Why did it stop being fun after this point?
>>320303502
Because you got good
>>320303502
I know what you mean. Especially lost izalith was kinda shit.
It didn't.
Because the quality of boss fights go to shit.
>>320303502
because somewhere around that point you realize that everything this game's combat is is just roll-hitroll-hit-roll-hit every time
Because warping.
And then they decided you should be able to do that right away from then on, the stupid cunts.
>>320304379
Lost Izalith was so shit, SO SHIT, they apologized for it's and Demon Ruins existence.
YES.
>>320303502
Honestly it wasn't that fun to begin with, enemies just aren't aggressive enough outside of boss fights, it makes fighting them too safe and predictable and boring.
>>320303502
Something to do with the game being rushed I'm guessing.
The first half of the game feels so much more polished than the second.
I mean, there's a giant hole in Lost Izalith's skybox for instance, right outside Bed of Chaos's fog door. It's super noticeable.
>>320303502
All the Souls games are rushed to hell.
This is the part where the game ran out of time to fully flesh out and polish the areas. The areas that are rushed:
>Lost Izaleth
>Crystal Cave
>Tomb of the Giants
>Demon Ruins
>Firelink Altar
>>320303502
Because then you realize every single boss is the same
>slash attack
>gap closer/escape
>some aoe attack, either stops for a moment and then releases an aoe force or jump into the air and then jumps down to the ground
>>320303502
Do you mean why did gaming as a hobby become less fun after you played Dark Souls?
Well OP, it's probably a combination of getting older, thus being more busy, and higher standards. Such an amazing game will put a damper on your experiences with less well designed games.
You seen the sort of attention and detail games can have so you're likely less satisfied when you notice other games that are clearly flawed in those areas.
There's just no comparing the earlier areas like Anor Londo, the Undead Parish and Undead Burg to the later areas.
There's an incredibly apparent quality difference.
I liked TotG, Demon Ruins, and Dukes. The big lava field portion of Izalith wasn't that great, the but the little city area was good imo.
>>320303502
areas were rushed to shit
>>320305361
>the but the little city area was good imo.
Looked great. But nothing good in it. Should have been a demon madhouse, not just statues and blenders.
>>320305361
>TotG,
So god damn short. You can walk, not engage any of the skeleton beasts and get to the end really quick. Not a bad area, just short.
>Demon Ruins,
> Izalith
Re-used two bosses as enemies. Only has a few new enemies. Mostly fight statues. Re-use Asylum demon for the 3rd time.
>Dukes
Probably the last area they fleshed out. Compare Duke to Crystal cave.
>>320303502
He doesn't know.
Because Anal Rodeo looks and feels like an end game area and not a barely middle of the road area.
Anal Rodeo should have been either longer, or further a long in the game.
I don't care what the "lore" says, Anal Rodeo should have been end game territory.
>you reach Gwynevere
>she gives you the warp thingy
>you warp to where the Gods fucked off to to fuck the real Gwynevere and have immortal sex orgies with other Gods
Would have been a better ending, after all past that point the quality fell massively.
>>320304379
>kinda
No let's just go ahead and say the worst area of the game was shit full stop. Don't sugarcoat it.
Lost Izalith is fucking awful on top of being boring.
>>320303502
it seems like the point they stopped developing the game out of passion and just wanted to get it finished
Duke's Archives was pretty neat but it was obviously rushed. and the rest of the areas ranged from mediocre to shit
Demon's Souls had the same problem but it was only the last few areas of the game instead of the entire second half. being able to play most of the game out of order helped with that I think.
>>320306232
Yeah but if you did that her husband FLAME GOD FLANN would have to fuck you in the ass.
>>320303502
Because by that point you probably have equipment that's good for the rest of the game and don't need to explore cause what's the point, you just kill enemies and lame bosses
>>320306585
Stand perfectly still and straight and have her tell him you're just a dildo shaped like a human?
Because the big areas with pathways that loop into both themselves and other areas took a back seat for more linear levels that just lead to the boss.
>>320303502
They blew their mad midgame, the quality of other bosses takes a nosedive. They are all retarded like bed of chaos or baby eay like nito. They kinda gave up on adjusting the difficulty curve.
>>320303502
Archive was pretty good
Tomb of the giants was a nice change in pace due to it's darkness (if you did not find a propper ligt source)
Lost Izalith was shit and short but had some awesome art design
4 kings was basically just the bossfght I think - but this also was a nice design choice due to the complete darkness in the abyss.
>>320303502
Can someone post the gif with her tits jiggling from the alpha?
>>320304379
>>320304716
>>320306404
still better than shrine of amana
>>320307579
>still better than all of Dark Souls 2
ftfy
>>320307367
Lost Izalith could've been a good area seeing as how it was basically hell with trees everywhere. But did the contrast have to be so bright? And did we have to do the fire walking thing? And did the dragon butts have to be crammed into the same spot?
>>320306585
But she was married to the Dragon Duke seath or whatever his name was and Priscilla was their kid.
>>320307284
this, the beginning are felt like a huge world with many paths and shortcuts that are connected to all different areas, second half of the game you just follow the main path till you get to the boss at the end
>>320307330
Actually all sign point to being rushed. There is an unfinished Bed of Chaos boss that would be a real fight and not the one we got.
There was also a scrapped boss in New Londo Ruins.
