Why are the Japanese so good at adapting themes, story elements, and overall concepts from other cultures? Gothic horror and Lovecraft have no historical/literary background in Japan and yet they are able to combine the two into a game that is genuinely more terrifying than anything the west has produced. Bloodborne is a better sci-fi story than anything that comes to my recent memory in the west and it doesnt even advertise itself as such. Seems like the only thing the Japanese cant do is make ultra realistic annual release sports and first person shooters.
Call me a weeb, or whatever, but all the west seems interested in is making walking simulators and interactive movies. Even when western developers try to do fantasy settings, they just borrow from the same tired Tolkien, Star Wars, or Steam punk settings and call it a day. No outside cultural influences whatsoever.
Becaused they did their homework and theu researched this kind of shit before they create games unlike western developers
>>320071194
>genuinely more terrifying than anything the west has produced
>I have literally never played a horror game before
Because western culture can no longer approach its own history because it abolished it during the 60s progressive movement and cannot approach foreign cultures because of fear of being labeled bigoted.
western culture has reached the end of history and unless it reinvents itself by rediscovering its history, will be replaced by a different one, likely a combination white feminism and islam
>>320071721
Jump scares and loud noises are not scary.
>>320071194
Western devs don't know how to make video games anymore.
And they don't need to.
Just blow your budget on marketing and your trash game will sell millions.
>>320071861
Even Alone in the Dark is scarier than Bloodborne.
>>320071909
>>320071465
It's these.
>>320071775
Not this.
>>320071775
>the end of history
Fukuyama plz go.
But the real answer is that most people are pretty fucking stuck in a cycle of postmodern cynicism and irony. It's impossible to love something and show it, unless it's "ironic" that's fine, because you aren't being naive and buying into it and taking it seriously, you're enjoying it from arms reach, you see it's naivete and think it's funny. Etc.
>>320072103
>Not this.
your daughters will be whores to muslims and your sons slaves
>>320071194
Walking up to the Mother Brain with the blood rock is one of the scariest things I've seen in my life. Fuck that shit.
>>320072243
>Fukuyama plz go.
Francis implied the west would continue to exist now that it has arrived at the end of its history, that is his only mistake.
>>320071986
I'm not even talking about monster running around trying to kill you in terms of scary. Tons of shit is scary. Running out of toilet paper when taking a shit is scary. I'm talking about the profound terror of how insignificant you life and anyone's life is and the want to become more than insignificant. Bloodborne captures this unlike any western game has ever done.
>>320072476
Also you know, the entire premise was fucking stupid and written in a fit of passion.
>>320072560
Try System Shock 2
That game managed to convey the same idea 16 years earlier, and to an even better extent without having to retread Lovecraft.
>>320072759
Instead it retreads I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Simply epic!
>>320073010
Which is still a less worn path than Lovecraft's now-generic eldritch horror.
Why is it that Japan can't actually create their own interesting mythos and have to constantly borrow from the west to make anything good?
>>320073220
Hey, hey, are you telling me Okami is shit?
>>320072560
>I'm talking about the profound terror of how insignificant you life and anyone's life is and the want to become more than insignificant.
That hasn't been scary since even before Lovecraft invented it.
>>320073220
Because you dont know anything about Japanese mythology and are completely oblivious when it is frequently used.
>>320071194
because they have been doing it for hundreds of years to china
>>320073624
This, it's very hard to see Buddhist and Shinto-Buddhist themes if you, y'know, don't actually know anything more than the superficial layer of the religions.
I mean without wikipedia could you tell me how Mahayana and Theravada differ? or what Satori is and it's intricacies? (because a fair amount of Japanese media loves to use Satori, not the least of which being the original Gundam)
>>320071194
Pic unrelated? Because Bloodborne is hamhanded and uses its tropes without any understanding of their context or implications and fails to string together any sort of coherent story with them.
