What happened to the RTS genre /v/?
I miss the days of Age of Empires where high level play meant that the game would last for hours. Thesedays RTS games never seem to last more than 10 minutes, with all units geared around rushing the enemy.
Are there any good, modern long play RTS games? Have I just been missing them?
Age of Empires and Company of Heroes defined the genre and nobody wants to challenge them so they just keep making Starcraft clones
>>320488779
MOBAs happened
Supreme Commander, although you can finish the game fairly quickly if you're good
>>320488779
Don't work on consoles and most people can't multitask to save their lives.
>>320488779
It achieved something that no other genre has, it achieved perfection.
Thats why all modern RTS games are terrible, they cant achieve perfection since it has already been achieved.
wololo
>>320489759
Rogan?
>>320488779
>I miss the days of Age of Empires where high level play meant that the game would last for hours.
You never watched or played at a high level then. AoE2 was all about rushing. Competitive games ended extremely quickly.
>>320489567
>Don't work on consoles
not really. your other point still stands.
>>320488779
Competitive games of AoE II can actually end quite quickly, anon. Age in particular (excluding Mythology) just moves a bit slower than some other RTS games.
>>320489567
So why don't 8th consoles implement KB/M controls, then? At this stage they're technically x86 prebuilts.
>>320488779
e-sports happened. there is no remotely casual audience anymore, because all ofusshitters know that when we beat single player it's like we've just managed to float in the kiddy pool, meanwhile Michael Phelps is DPing our gal in the back with his olympian double penis. SCBW killed RTS.
>>320489803
>was
aoe2 competitive scene is more advanced right now than it ever was. you can watch the twitch streams and see
basically the 4v4 games can still last a very long time and are really complicated. but yea 1v1 it can be over in 15 minutes but they play alot of games to account for the randomness of the maps
>>320489759
>gif
>doesnt move hand
step it up senpai
>>320490007
Since when have 4v4 modes ever been considered competitive in RTS games?
What PC game genre hasn't faded to obscurity when compared to the 90s?
Oldfags keep blaming the kids but truth is they killed the genre themselves by obsessing over the fastest way to win over fun.
>>320488779
>RTS are niche, although are a large niche
>their niche size has never increased
>other genres got massive
>RTS now looks dead in comparison
Thats about it really.
Has anybody ever made a City Builder RTS with multiplayer?
AoE 2 sucks competitevely. It's Aztecs vs Huns the game. Or Vikings vs Vikings if it is a water map.
>>320489902
>So why don't 8th consoles implement KB/M controls, then? At this stage they're technically x86 prebuilts.
Because the selling point of consoles is that they don't have a mouse and keyboard. If you add a mouse and keyboard to a console then you just have an overpriced, underpowered PC that can only run the operating system and play the games that the manufacturer allows.
SOmeone make a game.
>>320490084
>>320490137
The Anno series
Age of Empires refined the genre to the point where improving it any more wouldn't be economically favorable.
>>320490084
You can have fun winning.
>>320489759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-_T7E360Zo
Sins of a Solar Empire was excellent
>>320489668
This. When I think about it, there's really nothing left to do with the genre.
>>320488779
>What happened to the RTS genre /v/?
>RTS games never seem to last more than 10 minutes
Well you know, people grew up and got these things called a job, so they don't have the time to play a game for hours in one sitting.
>>320490593
Age of Empires has a few little niggles like bad pathfinding and lack of a few modern features like autoexplore.
It would be nice to have an update of AoEII every few years that just folded some modern features in and left the balance the same.
>>320490721
So you don't have time to see a movie?
>>320490797
to watch*
>>320490759
Well, AoE2 HD added some modern features such as move-attack
>>320490759
AoM had some nice QoL improvements to the interface compared to AoE 2, the Shift-RMB waypoints especially were much better. For instance, you could send off a builder back to chopping wood when he's done as opposed to hitting the idle villager button and reassigning him manually. It also made scouting much more easier.
There was also an idle military banner, and the idle villager button only appeared when one was actually idle.
>>320490797
I'm happy for you for being able to spend your limited time on mindless entertainment, but some of us have actual responsibilities and goals in life.
>>320490954
And yet you are shitposting on 4chan.
>>320490954
You didn't answer my question.
Also this >>320490991.
But ignore that post, just answer my question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8R4BAQf7is
>>320488779
more of these aoe2 memes
>>320489759
Olimas.
>>320491103
Here's one
>>320490185
Dat samurai though
>>320490185
You mean Mayans right
>>320491224
Go to bed, Spirit of the Law. Or make some graphs.
Samurai are a shit unit.
>>320491214
Shhh ha
>>320491336
>>shit unit
>counters unique units
>defeats jags if gets first hit
slightly stronger than champ
>go to bed plz noob.
>>320491432
>>counters unique units
And fire-ships counter galleys
>>defeats jags if gets first hit
Finally something the samurai can defeat!
