you compare a sport like basketball to a plaforming game level, I mean if you were to compare it to one why not a track race where you jump over hurdles or an obstacle course.
It's still a Sonic game. So it's still shit.
i've played it so much i can't possibly squeeze a single drop of enjoyment out of it any more. it's dry. dead. i don't want to play it any more, there is nothing to be gained. it's done. finished. i am through.
and yet people still say 'but it's fun' or 'git gud' and i remember one guy spending like an hour quoting my posts with those fish b8 images and i'm like for fuck's sake, i grew up with the game. i've literally been playing it for more than two decades. some bits are good, some not so good, and it's certainly unique in some ways and yet the fact it was literally, on purpose split in two and sold separately during development happens in other games today.
really, where do i go from here besides auto-hiding posts with 'sonic 3 and knuckles', 's3&k' and so forth?
>>320524724
The Sonic Advance games, I guess.
>>320525050
played them. i didn't really find them interesting, although Rush was quite enjoyable
>>320514281
Marble Garden
Carnival Night
Mushroom Hill
Sandopolis
>>320525439
Well, if you liked Rush, then you should play Rush Adventure and Colors DS.
>>320514281
It exists.