>>320073614
And neither are werewolves, mummies, vampires, and other spooky creepy crawlies that go bump in the night. Lovecraft didnt "invent" the ambition to advance human evolution into space to become part of some kind of cosmic whole.
Our views of whats scary obviously differ but I dont find bloody creatures with sharp teeth that run fast and screech a lot very scary primarily for the fact that they will never exist.
>>320074523
It strings its story together pretty well. Its not going to cater everything to you in a cutscene and you will have to look for it yourself, but its all there.
>>320074523
Elaborate.
>>320074562
>they will never exist
Then you've obviously never been to Liverpool on a Saturday night.
>>320074890
They're only fast if you've got hubcaps on you.
>>320074789
>no really look at this fanfic essay compiled by Bloodborne General
Hahaha
>>320075031
>I don't want to have the freedom of interpretation.
I bet you like Baroque too.
>>320071194
Shitposters aside, the answer is that japanese devs still care about their craft, and want to do a good job. Most western devs stopped caring long ago, and even the ones that did like Ubi's AC team and Naughty Dog have been getting worse lately.
>Bloodborne
>Good at adapting weird horror
Shit was literally just shouting WE LIKE HP LOVECRAFT DON'T YOU LIKE HP LOVECRAFT LOOK WE EVEN PUT CTHULU EVERYWHERE SO WE CAN SHOW HOW WE LIKE HP LOVECRAFT. Somehow managed to be less subtle than fucking COC:DCotE where you kill fucking Dagon with a boat, even DeS did it better.
>>320075137
I hope you're not shitting on baroque music anon. That would imply that you would have to kill yourself.
>>320075392
Well the movement was pretty much nothing but self-fellating works of limited merit outside of "JUST LOOK AT HOW GOOD I AM OH MY GOD I'M SO FUCKING GOOD"
Except Caravaggio. You ain't allowed to h8 on Caravaggio.
>>320071194
The attention to detail of this game is one of the best I've seen. And it amazes me how dedicated the writers were. I wasn't expecting fucking japanese people to do a correct representation of nosism by royalty. Or to know that refering to gender neutral individuals in text from such a setting defaulted to "he" instead of "it".
>>320075031
I didnt realize Bloodborne's item descriptions were fan fiction.
>>320071194
BRUNDERBARNY IS THE BEST YIFF SIMULATOR ALSO HNNGGG
S-SO Ddd--DEEPLY RESEARCHED HUFFFF
>>320075490
Oh you meant painting. Carry on then.
They were really good at managing to get that 24 frames per second "feel" of Lovecraft, that's for sure.
>>320075137
>I bet you like Baroque too.
You're saying you like paintings with a few brush strokes that you can sit around "analyzing" for hours huh.
>>320075491
Well for dialogue even the Japanese version is in English so they work with the localization company during development.
>>320075710
The baroque musicians were just as humanist and produced little of real worth, a select few pieces and piano suites. The romantics are the first musical movement that really started to understand music. Even if the romantic painters are pretty much the worst (The realists were literally the most bro movement of painters)
Why does no one know any authors beyond Lovecraft?
>>320075939
>Baroque and Modern/Post Modern art are the only artistic eras
>>320076106
They do. You, however, don't, which is why you judge the world by the one thing you know.
>>320076215
So what are your favorite horror authors?
>>320072560
>just rip off some horror theme wholesale from an american writer from 100 years ago
>HOLY SHIT JAPAN DOES IT AGAIN WHY ARE THEY SO GOOD AT EVERYTHING
This is why people make fun of weebs.
>>320071194
Actually Lovecraft has always been prominent in Japan
i don't have a ps4 or bloodborne but what is so lovecraft about it? isn't it just dark souls with vampires and werewolves and shit?
>>320075491
>using he to describe gender neutral characters
Fucking savage
>>320076113
To be fair, he's right I am more interested in the abstract. Most people who don't like abstract works can't appreciate actual painting skill, just "this looks like it was BALLS hard" that's why you never see detractors of it talking about how good the texturing on, say Barnett Newman's Zips are, or just how much brush control Mondrian has, or their understandings of composition or colour, etc.
