So does Dark Souls count as a Western RPG or JRPG?
It's obviously made in Japan, but has little-to-no style and characterisation that usually predominates the JRPG genre. The style, aesthetic, themes, and settings are western as fuck. Incredibly European, particularly loving dashes of Germanic and Nordic mythologies. So I'm still trying to figure out what kind of RPG you can camp it with.
Stupid, useless question, I admit. But I'm honest-to-god puzzled here.
Not this shit again.
>>320244926
Responding to obvious b8
It's a JRPG.
It's obviously Japanese in design.
Only in Japanese games do you see characters weilding oversized weapons with ease
It's an action RPG by Japanese devs.
>>320245180
They do not wield the weapons with ease, though. And the dark souls protag also wields "normal" weapons like a chump. That is NOT how you swing a claymore.
J-A-RPG
iT'S SIMPLE ISN'T IT?
>>320244926
It's an action RPG with western stylization made with some JRPG game mechanics.
>>320245441
>iT'S SIMPLE ISN'T IT?
Not at all.
>>320244926
>muh labels
Why debate such a shitty topic? Let's debate on something real, something concrete. Like how PvP in all the souls games is absolute shit.
>>320244926
JRPG and WRPG are just meaningless words used to describe a certain type of game. Don't think too hard about their individual meaning.
>>320244926
>it's an rpg because it has stats
top kek
It's a hybrid
The general art style is western, but then they throw in weird Japanese shit like using a over sized desk lamp with jewels on it as a sword
>>320244926
it's just an rpg cuh fuck where it came from or who it for
>>320244926
It's much closer to dark japanese fantasy than western fantasy
>>320244926
It's a JRPG.
It was made in Japan by Japanese developers.
>>320244926
jrpgs are turnbased
jrpgs that arent turnbased are weebcatering anime shit
dark souls is none of those
>inb4 "no you IDIOT Jrpg is a game that was made in Japan"
No fuck you, theres NO point in the "jrpg" label if its just that simple, it has no fucking meaning.
>>320244926
>rolling simulator counts as an rpg because there are token rpg elements
You may as well poder about MGS V being an JRPG or not at this point.
>JRPGs are all waifu simulators with modern day settings
I love this meme
>>320246221
If that was the only criteria, people would just call then turn-based games and not something obtuse like Japanese.
>>320246221
Is Ultima a JRPG, then, retard?
Witcher 3 is a wrpg and was made in poland
>>320244926
Dark Souls isnt any sort of RPG, its a hack and slash.
>>320244926
Dark souls always seemed to me a mix of NES Zelda 2 with Monster Hunter, I think it is pretty japanese, although more of an action adventure game than an rpg, in spite of the customization and leveling up.
>>320246221
>it has no fucking meaning.
It means it was made in Japan.
If you follow a literal interpretation it's not, because while it is Japanese it's not a Role Playing Game.
If you go by what the acronyms came to mean it's not either, because it's clearly not a JRPG.
So it's not a JRPG.
>>320246528
>lets cite a 10 year old game
ITS THE CURREN YEAR CMON
>>320246515
Its because the japanese are famous for it.
>>320246913
>shitposting /tv/ trash
Figures
>>320246842
Yes and that means nothing anymore
>>320247082
It means it's actually good, so it means a lot.
>>320245216
/thread
/v/ gets dumber everyday: the thread
>>320246913
Is South Park TSoT a JRPG, then, retard?
>>320244926
If dark souls is anything its an action adventure game with rpg elements.
>>320247213
It's a western game with Jrpg mechanics
JRPG, it was made in japan, that's all it takes.
>>320244926
It doesn't have JRPG themes?
Nigger what the fuck are you on about, the game is an overly convoluted mess plot wise that shits itself halfway through and is about gathering a band of companions to help in your fight against God. That's as JRPG as it gets.
It isn't styled like an anime but the Jap style is undeniably there, and at least character models aren't overly western, (meaning barrel chested men or sexualized women.) while the armor design isn't animu in any regard, it still has more flavor than any western shit I've seen, and while it takes heavily from European culture, so does something like Berserk and that doesn't make it any less of a manga.
>autism the thread
It's a Japanese roleplaying game. That's...pretty much all there is to say. Any other argument is autism.
FF7 isn't a western RPG for having a blonde white protag. Deus Ex isn't a JRPG for having a sword and a level set in asia. This isn't fucking rocket science.
"wrpg" and "jrpg" refer to the origin of the genre,
they do not refer to the origin of the game,
turkish delight is still turkish delight even if it's made in Brazil
even your wifes kid knows this
>>320245180
Something to note here: the starting stats of your character are the abilities of your average human, and some of the more outlandish weapons you can barely lift as a result. By the time you're using massive 100 pound swords you're literally not even a human anymore and this is one of the themes of the games.
Oh god why did I post before looking at the thread, you're all shit.
>>320247536
> and is about gathering a band of companions to help in your fight against God.
If you count all your friends slowly going insane and crazy until its just you and like 5 other people left in this massive dangerous empty world then sure
you got everything else right though
>>320244926
I consider it a Japanese game because it has terrible clunky animations, nonsensical hitboxes, an obtuse story conveyed poorly, obfuscated stat mechanics that people merely work around or exploit, and the fanbase is composed of insufferable tryhard elitists who invent memes to insult the game's critics as an attempt to shield their frail egos.
