How's your main doing anons?
Better? Worse? Ignored?
Pic related, it's good to be king, I've been stomping on blond fuckbois all week
Dr. Mario was not tampered with, currently using this time with him matched up against faster blonde ike.
Venturing from my comfort zone of Dr. Mario, Meta Knight and Donkey Kong, I am currently liking Mewtwo now (although I wish they didn't weaken his Shadow Ball recoil.)
Its actually Bayonetta if she isn't Top tier, my autism prevents me from maiming such characters
>>320471245
>maiming
>>320471212
Speaking of Ike, it's fucking discusting that he's basically overshadowed by Cloud now. Even this early I cant think of an Ike matchup that Cloud can't do better.
My mains were untouched. That said, I picked up Roy again to deal with my friend's Cloud.
By the way, Wario can eat Limit swordbeams, shit's hilarious.
Ike, Lucas and soon Bayo it seems
>>320471351
Ike plays very different to cloud.
I've been an Ike main since Brawl, and I can safely tell you that the only similarity in playstyle comes and ends at bair.
All of Ike Smash attacks are better than Cloud, his uTilt and Ftilt are better, faster, and both can be used as kill moves.
He even has better recovery.
Cloud IS better than Ike at neutral though. His autocancel Uair and Nair are way too fucking good. And having kill confirms from dair into FINISHING TOUCH is too good.
His neutral B is shit as a projectile (can't use it as a leading hitbox like Mario can with his fireball) since it has too much lag on Cloud, so that is inconsequential.
Bowser is still low tier don't let anyone fool you OP
I "main" Bowser & Pikachu.
>>320471760
My fucking negro. I'm really happy with Cloud being Ike+Shulk, but nobody will replace the real Ike.
>>320471836
He's always been mid tier in Sm4sh and he probably just got the heaviest buff in all the roster. People I have played are absolutely terrified of him so far.
>>320471574
Oh jesus, are you me?
Only one choice.
WARIO
This was Palutena's last chance at getting a buff and Sakurai just sweeps her under the rug like last weeks pussy.
>>320472078
Cloud relies too much on his setups into Limit breaks for kills, or a hard heard for an Fsmash.
Ike's dtilt might not be as amazing as Cloud but it takes Ike into airdodge 50/50s where his bair seals the deal.
Ike's bair SHITS on Cloud's pansy bair. Ragnell hits like a truck.
I'm still mirin Cloud's Uair. That shit might be one of the best moves in neutral in the entire game. And his dtilt is just dumb good.
>>320472230
Anon they'll have to patch up for Bayonetta and Corrin. We're not done yet.
>>320472120
>He's always been mid tier in Sm4sh and he probably just got the heaviest buff in all the roster. People I have played are absolutely terrified of him so far.
He still can't land, he's still a huge hitbox that's easy to juggle, he still sucks.
I don't know why you think suddenly having Koo-Pah makes him not shit.
It's a gimmick kill setup just like Ding Dong.
>>320472390
>It's a gimmick kill setup just like Ding Dong.
>gimmick
So ZSS Dthrow>Uair>Uair>UpB is also a GimmicK?
Did they touch Peachor Mario?
>>320472230
Fucking
Cry
More
>>320472310
That's what I'm hoping for too.
>Olimar
>Samus
>Palutena
>ZELDA
>Ness getting a walljump I hope this is reasonable it's just too fucking easy to beat him
>>320472390
>He can't land
He can and does if you know how to use your fire breath. N-air can also be good, it's just not as safe.
Ya, he gets juggled a little easy, that's a given being the heaviest character. However, he has excellent punish options if a combo is anything but perfect. He also benefits the most from rage.
>>320470729
>Mario
Barely got changed over the course of every patch, I love it
>Doc
Pretty shit character, at this point I think I only play him because I like Mario in Smash + Melee character loyalty. He's pretty fun though, dat upB out of shield + pillspam + fun combos
I secondary Falco and Puff. Falco is pretty fun, pretty satisfying (but short) combos if you do them right. Smash 4 Puff is just shit though, surprised she never got any buffs, not even anything for Rest.
>>320472196
My nigger, you gotta work for results sometimes but damn it, Wario is just too fun.