>>320307626
drangleic castle was pretty cool desu senpai
>>320307682
No, Gwynevere left the city over a century ago when it turned to shit. She's married to some flame Lord.
The only Lord still living there is Gwyndolin.
The origin of Priscilla is never explained. Painted World and Priscilla is the first areas and characters made, but they didn't fit into the world properly and were repurposed.
>>320303502
>get to this room
>still shaking from finally beating biggie and smalls
>that holy music
>those fucking tits
>that soothing voice of her
there was just no chance for anything to top that feel and moment anymore in the game
>>320307682
No her ring specifically mentioned that she ran off with her husband Flann. We don't know the circumstances of Priscilla's birth. Only that she's cross bred between a dragon and...something that allows her to threaten even the gods of Anor Londo. Maybe it was Gwynevere. Maybe it was Velka. Maybe it was some unnamed goddess. Or maybe it was none of the above. The game doesn't give us enough to work with. Hell we barely know anything about Velka herself only that she was influential and had something to do with the Dark and sin
>>320303806
the only correct answer
dark souls was fun when you were a casul with drake sword getting rekt by naked guys in undead burg
>>320308324
>>320307983
Mind blown, I was living a lie this whole time
>>320303502
Because the boss difficulty peaks at ornstein and smough and then drastically drops down
>>320308549
don't worry, it's not your fault that you were born a retarded frogposter
Because you realized nothing was going to top O&S
>>320308549
Oh, you didn't know? There's stuff that's easy to miss. I admit I would have never figured it out on my own.
Gwyndolin has created an illusion so that Anor Londo looks better than it is, and uses a Gwynevere illusion to rule the city while he hides out.
The city is actually in the dark and most of the enemies are not real. Only the Silver Knights are real.
>>320307983
>>320308324
And apparently Priscilla was originally supposed to have been the heroine of Dark Souls, so her origin and character are not at all insignificant.
>>320308924
She has the same voice actor as Maiden in Black, and a similar design, so it's likely she was supposed to play the same role. Then that was abandoned. Near the end of the game they stuck Painted World in very awkwardly.
>>320308046
Holy shit i was just about to post something like this. It felt so damn reward to go into that room and just stare at em while kneeling down and recieving praise.
>>320303502
Shamefully until this week I had never beaten Dark Souls. I fucked up my build the first time and got frustrated in Anor Londo. I don't think I even got to S&O. This week I started again, didn't act retarded and steamrolled through the game. Only boss that caused me any trouble was S&O who took about 10 tries, everyone else was under 3.
Everything after S&O was ridiculously easy too. I had much more trouble on the trash than the actual bosses. Especially Seathe, those clams fucked my shit in but he was a piece of cake.
I heard 4 kings was supposed to be difficult but I didn't take damage or even struggle on that one. I stumbled around in the dark and pressed R2 on some demons. Did that fight glitch?
>>320308916
Also all the gods of Anor Londo left. Like literally all of them sans Gwyndolin. Which is messed up because Gwyn gave them all shards of his soul and gave standing orders on moving the humans to the asylums. And as soon as he disappears all the gods just abandoned ship. Including Gwynevere.
>>320309326
>Which is messed up because Gwyn gave them all shards of his soul and gave standing orders on moving the humans to the asylums.
Source?
>>320309279
The main game has nothing to threaten you with once you beat OnS. There's the DLC with 3 bosses you can try. Have fun with Kalameet and Manus
>>320308443
Underrated post
Dark Souls became boring after you got gud, by the time you beat O&S not only does the level design falter but you have already mastered the game well enough to not get your shit wrecked ever again.
>>320309592
That's what I'm doing now. Steamrolled my way past Sanctuary Guardian and then turned it off.
I want gwynevere to sit on my face
>>320309739
Anon she's like 10m tall
>>320309526
>gave them shards of his soul
Soul of Gwyn says he bequeathed most of his power to the gods before burning as Cinder
>orders concerning humans
Kaathe dialogue stating he had the humans shepherded out of fear of a future Dark Lord. Whether he created the prophecy is up for debate.
>>320309702
Kalameet is fuckingf u n
>>320309897
Her illusion is. Realistically she's probably the same size as Gwyndolin and Gwyn. They're about 3m tall.
>>320310075
Eh up for debate. Size is inconsistent in this game and has more to do with power than anything else. If you look at Gwyn's tomb it's gigantic.
>>320309897
Yes, and?
>>320310075
Still good.
>>320310260
but gwyn is small
>>320308324
I always assumed it was Velka.
I mean it's where you find Velka robes/rapier, the place is filled with those crow human things and you find the dark ember and velka miracle too.
>>320310329
Only when you fight him when his soul is almost gone.
>>320310514
Vendrick is in the same situation and he's huge
>>320303502
Like half the budget or some shit went in to her heaving tits. Nice view but the second half was rushed.
>>320310679
yeah well dark souls 2 is a huge pile of shit
>>320310260
If she was that large how would she navigate her own palace? The doorways are about 3m tall. She would be confined to that sofa thing and that's it.
>>320309897
>>320310308
Alright lets just stop pussyfooting about and jump headfirst into the magical realm.
>tfw Gwynevere will never shove you up her ass>tfw Gwynever will never shove you into one of her titsYes I have weird fetishes-.
There is criminally little R34 of her.
>>320308046
It sure did feel like a proper reward. I want her in DS3 or something similar.
Dook's is good. Call the cops, I don't give a fuck.