>>320247735
Well obviously, anyone who's played knows all your friends go fucking loopy, point is that you find them and proceed through their specific character arcs, and your interaction leads them in a certain direction. While you don't win through the power of friendship or any such means, banding with them and helping them through the blight of the undead curse can definitely benefit you in the end.
>>320245589
J in J-RPG MEANS THAT THE GAME IS MADE BY JAPS
OR mAybE YOU're TOO YOUNG TOO UNDERSTAND
;^)
>>320247851
thisand i love the game
>>320246221
So Neptunias aren't weebcatering anime shit then?
>>320247735
>>320247896
And thinking about it, you CAN win through the power of friendship by utilizing summoning signs.
you must all be taking the piss or something, JRPGs are exactly what they sounds like, RPGs made in JAPAN
same with WRPGs - They are RPGs made in the WEST.
This has to be a joke I swear to god.
>>320247851
I'm guessing you've only played Dark Souls 2? Cus you've written the exact reasons fans hate that game.
>>320247576
What a retarded analogy.
A dish is a dish, video games comes in all different kinds of shapes.
Is a JRPG still a JRPG if it has real time combat?
If it has a realistic artsyle but turn based combat?
If it's of western origin but with an anime style?
Games don't neatly with into a genre most of the time.
>>320246221
WRPGs' origins were turn based too you goober.
>>320247576
Genres are more like flavors than specific dishes though, you're shit at analogies m8
>>320247576
Video Games and Food are completely different things, there is just no way an analogy would work for either.
>>320248116
Wrpgs arent known for Turnbased shit though,the japs have that shit completely
>>320248417
New Divinity
>>320247553
Either you accept that an acronym can mean more than its individual words imply, and Dark Souls clearly isn't what JRPG came to mean, or you don't, which means that it's not an RPG to begin with.
>>320244926
It's a jrpg, if you insist on using the term, because it comes from Japan.
JRPG conventions.
>Established main character.
>Story driven game, characterization is a major emphasis.
>Stats, skills, itemization and all those jams have pretty deep mechanics.
>Probably some obtuse clunky controls or mechanics.
WRPG conventions
>You create the main character
>Exploration, roleplay and world building are the major emphasis
>Pretty shallow itemization, skills and stat building. Sometimes entire suits of armor will be one item.
>Absolutely no challenge to the game, mechanics and controls are so dumbed down an ape can play.
>>320248459
Not turnbased
>>320248417
you must be joking
>>320246880I felt bad none of your bait posts are getting any replies so here's a reply
@320246221
That post is so shit you don't even deserve an actual (You).
>>320248472
If Dark Souls was a WRPG it'd have boring as fuck monster designs or races ripped straight out of a tolkien book instead of the wildly imaginative and grotesque creatures the series is known for having :^)
>>320244926
Can a westerner make a jrpg?
>>320248601
Great comeback. Do you have anything substantial to say?
>>320248025
how does this distinction helpful in any way?
genres are suppose to help you recognize certain characteristics in the game
an FPS tells you it's a first person shooter, it involves guns and shooting
if you play an FPS (half life, serious sam, ...) you can say with certainty - this was an FPS
how would you tell a jrpg from a wrpg without outside info (inb4 credits, studio logo)?
>>320248669
If it's made in Japanese/Japan.
>>320248661
Just because something isn't a JRPG doesn't mean it's a WRPG ;^)
>>320248573
You could know what you're talking about before you reply. That'd make you seem less retarded
>>320247851
Hey at least its not a WRPG
>>320248597
You must be retarded
>>320248776
Your definition from turnbased is different from mine then
>>320248706
Just because you're oblivious to it doesn't mean it's not what it is, dipshit. If you were playing Dark Souls and have no idea that it was made in Japan, it still doesn't make it a Western game. There's even a bajillion fucking Japanese names in the credits. Take your stupidity and leave please.
>>320248685
I'm sorry man, I know you expected someone to take it I guess the only thing you can do is keep lurking and hone your ebic trolling skills.Or you can fuck off to /b/ with the rest of the cancer I don't really give a shit ;^)
>>320248967
Combat starts and actions are split into turns. How is that not turn based?
>>320247576
Pretty much this
>>320248981
>it still doesn't make it a Western game.
Who said that it does, exactly?
>>320248967
So X-Com is a japanese game then? It meets all the criteria for a JRPG, doesn't it?
>>320248417
New J-RPGs aren't known for that too. Look at FF15, Souls and new FF7.
It's a RPG that was made in Japan.
It's a fucking JRPG.
>>320249082
what do you mean?
>>320248025
Yes, but they also have recurring themes and settings that makes them the product of the culture which spat them out. WRPGs typically involve medieval European settings (Elder Scrolls, Witcher, Warcraft, etc). While JRPGs typically go for an over-the-top, anime standing (Final Fantasy series, Chrono Trigger, Persona series). Dark Souls is the least Japanese JRPG I have ever played.
>>320249030
>>320249089
>>320249120
you were trolled all along get fucking rekt nerds
let met save you trouble and post all of your
>yfw
>>320249008
I'll just be hiding your posts. Have fun false-flagging somebody else :D
>>320244926
Next you'll tell me Kingdom Hearts isn't a JRPG because it's cartoonish instead of generic anime.
