>Atlus producer Shinjiro Takada wanted the game to be an RPG with “modern drama” elements.
>Atlus chief director Mitsuru Hirata wanted the modern drama elements to be representative of the entertainment industry.
>Nintendo director Kaori Ando wanted the entertainment industry elements to be representative of the music industry, and to contact people who do not usually make game music (i.e. Avex Group).
http://personacentral.com/genei-ibun-roku-fe-5-year-development-time-changes-in-concept/
This is where you put the blame /v/.
>>320007830
>representative of the music industry
>>320007830
Blame for what?
I am loving almost everything I am seeing in regards to #FE.
I'll love the game.
i really hope they release it in japanese or at least keep all the songs in japanese for the english release
>>320009480
They can't do that because of avex, NOA already confirmed that localization will be a bitch.
This game looks cool and I'm glad it's not some gay grimdark medieval bullshit.
I honestly think this game is what I need. It looks like lighthearted fun that doesn't take itself too seriously, not enough games are like this.
what about the crossover though? okay modern drama and all, but what about the fans who want a cross over?
this game is perfect for all of you faggots who dream with a waifu in your pathetic laifu. enjoy
I'm gonna marry Barry!
Too bad he is not playable =\
>There have been opinions such as “Where is Megaten? This is not like Fire Emblem,” though the initial concept of the game reflected these thoughts.
So, they did try to work in the SMT X FE aspect but it didn't work. But seeing that it was in production for 5 years and the game was announced in year 3, either the game was still in pre-production at that point or Atlus calling it SMT X FE was just a dumbass move on their part.
I guess buying a Wii U wasn't ao bad.
>>320010187
Probably both, honestly
I don't care anymore. Already sold my Wii U. If I wanted this shit I'd play my Vita. Handhelds really are the only platforms worth sticking to.
>>320010049
>enjoy
I will.
The game looks great, girls look great. I can't wait to play this game.
>5-year Development Time
Bullshit.
Also.
>#FE barely reaching top 200 on the preorder list for japan despite being close to release
>SMT Final already breaking the top 100 on preorders despite being months away.
#FE is going to fucking bomb.
>>320011187
>girls
Who cares.
>>320009697
I bet the European version will be fine though. lol
>>320009989
the director said if people want a "straight" crossover like we all expected (SMT cameos in FE combat, or vice versa), then "that's something Intelligent Systems could easily do without us"
so go ask IS for your actual SMTxFE
>>320011225
>Bullshit.
you know they spent 3 of those years trying to figure out how this shit was gonna work in the first place.
>>320010187
they said they didn't know how to put a unique "atlus spin" on the initial idea
they revealed it before the ink was dry on the proof of concept, really. they made it seem like a crossover of characters when really it's supposed to be a crossover of design philosophies.
it's not "SMTxFE", it's "Atlus x Intelligent Systems"
a crossover of ideas/concepts from both games given their own twist
>>320011225
It was #1 on jp amazon for a long time.
>When producer Yamagami first heard the idea from Nintendo director Kaori Ando, the plan was for the game to be a fantasy strategy RPG
This kills me. I'm looking forward to #FE but a console FE SRPG is exactly what I wanted, and they decided against it to make a dime-a-dozen turn based JRPG whose only standout feature is the idol theme.
>>320011471
This already is FE cameo in MT combat. That's just them pretending they did something super interesting.
Above all though I just want the crossover to pull from both game's history like exactly what it's doing with FE. Where's MT stuff? Tiki's fine but no Aleph? Chrom's okay but no Jack Frost? This is frustrating.
It can be happy go lucky or edgy or anyhing between and play like a fucking rhythm game for all I care, i just want the crossover to actually be a crossover.
>5 years.
And those beginning years did almost nothing.
>>320011954
>tfw no Majin Tensei 3
>this could've been our MJ3
Though no Aoki with his god tier ost but still.
>The one fucking game that might have been good is going to be ultra weeb shit power of friendship dance to success teen drama bullshit
Fuck you Atlus. It's telling that Persona 5, whose predecessor was fucking Japanese Scooby Doo, looks like a more dramatic storyline than a fucking SMT GAME.