>>320472505
It would be if that was the only thing making ZSS good.
MetaKnight's dash into up air chain to up B is the same shit, it's the only thing that makes MetaKnight good.
It's just a gimmick that makes them viable.
ZSS is actually good though.
Maybe he'll be goodin Smash 5
>>320473015
>BnBs are gimmicks
If they work, they work.
You know what's a real gimmick? Using G&W bucket in doubles to earn install kills (talking about real competitive doubles with friendly fire on).
Thankfully they took that gimmick out.
A gimmick is something that requires no effort from you.
>>320472835
>Landing with Fire Breath
What a horrible idea except in the case of when you b reverse it as a mix up.
>He also benefits the most from rage.
That's actually Dedede who does.
And no, a combo doesn't have to be perfect on Bowser to not be punished, Bowser doesn't have anything that comes out quick.
>>320473110
Meh, he's still the best scrub duster in the game, which is what I think people want to love the Dorf for.
At least they where willing to exaggerate his moves a bit to try and give him at edge.
>ignored every single patch except a huge nerf the first one and a major bugfix the fourth one
Kill me.
Still not sold about Nair but i appreciate the Dark dive, D-smash & Dair buffs.
>>320470729
Not so good. No real buffs lately and Shield Breaker is still weakened. As someone who loves shitting on defensive players I'm really disappointed by how less often I'm taking out shields.
But she's still good enough. Tiers are for queers and whatnot, I still can't see what places her and Marth so low. To me it seems their attacks are super-fast with a lot of endlag, so the best way for me to play is to go for broke and do everything I can to hit. For example, Dolphin Slash is just about always safe if you actually hit the target with it, and it's just about the fastest move. F-Smash I'm sure still has to be one of the game's best, right?
I need some thoughts on Marth and Lucina, I don't hear much from others who play them lately. I'm no pro, but I'm not shabby either. I win a good amount.
>>320473149
>A gimmick is something that requires no effort from you.
Effort doesn't really have anything to do with what that word means.
That said, getting the vast majority of your kills from a single move means the character is unbalanced and if anything happens to that move/setup they stop being viable.
That's a gimmick.
>>320473209
Do you even play the character? Bowser Fire is safe on shield, and takes only seconds to recharge. If your good with it then your opponent has to make reads while your descending instead of just rushing you down.
Neutral A, B-air and D-air all have great speed considering their knockback, while Whirling Fortress is one of the fastest moves in the game, and is spectacular out of shield. SideB and Utilt also got speed buffs, Utilt being particularly fast now.
>>320473209
>Bowser doesn't have anything that comes out quick.
>Whirling fortress on its own or out of shield
>dash grab with almost Captain tier reach
>Bair
>jab
>up smash
hes got plenty of punish options, all his moves hit like a truck, he now has a throw combo, can break full shields in one move, is the heaviest character in the game, what more can you want? Hes an easy mid tier
>>320473593
So basically a characters needs a ton of gimmicks for his gimmicks to not be considered gimmicks.
Makes sense.
>>320470729
ignored i think, i didn't look at the patch note but i guess he remained untouched
>>320473547
They are bad because swords are bad. Cloud is really the only character where the blade is an impossible, invincible hitbox during attacks like it's supposed to be.
>>320473723
All the other swordfighters have disjointed hitboxes.
Ike's alone is more disjointed than Cloud. Cloud's uair and nair are just a bit faster.
>Bowser main
>go online after the update
>Cloud
>never fight him before
>still manage to win the first match and most of the others as various characters
The guy didn't switch from Cloud, so I figured it'd be good practice.
That projectile he has is bullshit with limit though. Travels across most of the stage and will KO at decent percentages. Fuck that.
>>320473547
>I still can't see what places her and Marth so low
Their range sucks, they don't have anything that's safe on shield, their grab is shit and has no real follow ups, and their punish game isn't really very good.
There's nothing that actually makes Marth or Lucina good, they don't excel in anything.
And Marth's tippered F-Smash is really powerful, but it's not so powerful that it makes him worth using.