>>320249254
Sure m8 whatever you say
>>320249293
KH is shounen as fuck, what are you smoking?
>>320249250
>Dark Souls setting isn't over-the-top
... what?
>>320249250
I will not even grace this with my own serious reply so here's your (You)
>>320249284
> :D
Good job on making yourself sound even more irrelevant.
It's an ARPG. A stands for Action, Japs and Whiteys can both make ARPGs.
>>320249338
>yfw when you got so fuckin rkd and tryin to hide it
>>320249204
Who said that it not being a JRPG makes it a WRPG?
If JRPG isn't strictly an RPG made in Japan, why would WRPG still be its opposite? The entire point is that the location should be used simply to differentiate specific styles that naturally arose in specific parts of the world.
>>320244926
>So does SotN count as a Western RPG or JRPG?
>It's obviously made in Japan, but has little-to-no style and characterisation that usually predominates the JRPG genre. The style, aesthetic, themes, and settings are western as fuck. Incredibly European, particularly loving dashes of Germanic and Nordic mythologies. So I'm still trying to figure out what kind of RPG you can camp it with.
>Stupid, useless question, I admit. But I'm honest-to-god puzzled here.
>>320249523
No it's a JRPG because it was made in Japan, not in the West. How hard is this to comprehend.
>>320247428
So civilization is a jrpg. Who knew.
>>320249385
It's about as over-the-top as every other game on the market. And it's about as over-the-top as Western Mythologies usually get. Making it a mere sliver in comparison to over-the-top insanity you'd get in an anime or Final Fantasy game. And you seem to be arguing from the standpoint of said over-the-topness' existence, rather it's level of intensity.
I'm not sure where this whole "Dark Souls is over-the-top" bullocks comes from. It's one of the most subtle and minimalised game I've played since Ico and Shadow of the Colossus. Even Skyrim, or hell even Morrowind, were more out-of-left-field than DS tries to be.
japan doesnt make action rpgs so its a wrpg duh
Action RPG (by Japanese devs)
It's a JRPG if you are using the absolute literal meaning of that. Which nobody uses it for, so why would you use it that way?
JRPG is used in the vernacular to describe FF-like games. This game is clearly not a JRPG in that sense.
>>320245180
wrong
>>320245216
right
>>320249697
>How hard is this to comprehend.
The fact when you play it, there's virtually no way to tell it was made in Japan unless you already had background knowledge on the company and developers who produced it.
I was always under the impression JRPG was a genre, not literally any RPG made by Japanese people.
>>320249884
Except I'm not a bumbling fool and have knowledge of Japanese tropes and can recognize Japanese names in credits. You'd have to be either stupid or 12 years old not to figure these things out.
Next you'll tell me Devil May Cry is a Western Action Game.
>>320249697
You said:
>If you were playing Dark Souls and have no idea that it was made in Japan, it still doesn't make it a Western game.
And I replied with: the implication isn't that if it's not called JRPG then it's a WRPG.
If you call it JRPG simply because it's an "rpg" made in Japan, then JRPG becomes a useless nomenclature, because it doesn't say anything meaningful about it.
JRPG however can also refer to a style of RPGs that has originated in Japan. Not being a JRPG in this sense doesn't make a game a WRPG, because WRPG too is another specific kind of RPG, and DaS clearly doesn't belong there either.
>>320245216
the only correct answer
>>320249884
It doesn't matter if you "can't tell." It says right on the box who made it. We both know where that company hails from.
>>320249764
Giant Dad before patch 1.06
>Heaviest armor in the game
>Massive elemental weapon of your choice
>Spells of mass destruction since pyromancy requires no stat investment
>flip around like a fucking ninja
m8 plz
>>320250036
>have knowledge of Japanese tropes
Which are virtually, and untraditionally, non-existent in this game.
>>320249942
it is, the term is just used for a proxy war between pnp spergs and weeb spergs.
A JPRG can also be an ARPG, or a Turn Based RPG, or a TRPG or a Dungeon Crawler, or other types of RPGs. All that matters is that it's a JRPG first because it was made in Japan.
>>320250046
Indeed it's redundant but it seems people put worth into it so we must accept the fact that it stands for something, stop twisting it into things it's not. It's a game made in Japan and we have words for that and it's JRPGs.
>>320250104
Sounds like something you'd typically find in a modern day AAA game made in the west.
>>320250046
>jrpg becomes useless nomenclature
>becomes
It's always been useless nomenclature anon. I'm glad you're getting the hang of these dang old "videogames"
>>320249764
>Making it a mere sliver in comparison to over-the-top insanity you'd get in an anime or Final Fantasy game.
In a game where you kill dragons, giant skeletons, skeleton dogs, hydras, mushroom people, a tree, a lady with a spider for lower body and ghosts, all the while wearing nothing but underpants and wielding a katana while chucking lava balls and doing cartwheels isn't as over the top as an anime because...?
>>320250118
except there is if you look. I see references to Berserk here and there, a japanese comic known as MANGA
>>320245216
this
also it's very japanese in the sense that the design is really thorough. We'll never see a western game with boss fights like dark souls
Dark Souls is a JRPG.
The kind of JRPG you're thinking of is just a bunch of tropes common in JRPGs.