>tfw beat manus on ng+6 with fastroll literally 10 minutes ago
i'm still shaking
>>320310942
>tfw in DaS3 she's referred to as Juniper
>>320303502
I had fun at Duke's and the Tomb.
Demon Ruins/Izalith was kinda shit, but at least it was cool to fight past bosses as enemies.
>>320303502
Because your opinions have been unconsciously altered by MEMES. The level design was a little worse, the gameplay was still top notch save for 1 or 2 duds for bosses.
Becauseamazing chest ahead.
>>320311152
What I personally didn't like about Izalith was how Bed of Chaos could be cheesed by dying. It felt liked we were cheated out of a boss fight.
>>320311137
wtf is is a juniper
>>320303502
Smough and Ornstein are arguably the most difficult bosses, or at any rate, you're not going to hit anything harder after that, so you've pretty much gotten past anything the game can throw at you challenge-wise. And yeah, the design choices weren't as well done in the second half of the game.
>>320307330
I liked Bed of Chaos. It's not even really a bossfight, just kind of a weird minigame.
>>320309693
To triple the disappointment, at that point you start getting wild high-stat fantasy weapons and armor that can be a crutch for whatever bad habits you have left. You can just plow through the enemy corridors the rest of the game without a single care.Dark Souls is one of the few games I've dropped just because of how big the quality dip is; that hurts more than a consistently mediocre-to-okay game. Talk to Queen Titties, do some painting, then go to Artorias land and you've seen all the game really has to offer.
>People posting dumb shit about it being the player's fault
Second half of the game got rushed, it's as simple as that. There's a fuckton unfinished shit in DS1.
>>320311376
One of Chester's dialogues is "for Juniper's sake put some spring in your step!" Apparently Juniper is a permutation of Guinevere or in this case Gwynevere. Leading to the idea that maybe she's still alive in Chester's time under a new name.
>>320308443
>drake sword
What's it like being a wikihugging faggot, anon?
Because it does feel like the end of a journey when you get to that room.
It really doesn't get better than going through the city of the Giants, it does feel like the last level. Anything after that is simply inferior.
>>320309693
I have 300 hours on the game and I am currently getting my shit wrecked by NG+ Gwyn. I just can't into parrying well enough and I die in like 2 hits. I could help myself with Havels but I've been using Embraced the entire game and I'm not about to stop because of some faggot boss. I really hate the lead up to him though.
>>320311694
I wanna see where Chester's from.
>>320311694
Well damn, I have no idea who Chester is, seems I missed out on details!
DaS III when?
>>320311863
>Gwyn
Such a shame because without parry he's one of the more dangerous and aggressive bosses in the game. It was supposed to be a testament that even as gimped as he is he's still a threat. With parry he's a joke.
>>320311925
Carim.
>>320312064
>Well damn, I have no idea who Chester is, seems I missed out on details!
DLC npc.
>>320311863
tb-h, if you're not parrying or stacking fire resistance gwyn is one of the hardest bosses in the game. He hits hard, often in long combos and is relentless
>>320312181
All these different countries man
>Astora, a country of Gwyn worshipping paladins
>Thoroland, a giant church ran by Gwyn's uncle
>Catarina, party city with lots of different cultures
>Vinhiem, Hogwarts with spies
>Carim, an entire country of backstabbing assholes who get off on being backstabbing assholes. Doesn't seem to care all that much about Gwyn and prefer Velka
>Great Swamp, country of fire hobos
>>320312064
march for japan, april world wide
>>320312956
Forgot a few
>Berenike and Balder, human run knight cities that fell to the curse
>>320313006
>DaS3 will be my first Souls I go into totally blind
I was mostly blind for DaS1 and I kind of ruined Bloodborne for myself. This is the first time I'll have a Souls game on release
>>320313331
lol good luck staying out of /v/ and /vg/ from march to april
>>320313331
me too famalam
>>320313459
meh won't be too much of a problem tBh since I rarely come here anyway anymore
>>320313459
I'll put in my best effort. At least enough to not know the final boss
>>320313006
Aw maaaaan. And my old scrawny PS3 wont have it either, PC it is ._. Fuuck
>yfw Gwynevere had the most heroic theme in the entire game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh53Jn7L4iE
Got me pretty hyped to go off and save the world
>>320307850
And Majula looked quite nice.
>>320308046
That's probably because of the music >>320313847
It made her actually feel like a God instead of a static npc.
because all the areas after are shit OP
>>320303806
Not really. The game peaks at Fatboy & Slim, everything after them just feels boring in comparison.
Going through DS for the first time is such a joy, and now i decided to make a new character instead of New game+. It's nice how much content there is in this game, so i honestly didn't mind the 4 lords soul searching.
I do wonder what the areas could have looked liked if the game had more dev time.
>tfw Chester was from the future and we never saw him in Dark Souls 2 or even alluded to
I know how references can get annoying but I really want a Chester in dark souls 3 and for him to say "you remind me of someone I met once, a long time ago in Oolacile" or something
>>320314168
Is that the BKS? I don't think the Dark Sword looked like that.
>>320314310
>>320314310
>I do wonder what the areas could have looked liked if the game had more dev time.
Ash Lake and Great Hollow would have been fully flehsed out. Right now they're half done and thrown in as bonus areas and because they have some lore significance.