>>320076106
Because Miyazaki is a pleb who is too much of a fag to read Hodgson.
>>320076104
>produced little of real worth
Sure thing, anon.
>>320076351
That doesn't look like Lovecraft.
>>320076371
Yeah, totally.
>>320075584
You are 110% absolutely not a buttblasted pkek
>>320076465
>>320076371
Only werewolves here.
>>320076371The church worships Great Ones from the cosmos
>>320076371
Miyazaki is a tard and decided to literally just put TOTALLY NOT CTHULU™ and generic Ayys into the game near the last half.
>he had a condition where he was very cold to the touch almost always
>he was sick often
>his first marriage ended in a total failure, never married again
>family became very poor at times
Lovecraft had a hard life.
>>320076678
You either never played it or are baiting, Bloodborne by far has the best boss variety than any souls game
>>320076465
? They are very obviously Cthuko and Nyarlathotep
>>320076324
>Just rip off Tolkien or Lucas or whatever again
>HOLY SHIT BEST VIDEO GAME EVER! I DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO PRESS ANYTHING!
>>320076654
MY ARM
MY ARM
MY ARM
MY ARM
>>320077183
>>320076738
>moves to the city
>shitty part of town
>already probably has some form of (real) autism
>full of immigrants
>can't speak to anyone
>isolated
>alone
>>320077113
Make sure to be completely neutral about everything! We wouldnt want to offend anyone, would be? Unless its old white men, fuck them.
>>320076881
>Amelia, Paarl, Cleric, and BSB are all big dogs with sweeping attacks
>Gehrman is just a less interesting version of the Gascoigne fight
>Witches and Micolash are both dumb gimmickshit
>One Reborn and Ebritias are both flail-o-thons
Sure they're visually varied, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a whole of like 4 good fights in the entire game, 2 of which are in the fucking DLC.
>X culture is so much better than my own! I hate my own culture!
What a fucking cück
I agree. Its lore is fucking awesome.
>>320072759
System Shock is not scary. Its annoying when you build your character wrong and have to start the whole game over.
>>320071909
>Western devs don't know how to make video games anymore.
>And they don't need to.
>Just blow your budget on marketing and your trash game will sell millions.
This
It's the reason the xbone is still in the game
It's the reason fallout 4 did so fucking well despite not going over 90 metacritic
Advertising and marketing is king
>>320071194
Bloodborne is like anime.
They have tons of interesting themes and shit far more than most good movies but sadly they are executed awfully.
Still my GOTY though
>>320078889
I dont hate my own culture. Its just Americans are completely incapable of adapting literary or historical themes of other cultures and adapt them into their own media and have no intention of doing so even though Japan has had pretty good success at it.
>>320079412
>Americans are completely incapable of adapting literary or historical themes of other cultures
except they do, and when they do people are quick to call them out on "cultural appropriation".
>>320079107
>It's da marketing
>Meanwhile complete garbage like Neptunia sells and gets 30 sequels in a year and there are literally only 2 good japanese devs making games anymore
>It's not that the Japanese economy is so fucked that only animu obsessed manchildren buy games over there anymore so the Japanese have started literally only pandering to lolifags and waifufags and therefore japanese games sells like shit here
>It couldn't possibly be that shit like fallout is enjoyed by lots of people and therefore sells alot and shit like bloodborne is enjoyed by a smaller group of people and therefore sells less
ITS DA EVIL GAIJINS AND THERE ADS
>>320071909
As much as I'd like to argue with that, it's kinda right, since that's mostly how modern capitalism works. For everything that I personally think that it does right, it REALLY fucks some things up.
>>320078104
What exactly offends you about those games? I'm about as white as they come and a man, and I've literally never seen anything that offended me portrayed in a video game.
You're a shitposting weeb or whatever, OP, but I sort of know what you mean.