>slightly stronger than champ
Champions are less costly and can be produced in greater numbers.
>>320490991
He's not shitposting, he's just wasting his " limited time" trying desperately to feel superior and better about himself. That's part of having actual responsibilities and goals in life, it's not pathetic and hypocritical at all.
>>320491920
What's the point of taking on work unnecessarily if you aren't going to lord it over the sensible people who choose to be NEET?
postan
>>320489814
Ahh mate. Best game ever played that shit like a madman
>>320493083
So Blue went into hiding and nuked everyone else's commanders?
Man I gotta give SupCom another go but I'm not liking the first game's campaign so much.
>>320488779
Pay-to-win, mobile games happened to the genre, anon.
>>320493083
what is going on here
>>320493083
i like how blue goes over and handles business with his commander at the edge of the island
at first i was like wtf, what happened to red.
bot fucked up by trying to go naval, shoulda just pushed air on that type of map.
>>320492120
>Still wasting his "limited time".
>>320492120
>What's the point of taking on work unnecessarily if you aren't going to lord it over the sensible people who choose to be NEET?
Exactly, I totally agree with you. Lording these deluded idiots over with our nonsensical posts gives us an actual and real sense of power. Glad that we share the same actual responsibilities and goals in life.
>sensible people
Yeah. You should teach them how to be less sensible, you seem the right person. When you will have enough time, obviously.
Daily reminder that Starcraft 2 needs a genuine competitor, backed by a large publisher and crafted ith intricate skill to revive the RTS-genre. That will never happen
>>320493083
I remember watching some 2 player Supcom pro games way back when it was newish. It was fucking awful. Any water totally imballanced the sides making one race only for use on water maps and early attacks were allways met with a suicide commander strike resulting in a draw.
Most of the games that got past that were mass clicking on trees and using tricks to shoot aircraft through shields.
Pity, the game could have been awesome at high level play.
>>320494520
SupCom was definetly not balanced for pro gaming, but 4+ games were intense and exciting
>>320494520
you could just set engineers to move+attack or patrol and they will harvest mass automatically
> not a normally cinematic genre
> metagame shit
> MOBAs
> eSports that everyone (retards) can understand
>>320489759
>>320495315
Should I start with AoEII or with AoM?
>>320495392
>>320495460
AoE II, definitely.
AoM is a smaller, though fun spin-off.
>>320495551
Thank you.
Also, what about do you guys think about Rise of Nations and Cossacks: European Wars?
I keep telling you people, rts games didn't get faster, you just sucked at playing them. age of empires and command and conquer were both retard fast when played competitively.
SC2 is pretty good right now, I'm sure it's too casual for /v/ though.
>>320495773
Rise of Nations is great. I prefer it to AoE.
>>320490954
>Wagecucks are this pathetic
>>320489814
RTS games flop on console, by this alone they certainly don't work you fucking autist
RTS fans are cancer incarnate.
>>320498204
so are fighting games fans and JRPG fans
>>320495493
>Times New RomanGood taste
>>320498437
But the worst are fpsfags and mmocancer.
>>320488779
War may not change but the way War is done does changes, get on with the times
>>320498437
>>320498653
You are forgetting the real worst ones: ASSFAGGOTS
Micro / Build Orders / Rushing makes it boring for even the skilled layman. I love RTS games but if you want to have even a sliver of a chance to play them well you need to memorize a fuckload of shit and have a really good APM, if you can't do those two things you literally cannot compete on even a basic level.
>>320490084
This. Similar to other 'esports' and competitive games players want to emulate pros because they're the best.
Just so happens that the best RTS players are fucking insane asian ricemachines, so to compete you're either operating on an entirely different level, in terms of micro, hotkeys, actions per minute and min maxing your build order for the fastest win possible that even being a minute behind your opponent means you're fucked and have no chance at being competitive with other players, so instead of learning and getting better people get discouraged by the massive skill floor.
Even the average player who enjoys the games can't compete which is why WC3 had such a great custom scene relative to it's actual game scene.
I just wanted to mention that pro-gaming or esports has lost all it's value and meaning. MOBAs are played on a professional leve, which is a joke, and even games on consoles (Call of Duty, halo) have a ''respected'' esport-scene.
Even fucking command and conquer has more competetive value to it, than 50% of the esport-games out there
>>320499179
Well, there's only so much macro you can remove before the game plays itself. Like take AoE2, you could include features like auto-build when resources are available, auto-recruit villagers,, auto-scouting, and that'd already remove a bunch of the tedious aspects. But how much can you do apart from that?
>>320500480
Actual strategic planning
>>320500554
No, I meant in the sense of automizing stuff that's not particularly skillful
Like, properly kiting with archers takes a lot of apm, but it's also a big factor differentiating players from each other. You could intoduce an auto-kite feature, but then the skillcap would also take a considerable hit
>>320495680
Wololo