>>320244926
Dark Souls is a hack and slash and not an RPG at all. Stats and loot aren't what make RPGs RPGs
>>320250229
Sure, if you stubbornly ignore how it could be used in a meaningful way and keep nagging that it should mean something completely useless then it'll always be useless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLwaRaVfxAA
WRPG or JRPG?
>>320250402
No its always been useless you're just now getting the idea. "Jrpg" isn't a genre. Action rpg is a genre. Srpg is a genre. Jrpg literally means role playing game made in japan.
>>320250202
>so we must accept the fact that it stands for something
You're the one who should be accepting this.
You accept that it's an RPG despite the fact that it's literally not a "Role Playing Game", don't you? Then also accept the fact that the "Japanese" part of the acronym means something different than what you want it to mean, because your way the acronym becomes completely useless.
>>320244926
Possible definitions.
CRPG
ARPG
JRPG
Really it falls into a lot of categories neatly so it's not worth it to try and pigeonhole it into one slot. In my opinion OCD labeling things to the point of forcing possible multi-genre games into one genre is harmful as a whole.
>>320244926
All this wrong answers.It's obviously a survival horror game with rpg elements.
>>320250434
aRPG
>>320250283
The entire game is about looking at the subtle details and piecing together the story of the world. But Japanese tropes and other themes and ideas normally found in something like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts are just practically not in the game. Period. It's more closer to a bleak and hollow take on Lord of the Rings than, say, a film by Kurosawa or Mizoguchi. It's among the least Japanese JRPG to come out of the region.
>>320250537
Why does the "japanese" part have to be literal when the "role playing" doesn't?
>No its always been useless you're just now getting the idea.
Stop being a patronizing shit, this kind of discussion has been going on since forever. You're just trying to dismiss anybody who doesn't agree with you as being non-existent.
Also if you agree that it's useless then what's your problem in changing its meaning exactly? Plenty of people seem willing to accept the idea, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist to begin with.
>>320250569
except we do play a role and can self-insert into a literally blank slate (or not, your decision), gain levels, acquire loot and slay monsters in typical RPG fashion. It so happens this self-inserting, level-gaining, loot-acquiring and monster-slaying game was made in Japan.
>>320250569
Well the Souls games are role-playing Games. I know this because I've played them and they're role-playing games. The definition for RPG's is definitely flexible because role-playing as a concept is as flexible as the human mind.
>>320250735
Still a Japanese game. It's got a Western setting but it's still Japanese. Next you'll tell me Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is a Western Comic Book.
>>320250807
>>320250846
>RPG can mean something different than its original meaning to define a genre
>Japanese can't
Why not call every game in existence "role playing" then? It's what it means, in every game you play a "role". Why does JRPG have to be a useless nomenclature, but RPG is fine as it is?
WRPG and JRPG exist as distinctions because of how different those two genres are
they didn't come to be because people gave a crap where the games were made
it's a set of mechanics and themes specific to the GENRES rather than the LOCATION where they were made
I can't tell who's serious and who's shitposting these days.
>>320250801
Firstl both parts are taken at face value. I don't know why you think that they aren't. Secondly there is no "discussion." I don't mean to patronize but you're trying to overturn established law because "muh feelings."
I'm against it because you don't just change shit willy nilly. Jrpg means Japanese role playing game. There's 0 arguement that it wasn't made in japan. There's more ground to stand on if you want to argue it's not a role playing game but that too will be shut down.
>>320244926
it's a action RPG that was made in Japan.
JRPGs while originated in Japan is a sub genre and has nothing to do with who made it.
>>320251009
Japanese by origin and region. But definitely not Japanese in a style normally produced by the C, A, & E.
>>320251064
Because we've attached a meaning to it, and that is why we must adhere to the word's meaning. JRPG is widely known to be games made in Japan and WRPG vice-versa. Unless you can change the meaning of these words, please refer to them in the proper manner.
>>320251124
>you're trying to overturn established law because "muh feelings."
lol no
Your feelings aren't established law friend. Correcting you on the proper definition of JRPG isn't changing anything.
rpg made by japs =/= jrpg
rpg made by whitu pigu =/= wrpg
>>320251215
So Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is a Western Comic Book then? It's set in the West so it MUST be Western!
>>320251124
it's a japanese arpg
it doesn't adhere to the wizardry-clone ideals that defines the jrpg so it's not a jrpg.
>>320244926
JRPG = Japanese Roleplaying Game
So it's a RPG made by Japanese developers. Therefore, it's a JRPG.
>>320251335
No jrpg is an acronym that stands for Japanese role playing game. There's no interpretation there. It's also not a genre so if you'd stop trying to use it as if it were you'd run into less issues.
Also you dropped the whole "it's not a rpg" angle. I was looking forward to your stupidity.
>>320244926
A JRPG simply because it was made in Japan. But the style is far away from the genre as you normally get from FromSoftware games. Even Evergrace (terrible game by the way) had a somewhat similar thing going on.
>>320251124
>you're trying to overturn established law because "muh feelings."
You're an idiot.
>I'm against it because you don't just change shit willy nilly
I don't change shit willy nilly, the meaning of words changes all the time.
Japanese RPG as a term was born because Japanese RPGs had a radically different style. Using the word to refer to that specific style is perfectly reasonable, just like a "French Press" doesn't stop being called like that just because it's made in Germany.