>do DLC before fighting Sif
>he recognizes you
>that limping when close to death
I wasn't prepared for these feels.
>>320314413
Chester is dead. You find his corpse in the forest. It's the corpse with the Wolf Ring.
It didn't for me, The only real shit part was Lost Izalith
>>320314629
Interesting, but what makes you say that? Been a long while since I've cared about DaS lore.
>>320314413
Maybe not Chester himself but just a future denizen of Carim. Give him a line on how time I'd convoluted with heroes passing in and every once in a while you get dragged back. Have him reference Juniper in a half mocking way too.
Which you never think of someone as holy as Gwynevere hanging out with the Carim assholes
>>320314814
>Interesting, but what makes you say that? Been a long while since I've cared about DaS lore.
When you have the Wolf Ring and talk to Astoria's girlfriend, she says that Chester stole it. Working backwards, you can infer that the corpse you got it from is the present is Chester's corpse.
The areas after Anal Land felt really rushed.
Reminder that Gwyndolin is best
>>320314629
Theories aren't fact, my friend.
>>320315000
Unused dialogue doesn't mean much.
>>320314413
>Chester was from the future
I don't get where this idea came from. Nothing says he's from the future relative to the player. Yes, he's wearing a top hat and belts rather than ye olde clothes but the clothing in Dark Souls isn't incredibly consistent anyway. I mean, it looks fucking fabulous and its far better medieval stuff than what most nips are capable of, but its not consistent enough for Chester's top hat to be evidence enough of even more time travel.
>>320303502
You exaggerate. I mean Bed of Chaos was bullshit and I hate New Londo, but you still had fun after this.
If only because you had to get to the Duke's for the DLC.You did beat the DLC, right?
>>320315276
>Unused dialogue doesn't mean much.
It matches the game, and explains why the hell Astoria's ring is found on some random corpse in a forest.
>Demon Souls
>Complete game but From hasn't perfected the Souls formula yet
>Dark Souls
>From knows what they're doing but the second half is clearly rushed
>Dark Souls II
>First director doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, game consists of everything good from the first incarnation but put together haphazardly
>Bloodborne
>From knows what they're doing, aren't rushed and put out an absolute banger
>Dark Souls III
>???
I'm so nervous /v/. It really hasn't been that long since we learnt about it and only 3 more months until Jap release. I'm praying they've been working on it under wraps for a real long time and that it's not at all rushed when we get it.
How would you rate the 2nd half of Dark Souls 1? That being the 4 locations you travel to get the lord souls.
Tomb of the Giants > Post flood gate New Londo > Duke Archive >>>>>> Literal shit >>>>>>> Lost Izalith
>TFW you got cock blocked by all of the golden gates before even going to Anal Rodeo
>TFW you had to fight your way back up through pure hell because no warping
>TFW when closed worlds like in Demon's Souls were vastly superior
>>320303502
It was fun before this point?
>>320315980
>>Demon Souls
>>Complete game
that's completely wrong.
There's an entire Archstone that is broken. And world 1 is the only one that is a full world. The rest are really short compared to it. All worlds were meant to be 5 full levels.
>>320314557
When he realized he couldn't beat me, I would have let him quit anytime.
>>320315342
his style of clothing is much more modern than anything else in the game
>>320315962
It'd be like using the cut dialogue to say that Oscar was your best buddy and rival even though that never made it into the game.
>>320316021
Never thought Izalith was that bad, just very small. Bed of Chaos is a giant fucking turd though.
>>320314413
I like the headcanon that bloodborne was supposed to be ds3 and he's from that game.
Reasons
>British accent
>Fancy crossbow pistols
>Top hat
>Jumpy as fuck
>>320316369
Bloodborne was in development at the time of Artorias DLC so at the very least it's a nod at Yharnam.
What aspect of the lore are you hoping 3 would show?
I hope we get Velka and Flann
>>320316221
If that's true, then it's not nearly as obvious because the game is still really good the whole way through. I replayed through it recently and it seemed pretty complete to me and on top of that, it was the first Souls game and is pretty old. My only complaint is the FPS, which seemed a lot more apparent.
>>320303502
Ok what the fuck.
The replies on this thread are the exact same as the ones on this other forum:
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/320303502/video-games/why-did-it-stop-being-fun-after-this-point.html
Is that website just copypasting 4chan replies so people think it has actual traffic?
>>320316260
Izalith and Demon Ruins is such a slog to get through
>Rehashes Asylum Demon a 2nd time
>Centipede Demon is a boring fight
>Running across lava with that annoying as fuck sound
>Lava puts massive strain on eyes
>Dragon legs
>Bed of Chaos
>Only bonfires closest to BoC is either one neaf dragon legs or the shortcut from Daughter of Chaos, both being extremely far away.
>>320316692
>All of DS2 is retconned.
This would be a good start
>>320310942
I really hope DS3 answers a lot of questions about what happened to the gods and other things from DS1. Theories are fun, but there comes a time when I need to know the truth.
>there'll never be another titty giantess in souls games
This fact depresses me.
>>320307579
Shrine Of Anama was THE most atmospheric place in DS2. Only topped by the gulch
>>320316827
Yeah, that's some weird copy paste website. I have no idea what the actual purpose of it is. I've come across it when looking up old threads.
>>320316692
Is the First Flame eternal or not?
Why are the Hollows doing the Manus?
Why are the dragons coming back?
