Why does /v/ hate this game again?
Because it has some easy to point out and harp on flaws considering the series it's a part of. It's still a really good game though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
>>320080438
All areas are shit and all enemies are shit. Literally not reason to play it.
>>320080438
matthewmatosis said to hate it.
>>320080438
>/v/
>game
You answered your own question.
/v/ is full of retards bud
>>320080438
It's vastly inferior to its predecessor, but the reason I hate it the most is because a majority of the /v/ and Redditor Soulsfags started the Souls series with it, so they have a certain nostalgia for it that clouds their judgment.
Not a bad game by any means, but it's complete shit for a Souls game.
gameplay is shit
>>320080834
>I hate it the most is because a majority of the /v/ and Redditor Soulsfags started the Souls series with it
Citation needed.
I am positive that the majority of people on /v/ would've started with Dark Souls 1.
>>320080863
I've seen thousands of videos showing how shitty the hitboxes are in these games, but how come I have NEVER experienced it in my roughly 200-250 hours of playing both DaS1 and 2?
Is it between a ruse cruise and shitty unoptimized hardware or something?
>>320080990
They did. He's afraid to include himself.
>>320080990
What was the point of asking for a citation that cant be verified if you're going to make an equally unverifiable statement in the same post.
Because Dark Souls 1 became insanely popular and people expected the devs to not let the sequel be as much of a rushed, half-assed piece of shit like Dark Souls 1. Turns out they were wrong and both games are rushed, half-assed pieces of shit!The whole lying about the graphical quality and lighting probably upset a few people as well.
>>320080990
The easiest way to spot someone who started the series with DaS2 is to find someone who thinks it's a better game than DaS1. I know several people like this irl and they're fucking awful.
>>320081227
Started with Demon's and I think 2 is better than Dark Souls
>>320081172
its because 90% of the "bad hitboxes" webms are people who purposely don't level their ADP with full knowledge of how they have less i-frames than usual for doing so
>>320080548
This. This Irish potato nigger literally tells you for 50 minutes like it is.
>>320080669
>dude parrots lmao
Kill yourself. Agreeing with someone is parroting now?
>>320081398
Invincibility frames have nothing to do with hitboxes, or do they? That would be pretty silly but I wouldn't put it past From
Off the top of my head:
>uncreative/unmemorable bosses
>hit boxes were irredeemably terrible
>soul memory
>boring NPC's
>enemy placement/level design in general was poor
>creators completely forgot what made a Souls game fun
>>320080438
>linear as fuck
>all areas besides No Man's Wharf and Lost Bastille are just hallways
>rehashed bosses and enemies
>all enemies have the same attack patterns
>inferior music and atmosphere
>le praise the sun memes
>geographical inconsistencies
>piss-easy bosses
>barely any optional content
>upgrading weapons is fucking boring
>le Adaptation stat
>magic is disproportionately OP
Yeah what a mystery
>>320081536your hitbox doesn't move until you've completed the roll
>>320080438
1 word; Artificial difficulty.
Don't even forget the false advertising shit they pulled. That shit should be illegal.
>>320081398
Maybe these people didn't want to do that because Adaptation was a shit idea that is literally never going to be used in another From game?
>>320081853
>purposely gimp yourself
>complain about gimping yourself
you're just as dumb
>>320081657
ADP is fucking retarded but everything else is either incorrect or applies to the other games as well
>>320081805
that's two words retard
>>320081954
Why is Adaptation a good idea when timing was the main thing that determined how good your rolls were in DaS? Why should I have to arbitrarily level an otherwise useless stat for that in DaS2?
You fucking DaS2 memers are such idiots.
>>320081184
Bet you're that faggot always posting about how Dark Souls 2's gameplay is superior on /dsg/.
>>320082256
adp isn't a good idea
but if you know the stats purpose and still choose to not level it and STILL complain about your rolls being shit, then you're a fucking retard
>>320082325
wrong, I barely go on /vg/ and Like DaS more, I just thought his post was hypocritical
>>320081657
>DaS2 more linear than DaS1
Well that's a straight up lie.