>>320076324
One day you'll all realize that this is how literally every industry works. Somebody a really long time ago did something worth note, so we're just going to take from that, and we MIGHT make a few changes to it. Welcome to how the world works.
>>320076324
>>just rip off some horror theme wholesale from an american writer from 100 years ago
And yet, Americans cant even dig that far back to come up with things to rip off of.
>>320081951
Well yeah. They want things that the most amount of people are going to recognize. Therefore, the more recent the better.
>>320082157
And thus, culture dies. Brava!
>>320082382
Yes, because constantly rehashing old things and creating a massive circlejerk around some ancient stuff that isn't even that good is how a healthy culture stays around, right?
>>320082557
you have no idea what culture is
>>320082557
This is the American education system.
>>320082557
smhtbqhfam
There is a reason yuropoors makes fun of you guys
I don't like admitting it but I'm afraid to play Bloodborne at night. No fucking joke. The BGM is so fucking ridiculous scary it really makes me not want to play it. Fuck.
>>320071909
Just Western?
>>320082626
I know that I hate the fact that all cultures do exactly what I stated. Just because a culture doesn't follow the norm of what the others before it have done, doesn't mean that it's inferior.
>>320071194
Japs still see games as well, games. They still go by the rule of cool instead of giving a shit about being realistic like the west has been obsessed with for a good while now.
>>320082914
so you hate the fact that cultures are cultures
ok, you're retarded, we get it
>>320071194
You do realize you're referring to the same devs who made Metal Wolf Chaos, right?
>>320082914
Don't have a big enough fedora to tip to this
>>320083292
I guess if you say one joke you can never be taken seriously again
>>320083008
Not retarded. Just autistic. I simply want a world where things are objective, and rational. Which cultures are definitely not. While I realize that this world could never come to be, I can still hold my opinions that it's stupid that it couldn't. I'm an autistic faggot, but at least I'm a self-aware autistic faggot.
>>320083292
Devs of one game do not equal the same devs of another even under the same studio.
>The game revolves around a fictitious President of the United States named Michael Wilson. Using a suit of powered armor named Metal Wolf, he battles forces who have taken over his country in a coup d'état, including his nemesis, Vice President Richard Hawk.
This sounds way too fucking awesome to ever be made by an American company ever
>>320083646
>I acknowledge the that I'm an autistic faggot
>but I'm going to continue to be one
Wow
>>320083763
America already made Bad Dudes, a game about rescuing Ronald Reagan (the most AMERICAN president you could possibly have) from a horde of ninjas and then getting burgers.
And they did it without needing mech suits.
>>320083912
Yeah. I could think about what I put on places like 4chan, but that would take more effort than I'm willing to put into this site. I'll save the actually trying not to seem like an autistic faggot to real life. You know, the thing that actually matters.
>>320071194
>Bloodborne is a better sci-fi story than anything that comes to my recent memory
Lol, I bet you're the type of person who thinks that NGE is a great adaptation of Christian themes. Weebism should be classified as a mental illness.
>>320084097
>Bad Dudes
>Developer: Data East
>Data East Corporation also abbreviated as DECO, was a Japanese video game developer and publisher. Their main headquarters were located in Suginami, Tokyo
Apply yourself, anon
>>320071194
>adapted lovecraft
>it's more Derleth crap
>>320083763
Sounds like some shit that happens in Saints Row
>>320084110
4chan is real life. I'm a person. Nothing about this is fabricated.
>>320083763
That's pretty similar to Saints Row 4, which was made by an American developer.
>>320083763
RICHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!
MICHAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
>>320084563
Yeah, but you have no idea who I am. I can be as much of a faggot as I want behind the veil of anonymity. Besides, everybody on this site is probably a terrible person anyway. Myself included.
>>320084805
I guess you're not wrong.
>>320084423
NGE is alright, but it doesnt adapt Christian themes at all. Just because there are crosses here and there, doesnt do shit. Ad Hominem should be a bannable offense.