Is the Abyss and the Age of Dark actually unstoppable? Alternatively what does the Age of Dark look like?
AYO BITCHES WE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DES NOW. Playing through des after darksouls is very interesting because you get to see like "beta" almost versions of enemies and bosses like the manbeasts and how they turned into the bell gargoyles
>>320315962
>>320316251
I feel like there can be a middle ground. Oscar can't be your friend and rival because they removed anything that would make that possible. Ciaran's dialogue might have gotten cut, but it still makes sense because the body and ring are still kept in the game.
Because it was cut, I do have to wonder... Does that mean Ciaran perhaps just chooses not to tell you? Or is it maybe that it really isn't true? I'd say you could claim both are just as likely.
>>320317214
I only played it after 1 and 2 and I actually didn't like it after the first level
Hate me guys, needs more weapons per playthrough and less upgrade types. Also fuck the bosses in general
Tomb of the Giants and Nito deserved a lot more love than they got. He was built up to be a scary deadly boss and then all you get is a dark slide maze and a incredibly easy fight.
>>320315980
>Dark Souls III
>everyone knows what they need to do, but no one wants to make the game
CHEST AHEAD
>>320317775
Seath was super easy too.
>a Dragon that could kill dragons
>Actual fight you can just bow his crystal pussy and win without taking much damage
Can I see everyone's weaponfu
Toss up between this and the Black Knight Sword
>>320317089
It exists to save whatever useful information is put on this place without being able to say they stole it
>>320317214
it's interesting how they reuse skeletons for animations in a non-annoying way.
From Dark Souls to Dark Souls 2 they clearly reused the Blighttown troll model and made it into those enemies with sickles in Dark Souls 2. Very few changes made as far as appearance.
In Bloodborne it looks like they reused the skeleton dogs from Tomb of the Giants and made them into the werewolf things.
The gatekeeper guys around the Cathedral Ward remind me of the giants from DS2 but I don't know why.
>>320316692
I don't think there's any need to go back and elaborate on Dark Souls 1 characters. Yeah, Velka is interesting, but her time is over, and Flann is so minor there's literally no point in touching that. I mean, I'd love continuations of themes, references to and answers to questions left unanswered by DaS1, but nothing as explicit as a Velka temple or something.
Honestly, I just want a happy ending. This poor world has suffered enough.
>>320316021
Tomb of the Giants > New Londo Ruins > Duke's Archives > Crystal Cave > Lost Izalith > Demon Ruins
Seeing as you can complete literally all of The Catacombs before getting the Lordvessel I don't know if it should count. If it does though it's top of the list, before The Catacombs.
>>320318074
I'd like to add that Cleric Beast, Manus, and Titanite Demons have very similar skeletons for animations.
>>320306404
>>320304379
I actually sort of like Lost Izalith
not because of how awful it is, but it really feels like a journey going all the way down into what feels like the very gates of hell
>>320317964
Seathe didn't kill dragons, he just told the gods how to kill them and stayed alive, technically his crystal was the only thing that made him powerful.
But you're right it was stupid, also why would you even fight someone in the same room as the one thing that keeps you immortal? Wall that shit off and never see it again
>>320318024
Silver Knight Straight Sword
Black Bow of Pharis
>>320318074
>>320318325
Also the generic soldier grunts have the same attacks in all three dark souls games. I mean the first level in Demons, the burg soldiers, and FOFG plaid shirt guys
>>320303502
Fatboy and slimjim were too cool
aka jumping the shark
>>320318581
Also every dog enemy
The death sound of the carrion crows in bloodborne is the same as the harpies in dark souls (and dark souls 2 I imagine, I never killed ornifex)
>>320318385
He did tho. He hid the crystal all the way deep in his crystal cave. Then you come along looking for it so he attacks you to protect it.
So what areas do you wanna see in Das3?
>>320317079
>dark souls 2
>atmosphere
pick none
>>320318890
I wanna see the stomach of a giantess
>>320318890
Yet another poison swamp area, those never get old
>>320318890
Something to let me do a proper guts build, that really feels like the whirlwind of death he is. An ultra great sword with a fast moveset, or an armor set that speeds them up, or something.Also, related, but much more minor, I wouldn't mind some proper gore effects, or something to make killing enemies feel less like smacking down ragdolls. Still a very minor thing though
>>320303502
I like the Dukes Archives a lot, and Nito is pretty fun, but Izalith sucks pretty hard.
>>320317964
True, but the library and crystal cavern were designed so greatly in comparison to the tomb that its almost unfair to Nito.
>>320319502
>An ultra great sword with a fast moveset
faggots like you are going to run the series to the ground
Am I the only one who liked Bed of Chaos? It was a fun change of pace from the other bosses.
>>320319708
What? Obviously it would be balanced with something like less damage and knockback than a regular UGS, but have the same reach, coupled with a good speed.
>>320320001
Just play bloodborne is you want super speed.
>>320318959
I thought Majula had nice atmosphere
>>320318890
Lots of verticality. Dark Souls world design was excellent (most of it, anyway). The whole thing was on the side of a mountain, so you're spending a lot of time scurrying on top of walls and cross bridges and narrow ledges. You get such a wonderful sense of vertigo when you look up from early game areas and see Anor Londo seemingly miles above you, but when you get to the area where you first meet Solaire you realise you're already far up above the rest of the world. Really felt like I was scaling Olympus.