>>320473829
That is absolutely not the worst thing about Limit Breaks
>>320473547
With all the buffs low/mid tiers havereceived Marth is at the bottom of the mid-tiers now, with Lucina already on the Garbage-tier.
>>320473829
Learn to dodge/shield it, only the initial hit does any real shield damage.
Cloud is free kill. He literally works like Little mac, but his recovery is worse because he doesn't snap to the ledge.
If cloud is off stage, with no meter, he should in 100% of the time die.
Easiest character to just D-smash at the ledge.
Of smash with anything, it will still hit.
>>320470729
>buy cloud
>he's total shit
>his release was even eclipsed by two characters who look infinitely more interesting
welp
>Lucas' grab
>>320474120
>he's shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CFggYa_Gs
Learn some setups first, then cry about it later.
>>320474094
This, even bitch-ass lvl 9s can't figure out how to come back after getting launched at around 70-80.
>>320472230
There might be another balance update in Feburary when the other 2 characters are out. That's a big maybe though.
>>320474312
Every single patch (except 1.1.2 since it was an emergency patch to fix's Diddy no-grab bug) has come with balances.
Pac-mains where we at
>>320474361
True, so its pretty much absolute then. Thats good to know.
duck hunt still can't kill anything until the opponent has enough rage to rape a stock at 50%
>>320473874
>their range sucks
Compared to what? I've seen the bullshit with Shiek and such, but other than that they seem pretty decent in the air with that, they even beat out plenty of air fighters that way. It's pretty shabby on the ground, sure, but Fsmash is pretty decent when it comes to that.
Also Shield Breaker is a little more than safe on shield.
>>320473983
How is Lucina so far below anyway? I get that she's easy modo and lacks the tipper, but one of her only kill moves that matters is still extremely powerful for how fast it is, her sword only makes it more reliable. Even the most skilled player in the world can't ensure a tipper all the time, since an opponent can move unpredictably as well or simply slide too far inwards.
>>320473547
Shield breakers are fine. They still kill more than half of a shield uncharged
Melee Fox.
>>320474648
>Compared to what?
Compared to marth in previous games
>>320474648
That's exactly why she's lower, Marth always feels threatening because he can randomly tipper F-smash you at 40% to kill you, plus tippers are safer on shield, even if you don't get tippers all the time Marth is superior in almost every way & MU.
>>320474425
>his grab is still wonky as fuck
just at least make it so it covers the range of the animation god damn
>>320474648
The thing is that a lot of players miss something about Marth.
He can combo better than Lucina because if you hit with a sourspot it is weaker than Lucina, which sends the opponent closer to you.
Also Marth's entire metagame is fishing for tippers, it's all he has against other characters in smash 4.
Lucina doesn't even have that. You basically just wall them out with attack hoping to land an Smash attack, which Marth can do better and at an earlier %.
There's no real reason to pick Lucina over Marth, not even one. The equal sword mechanic actually fucks her up more than help.
>mfw patch 1.1.4 comes out and EVERYONE gets buffed in some way just to make Bayonetta seem OP as fuck
>>320474843
*not OP, fuck
Do you guys think Balance patches will stop 100%?
I mean, they could still keep coming from time to time. Are they really just going to abandon the game altogether like that?
Doing just fine, pocketing everything. All kinds of Shinanagens
I feel like no one aside from people on /v/ will use Bayo because she's way too technical for them. I never see anyone even use Ryu but myself.Also dropping every single main just for Bayonetta when she comes out.
>>320474960
I think they will announce when the balance patches will stop, maybe giving a little time after one they have recently released (not saying Corrin/Bayo patch). So we shouldn't have to worry at the moment.
I didnt try out poyo and robin post buff yet so yall niggas gotta educate me on what happened
>>320475058
Do you usually go to locals? I see lots of Ryus. Few really use him properly though, he needs finesse.
>>320474825
Fucking this. I'm sick of seeing the grab animation where it has two lines on the character but it still doesn't grab.
>Ike
Pretty good even though he didn't get any buffs. Came a long way since release, that's for sure.
>Cloud
Up and coming but I'm liking him despite his shitty recovery. Luckily he has some decent tools to pressure edge campers. Wish dtilt was safer.
