RIP Persona
>http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/12/17/final-fantasy-xv-survey-possibly-hints-at-summer-2016-release-at-the-same-time-as-persona-5/
>>320499495
Summer is composed of 3 months anon
Besides, persona is as big in japan as final fantasy
It would suffer more in the west than at home
>Persona 5 will flop in Japan because of FFXV
>Atlus will never localize
>>320499495
http://nintendoeverything.com/famitsus-most-wanted-games-121315/
>persona 5 got more votes than ffxv even after the punch in the balls that was the delay
Yeah nah, its fine
Persona always had a niche appeal compared to FF anyways, I don't think this will hurt sales.
>>320499770
Localized was confirmed about the same time the original game announcement was
>implying the otaku audience is going to buy Backstreet Boys Fantasy 15
>>320500164
>faggots still think Persona is niche in japan
Persona is mainstream over there
We baka gaijin on the other hand, had more contact with FF, but Persona and FF would not come out at the same time in the west because FF is usually a global release while Persona have a delay
>>320500313
>compared to FF
>>320499495
Are you retarded or what? The user base isn't even the same. Only normie sheep buy FF anymore.
>caring about FF
What is this, the 90's?
Persona is the shit, mang.
Only dirty SMTcucks are still ass blasted that their shitty "mainline" is getting fucking destroyed by the superior spinoff.
>>320500367
Yes, even when compared to FF, persona is mainstream in japan
Unless you were talking specifically about the west, in which they don't compete
>>320499495
I would personally get P5 over FFXV if I had to choose between the two. I expect both to be good, it's just that XV has a bigger chance of being shit.
>>320500420
I plan to buy both Persona 5 and FFXV.
>>320500641
Everyone that have any liking to jrpg's will
Normies on the other hand will buy FF due to brand recognition
Wasn't Persona 5 the most wanted game in 2015 in Japan before it got delayed? Even with FF15 having a TBA release date?
I don't see the problem here.
Persona is shit anyway.
>>320499495
I don't know why, but Final Fantasy 15 looks waaaaay too big for a 2016 release. It's probly gonna come out 2017+
Yeah nah, final fantasy boys love edition might get wrecked this time.
If it was final fantasy 7 remake vs persona 5 yeah, but ff15 is no reason to worry.
>>320500534
Looking at the difference in sales, there's still a pretty huge gap. The point I'm trying the make is that the series don't really compete with each other in Japan, either. Persona appeals to a completely different and more sectioned off crowd than mainline FF, so I doubt XV and P5 releasing in the same season would really cause a conflict.
Get ready for P5 getting delayed again.
>>320500739
refer to >>320499960
It was the most anticipated during most of 2015, before the delay and Dragon Quest XI being announced
Now it regained the lead marginally if you add both versions
>>320499495
I wanted to play both but if it comes into conflict I would buy persona first.
>>320500847
I see, Dragon Quest winning like usual and expected.
Japan loves that game.
>>320500313
>>320500534
According to Atlus, the whole Persona series (all the spinoffs and dancing games included) has sold 6 million to date. The whole 20 year old franchise has sold less than FFXIII alone.
Claiming that their appeal is comparable in any way is not even wrong; it's ridiculous.
>>320500308
fujoshit >otaku money
>>320501217
Yeah, it has a pretty dedicated following now but it's not one of the Big Three (Dragon Quest, Pokemon, FF)
>>320501217
well lets see
1)The series is younger
2)If you don't believe in me then take a look at hard evidence of persona being popular like >>320499960
3)I never stated that persona was more popular than FF in the west
4)Persona gained traction AFTER the release of persona 4, the last game in the series, both in the west and japan
Persona could face off a simultaneous release with FF in japan
Persona won't face off a simultaneous release with FF in the west
>>320500847
>>320499960
>Popular game on PS3 (main japanese platform with a way higher install base) and PS4 wins against PS4 exclusive
WOOOOOOOOW
>>320501626
What you talking about?