DaS2 had some very pretty areas and obviously there were some good, vertigo inducing areas but the world felt a lot more flat.
Luckily from what we've seen of DaS3 (the high wall of Lorric or whatever its called) we're seeing a return to verticality.
I would love some real fleshed out city areas though. Stuff on the same level as the streets of Yharnam. You never really experience Anor Londo, Oolacile Township has collapsed into the Abyss, and you only see a single street in Undeadburg.
>>320303502
The archives were good
Tomb of the giants is okay depending on whether you get the sunlight maggot or a light spell. Going with the hand torch is suffering
Lost izalith is obviously garbage.
New Londo ruins is ok, just fuck 4kings
>>320318959
Dks2 is my favorite souls game so far, even if it took a few steps back from Dks1
Are there any weapons in the Souls series that let me drag the weapon on the ground as I swing them? There are bosses and enemies that do it, like Gascoine with the Hunter's Axe, but the actual Axe doesn't let me.
>>320314557
ouch...
>>320320312
Oh, and a nice forest area. Royal Woods and a lot of Darkroot Garden were pretty boring - just flat with trees scattered about. Some of the forestry areas in DaS2 were better but not by a great amount. I want something pretty with lots of ledges and gulleys, like the Forbidden Woods.
>>320319664
Duke archives was a finished level.
Crystal caves were not finished.
>>320304674
I can't imagine trying to finish the game without warping.
I think its fine you get it near the end of the game. Its just lame when you get it at the start.
But it makes getting all the stuff you missed and buffing your shit up so much simpler.
Besides DaS1 was the only game that didn't have teleportation the whole game. Demon's Souls had it due to its structure, Dark Souls 2 had it, and its level set up was similar to Demon's Souls (Start in a hub area then follow a path until you reach the end, it just multiple different areas instead of a single long dungeon for each path
Bloodborne was the closest to Dark Souls in level progression design, but it was still also generally linear, just with areas branching off to the side here and there.
>>320320605
You mean like Black Knight greatsword R2?
1:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgXfaf4x3Zc
>>320320605
The BKGS's power attack from DaS2 drags the blade across the ground, sparks and all I believe, before sending your enemy skyward with a heavy swing.
>>320318408
>SKSS
>>320318024
Ornstein's spear
>>320303502
Because at that point you realize you have overcome the most challenging part of the game.
>>320317648
Most of the bosses are far more creative and interesting than the games after.
>>320318408
>>320321051
>SKSS
Superb taste. I would gladly suck the dick of anyone who mained it.
>>320320312
I really loved seeing parts of the world from other parts, it really helped make it feel coherent and connected
>ToTG is in a giant cave
>you can see lost Izalith outside of the opening
I agree with you though, verticality is really nice and more games should make use of it
Y'all niggas can only hope for the Blueblood Sword.
>>320320312
this. DS1 felt like it was inspired by norse cosmology and Yggdrasil with its verticality. At the top you had Anor Londo, the city of the gods, accessed by a bridge guarded by a great watcher (Iron Golem). The Burgs were the human cities, half way up and far below you had the demonic realm of fire (Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith) and the land of the dead (Tomb of Giants). All of this was connected by the arch trees, and at the very base of the world we had a hidden dragon.
There was a lot of thought put into Dark Souls world design and it goes a long way to sell the atmosphere of the game. In 2, you can see a lot of distant zones in the background (from Majula you can see Forest of Giants, Heide's Tower of Flame and Drangleic castle), but it doesn't feel the same
jeb sound autistic
>>320316696
There is even content on the disc for the broken archstone, so DeS is definitely not a finished game either.
>>320313761
Hopefully it isn't an awful mess like DaS 1's port is and if it is I'm sure that guy that made DSFix will whip something up in 2 hours after release like he did last time. I do know that it was confirmed that all versions of DaS3 will be capped at 30 FPS though which is disappointing because its only because From can't be assed to not tie everything to the frame rate.
>>320310736
Real intelligent answer.
>>320321517
There will be a line, I mained it too.
>>320322461
Better whip that dick out then anon.
i got bored after blightown
>>320320312
Maybe a mixture of both with a lot more ideas from DaS1?
>>320322683
Nah, everything after Anor Londo (Painted World not included) felt a little limp.
>>320322328
No game is "finished" if you're using that logic. Every single major release has content that's cut or unfinished. Some of it ends up as junk data on the disc.
MGS5 and Xenogears are unfinished. DeS is a complete game.
>>320319502
>Spoiler
Yes please. I'm doing a heavy weapons (UGS, axes, clubs, etc) run on DaS1 for the first time and it would be incredibly satisfying if critical attacks from big swords split enemy in half or at least did something a little more interesting than act like a club.
They made the giant boobies then spent the rest of the dev time up to the final week jacking off, then they pooped out the post lordvessel content and called it a day.
>>320322453
thanks
I think the Duke's Archives came out alright.
>>320323368
Realest possible answer.
>>320321728
Its such a wierd build though considering Luck is otherwise a dump stat.
>>320323505
dukes was alright, but it suffered a little from enemy repetition. Crystal hollows were basically burg hollows but with beefed up stats, channellors and snake men were re-used as well, crystal golems and the moonlight butterflies had already been encountered in darkroot. So the only new enemies were the octopi head snakemen and the clams
overall it was probably the strongest of the post lordvessel levels after the tomb of the giants
Can I just bring up how fucking great the Painted World was?