>>320471760
Basically this. I also feel like Ike has a more reliable combo game and a better throw game.
>>320475042
RIP doubles
>>320475153
Can say I never have aside from a tournament at a con once a year. I'm sure I'm not the greatest either but I'm pretty good with Ryu if I do say so myself.
>>320474684
Yes, but I wish they were a little more than fine at this point.
>>320474757
Well... yeah, yes. Have they done a buff like this yet? Like, just make the sword longer? Especially with Cloud now, they need it.
>>320474836
Maybe I'm just playing wrong, but while I'm not so great with combos, I'm good with catching. Even if Marth combos better, Lucina juggles and goes air-to-air just as well. I do really well on foes that think they're hot shit in the air, and forget how good Nair still is.Honestly I'm a bit of a waifufaggot, I think she's very cool and cute. But I really do find the tipper-fishing tedious, and I haven't grown an attachment with Marth like many others since I never played him much in past games.
In any case, I still got Pikachu, main since 64. I just don't do quite as well with him yet, though.
>>320475336
Asking for a better Dtilt is oretty greedy. It's already shaping up to be one of the best tilts in the game
>>320475440
>Have they done a buff like this yet? Like, just make the sword longer?
Lots of characters have gotten hitbox extensions.
But I doubt Marcina will get one, and if they do it won't be much.
>>320470729
>Bowser
Quickly becoming one of my least favorite character to fight against, even though he's a ton of fun. The changes to his U-Throw have turned was was a respectable character into a rapacious hoo-hah machine. I've ran into more than one Bowser since the update using nothing but whirling fortress, U-Throw, and any move that requires holding up on the analog stick.
Bowser is the gayest defensive character in the entire game, except perhaps the transvestite with no endlag. Depending on your approach options, he feels untouchable sometimes - between fortress, Fair, Utilt, side-B, jab, and his grab.I main Donkey and his hoo-hah is equally gay.
>>320475380
Now I know what it feels to have someone
use a reaction face that one has made ones self
>>320470729
>>320474425
Been maining Mr Nine and Buckets for a while, have been trying to pick up Pac-Man seeing as I feel both characters are fun to play as.Side Mains Jigglypuff and ROB
>>320475380
Locals are pretty fun, but your mileage may vary.
For the longest time I thought that they might be pools of autism like the internet makes them out to be but I lucked out. Meet a bunch of +20-28 guys. We have even cooked and brought beer and shit to our weekly. We do tons of other shit too. We even made a road trip together.
You should try checking your local weeklies, you might meet cool people to play with. Or you might have bad luck.
My very first weekly was full of the worst people ever. People that threw their controllers on the ground after losing. That would holler like monkeys and hit themselves.
All that said. Con tourneys are literally the bottom of the barrel tier. So you can only go up from there.
I was really liking Meta Knight when I was learning him but optimal Meta Knight is boring af. Now I'm lost without a main, might go back to Mewtwo now that he got some buffs.
>>320475614
Optimal Metaknight has an amazing combo game, but everything leads into UpB.
Watch this video, it might inspire you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOnSWM4flI
>>320475470
Really? I thought it felt a bit laggy at the end. Like not huge but just enough to make following it up difficult. Guess I just need to git gud.
>>320470729
I just defeated some of the best players in my region with Sheik, so I'm feeling pretty good about it. Just have to learn to play lame.
The Hero of Time
>literally all the buffs
Lube has been handed out to prepare everyone's anuses.
>>320473512
The nair is hit/miss for me. If you do connect the first strike, the second will almost always hit and do nice damage, but in the times where you only get the first hit off before landing, it doesn't really flinch them and your opponent will always be able to punish you.
What does the d-smash buff do? I haven't really noticed anything.
>>320471760
Man you sound like such a nerd.
...it's just a kids' game.
>>320475760
>Just have to learn to play lame
Reason I'll never actually learn to play this shitty children's party game. The meta is so defensive and out-of-touch with what makes Smash fun at its core. Watching competitive Smash is fun, but playing it feels somewhere between falling asleep and sweating buckets.i bet you played mario at some point you blumpkin
>>320473829
>finishing touch kills heavies at ~60%
He seems to have pretty low endlag on his moves too. Shame about his crappy horizon. recovery.