More nips will buy it for ps3 than ps4
>>320501668
ps4 than ps3*
fug
>>320501626
>3. [PS4] Persona 5 – 581 votes
>6. [PS3] Persona 5 – 294 votes
WOAAHHHHHHH THE PS3 IS SAVING IT
>>320500313
>Persona is mainstream over there
No it isn't
Compare Persona 4 sales to FF13 sales in Japan
FF13 came out in 2009 and sold 2 million on PS3 and is the highest selling PS3 game in Japan
Persona 4 came out in 2008 on PS2 and sold 360k, that was during PS2 when it had the most install base it could possibly have at the time which was way higher than PS3s install base.
>>320501859
in 2009 persona wasn't mainstream over there yet
Not to mention the lost in traction that FF suffered after XIII
Not like people buy only 1 game a month.
Hell how many of you will not just boy booth.
Assuming you actually care about booth series.
Before fagots who actually dont like these games post how they will buy nether because they believe somoen actually cares.
>>320501913
Persona 4 Golden sold 350k in Japan
And that came out in 2012
>summer 2016
O joy, they made is episodic too
>>320501468
>1)The series is younger
A 20 year old series with a zillion of spinoffs and re-releases has still sold less than a single 6 year old game.
>Famitsu polls
The same Famitsu polls that had Hyrule Warriors above Pokemon or The Last Remnant PS3 on the same level as MGSV? You might as well try to read tea leaves.
Agreed about the release, though. FFXV is planned to have a simultaneous WW release; P5 sure as hell won't.
>>320502026
What? XV is one single game.
>>320502004
And Persona 4 Arena Ultimax for example shipped only 280k worldwide (according to Sega's financials). Sure is mainstream there.
>>320502004
>>320502325
>using spinoffs and ports as basis
How much Theatrhythm sold again?
>>320502325
>>320502004
>>320501859
Thats nice and all
But Square genuinely see P5 as a threat to their release, this means that they cogitate the possible scenario where releasing alongside P5 would damage their sales.
If Persona was the niche fanbase like you are saying in japan, and that is, ignoring all the recent exposure that japs seem to be giving to Persona after 2013, then square would not give a single fuck
tl;dr buy both and support the industry
>>320499495
P5 will outsell it because it doesn't just pander to japanese fujoshi.
>>320499495
>thinking jrpg fans can be made to turn on one jrpg in favor of another jrpg
Whatever, eternal faggot. I will get both. Enjoy CyberDowngrade 2077 not launching until 2020+.
>>320499495
Dude, NEET's can handle 2 games at once. This is like Kurisumasu in Summer for them.
This is their own fault no one told them to not release anything for years and then drop three games at once
Persona 5 will end up like this
>Jap release in spring 2016
>NA 2017
>EU digital 2018
>>320503891
Oh look its that popular meme again
>>320500308
you say that like both games aren't aimed at fujoshi
otaku only play h games now
>>320499495
I certainly won't buy Persona 5 first if it doesn't have the original dub.
At least FF15 having it is confirmed already.
>>320504193
fuck off and don't come back without proof supporting your baseless generalizations
>>320504193
Persona no doubt is pandering to them, but not them alone. FF on the other hand is like a Free! jrpg. Otaku won't care about it.
>>320504336
Anon they won't release at the same time in the west
>>320499495
idgaf I'll buy both
>>320500308
>The otaku audience only care about girls and doesn't include fujoshi-meme.
>>320504472
Fujoshi ain't gonna go out and buy ps4s for this
And this sausage fest won't appeal to otaku
>>320504336
>have the original dub.
>>320503464
>not pandering to Fujoshi
They shit an insane amount of money in merchandise that panders to them, they help with advertising, they do an humanly impossible amount of BLs and doujins
Why do you think there's so much male tease in nip media nowadays?