>>320072560
Bloodborne doesn't do that at all. I mean you literally kill tons of these so called greater beings with fucking hacksaws and you can even become one yourself.
>>320072243
That makes a lot of sense and I feel you. People won't take you seriously or out right try to give you a history lesson on why its so bad unless you go"Haha yeah that era or time period was awful but it was cool looking tho".
>>320084993
You can only do this becouse you had insight and the body of a blood infused hunter plus hunter tools and fighting techniques.
>>320075584
shit posting is still shit posting retard.
>>320071194
I'm no sociologist, but stick a bunch of people on on osland for a while, xenophobic and monocultured at that, and they get bored. Just look at how creative their porn/tv shows are. They need the weirdness.
>>320084993
>Bloodborne doesn't do that at all
Yes it does. The whole point of the School of Mensis was to establish contact with the Great Ones and bring humanity to its next stage of evolution. Its mentioned multiple times. You can become an infant Great One, signifying your own progression. The Trophy gained from that ending, "Childhoods Beginning' is even a homage to Clark's "Childhoods End" which was about humanity transcending to its next stage of evolution into the universe.
>>320085287
How does that change the fact that your still not at all insignificant? It took work but you still became a great one. Your not the only one who does it either.
>>320085538
How does that make me feel insignificant?
>>320085904
>Your not the only one who does it either.
The hunter is on another level of transcendence compared to Rom. The Moon Presence is the only being in the game you can't kill as a simple hunter. You have to already be partially a old one(consuming the cords) to even stand a fighting chance against it.
>>320072560
>the profound terror of how insignificant you life and anyone's life is
>profound
That's not scary or profound at all.
>>320086045
Because humans view the Great Ones as being better than themselves. They can transverse space and have profound knowledge about time and stuff that causes humans to go insane and warps their bodies just by knowing about it (Frenzy mechanic and Rom). The Great Ones probably dont feel that special because they cant have children, but humanity views them as better because they can do things we cant. If one can become like them, then they can become more a part with the universal whole. Its a pretty common sci-fi concept.
>>320086495
Actually think about what happens to you when you die. Now equate that to how massive the universe is. Its not the same scary as something jumping out to get you, but there are other, deeper forms of fear.
>>320086523
As a Sci-Fi concept that's fine but it isn't horrifying. I mean Bloodborne has a lot more in common with Castlevania than Lovecraft. If were talking about insignificance and the meaninglessness of humanity Dark Souls did a better job since in the end you can either continue a lie for a little longer or risk turning whats left of the world into Oolacile.
>>320086994
And in DS2 it turns out it has no meaning because the world is on a endless repeating cycle. lol ds2
>>320086865
>but there are other, deeper forms of fear.
Anon, I hope you aren't being serious because that's only scary (in any sense of the word) if you're a faggot.
>>320087135
Well to be honest that does a pretty good job of showing how meaningless everything is since whatever you chose some other guy is gonna come around and fuck that up too.
because you're confusing Miyazaki with all Japanese developers
he is very well read in both fiction and philosophy
>>320086994
>I mean Bloodborne has a lot more in common with Castlevania than Lovecraft
Yeah, because Castevania is about cosmic gods that make contact with a town of people so that they can reproduce but the townspeople go crazy trying to learn more and be like them. All the while, the appearance of these gods cause the people, who have been fucking around with blood, to start turning into beasts. Cthulhu and all the other Old Ones came to Earth by warping through space and living in deep caverns under the years for millions of years. Exactly what happens in Bloodborne. Sounds like you didnt play the game at all.
You and this faggot >>320087192 should read actual sci-fi, not modern movie bullshit, before acting so high and mighty about what you think is good or not when it comes to the genre.