The term RPG ITSELF changed meaning because of how the genre and its mechanics have been applied throughout the ages, and now you're using double standards to explain me why a term should stay useless.
a jrp is an rpg that contains autistic weeb shit.
>>320251493
No its an arpg because that's the genre the game is. It's a jrpg because it's from japan. Pls stop children. You're giving an old man a heart attack.
>>320251419
>So Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is a Western Comic Book then?
That's up to you.
>>320251064
Um I don't really know. JRPG is used to describe a Japanese style RPG. As time passes you're going to see a lot of overlap as both nations take influence from each other's games. There will probably come a day where JRPG and WRPG will come together as just RPG. ARPG's are still very different from a traditional RPG however and they'll probably retain their title. In my opinion it's not worth it to debate the connotations of a genre when really the best way to decide where a game falls, for you, is to play it and take all it's elements and influences into account. At least that's what I do. I go on a game-by-game basis. I would, personally, describe Dark Souls as an ARPG. Since the terms are so loose and most people don't agree on them there's significant personal preference involved with coming to your conclusion. And truth be told as long as you're having fun and your life is being enriched somehow there's no reason to care too much.
>>320251279
>JRPG is widely known to be games made in Japan
It is also widely known as something else, but you're ignoring that.
This threat itself wouldn't exist if there wasn't this diatribe, but you're ignoring it and the only argument you're using is "IT'S ITS LITERAL MEANING" despite the fact that the LITERAL MEANING of RPG is a completely different thing.
>>320251539
wrong. you don't call ridge racer Jracing or devil may cry Jhack&slash or resident evil Jsurvival horror...
a wrp is an rpg that contains autistic west shit.
>>320251681
Yes, but you do call a Japanese RPG a JRPG.
>>320251680
indeed but we still put a certain value to it so we must stick with it. Think of a new name and then we'll put a value in that, then we won't have these stupid discussions.
>>320251543
>It's also not a genre
Oh, is that not open for interpretation either?
Why do you think people came up with the word "JRPG" in the first place, if it apparently tells you nothing about the game? No, they used it to categorise a specific kind of RPG that originated in Japan and had very specific Japanese cultural influences. It's not any Japanese RPG. It's the archetypal Japanese RPG. This is what it means and has always meant and the only way there is even a point to using it.
Reminder that JRPG is a stupid term for people who are unable to differentiate actual Japanese terminology.
>>320251543
>>320251539
I want weebs who haven't played a crpg to leave this site
you aren't being clever. the different terms exists to separate games by style of play, you'd know this if you had ever played a crpg. not every rpg is a wizardry clone with a group of valiant teens saving the world
>>320251419
>dat strawman
the style and look is so obviously anime/manga. there's nothing about it that looks at all western. it's still japanese art to even a blind child. early castlevania games looked more western.
>>320251561
Here's the root of the issue. Why do you think jrpg is a genre?
Also stop skirting the whole "des isn't a rpg" unless you want to present an arguement for me to dismantle. As it stands I have not flexed on j or rpg so there is no "double standard"
>>320251842
It's style (to me, at least) looks heavily inspired by Western Comics. It's not like I'm an expert on the matter and neither are you.
why r the japanese dick riders on this site so autistic bout this definition. its really any game that caters to weaboos.
>>320251824
This is a pretty kick-ass chart in my opinion.
>>320246221
So Fallout 1 & 2 are JRPGs? They're turnbased.
Is Mass Effect a JRPG?
>>320251986
>weaboos.
Why can't the western retards ever spell the insult they're trying to spout?
>>320251824
I eagerly await anyone who has anything to dispute with this chart.
>>320251824
I appreciate this chart. I'd prefer it get expanded upon a little bit, but as a start, it's definitely good at explaining this genre bouillabaisse we've been stuck on for so long.
Berserk is a cartoon.
>>320246221
I guess XCOM is a jrpg then. Makes sense.
>>320252251
>>320249089
are you me
>>320251824
>>320252154
the chart is nothing more than the opinion of it's creator,
where are the proofs
>>320251986
>caters to weebs = Hyperdimension Neptunia and NOT MUH PRECIOUS WESTERN GAEMS!!!
Weebs like Dark Souls, Armored Core, and games like them because they are made in Japan. It's not less "weeb" just because you also like it.
>>320252318
this is the answer I have been waiting for.
>>320252135
are you retarded? weaboo is correct
>>320252227
TEEN TITANS
IS
ANIME
>>320251824
I guess you could call it lrpg but it would miss the conventions that have been established and developed in japan. it has become its own thing
>>320252054
no because they're obviously heavily inspired by p&p roleplaying
>assblasted weebs can't handle logic and resort to stawmanning
>>320252436
Fallout 1&2 still fits the Criteria for a JRPG, like it or not.
>>320252315
Well. At first glance I agree with the classifications that the chart makes. The first step to confirming it's validity would be to critically think about any problems that may be present. Like I said I agree with the chart so if you don't agree with it than just pick a game on it, say why it's mis-classified, and then give it's proper classification. That's generally how things get done I think. And if you're right and can prove it than you will have enriched everybody on this board and also the collective IQ of the board will have risen slightly.