>>320475852
It doesn't pull characters in when they're shielding anymore so it knocks them away properly, making it safer on shield.
>>320470729
I already own a 3DS and I've been thinking of getting a Wii-U as my first Nintendo console
But first I wanna know something
Do both versions of Smash 4 get the DLC, or is it Wii-U exclusive?
>>320475881
It's a Competitive Action Game.
Straight from Sakurai and Nintendo's mouth.
I didn't say it, they did.
>>320475973
finishing touch feels pretty fucking op when you have a huge hitbox, and you can't knock him out of it like you can with mac's ko meter
kind of hoping for a balance, it's ridiculous when at high percents you have to watch out for literally everything he does at any angle or distance because it's a potential KO
>>320476113
Both 3DS and Wii U have all DLC available to them.
>>320476113
Both versions can get the dlc, but you'll have to buy a bundle to get it on both. Costs slightly more than buying it for one version.
Kinda dumb, honestly.
>>320476146
Can it be countered?
>>320476146
The move is rather slow though, it's pretty hard to hit with without a setup.
>>320476180
>>320476195
Thanks guys
>>320475589
There's always a few autists at locals.
>Everyone at my locals is cool except for one guy
>Does nothing but shit talk Smash 4 the entire time and gloats about project dead.
>Still plays Smash 4, but spams ike and little mac smashs
>>320475924
You know he said competitive action game
>>320475924
Not with Sheik. She is super active, constant inputs till your fingers wear out. She's got a lot of cool movement options to bait and punish, so it never really feels repetitive. Plus, it's fun getting inside your opponents head and fucking them up.
Playing characters besides Sheik is pretty boring though, they get old fast. I like the fact that I have a million options at any given time, way more options than Melee Sheik even has.
>>320476146
The move comes out in like frame 16 though. You either need a setup or a hard read. Plus it's super unsafe on shields.
Tfw I will never find a main who I immediately click with and I'm good with.
>>320476396
Sheik is terribly annoying to fight though. It feels like I'm playing Melee, except my character is stuck in mud.
>>320475589
At my locals there's a really annoying meta-knight player who constantly says "SENPAI, SENPAI! FAMMM???" and gloats about his meta-knight despite being knocked out consistently by a regular Palutena main. Aside from that everyone at my locals are pretty cool and chill bruhs.
>>320471351
Ike has better combos and grab follow-ups
is there a link to the patch note? i can't find it anywhere
>>320476493
I'm pretty sure that's not a thing that happens.
Pick a character that you like the general playstyle of, and see how you go.
>>320476396
You missed part of the point. I know Shiek requires a lot of input from the player, but
>bait
>punish
Is the core of Sm4sh. That's what's boring about it, and it will never change unfortunately.
>>320476557
http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-3-patch-notes.425921/
>>320476493
That's why I can't get into Melee.
Every other game including PM I can find a character that clicks with me.
14 years and I still haven't found a main in Melee.
My Marths pretty good mang
>>320476574
>bait
>punish
>Is the core of Smash.
ftfy. You're delusional if you think it's different in any other game. Especially 64.
>>320476563
Do I just go through each character and play them against bots until I find some one enjoyable? I've just been picking people who look cool to try out.
>>320471760
>All of Ike Smash attacks are better than Cloud
Stop lying, you ga. Only U-smash is good.
>>320471760
>All of Ike Smash attacks are better than Cloud
>Ike's DDD tier slow Fsmash
>>320476574
Not really. See the difference with Sheik is that she has many +oS moves. In any fighting game if you have + moves on block is where you can be offensive.
>>320476750
That's kinda what I did. WFT and Samus suck ass but I main them because I love their move-sets and find them very enjoyable
>>320476750
Picking characters you like the look of is a good place to start, but check out some YouTube videos of characters to see if any stand out to you.
>>320476508
>Sheik is terribly annoying to fight though
That's the best part. As sheik you get so many rage quits per session, you kinda get a high off of it. I guess it's the inner troll coming out.
>>320476797
Ha. Throw out random fsmash with Ike and you'll get a kill
>>320471760
>his uTilt and Ftilt are better, faster
>faster
You have no idea, huh?