>>320072759
>>320073614
>>320076324
>>320084993
>>320086495
Holy shit why are you fuckers such downers I mean do you honestly think you are seeking the truth? You don't know 2 shits about the truth you are just trying to poke holes in everything that anyone on this site is excited about. Its a cycle of depression begotten by keeping each other down. There is nothing that could be posted on this site without being filled with 90%+ negative comments.
>>320072560
>>320071194
Honestly, why do you bring your excitement and try to praise something on /v/? Are these honestly people you want to bring in? The people on this site are filled with a cloud of darkness. If you want to speak to someone who would listen, praise these things to people in the real world or even different websites.
>>320076654
Steak driver is so boss
>>320087884
>he doesn't know the castle in CV is a cosmic being of chaos
>he doesn't know Cthulhu chills in Dracs castle.
You know shit about CV
>>320087884
No I mean Bloodborne and Castlevania are both action games with a horror setting that aren't really focused on story.
>>320087915
Having different opinions on something doesn't mean I'm trying to ruin anybody's life.
>>320087915
I've pretty much came to terms that /v/ is full of entitled autistic faggots who dont know shit about that they're talking about but think they do. Its really obvious from a lot of the comments that most people here did not play Bloodborne, read item descriptions, or just watch playthroughs of it.
The game uses the trope of humanity wanting to evolve that is common in the works of Clark and Asimov but combines it with Lovecraft imagery and disguises it with Gothic horror, which I thought was really cool and creative. I dont expect these morons to have actually read any of those books but I think its funny that they are arguing my case with very little supporting evidence or even the faintest of knowledge of what I'm talking about.
>>320087884
What are you even talking about here?
All I did was call you a faggot for being scared by Bloodborne supposedly making you feel your life is insignificant.
And you decide to prove me right by continuing to be a faggot.
>>320087915
>do you honestly think you are seeking the truth?
I'm not seeking any "truth" from you or the other faggot I'm responding to, so you're wasting your breath.
>you are just trying to poke holes in everything that anyone on this site is excited about.
You're extremely delusional, but that leap in logic you just made is incredible.
>>320088212
Bloodborne has had the most ambitious story of any Souls game so far. The other games were just "hey go do this" and you do it. What makes the Souls games so great was the lore surrounding the settings.
>>320089008
Ad Hominem doesnt make you cool anon
>>320071194
They actually bother reading what they're trying to adapt, some Western companies do it too.
Look at the difference between Fallout 3 and New Vegas: Fallout 3 used the move to the East Coast as an excuse to make up all sorts of shit that doesn't make sense while New Vegas largely fit into the canon and themes of the previous games.
>>320071986
You haven't really thought about all the horrific shit that happens in Bloodborne.
Is Lovecraft the greatest "I spent 3 minutes on Wikipedia and now I'm a literacy genius" buzzword to use?
>>320088883
>>320089059
I fucking love Bloodborne but I'm not lying to myself about its story here. Its not very well written and regardless of how much style it has or how many influences it doesn't really mean much of anything. What implications does this story have for the audience in real life? It doesn't make me feel insignificant. It doesn't scare me. There are no interesting characters to relate to. Whats the point of this story? It just looks cool which is fine but its not a fucking work of art.
>>320071194
>Lovecraft have no historical/literary background in Japan
Lovecraft was a racist NEET. Japanese gamers are racist NEETs. Do the fucking math.
>>320071194
Though Bloodborne tries to delve into Lovecraftian concepts, it completely misses the point of them and anyone who has actually read Lovecrafts work would see that.
>>320089738
Lovecraft is one of those authors who's work is mainstream enough that random fucks know it, but he isn't mainstream enough for the majority of those chuckle fucks to have actually read his stories.
Like Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Edgar Allen Poe, Dante Alighieri etc
>>320089932
There's literally nothing wrong in being a racist NEET.
>>320089738
>OP swirls glass of wine
>Hm, yes its very Lovecraftian in its nature and its...Lovecraftian...its almost reminiscent of...Lovecraft because the..tentacles and..its dark
>OP goes back to watching episodes of Umaru
>>320089738
The proper term is Lovecraftian, you vulgar uneducated pleb.