Who cares, FF hasn't been good since 12
>>320502598
Persona 4 is mainline Persona
It sold 360k in Japan when it came out in 2008
Persona 4 Golden is an Enhanced Port, it sold 350k in Japan when it came out in 2012
FF13 is a mainline Final Fantasy
It sold 2 million in Japan when it came out in 2009 and is the highest selling PS3 game in Japan
Final Fantasy 13-2 is a cheap sequel made with reused assets, it came out in 2011 and it sold 800k in Japan and is the second highest selling PS3 game in Japan
Do people only buy 1 game a month?
Is that a thing?
>>320505085
Watch Square delay their game to not compete with Persona then
It's like you can't buy two games or be a fan of the different series.
>>320505189
I don't even fucking know why we are discussing this
If FF releases on japan in summer, the west will get it on summer
If Persona releases on japan in summer, the west will get it at the end of summer or fall
And Persona can hold their ground in japan, so its not like it will flop either
>>320505189
Games take time to finish
>>320505029
>just
Vidya is different to anime. It can't sell with them alone. Especially when smartphones/browser games are such a dominating force.
>>320505189
I usually buy all my games at once but I know better than to buy two JRPG's in one month
>>320505365
Yeah, Atlus need time to censor the game after all. We're discussing this because the survey is for japan
>>320505458
normiebook casual detected
>>320499495
More like rip ff.
Nobody wants that gay kh boyband shit m8
>>320505365
>>320505387
>>320505458
Are you guyscasuals?
>>320505412
Mane, videogames is one of the main sources of fujo content, and PS4 is the best selling console this gen, they're gonna get the game for the homo tease.
You're underestimating fujos, they blow their money like it's nobody's business.
>>320505729
No, I would buy both at the same period of time and alternate playing them, but I know this won't occur so I don't even need to think about it
>>320505249
>compete
Lol
More like only vocal weebs will even buy Persona which will barely even be close to 1 million if its lucky, while XV will sell 5 million minimum
Any chances FFXV getting a PC port?
waited too long for this game to play it on PS4
>>320505365
XV is a confirmed simultaneous worldwide release and has dual audio.
>>320505942
>XV
>Selling 5 million
FFXIII released at the height of FF popularity and sold almost 6 million
Since then FF got hit like a truck and its popularity took a nose dive
It will sells around 2 million
>>320505765
>fujos
>buying console games
They still buy anime on dvd.
And ps4 isn't doing well in japan because everyone is sticking with ps3s.
>>320506048
>height of popularity
That was in the ps1-ps2 era
>>320506167
FFXII sold very well
>>320506057
>Not buying your favorite anime on DVD
Kill yourself.
>>320506195
I know. Thanks for agreeing with me
>>320506379
Y-you are welcome..
>>320501859
>2008 on the PS2.
Damn the japs are slow to switch platforms, no wonder there's still games scheduled for 2017 that will release on the PS3 outside of sports shit.
>>320502926
Everything is relatively niche in Japan now. Moreover, the survey wasn't about Persona; it was a comprehensive, 45+ questions long survey about their audience's buying habits. They asked about preferred settings, what industry people work in, how often they play console games, how they play smartphone games etc. P5 was an optional question that you got only if you'd expressed interest in it before.
>>320506048
>FFXIII released at the height of FF popularity and sold almost 6 million
No it sold after a slump of FF and only sold because it was the first HD FF
And FF13 sold 7 million, XIVARR/HW is also doing better than FF11 was.
>Since then FF got hit like a truck and its popularity took a nose dive
Nope, XV demo already sold 1 million which is more than FF7s demo sold which was only 700k
PS4 install base is already higher than PS3s was when FF13 came out and XV is far more hyped up than FF13 ever was, XV is a guaranteed 5 million minimum
>>320506461
Well persona always came late to the party
>>320506537
it was also the only question regarding a release window
>>320506546
Everyone that is interested in FFXV bought the demo anon
1 million is (being generous here, it is likely a higher percentage) 50% of the potential consumer base
>>320506537
>favorite settings
>protagonist is a guy
>protagonist is a woman
>no option for m2f, f2m or otherkin protagonist
Triggered
>>320506768
Just like everyone interested bought the MGS2 demo in 2001? It was the most hyped game of its time, yet its demo pack-in sold only a few hundred thousands. Or Tobal No. 1 for FFVII, despite its CoD tier marketing?