>>320252318
>Weebs like Dark Souls, Armored Core, and games like them because they are made in Japan.
That's sad. Really the lowest form of weeb, even below moefags. At least they like Japan because of the things Japan makes, rather than liking the things Japan makes because they like Japan.
>>320252551
But it's not anime.
>>320252551
??? Fallout 1 & 2 is a CRPG. This has been common knowledge since like 1997.
>>320252551
not really because it has a focus on roleplaying and draws on a history established by western p&p games, you'd know this if you weren't a casual weeb with a victim complex
jrpgs is its own genre with its own conventions. I love earthbound and paper mario, I don't see why weebs are so adamant about muddling up the terms. it's almost as if they are ashamed of it
>>320244926
>The style, aesthetic, themes, and settings are western as fuck
They're all very obviously Japanese if you know anything about Japanese media.
The game's genre is Action RPG.
I think of JRPG as a genre with certain kind of gameplay and structure which can be made anywhere in the world (for example, Anachronox and Lisa are JRPGs), but in truth there just isn't a clear definition
>>320251978
yeah but it still looks so obviously japanese. the same sketch and caricature you see in every other anime or manga. i can look at it and still tell it's from japan. i can't say the same for the fromsoft games. they did such a great job capturing the western rpg and mythological look and feel you honestly can't tell it's from japan during your playthrough. it looks and execute itself exactly as if it were made on this side of the pacific. jojo's, despite the western setting, still glaringly looks like the country it was made in.
>It's not like I'm an expert on the matter and neither are you.
tu quoque
>>320252560
It's ok to admit you were wrong, not all of us can prove what we believe in
>>320252707
Doesn't matter, it's turnbased.
>>320252710
It's turnbased, and that obviously means it's a JRPG.
>>320252769
>not really because it has a focus on roleplaying
So do JRPGs.
>>320252551
The dialogue style alone makes it a CRPG, computer style RPG
>>320252769
Whoa whoa whoa. Why do you say jrpg is a genre? This is the root of the problem you guys have. If you would explain your stance I could help you learn a little bit.
>>320252563
You asked for genuine weeaboos, and that's what a genuine weeaboo looks for. Forgoing that, you also have tons of people who actively hate Western games because they are by and large garbage. Not to mention moefags are just following Japanese trends because it's easy to get more content out of them. Think Love Live and how much shit you can get for your favorite idol in regards to merch, interviews, songs, etc. Then imagine Dark Souls and how much intrigue you can find among Japanese individuals in regards to merchandise that isn't official. Even the fanart is lacking.
Jap games are just better, honestly. Unless you're obsessed with story and writing quality, you're not gonna find much of interest in Western games.
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>>320252710
I know guys I'm a fan of the series myself I was just trying to make a point. Don't think I'm just a buttmad weaboo or something.
>>320252951
1/10.
Apply yourself.
>>320251824
This makes some sense, but I don't agree with it.
The first and third columns make a lot of sense, but the second and fourth have games from 3 clearly different genres in them.
For example, Baldur's Gate style and Diablo style games should definately be their own genres. Skyrim doesn't fit either
>>320252769
>focuses on role-playing
as opposed to non-role-playing role-playing games?
>>320252808
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to forget my prove.
>>320252951
>not really because it has a focus on roleplaying
>So do JRPGs.
crpgs always tried to emulate p&p rpgs. jrpgs tried to emulate wizardry. that's why the japanese made final fantasy IV and west made fallout and both called it roleplaying games.
final fantasy has nothing to do with roleplaying, you're just leveling up stats and moving along a predetermined story with predetermined characters.
>>320252787
>they did such a great job capturing the western rpg and mythological look and feel you honestly can't tell it's from japan during your playthrough
It plays nothing like a western game
>>320253247
now you're getting it
>>320252994
Do "genuine" weeaboos even exist? Are there really people who will gobble up anything Japan shits out just because it's Japanese, with zero discernment or taste? I guess there must be, because you'd have to be in order to think "JRPG" is a useful term to keep around if it only refers to geographical origin.
But I think most weeaboos are actually fans of Japanese pop culture rather than fans of Japan. Liking something Japanese has to precede liking Japan for any rational person.
>>320252787
I don't really know any WRPG that looks like Dark Souls, and I have played a great number of them.
The armor is made with a realistic mindset rather than generic medieval trends. Tabards are colorful and embroidered with various patterns. You see very bright segments with a dense saturation throughout. There's a variety of "evil" enemies who aren't exclusively dragons, and demonic characters have more thought put into them than "Humanoid with red skin and spiky armor". The giant weapons are GIGANTIC, and yet still seem like something that belongs to the game rather than just being a gag item. Hell, even the cast of characters, as little dialogue as you get from them, only passively seem Western in design. You have a bitch wearing golden armor standing off to the side of a majestic kingdom, you have a heavily armored knight selling you items, you have a towering dragon that doesn't speak and you can choose to worship it at your leisure, it clearly seems as if it doesn't care.
More than anything, the stage design is not Western at all. You don't have colorless drab medieval farmlands everywhere, but instead colorful kingdoms and overgrown ruins filled with plant life. Not to mention areas like Majula and Gwynevere's chamber that just blast you with radiance the second you walk into them. Western games just don't have that.