>All areas besides No Man's Wharf and Lost Bastille are just hallways.
Oh hey another one.
>All enemies have the same attack patterns
That's three.
>Inferior music and atmosphere.
Considering both Souls games had equally awful OST's, that makes four.
>Geographical inconsistencies.
True, although DaS1 had them as well.
>Piss-easy bosses.
Applies to DaS1.
>Barely any optional content.
Another lie.
>Upgrading weapons is fucking boring.
A pointless comment. Applies to DaS1 as well I suppose since they have the same upgrading mechanic.
>Magic is disproportionately OP.
Only pre-nerf Hexes.
Shitpost/10
>>320082585
>True, although DaS1 had them as well.
this is a straight up lie
>>320082394
I'm saying I shouldn't have to level up the stat because it's not in any other game, and Miyazaki thinks it's a bad enough idea never to do it again. Learn to read.
>>320082585
God it looks like a cartoon or something
>>320082713
>PicOfBloodstainInLostIzalithVisibleFromAshLakeWithoutLostIzalithBeingVisible.png
>>320082713
Seconding this
DaS1 had amazing geographical consistency. DaS2's in pathetic.
>mfw the tunnel before Drangleic Castle
>>320082880
>Made up image
post it if its true
>>320081172
if you look at all these "shockwave" webms, it's literally just that one monster. That one monster has a fucked up hitbox on his slam. That's it.
The rest is low ADP, which in itself is a bad design decision, but at least it's not "LE B-TEAM"
>>320082720
And he never said anything about it being a good idea, just that you're retarded not to level it up. Learn to read.
>>320082585
I'm not going to get into this argument but i'm going to give you a tip for the future. When people bitch about something in DaS2 and you say DaS1 has it that doesn't make it OK and infact exemplifies why we would be upset that DaS2 has the problem because as a direct sequel it should fix the fucking faults of the first game
>>320083001
>made up image
>when it gets posted all the time when conversations about Iron Keep get brought up
Lurk more.
>>320082585
>Applies to DaS1 as well I suppose since they have the same upgrading mechanic.
Dark Souls as least had a variety of materials to farm in different areas and different upgrading paths. Everything in 2 either requires twinkling titanite or regular titanite.
Confirmation bias.
>>320083061
Good thing I never said I didn't level it.
Care to try again?
>>320083228
bring it up now or you're just a baiting retard
>>320083001
There's another part to that pic.
>>320083371
I don't know what bloodstain pic hes talking about but here's this
>>320083491
oh fuck this is it, i'm retarded
>>320083396
>>320083491
well shit
das1 is a fucking terrible game i guess
thanks for showing me the light
>>320083491
This isn't a problem if you're not autistic.
Blatant shit like Iron Keep being above Earthen Peak is just flat-out laziness.
>>320083671
No one brought up anything about DaS1 being a terrible game, but thanks for proving you'll be a defensive faggot either way.
>>320083979
you just shown me that das1 has terrible geography issues
das1 is clearly shit and das2 is obviously the better game
thank you for showing me the light in my idiotic ways
>>320083247
>Everything in 2 either requires twinkling titanite or regular titanite.
Just like Dark Souls, except they're actually easy to farm instead of having to kill skeletons at New Londo for chunks.
>>320083120
You'd have a point usually, but the arguments about Dark Souls 2 having these flaws are almost always followed up with "Dark Souls was better because it didn't have these flaws", when it's blatantly false. It's said to call out confirmation bias and faulty logic, not to necessarily defend the game.
You want to know the truth?
Demon Souls was widely acclaimed as the "hidden gem" of its generation of action RPG games. /v/ loved it and followed through with their hype into Dark Souls. But then Dark Souls started getting popular with the mainstream and especially Reddit. So in classic /v/ fashion, the contrarian counter-culture started flaring up.
A combination of people who have "already hated souls games" and people who claim to have played during the "golden age" of early DeS world tendency and DaS before the Giantdad memes started rolling in. There ended up being one specific target that managed to hit the crosshairs of secret club kids, consolefaggotry, and contrarianism which was DaS2.