>>320324016
clams were also reused from ash lake m8
>>320324274
i figured the clams were used in dukes and then reused for ash lake, since the lake was basically thrown in at the end of development since they didn't want to cut it
Anor Londo was the high point, literally and figuratively (though I guess the Duke's Archives are technically on higher ground). The place most untouched by the dying flame. The last, smoldering cinder of a ending age. And you trudged through refuse, feces and insurmountable odds to reach it. Everything else has been laid low, ashes. Desolation. This point is especially hammered home when you reach the Kiln of the First Flame. I remember the tinge of sadness I felt opening that door. I felt sohollowafter beating Gwyn. It was just so saddening. No comfort. The friends you made along the way are likely dead, hollow, or on their way to one those. Even if you manage to prevent all of their deaths/hollowing, the outcome is the same.Who am I fooling, everyone here is talking purely about the gameplay. I think it was still fun and I still find it tons of fun to replay. But everything after Anor Londo is just kind of depressing.
>>320324715
It's true. Getting to Anor Londo and progressing through it really feels like a reward for getting through everything before it, but the content after that not so much. It's kind of neat aside from the fact that it makes repeat playthroughs a bit of a slog in the last act.
since we're talking about dark souls Ash Lake is my favorite place in terms of design and atmosphere
It's small as hell and there's almost nothing to do there but I love how it feels disconnected from the rest of the world and it feels like a world on its own. Also the scenery around with countless great trees going up.
It feels like you're in some different dimension or something that no one knows about
>>320309693
Jokes on you fags, i stayed trash and enjoyed the whole thing
>>320321517
>The Perfect Onion Knight
>Catarina Helmet
>Silver Knight Chest
>Catarina/Silver Knight Gauntlets (I prefer Catarina)
>Silver Knight Leggings
>Iron Round Shield
>SKSS
With equal INT/FAITH and appropiate stats to take advantage of SKSS scaling. Probably one of my favorite builds that I did.
>>320325197
also dat music
>>320317775
Papa Nito was weakened greatly by that traitorous piece of shit Pinwheel. I wish there was a way to avoid killing Nito. Also I fucking love the Tomb of the Giants. There's only like two slides and I just had a lot of fun navigating that spooky ass cavern.
>>320317648
>Less upgrade types
No.
That was one of the best parts of DeS. It let you use basically any weapon with any build. The issue was the obscene amount of grind and the potential of not getting a Pure of certain stones since because lizards.
>>320324274
Id say its the other way around since Ash Lake is pretty incomplete and every other enemy appeared somewhere else in the game.
>>320311863
There's a pillar/stalagmite in Gwyn's arena near the western wall that's thick enough to bug out his pathfinding.
Lure him to the wall and play peekaboo around that pillar. ie. walk left and right (always keep him opposite you) while blocking with a high fire-resist shield. When you're directly opposite eachother in melee range it triggers him to either kick or use a combo attack; the kick will miss outright and you can simply back off to avoid chip damage from his sword until he's finished flailing about. Once his combo's nearly finished move back in, punch him 1-2 times, lather, rinse, repeat.
I beat him at SL1 in NG+ that way.
He instagibs you if you fuck up though.
Did anyone else really like the weird alarm drone music in the dukes archives?
>>320326081
or he can just learn how to parry him and beat him even on ng7 with a finger up his ass
when you're close to him he only has 2 attacks, quick one and slower one.
When he does the slower one you just parry him normally, when he does quick he's gonna go for 3 or 4 hit combo so you block the first one and only parry the second one
Roll when he grabs or kicks
GG
>>320305361
>the little city area was good imo
agreed. it clearly looked like pic related and that was great. it also gave more story to Solaire and Siegmeyer.
But then it had one of the worst bosses, 2 reused bosses as normal enemies, statues and the legs of a t-rex for some fucking reason. It could have been eerie and unsettling like latria in DeS
>>320326252
It was spoopy, I realized the snake guys are running away, so I looked to see what they're running away and saw the blue snakes sprinting my way, that was spoopy
but then it turned out they're super easy and shit
>>320326295
True, but my way is easier.
>ng7
And honestly, who even gives a shit to go past NG++.
>>320318024
Remember when I struggled to get past this fucker, those weer good times
>>320325823
Pinwheel didn't do shit to Nito. He stole the Rite of Kindling, yeah, but what the fuck was Nito going to do with bonfires anyway?
Nito weakened himself by sacrificing so much of his power to death, according to the soul description. Kind of spooky - even Nito, one of the most powerful beings in the world and pretty much a death god, still worships and makes offering to the concept of death itself.
>>320325197
> nothing to do there
except get raped to fucking death by the hydra and the crabs, assuming you even made it through the Great Hollow alive or uncursed
>>320327095
Now it's been quite a long time since I've dusted off my lore, but I'm quite sure it's stated either in game or official material that Pinwheel stole the power of the Gravelord aka Nito. I'm quite sure it's not referring to the Rite of Kindling, which is something that's implied to be practiced outside of the tomb. It's more likely Pinwheel picked it off a cleric, or was originally a cleric himself.
>>320327756
>tfw want to get to everlasting dragon but die to clams and forget to use bonfire in ash lake so get sent back to the top of great hollow
This thread depresses me. Is there any worse feel than realizing that there are no reasons to keep playing, and that a game in the end is just a game and can't really bring you any true mysteries?