>>320252994
>story and writing quality
Good to know the only western games worth playing are from over 10 years ago
>>320253409
Pro tip: role doesn't mean your characters backstory or opinions. What makes world of warcraft a rpg? Is it only because you have stats? Is it only a rpg if you play on a rp server?
No. You have a god damned role you need to fill in a group.
If I feel japanese then I'm japanese.
>>320253492
I don't think you get it, yourself.
the terms "wrpg" and "jrpg" are stupid internet terms that have only been adopted because of their frequent use throughout the 00s.
prior to this, generally we termed them as console RPGs and computer RPGs.
however even that isn't quite enough to categorise properly. instead we should look at how japan does it, since they have traditionally called what we would call a "jrpg" as "light rpg". this is because the origin of the jrpg came from trying to create a less menu intensive/difficult variant of wizardry, which was extremely popular in japan. that's literally what the goal of dragon quest was - to be a less intensive wizardry. a lighter experience.
true computer rpgs like pillars of eternity are rare now and most of what we call wrpgs now are like algamations of computer rpgs and console/light rpgs.
>>320253226
Well I think that what the chart is comparing is the different interpretations of CRPG's and ARPG's. I imagine different environments and cultures interpret what constitutes a table-top experience and action experience. And I would actually argue for Diablo 2 and Skyrim both being action-rpg's. I love Diablo 2 and hate Skyrim but I surrender to the idea that they're both very similar while still being worlds apart. Genres are hard I give up I'm just going to kill myself. See you in hell bitches
>>320253649
If I feel like a girl I'm a girl. This is a girls penis. Get over it boys.
>>320253494
>Do "genuine" weeaboos even exist? Are there really people who will gobble up anything Japan shits out just because it's Japanese, with zero discernment or taste?
Yes. Just because you're following your own meme word doesn't mean you're using it correctly.
>But I think most weeaboos are actually fans of Japanese pop culture rather than fans of Japan. Liking something Japanese has to precede liking Japan for any rational person.
You're trying to use the word to only fit one portion of the reaching amount of subgroups it defines. Weeaboos are people who forgo their own Western roots and yearn to be Japanese. There's people who are culturally weeaboos and instead just love architecture, history, and the language, so they learn how to speak Japanese and do tons of research. There are those who are weeaboos in terms of entertainment media, typically falling into either anime or games or J-Pop or some combination of the three. Then there also those who went so deep into the weeb pit they rebounded, quickly learning to hate Japan, but still loving the products it exports.
>>320253649
What if I'm playing a western RPG game and it feels like a JRPG? If it doesn't come from Japan, /v/ would laugh at someone if they said that.
>>320253582
Now you're getting it.
>>320253636
wow is not a rpg, it's a mmorpg.
>No. You have a god damned role you need to fill in a group.
according to you sports games are rpgs, good to know
>>320253659
I'm perfectly aware of what roleplaying games are. they're about engaging in a type of roleplaying as established by p&p rpgs. the focus is on acting like different characters and having the world react accordingly
Oh look, it is this thread again!
It all boils down to character design.
>>320253636
actually its literally an rpg because it has stats and you increase your stats from leveling up via killing enemies.
that is literally all that qualifies for an RPG in videogames
everyone in this thread is a retard
>>320254172
>wow isn't a rpg it's a ... rpg
How do you live with yourself being this retarded? Do people have to assist you in your daily living?
>>320246458
Kids raised under western kek reviewer culture have flawed understanding of country of origin. Pathetic isn't it.
It's an action/adventure game, having stats and items doesn't make a game an RPG what the fuck are you talking about
>>320253851
Liking only Japanese architecture or history or language doesn't make you a weeaboo. There's only one sort of person that yearns to be Japanese and it's teenage nerds and manchildren immersed in otaku shit.
>>320254172
>>320253535
>I don't really know any WRPG that looks like Dark Souls, and I have played a great number of them.
I don't believe you.
Dark Souls is a Metroidvania
>>320253636
This is the dumbest thing
>>320254727
Why not give a counterexample? A WRPG that actually has a Dark Souls look and feel? Or even gameplay?
I want westaboos to leave 4chan.
>>320254729
That actually makes a lot of sense, but is a lot less Metroid and a lot more Castlevania
>>320254834
Classes/roles literally define rpgs.
>>320254876
There isn't a single JRPG with DaS gameplay by definition so that's kinda moot.
But it's more that all of your examples are too stupid for anyone who claims to have played a great number of WRPGs. Tabards? Enemies besides dragons? Dudes in armour? Overgrown ruins? Never seen before in any Western vidya whatsoever.
Come on.
>The only thing that counts for something to be a "japanese" or "western" RPG is where it's made, HOW it's made and how it plays makes NO difference!
Here, have a bowl of american food.BUT, dark souls is neither WRPG or JRPG, it's an ARPG.
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>>320255438
>image didn't go through
fuck
>>320253440
then you're probably playing something else entirely. it's akin to witcher or fable in terms of gameplay, style, and setting. even skyrim hits the same notes as dark souls does. so whatever you're looking at, it's definitely not the same game we're talking about.