>>320090050
It's kinda hard to incorporate Lovecraftian themes while letting the player retain control, let alone giving them a chance to actually win
>>320090078
>Kurt Vonnegut Jr
>not high school entry level lit
fuckin plebs i swear
>>320090050
>implying lovecraft hasn't now become a pseudo-intellectual buzzword for dark spooky monster games
>>320090257
this post was very lovecraftian
>>320090326
I'm actually implying exactly what you think I'm not implying. It is just a buzzword now for spooky monster games.
>>320090050
I think Miyazaki conveniently burrowed what he wanted (dream realms, greater beings, squid ayys) and then went and did his own thing and brought other stuff into the mix.
Lovecraft is the Dark Side of the Moon and Final Fantasy 7 and Inception of horror literature.
>gothis horror has no background in japan
Yes, it does. There's quite a bit of acclaimed gothic literature from the edo period onwards.
>Miyazaki game
>Get western theme and aesthetic
>Rip out 95% of dialogue and backstory
That's if, there's no artistic technique rivalling that of Orson Welles you weebshits, its just a case of less being more
>>320090804
>Orson Welles
>artistic technique
ayyyyyyyyyyy
>>320089902
A story doesnt need to have implications that an audience can make in their lives. Its a cool "what if aliens made contact with Victorian London and they worshiped them like gods and wanted to become like them" story. All the while a plague is causing people to turn into werewolves because the aliens show up. It pays homage to 50s hard science fiction. The kind thats too boring for modern times. I think its well told and really interesting when looked at as at with the sci-fi homages in mind. The point of this post was to share that excitement before it derailed into what it is now.
>>320090153
I've already mentioned other authors that I think Miyazaki borrowed from in terms of overall concept. He used Lovecraft mostly for its imagery and thats about it.
>>320090297
You are literally regurgitating SuperBunnyHop
>>320090050
Thats not the point of the game. He is using Lovecraft's work mostly for its aesthetics.
>>320071194
I wouldn't say all Japanese. Just FromSoftware. Actually it isn't because of FromSoftware either... its because Miyazaki.
We all saw what happened to Dark Souls II when he wasn't in charge. The reason From Software does so well with him at the helm is because of how inspired he is by western themes. He said in an interview that he didn't speak enough English as a child but he loved Western Fantasy and Science Fiction stories. He was only able to piece together parts of a story but in the end he made each story in his own mind.
He had such an admiration and respect for our style of storytelling, gameplay and art that he ended up beating all of us in the west at our own game.
>this thread
I thought that the Dark Souls fanbase was a unique kind of annoying. Well, I guess the Bloodborne fanbase has one-upped them in being more annoying and overstating the artistic merit of their game. Never thought I'd live to see the day.
>>320071194
>Gothic horror and Lovecraft have no historical/literary background in Japan and yet they are able to combine the two into a game that is genuinely more terrifying than anything the west has produced.
Not really. Gothic horror is a strong current in Japanese literature, with its theme of moral decay and the grim supernatural punishment that follows. The fact that Japanese admires the Britbongs' posh culture doesn't help.
As for Lovecraft's Cosmicism (Kos-icism?), it's the perfect antithesis of the Buddhist religion, which the Japanese used to follow and is still shaping the society today. Buddhism has as its goal enlightenment and the shaping of the soul, Cosmicism says that trying to do so will result in you turning into a crazy fish monster who then have disgusting sex with alien gods. When a Japanese read Lovecraft's writing, he feels something that REALLY gets under his skin.
>>320071194
>Why are the Japanese so good at adapting themes, story elements, and overall concepts from other cultures?
Since when is this a good thing? Why are you praising Japan for creating a video game which incorporates themes from the stories an American author wrote 100 years ago?
It was Lovecraft and Poe which made the significant leaps here, proper horror would not be where it is today without those two authors. It doesn't take a genius to build a video game off of that.