>>320476842
Samus is badass. I love her ranged playstyle, but can still hit pretty hard up close. Same goes for Robin. I hate the fact both of them are kinda shit though.
>>320476903
in For Fun with 10 year olds facerolling their controllers maybe
>>320476757
>>320476797
F-smash is worse, but D-smash hits harder and comes out faster. Too much endlag on it though.
>>320476932
Cloud's Utilt is faster, Ike's a kill move. I fucked up on there.
>>320476885
If this is what is currently considered trolling is then shits really devolved
>>320476608
thanks anon
>>320476951
>being this smug
Trying to act like you haven't gotten killed by his fsmash once Kek
>>320476948
I love getting tether hits and charge shots with missile follow ups. I super wish they just fixed her frames and hitboxes
>>320476885
Man I don't even mind sheik's crazy combo game.
But fuck Needles. Makes her impossible to approach.
>>320477045
Years ago in Brawl when I was 15 maybe.
>>320477052
Do you play at locals? How do you do with samus?
>>320476636
Sakurai loves Marth and Lucy, they seem to get buffed pretty frequently. Too bad their aerials still have stupid lag.
Also let me fucking cancel lazers or buff the dairs sweetspot
>>320477016
Ike's D-smash is super-laggy, I rarely use it. It's much safer to just do an f-tilt, which kills at about the same percents as the first hit.
>>320477152
How do your farts smell?
>playing brawl
>acting like you won't get killed by Ile once
>>320477152
You're probably 17 now
>>320477316
It has like 920 frames of start up. Your opponent has to knock your controller out of your hand for you to get hit by it.
Don't be mad because you were bad enough to get hit by a slow ass move.
>>320477167
I do play at my locals. I do pretty well despite playing against really annoying characters like shiek, falcon, villager and other annoying characters that can dominate Samus with their overall aggro play style. The furthest I got was losers finals using Roy and Samus.
>>320477372
shh don't reveal my secret
>>320477459
Nice, perhaps I should pick her up along side Ryu.
>>320477026
That's not trolling. This is trolling. Or, at least it's what makes people hate her.
>>320477410
Kek. Implying you can't get killed by this move in smash,
>>320477646
That's just a fairplane. You suck it up and keep playing. What a faggot Ike.
>>320477410
I'll literally only use his fsmash and still beat you
>>320477045
I don't get why you think F smash is the random "throw that shit out for free kills move" with Ike.
It's far easier to make a dumb mistake and eat a random up smash from Ike than a f smash.
>>320477167
Not him, but I do.
You learn how to space and how to recodnize what works when, and where. Neutral A, Dash attack, U-smash, F-smash, F-air and U-air can all wiff, so you need to be sure that when you throw them out they are going to land. She has good combo game and off stage potential, while she is one of the best at picking apart players who don't want to approach. Getting good with charge shot is a must, since on top of all the smash wiffing, Dsmash and D-tilt no longer kill before 200%. She also lost her old N-air, which was one of the best in the game. The new one is good for offstage guarding though, and can snag kills earlier. Oh, and grabs don't kill before 200% either for any throw, on any character, in any location.
She's a good pick against heavies, but I mostly use her against players who have no idea how to fight her. Even then though, she hardly gets used for an entire set. She is still fundamentally broken in so many ways it's hard to believe they could have fucked up a character so bad.
>>320477761
>>320477692
>>320477646
man this is bullshit
Seeing all the talk of locals in this thread makes me wonder: How do I get locals started up in my local town?Sm4sh AND other fighting games, of course.
>>320477761
>>320477692
I'm literally more likely to hit someone with a fully charged Fsmash from Megaman than get hit by Ike's uncharged Fsmash.
>>320477795
His fsmash is a random throw it out and I'll get a kill move
>not maining the best character in the game
>>320477905
Than take me up on that offer
>>320477909
Stop playing For Fun.
That only works with something like Mario's UpSmash and even then that rarely works.
>>320477960
Ok add me up.
NNID: Wozzles
>>320477909
>His fsmash is a random throw it out and I'll get a kill move
Not really, it's pretty shitty and it's more common to see up smash spam than f smash because up smash covers some much area making it more likely for someone to do something stupid and get hit by it.