>>320012015
convenience store.
>>320012015
the FE people are AUs in this game, hence why Chrom is a spooky evil looking guy now.
so their AU history is unrelated to their actual origins
>>320011225
#FE was at the very top for some time when it went up for orders.
SMT Final wasn't go up until not so long ago. It'll fall down with time, as happens with every product ever since that is how the algorithms work.
The truth of the matter is that #FE was doing spectacularly. And SMT Final is also good well. And both will likely sell well.
Don't try to stir up shit unnecessarily.
>>320012049
What's the point of a costume on an NPC? Maiko confirmed playable.
>>320011283
I care barafag
Never forget
>>320008771
Pretty much this.
I've liked all I've seen so far. It hasn't stopped SMT being produced either with SMT: Final being made too.
More games and more variety for us.
>>320012095
>implying you don't want to dance all night and sing songs with big titty bitches and Tiki
Anon-kun pls
>>320008771
Why the fuck does everything look like it was smeared with vasoline?
>>320012314
>Why the fuck does everything look like it was smeared with vasoline?
It's a WiiU game
Kiria best girl
>>320007830
this is only nintendo's fault, there was a collaboration between nintendo and atlus but instead of announcing that, they announced the collaboration as FExSMT, that has been the problem, you wouldn't have 2 fanbases pissed of if they haven't told those fanbases that they were going to get a new game.
It really disturbs me that people genuinely suck up to a game just because it has hot cartoon girls in it. I thought you guys were fucking joking. Jesus.
>>320012110
It's that dude whose name starts with a K
Neat
>>320012131
They're still referenced and more central to anything MT unless you count a sign by a store as super important.
>>320012378
Yes but that's more like an artstyle decision and it looks fucking horrible. Reminds me of what gust does with their character designs only with less brown plastered all over it.
See, this raises the question of why the fuck they announced it the way they did. When they made that first teaser trailer, it was already 2-3 years in development - surely long enough for them to have figured out some sort of idea of what they wanted to go with for the tone of the game. So if it was that far in development, why did they announce it using characters and music from the SMT and FE series, giving everyone the wrong idea of what to expect? If they'd just teased it as "ATLUS X Intelligent Systems" in the first place, there would be a lot less controversy and vitriol surrounding the game.
I wouldn't be so butthurt if they hadn't announced it as an SMT/FE crossover and shown classic characters from both franchises and then pulling a grand switcheroo
>>320012642
The talent behind the game is more of the deciding factor than the girls for me.
>>320012312
I really don't, because those fucking dance animations make battles take fucking FOREVER. Look at Nocturne; say what you will about the quality of the game or certain aspects, but combat was fucking fast as all hell; it felt like Demi Fiend would use moves a quarter second before you even input them.
https://youtu.be/ZRcGHIp8KvY?t=2393
Look at this fucking shit. 30 goddamn seconds.
>>320012697
this is not an SMT game, it is the devs OF smt taking a crack at mixing FE themes into an original Atlus story
>>320007830
why are they people who always post about this game fucking mad about it all the time? like wtf
>>320007830
>they worked 5 years on that
Nothing against#FE. But it rather looks like a game that could easily be finished within 2 years of development and 1 extra year pre production, especially when its only 30 hours long which is below the average for jrpgs.
Guess they really had troubled development.
>>320012973
>press start
>the dance animation is 0 goddamn seconds
I don't see the problem.
>>320013046
Not mixing in MT content besides gameplay is why am I criticizing it. Their intentions should have been more clear originally if they did not want people to be offput like their being ignored.
>>320012314
Bad rtstyle/rendering methods. P5's cell shaded style or clay-like, used in cartoony games, would have looked 1000 times better.
>>320013305
>There is a necessity to skip combat animations
You don't think there's a problem there?
Also I can't skip shitty character design
>>320013598
originally when it was announced, it was planned to be what you wanted. but the devs decided amongst themselves that the project was making no progress and retooled it into something they had more inspiration to make
>>320013709
>You don't think there's a problem there?
I don't get your argument man.