Every little problem in DaS2 became a huge problem. Chloanne's low res cleavage. Areas with more than one monsters. Zones not being artistically consistent.
The people on /v/ who did still like souls games had to drop DaS2 to absolutely shit tier so that they could still manage to like Souls games while also separating themselves from Reddit/mainstream who liked DaS2.
I'd just say it's a mediocre game.
- Atmosphere is lacking compared to rest of swingy smashey FROM titles
- World isn't very compelling
- Focus on mobs attacking you is just annoying
- Slower than even Dark Souls, which is already agonizingly slow
- Level design seems rushed or not thought out
- World doesn't connect as well as DS1
- Agility is fucking stupid
- Too many oversized humanoids with sword bosses
- Tries to hard to include DS1 fan service when it should go it's own way
- None of the bosses have good atmosphere or the feeling of being epic
- Combat doesn't seem to have the same weight behind it as DS1
I'm not going to say it's horrible, but it's mediocre to average and a huge disappointment compared to DS1.
I mostly just play those games for the atmosphere and DS2 just is really lacking in that department.
>>320080438
it is the b team version of dark souls1
did you play das1? did you notice the similarities? it felt like playing a cheap knockoff from a bootleg company
if you disagree i know you did not play das1
>>320084136
>Just like Dark Souls,
>what is red, blue, green and white titanite
>what is Demon titanite
>>320084323
Or Dark Souls 2 could just be a weak follow up to Dark Souls, which is often considered the best game of last generation. Dark Souls 2 is by no means a bad game, but it's just somewhat disappointing.
>>320084136
>except they're actually easy to farm instead of having to kill skeletons at New Londo for chunks.
Spotted the fucking casual redditor, oh my God
>>320084613
>which is often considered the best game of last generation.
Nigga, I love Dark Souls but gimmie a break.
>>320083895
>This isn't a problem if you're not autistic.
But I thought Dark Souls had a masterfully crafted world that could only be designed by the likes of auteur Miyazaki.
Iron Keep was lazy, but unlike Dark Souls, the game never tried to simulate an accurate 1:1 world. You're no better than the other spergs you complain about.
>>320084759
Maybe you should go back to tumblr if you want to act like a smug high school girl.
>>320084839
He's right though. A lot of people will call it that. Doesn't mean they're right
>>320084323
are you trying to blame a shitty game on reddit?
lol, mate, souls have always been mediocre boring shit.
souls are really the best japan can do, its their only "real" game and they suck at it.
everyone needs to defend souls because there really is a force of marketers who will defend anything made by sony and/or japanese
honestly, if you went back in time and slapped an american label onto demons souls, it would have tanked to shit without all that online neogaf marketing
only impressionable internet idiots think souls are good. yes, this includes reddit but it doesnt stop there. and reddit is nowhere near the largest problem
the problem is the game is just overhyped shit
>>320085092
>lol, mate, souls have always been mediocre boring shit.
>A combination of people who have "already hated souls games"
>>320084901
>Iron Keep was lazy, but unlike Dark Souls, the game never tried to simulate an accurate 1:1 world.
>DaS2 is somehow better for failing more blatantly
Jesus fucking Christ, are you kidding me anon?
>>320082713
>Firelink Shrine on top of a mountain with a steep cliff face overlooking a valley.
>Take a short elevator ride downwards to New Londo.
>New Londo is somehow flooded despite no major water source being available nearby and it being lodged in the side of a mountain.
>The fissure in Valley of Drakes leads into Blighttown.
>When you crack open New Londo and drain it, the water does not drain into blighttown.
>>320083120
Dis post >>320081223 is mine as well, mang. I love the everloving SHIT out of thenon-playstationSouls games, but i'm also mature enough to recognize both games had their merits and flaws. Anyone that tries to treat DaS1 as the grail and DaS2 as shitmountain is an absolute dumbfuck.
>>320085092
Souls aren't "mediocre" or "boring". I'd say they're good, but overrated to hell and back, mostly by kids who think they're "hardcore" by playing them.