>Even when western developers try to do fantasy settings, they just borrow from the same tired Tolkien, Star Wars, or Steam punk settings and call it a day. No outside cultural influences whatsoever.
So when Japanese developers build off of Lovecraft, it becomes a masterpiece. But when Western developers build off of Tolkien, it's bad because its been done before. Get your head out of your ass.
>>320084632
Except Saints Row 4 is a fuckup meme game that can't decide if it wants to be GTA or Prototype, and fails at being both.
>>320091369
I get that people aren't as into this game as me. Thats fine. But I will bite. Name another unforgiving RPG that is better than a FromSoftware title.
I will happily tell you why your opinion is wrong.
>>320091556
>It doesn't take a genius to build a video game off of that.
Ignore him. Just your typical Miyazaki drone who thinks that anything Miyazaki does is a unique form of genius.
I recently read this four-page ramble on Bloodborne on Forbes's website that just endlessly gushed about how much the writer admired Bloodborne. Funny thing is, the title of the article is a called something along the lines of a "review of Bloodborne after 200 hours" or some shit like that.
Gushing/idolatry like that shouldn't be called a "review". It should have been called "In Mindless Praise of Bloodborne after 200 Hours".
>>320091835
>Forbes
>>320091835
One can say that Miyazaki is a Great One :^)
>>320091556
>It doesn't take a genius to build a video game off of that.
It does take a genius to build a GOOD video game off of that.
>>320091648
I criticize the fanbase and you ask me to name a game more unforgiving than a From Software title?
I said absolutely nothing about the nature of the games. You don't know if I absolutely love or absolutely hate the games, because I said nothing of them. I was talking about the fanbase.
How do you go from my criticism of the fanbase to asking me about difficulty in RPGs?
Did I hit a nerve or something?
so whats up with the lore?
>>320091835
>Gushing/idolatry like that shouldn't be called a "review"
Are you mad that someone experienced a medium and left with nothing but praise? Should reviewers nitpick for the sake of nitpicking just to please you?
>>320091556
>It doesn't take a genius to build a video game off of that.
And yet, neither Call of Cthulhu or Amnesia couldnt grasp the tone in the way that Bloodborne does.
>So when Japanese developers build off of Lovecraft, it becomes a masterpiece
Its pretty noteworthy. Their literature and historical culture is no way influenced by Lovecraft at all. They have to go out of their way to read these books and internalize them when there might be shoddy translations.
>But when Western developers build off of Tolkien, it's bad because its been done before
Its easy for western devs to fall back on Tolkien when making a fantasy setting because they know everything about him and his mythos. Any question they might have can be easily answered.
>>320092293
here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k7ST7Ysc9I3s6zLXr-DOzWjoAtu6afOOCaU3ucCdBDk/edit
>>320092185
It really doesn't, the problem is that directors are very rarely given the opportunity to do so.
Why would publishers want their directors to create something unique and completely different (risky) as opposed to sticking to their proven formula of releasing yearly rehashed trash which idiots gobble up?
Indie developers can't do it because they don't have the resources and AAA developers rarely get the opportunity to make something like Miyazaki's games.
>>320092354
>Should reviewers nitpick for the sake of nitpicking just to please you?
No, reviewers should REVIEW not GUSH. They should discuss the good and bad. You know, like, uh, reviewing?
If they want to spend 2,000-3,000 words worshiping the ass of a person they admire, then that's not a review.
That's called gushing. That's called rhapsodizing. That's called sycophancy. That's called idolatry. That's not called reviewing.
>>320092387
Why are you acting as though western devs internally know all about Tolkien as though being western makes the knowledge automatic to them?
>They have to go out of their way to read these books and internalize them
Why do you think this is impressive? You read a book and then you take ideas from it.
It's that simple.
Lovecraft is well-known enough in Japan that From wouldn't have a problem getting a hold of a decent translation.
>>320072287
/pol/ escaped quarantine again