Did anyone here just skip the Capra Demon and the Gaping Dragon?
ok mom
>>320328186
I once completely forgot to do the Gaping Dragon because I much prefer taking the back door to Blighttown, but I rarely skip bosses. I actually kind of like the Capra Demon fight.
>>320307626
Well meme'd. Not even going search for the response image.
So is it me or do you get status effected faster in DaS with DSFix on. Specifically the FPS unlocker?
I could swear I am getting poisoned much faster than I used to. A rat poisoned me in two hits and the swamp fills up the bar faster than I remember. I know some things are affected by framerate and Im wondering if thats one of them
>people think KalaNEET is a good fight
Run left and don't get stunlocked by his meme breath, great mechanics.
>>320328186
Gaping is so easy it's basically free souls and weapon just to piddle away the five minutes killing him
>>320327902
Na, clerics go into the Catacombs specifically for the Rite of Kindling. Petrus tells you. According to the Rite all clerics can do it, and all Undead can imitate it, but presumably even for a cleric the Rite boosts the ability.
Seeing as Pinwheel drops nothing of significance other than the Rite, in all likelihood that's what he stole. It could of course be Nito's power over death, but I think to do that he would have had to somehow steal part of Nito's soul* and Pinwheel doesn't have a soul drop. And again, even if he did, Nito's soul specifically says most of his power went to death, so whatever Pinwheel stole couldn't have been that significant.
*Of course, the aim of the Occult Rebellion was also to steal Nito's power so maybe there is some other way of doing it, or maybe Pinwheel was involved with that in somewl way.
>tfw got to Seath (second fight) and stopped playing
>>320308443
>drake sword
ok buddy
>>320320220
seconded
>>320329391
He said "casual", i think that is what he was aiming for
>>320307579
At least Amana looked pretty as fuck. As opposed to burning my cornea's orange.
>>320328719
>Gaping is so easy it's basically free souls
I found Gaping to be among the hardest bosses on my first character, actually.
Also you guys are making me want to replay DS1; I especially miss my old Pyromancer build, but with thousands of hours dumped into the game it's probably not worth going back.
>>320330270
>Gaping to be among the hardest bosses on my first character
how?
I'm not even one of those git gud autists but Gaping is the epitome of a boss that looks intimidating but ends up a pushover, he fights like a boss from some 90's game with his stupid charge attack leaving him wide open and the rest of the time he does fuckall if you stay far away enough
>>320330475
I don't have any issues with him now, obviously, but back then it was probably a mix of not really having a good grasp on the battle system yet* and Gaping just being an ass with his attack patterns.
I recall him spamming his tail swipe attack and charging around like a cunt. Probably took me at least a dozen tries.
*I was coming off of Demons Souls where magic/faith builds were OP as shit, and my shitty split-damage Divine Halberd scaling off mediocre faith probably wasn't helping
>>320330475
Gaping ended up being the quitting point for my first two DaS characters. I just didn't understand how to handle the game at the time and simply couldn't beat him. He's easy as shit now, of course.
>>320330475
I remember he kept kicking my ass the first time I fought him because there was apparently a rare version of the flying attack he does where he will actually fly over you then land. He normally just does it if you are attacking him from range but he kept doing it to me in melee range which basically gave me no chance to escape so I kept getting instakilled that way.
Without that ai quirk, yeah hes piss easy.
>>320310765It's out there, you just have to know where to look: http://www.deviantart.com/art/The-Growing-Sun-328089870
>>320331506
>He normally just does it if you are attacking him from range but he kept doing it to me in melee range which basically gave me no chance to escape so I kept getting instakilled that way.
>>320330881 here. I actually recall this happening to me now.
Also it wasn't for the longest time that I ever saw him do that corrosive puke move, so I'm thinking he got a major AI overhaul at some point after release.
>>320303502
The gimmick of the Crystal Cave was underused. There should have been a portion that required the player to really concentrate on the ground.
Tomb of the Giants should have been more complex. Seeing how the lantern tells you where to go anyway, they should have offered more off-path areas for the player to get lost in, with rewards, and perhaps an added encounter by a difficult unique enemy.
The entirety of Lost Izalith was just completely unfinished. Such a waste.
Drained New Londo Ruins needed more pathways, and more buildings to explore.
Overall, the end of the game was simply unfinished.
New Londo>Archives>Catacombs>Lost Izalith
The Four Kings are my favorite boss in the series.
They're beautiful, but horrifying. A cautionary tale against the Dark, and what happens to those consumed by a hunger for humanity.
All of New Londo has been building up to this fight. You drop into pure darkness, and these fallen kings come from the dark, twisted by hunger and the abyss.
>>320323092
No no. We're not talking about a few scraps of cut content. Most of the time, stuff gets cut in order to make the game feel more polished. As certain assets stopped having a purpose, they were removed. But that's not the case with DeS. The game was meant to have at LEAST 5 more levels. There was an entire world that was cut. they had every intention of including this world. And they just didn't have the time, because they were rushed. They had a map made, enemies, and animations.
DeS is an unfinished game.
>>320333690
Archives>New Londo>Tomb>Lost Izalith
I value exploration more. And new Londo Ruins was far too simple. You just walk in a circle. And then you drop in a hole. The boss is pretty cool.
>>320334534
You could just skip the Archives with a timed roll. Having to die against Seath really goes against the spirit of the game.