>>320084550
DaS2 replaced the specific colors with an upgrade stone, which then continued along the standard titanite path. It was a different system, I don't think it sets itself as "better" or "worse". It's just a different system.
>>320085212
>"failing"
But it never tried in the first place and made it completely clear from the get-go, unlike Dark Souls which tried and failed. But somehow it gets excused because of some stupid petty shit like arbitrary connections or no clipping.
>>320085212
Not him but lemme toss in a penny
The bad geography doesn't affect me negatively in either game. It doesn't affect gameplay at all and I really don't give a shit about lore or anything. However, from a fantasy standpoint, going down an elevator and ending up on top of a volcano is pretty rad
>>320085432
>Anyone that tries to treat DaS1 as the grail and DaS2 as shitmountain is an absolute dumbfuck.
Well, in the end my opinions are:
Dark Souls 1 is a very good game.
Dark Souls 2 is an average game.
I don't think it's unreasonable to think this if you liked Dark Souls 1 mostly for the atmosphere and world building like myself.
>>320085607
>But it never tried in the first place and made it completely clear from the get-go, unlike Dark Souls which tried and failed.
Fucking NEET millennial logic.
>People always overlook the giant list of UI improvements, optimizations, different weapon viabilities, variety of covenants, variety of builds dark souls 2 offers
I acknowledge DaS1 is better atmospherically and level design wise, but you'd have to be mentally damaged to think DaS2 didn't have tons of improvements in terms of usability and replayability. I love both games
>>320084136
Darkwraiths aren't skeletons.
>>320085432
I dont know why you replied to me,
the people who defend DaS2 often pretend we DaS1 lovers think DaS1 is perfect and everytime I complained about DaS2 in the past their iron defense was "DaS1 had it too" and that was it, as if sequels aren't supposed to succeed their predecessors but only match them.
They do this no matter how much preface of "I dont hate DaS2" or "DaS2 isn't a bad game but". Nope they will have none of it, if you try to complain about DaS2 they just attack DaS1 which is why I said I wasn't getting involved tonight
>>320086050
If you recognize both games have their issues, why do you bother to single out DaS2 and not just say "The Souls series is deeply flawed trash abused by lazy, incompetent developers that can't meet deadlines, sculpt detail or finish what they start."?
>>320084334
the worst is the story being literally a rehash of the first game
>>320086743
>mfw i'm getting involved by replying
Because the threads OP like this one usually only asks about DaS2, so I try to point out a flaw of DaS2.The hell does Demon's Souls or Dark Souls faults have to do with me having issue with DaS2?
>>320085607
>But it never tried in the first place
it did and it failed in a spectacular way, the first director (shibuya) wanted a huge open world and failed then the second director (tanimura) came and tried to put together all the already done areas the best he could
>>320080438
Because /v/ hates anything /vg/ likes because that's what /v/ hipsters do.
Thats why we have an eternal souls general.
But you already knew that.
>>320080438
it had none of the charm that made people like dark souls originally
>>320087091
Because if you're going:
>Man, this game is ugly, has awful world building, weightless combat and is only difficult in maybe one or two boss fights
then
>yeah but that's all the Souls games, why did you expect this to be different
is a perfectly legit response.
>>320088091
I'll indulge even though I wouldn't say those things
>why did you expect this to be different
Because its a sequel and they should have learned better by now,
Is also a legit response
You say "all" but before DaS2 there was only 2 souls games, its not like i'm asking them to change the formula, not asking for them to throw in Dante or some shit.
>>320088749
Bloodbourne has the same problems, except replace ugly with "runs like shit".
>>320088837
This is a point of contention for me, We are talking about DaS2, so for me to disappointed this had to be around the time I beat it which just so happened to be its PC launch week, long before BB got announced.
I got on DaS2 because that is what the thread asked of me and second it directly is related to DaS1 in ways DeS and BB aren't because they are different settings and systems at work,
When people bring up BB or DeS it makes me think of trying to compare DMC3 to DMC4 but people keep bringing up Bayonetta