I'll buy both
>>320506768
>Everyone that is interested in FFXV bought the demo anon
No people who were interested in Type-0 and wanted a free demo bought Type-0 HD to get a free XV demo
By your logic only 700k people were interested in FF7 because that is how much people got the demo with Tobal No1
Are you fucking retarded?
XV is guaranteed 5 million, from 10 years of hype and anticipation, from being on PS4 which is doing better than both the PS3 and PS4 were doing, from it going to get a big advertising too which all mainline FF get which will only increase sales even more
You Persona weebs are delusional as fuck
>>320507185
>2001
And Gaming magazines were still popular back then
Are you really applying consumer behavior from 14 years ago to present day?
>>320507317
>from being on PS4 which is doing better than both the PS3 and PS4 were doing,
from being on PS4 which is doing better than both the PS2 and PS3 were doing*
>>320507317
See you in the release day delusional faggot
Im saving your post, this way we
>>320507462
we can recognize each other*
>>320499495
I think persona already got a pretty solid fanbase.
I mean, weebshit are selling like hot cakes in steam
>>320507462
Ok faggot
FFXVs demo sold already more than Persona 4 did, holy fuck you are retarded
>>320506659
Most console games in the survey don't have a set release window yet. No point in asking whether people'd pick Toriko or FFXV when nobody has any idea about Toriko's planned release date.
>>320507626
Yes
Keep feeding me future shitposting ammo
>>320507697
He's right tho
People always have and always will care more about Final Fantasy games than MegaTens, simply because they're more normie-friendly.
In addition to that, this will be a massive open-world game with realistic graphics and action combat. No way it's not gonna sell like hotcakes
>>320507205
Shit that looks good
>>320507367
And your wild claims are based on nothing but your hopes and dreams.
>>320507894
No need to play mental gymnastics, FF is simply a better franchise.
>>320507597
>le weebshit meme
>FFXV coming out around the same time as Ys 8 and Persona 5
0 fucking percent chance I'm getting FFXV first
>>320507894
Everyone here will buy both, hell, I would buy both if they released at the same day (which they won't)
I just want to tame our little faggot here that still thinks that FF is the hot shit from the ps2 years
>>320505729
Is it casual to take time enjoying vidya and savour it?
Man, you reminds me of one of those nerd that watch anime for the sole reason of adding one to their MAL list
>>320508048
>Ys 8
Elaborate
>>320508048
>Ys is shit and Persona is going to need PS4 jailbreak to get an undub version.
100 fucking percent chance I'm getting FFXV first
>>320508218
>PS4 jailbreak
Soon
>>320507894
Japanese normies are playing on smartphones, not consoles.
>>320508175
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/15/ys-viii-lacrimosa-of-dana-announced-for-playstation-4-and-playstation-vita/
Takes place in Gria in the 3 year gap between Ys V and VI
>>320499495
>two shitty games released at the same time
HAHAHA.
Oh boy, I certainly can't decide what should I do!
>>320508115
Dont take everything so seriously on the internet.
>>320508414
>not giving an example of game you like
Are you afraid to be judged or something
Go play Fallout 4
>>320508408
Nice
So, when will Xseed bring to west?
2019?
>>320499495
I would definitely go P5 over FFXV for the music
>>320508495
Memories of Celceta came about a year after the Japanese release. Since it's got a home console version I'm sure they'll be more inclined to get it out the door faster for more sales. Ys doesn't take as long as the Kiseki games to translate because there's far less dialogue
>>320508218
Not him, but can't you just import the Japanese version?
I don't know shit about the PS4 and importing japanese games etc, just asking.