>>320477962
>still trying to act this smug
You can pretend like you're too good to get killed I'd like it to see it myself
>>320477960
1 v 1 me faggot.
No items.
Ike or cloud only.
Final destination
>>320478003
>Parallel shitposting
good job, wozz
>>320478003
For sure. I'll play you when the servers aren't shitting the bed
>>320477869
Ike should have been pressing A as soon as that started, but ya that's some major bullocks
>>320478039
I'm not saying it's his best move or what's more likely. He literally can just throw out his Fsmash and get a kill. It happens
Timing change to inhale.....uhhh thanks?
>>320477646
>Ike doesn't even SideB to recover or Nair to stop that shit
>>320478382
he just gave up
I've heard his hitboxes are better, but are they actually fixed?
Is all this shit gone now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2_AIdsqYQw ?
Also fucking jesus sakurai make him heavier holy shit, his gimmick should be being super heavy but also having floaty jumps at the same time.
>>320473593
>>320473149
>>320473015
None of these examples are even close to being what a gimmick is. By definition a gimmick is something to attract attention, something to set something apart from other things. Shulk's Monado Arts are his gimmick because no one else has anything like that.
Sorry for going full autismo there, but it was starting to get to me.
>>320478280
Would you say you can throw out random falcon punches and expect them to hit?
>>320478382
You can't nair out of a fairplane unless you have a frame 3 nair and you are frame perfect (Ike does not have a frame 3 nair, only mario / luigi /yoshi / sheik).
He gave up the match after he realized he's just gonna get juggled around.
>>320478101
>omega final destination
Faggot
>>320478485
No I would not. You trying to say they're the same thing?
>>320478617
They're both stupidly slow and powerful, so yes.
Ok, what about Bowser's Fsmash? Would you say that's a "throw out randomly and get a kill" move?
>>320478796
So you think no charge Ike fsmash is as slow as a falcon punch.
>K
Yeah bowser will get a kill just throwing it out
>Mewtwo gets buffs
>Still shit
Mewtwo wouldn't be so bad, if it had reliable kill moves, and a safe approach in the air.
You think, making someone floaty would have good air moves, that don't take a min to come out.
Mewtwo can't land safely back on stage if its facing a fast fighter like Shiek or Mario, who can throw out punches out in a flash.
Teleport can be fun for mind games, but you can still be hit, even if Mewtwo body is completely gone.
>>320478909
You're silly anon.
Next you'll tell me Lucas can spam up smashes and randomly get kills.
shulk still with zero throw followups and zero reliable kill moves
>>320470729
T-they gave me buffs?...
>>320479017
You think a falcon punch is as slow as Ike's fsmash.
>>320478420
I thought he ran out of jumps? It doesn't look like he ever lands back on stage.
>>320478796
>Bowser's Fsmash?
Most satisfying move in the game
>>320479121
I never said that. I just said it was also really slow.
>>320479232
>not megaman's up tilt
>>320479232
I don't even use him but dorf stomp is pretty fucking satisfying when it lands
>>320478435
>fight a heavy
>same advantages and disadvantages except you'll die 50% earlier
>fight a lightweight
>huge hitbox letting them juggle you everywhere and you both die just as easily
even making him a fucking middleweight would solve so many problems
>>320479232
I dunno, hitting an upsmash as Lucas is boner-inducing
He got a huge mobility buff though, he's as fast as MK now.
>>320478435
>but are they actually fixed?
I just tested those out, a few mins ago, I'll tell you right now what they fix.
>Side Smash
Still can't hit any thing too close to Mewtwo's body
>Back Air
The tip of the tail still doesn't have a hit box
>>320479640
Mewtwo's bair is the most pathetic looking move in the series.
He just lightly wiggles it. It makes me so mad.
>>320479640
>>320479762
back air has no hitbox for like the entire lower quadrant of the swing, it's fucking stupid
does hit above him a bit though so that's cool i guess
also his up air can kill now at higher percents as opposed to before when it never did shit
>>320478308
Mained this character since the game came out.
I'm done now.