>>320253535
again, then you're probably not playing the same game. it doesn't even sound close to the same game.
dark souls is quite similar to witcher in artistic style; even diablo (especially the third one) bares a similarity. as well as the choices in colour and fabric patterns, aesthetics and ambience, were also present in vanilla skyrim and oblivion; and are also common occurrences in something like a warcraft game. plus these choices are typical in germo-norse mythologies, which often influence western media when they want to do something medieval looking. even the lord of the rings films borrowed from similar cultural sources.
gameplay-wise, dark souls is also quite similar to the fable games with a pinch of the gothic series thrown in. and even a game as recent as skyrim grasped for the same real-time combat marks that dark souls tries to do (but less methodically). even the witcher games, specifically the second one, had the same aim for challenge and strategy; where you need to put thought into your gameplay. are all steeped heavily in medieval european atmosphere. all latch themselves onto the mantras of germo-nordic fantasy settings that we normally see in the west. but pulls them down to the teeth, leaving a product where just by mere looks, productions, executions, etc. alone gives you the same impression we always get with western cultures.
i don't know what you guys are playing. but it sounds like a different game altogether.
>>320255560
a lost cause if I ever saw one
>>320255438
Because arpg is a genre and jrpg is not. It doesn't stop it from being a jrpg though just because you don't like it.
>>320254435
>omg water bears aren't really bears!
>omg lamp shades aren't lamps!
welcome to language buddy
>>320254668
it's a game but it's not roleplaying in any meaningful sense of the word
>>320255252
no, roleplaying as established by p&p rpgs defines crpgs, you fucking moron
I call dark souls a japanese arpg. it has some surface likenesses to western games but it's very japanese in its design philosophy and visual design
>>320254876
>A WRPG that actually has a Dark Souls look and feel?
diablo 3 has a similar look and tone at times. and the setting reminds me more of a tarkovsky film or a bergman movie.
>Or even gameplay?
witcher 2 was similar in gameplay. the first fable game was also similar in gameplay. same for gothic 2. and recent elder scroll games had similar rpg-mechanics.
>>320255418
Monster Hunter, Phantasy Star Universe/Portable/2/Online 2, Toukiden to a lesser extent
Your move.
>>320255560
>it's akin to witcher or fable in terms of gameplay, style, and setting. even skyrim hits the same notes as dark souls does.
Now of course they're going to say that DaS is special and unique and nothing like those games at all, because if the resemblance isn't 1:1 it doesn't count, apparently.
But on the other hand, DaS is completely like Atelier Totori or Eternal Sonata, I guess.
>>320255661
no it's not a jrpg because it wouldn't make sense to call it that. it would render the term useless to call every japanese game with stats a jrpg because that is not what the term originally was used for
>>320254939
Most Metroidvanias are to be fair
>>320255438
>>320255532
>Food argument
Fat.jpg
>>320252436
>inspired by P&P roleplaying
So was Dragon Quest, so I guess that's not a JRPG now.
>>320255661
But i like both JRPGs AND dark souls. They are completely different things.
I'm saying the JRPG and WRPG labels mean more than where the game comes from.
Do MacDonald's in japan make japanese food? Welll technically it's not wrong to say they do, but it's a different meaning of "japanese food" than it's usually used.
>>320251824
But King's Field is American and Wizardry is Japanese...
>>320255912
no it was inspired by wizardry you goddamn degenerate. Read. Learn. Use your brain
>>320255762
You call it that because that's what it fucking is. You're not some special snowflake. It's an arpg made in japan.
Also. Take note anon. You're playing a pen and paper game. You and your friends all have your own back stories and opinions. Your a thf. Your friends are warriors. The dungeon master gives you a friendly npc whitemage. You all proceed to do nothing but attack because the dm has decided there are no classes. Everyone is a carbon copy. It's no longer a role playing game because none of you are playing roles.
>>320255984
Mcdonalds doesn't even make American food in America.
>>320252787
>i can't say the same for the fromsoft games. they did such a great job capturing the western rpg and mythological look and feel you honestly can't tell it's from japan during your playthrough
Yes you can. Western RPGs aren't known for having a focus on boss fights, super-oversized weapons or hack 'n slash gameplay that isn't clicky spam bullshit like Diablo or Skyrim.
>>320255873
Jrpg is not a fucking genre you cockwhale. Stop trying to use it like one and you'll stop finding life so difficult.
>>320256192
Let's say a local store that sells hamburgers then.
>>320255862
They're ALL to a lesser extent.
There was a Western game from the 90s or early 2000s that resembles DaS pretty closely, but I forgot its name. But it doesn't matter, wasn't the Souls series explicitly based on the creator's experience of playing old (Western) RPGs as a child?
>People still think JRPG is a genre and not just a note that it's an RPG from Japan
>>320256240
It's either use it as a genre or don't use it at all. Those are your options.
Or be an insufferable weeb who likes to muddy the waters with useless contradictory definitions, I guess.
>>320256240
It is a genre though.
It's very different from western RPGs, they have a completely different design philosophy.
People use "JRPG" as a genre because there is a need to differentiate them. Plenty of people like WRPGs and not JRPGs or the other way around.
>>320256162
>P&P roleplaying games are only roleplaying games if they have classes. The fact that you are litterally playing the role of Sir Polkadot the third heir to the polkadot empire doesn't matter.
Freeform roleplaying games are a thing anon.
rank em:
ARPG
CRPG
DRPG
ERPG
HRPG
JRPG
LRPG
SRPG
TRPG