>>320499495
>most enthusiasts would buy p5
>most normies would buy FF
The result of this poll should be clear for japan
Just means that the turn-based fans will only get Persona.
>>320508656
He can't read the runes
i'm sure persona has enough of a dedicated fanbase after p4
>>320508495
Probably mid 2017. It seems like Falcom is looking into overseas publishing for Tokyo Xandau so Xseed will probably do that first.
>>320508747
This
Most faggots don't get that, Atlus got a very rabid and dedicated fanbase that would buy literal shit from their office bathroom, how the fuck do you think that their concerts and events are always full despite being the same padding shit over and over?
>>320508656
>I can't understand Japanese enough to read it but I want the nipnong voices anwyay!
pathetic
>>320508670
>weebs will by p5
>weebs and normies will buy ff
ftfy
>>320508968
modern weebs only care about 2d and fujoshi
Altho FF got fujoshi, it can't compete with 2d and high school
>>320504336
Sadly we will miss Nana Mizuki as one of the heroines.
>>320508898
Terrible VA in a language I can't understand is better than terrible VA in a language I do understand.
>>320499495
Poor fags will get Persona 5
those games take forever to beat
If the game is done why is it "possibly" coming out next summer instead of now?
>implying its not vaporware
>>320509096
Isn't FF on average about 40 hours long or so without doing all the side shit that they put on it?
>>320509268
FFs are usually 40-50 hours without the sidequests
(20 hours for the shortest games mfw type 0)
Personas are 70-80ish
>P5 is the most hyped game in Japan and recent FF games have had bad sales in japan.
RIP FFXV
>>320509070
And fucking Fukuyama and Miyano too
This absolutely sucks.
>>320509407
Was the most hyped
The dragon quest fetishism that nips have dethroned it and persona is now on second place
Just like FF, Persona has an established fanbase.
It's not some flavor of the month/year game like Shillout 4 or Blundertale.
People who were going to buy it, will buy it.
>>320499495
As long as they are two weeks apart most people will buy both. Normalfags give up playing games after like 6 hours anyway.
how about getting a job and buying both?
over dramatic cunts everywhere man
>>320509090
The English Persona VAs do a good job come on now
>>320509423
Aoi Yuuki too
Fuck, Aoi Yuuki make my dick diamond and we gonna lose her
>>320509520
Pity there are only 3 of them.
>>320499495
I'm gettng both, I don't depend on my mom's wallet to see what i buy and what i don't buy.
Too bad the Atlus fanbase has been ruined by bandwagonfags
>>320509631
>fanbase
who fucking gives a shit it has nothign to do with the quality of the game
>>320509520
They sure won't come close to the P5 nip cast though.
>>320499495
>Summer is one, single specific day
ok
>>320509732
I don't speak Chinese, anon.
>People on planet Earth really think FF15 will be shit
Have you played the demo or did you just watch it on youtube like faggots?
>>320509903
>Have you played the demo
Anon, that would only give credence to their suspicions
>>320509903
I have the demo
I like it, that is why im gonna buy both
But Persona holds a special place in my heart
>>320510092
I did not say Persona wasn't worth buying, don't worry
>>320510072
UpvotedxD +1
vidyas are shit am i rite
>>320509727
Except it does because Atlus panders to brony bandwagon fags like you now
You realize that Westerners will collectively cry about the downfall of the JRPG when these two games are more Japanese than ever. People will declare them to be "weeb pandering shit" and cry about how dead these series are. Final Fantasy and Persona were always REALLY Japanese, but for some reason the West is only just deciding it's a problem.
It doesn't matter when these two are released in relation to each other. They'll get panned by Western critics and flop regardless. I don't know why non-weebs still talk about them if all they're going to say is that they're weebshit. OF COURSE THEY'RE WEEBSHIT. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN WEEBSHIT.
>>320509841
It doesn't matter.
>>320511339
Does to me
>>320511285
>always REALLY Japanese, but for some reason the West is only just deciding it's a problem.
Peoples who started gaming with the 360.
>>320508540
So you have shit taste then
XV has based Shimomura
Persona has literally who with shitty try hard jazz funk because hipster
>>320511412
You're just a pleb, it really don't.
Don't tell me you watch european movies with their english dubs too?
inb4 p5 wins the poll, and they push XV back 6 months
>>320511467
Jazz fusion is pretty good but what got me into Meguro was his goofy J-pop shit
>>320511504
I don't watch European movies. I'm not gay. I watched Evangelion dubbed though. Make of that what you will
>>320511427
Next you're going to tell me they're hyped about Star Ocean, but still hate weeb games.
Nah, that's too outrageous to even be a shitpost. There's no way babby's first JRPG on 360 could be complete animefaggotry and Western players didn't notice.
>>320511589
The survey is just to see if XV fans like Persona
The survey also asks if you play vidya on the toilet
>>320511589
If they release it on summer, then P5 lost the poll
If they don't release it on summer, then well..the nips grew some balls
>people can't buy 2 games at once
Jesus normies.
>>320511467
>sameomura
>based
I'm glad you've played three or four JRPGs but you should really try more of them.
>>320511690
>I'm not gay.
Yet you don't experience your games the way the creator intended.
>>320511880
>sameomura
>Literally one of the most diverse JRPG composers across her Street Fighter 2, Kingdom Hearts, Parasite Eve, FFXV, Xenoblade, Super Mario RPG etc music
Holy shit your trash taste could not be more apparent if you tried, Persona is literally trash tier jazz funk and butt rock
>>320499495
I will buy both. And have no life for the better part of the year
>>320512046
>JRPG
Meant Japanese vidya*
If I could only afford one, it would be P5.
It's been forever since we got an real, earnest, Persona game.
And while that is true for FF as well, it's not for lack of SEs trying.
>>320499495
Gee, looks like I'm buying both
Though it is more likely that XV is getting an International release
>tfw FFXV-kun started shitposting on /ic/ too
>>320499495
Why not both, I was planing on picking up both when they came out anyways.
Also FFXV will likely not be complete when it releases (Airships and stuff will be added for free later). I'm pretty excited for FFXV but if you had to wait for one of these games, FFXV will be a better experience to play later.
When did Persona suddenly become a big deal?
Is it because the last one was the Vita's only good game?
>>320511909
If you say so
>>320512524
When your momma and I played it last month while you were sleeping
>>320512524
It's been the most popular JRPG on /v/ since P3 came out. For some reason the retards here think it's "one of the less-weeb JRPGs" despite being 99% otaku pandering. 4 even has a literal idol in it, for fuck's sake.
>>320512296
XV is a simultaneous worldwide release
>>320511731
What do you mean?
I'm saying peoples who hate nip games and scream WEEB WEEB everytime are underage b& that weren't playing videogames during the golden age.
It's always true. That and there's also peoples who did played them but were used to japanese art style then, but not now, since playing typically nip looking games during last gen was pretty hard.
>>320513463
I was being sarcastic very poorly. My main point is that Star Ocean was SUPER weeby, but did pretty well in the West. A lot of people started talking about it after the E3 trailer recently. When it comes out, I expect people to declare it to be shit because it has every anime stereotype possible, and you spend half the time in game flirting with your harem.
Nobody except for a professional videogame critic could possibly be dense enough to not have realized that Star Ocean 4 was a trashy anime in videogame form. That's not going to fly by the time Star Ocean 5 comes out.
>>320509470
I will buy it
>>320512524
P3 interested some jrpg enthusiasts
P4 attracted a following that would serve as the foundation of the devoted persona fanbase
P4: Golden widened the popularity of persona, specially in japan, since when P4 released the ps2 was already on its last legs and thus not many people got it
Meanwhile in the west a shitload of people emulated it and formed the western counterpart of the fanbase