Even Nocturne had a skip button for animations as well.
>>320013810
Then should do a better job showing that to people because from where i sit it still looks half a crossover
>>320012049
Those models and textures or pretty embarrassing for a 5 year project holy shit. The rigging/modeling on the top left's hips to legs is downright atrocious.
>>320013862
The option to speed up combat was there, and that was to cut down on menu time if you were just going to mash attack/grind. The actual animations didn't need to be skipped.
I just wanted a good RPG on WiiU.
Fuck this.
>>320013709
I don't understand your problem, then. You can just watch a little bit of it, then skip. There are plenty of other cool animations that aren't 30 seconds in the game.
Also, in a blog interview they said that auto battle will be lightning fast.
>>320014131
it looks like what it's being advertised as, which is "FE in weeb atlus world"
>>320007830
Can I still kill all my friends in this game?
>>320012110
>>320012884
That first announcement video was nothing to even sneeze at.
There was no game in that video, only a proof of concept.
Also they're calling it "Atlus X Fire Emblem" now, so they've figured out their image now
>>320009697
whats avex
>>320007830
Wow, 5 years to develop this shit.
I'd commit seppuku if I was a dev on this..
>>320015954
The largest music production company in Japan.
So Nintendo/Atlus has contracted them to make the game's soundtrack, choreography, music videos, etc.
>>320016196
so they cant keep the soundtrack?
>>320011283
I do.
>>320016262
What do you mean? Like in terms of selling it?
I'm sure commercial rights are shared between the
companies and the game comes with the OST I think.
The music of #FE is part of Avex's karaoke program too.
does this mean kiria's idol costume existed for 5 years before some retard decided to censor it?
>>320012049
Aw yeah girl look at them featureless flat noodle bodies mmhmm gonna sink my fingers into those linguini thighs
>>320016534
>I'm sure commercial rights are shared
not usually during a contract work. Avex is doing most the music themselves. They presumably own any new music added to this game.
>>320016617
HEY PAISANOS
>>320011187
Why is it that almost all praise aimed at this game is towards the girls
>>320016753
I doubt it'll be a huge problem anyway. Don't think
we'll be seeing this music outside of the game anyway.
Aside that pre-release concert they're holding.
>>320015776
Should've been Atlus x Intelligent
>>320009697
>They can't do that because of avex
Avex has sold music to west before. Hell. The songs are available to the west through Joysound right now. I believe.
>>320017050
We're lacking in fags, here. The boys are super stylish and cute, imo.
Nintendo ruining everything again, as usual.
>>320017183
But Intelligent Sys has made more than FE.
Plus Atlus is the dev
>>320015776
Oh, I don't have any issues with how they're presenting it now. They've found an image and stuck with it. But they completely shit the bed with the announcement.
>use assets from existing franchises to pique interest of fans
>outright state that it's a crossover project
>say literally nothing for two years
>casually re-reveal it as something that has little to do with what they first teased
I'm sure that #FE will be a perfectly good game, but damn, they bungled the announcement. If the tone change came during the period where there was no information about it, they should've said something about it at that point. Even like a statement from Atlus in a Direct or something in 2014 saying something along the lines of, "this project is still underway, but it's being retooled - please understand" would've assuaged a lot of the butthurt over the switcheroo.
>>320017050
Yeah, it's almost as if you're on /v/.
>>320017447
But it's more logical to just say "Oh, Atlus and Intelligent are collaborating"
>>320017136
Oh, probably not. I'm just a know it all who wanted to point out Avex will any OC songs, and even specific arrangements of remixes
>>320010049
im happy with mai waifu
>>320011954
yes what happened was they were going to make what everyone expected. but they said they had no inspiration because their initial concept was something they thought Intelligent Systems could make easily on their own. So they did the reverse and just added FE themes to an entirely original Atlus story.
>>320012095
i dunno if you heard but Dancing All Night sold good and a lot of people enjoy it.
it's not very farfetched that they would continue riding that wave with more music-themed stuff
>yfw Nintendo is going full weeb
>>320019393
But Nintendo is a japanese company.
>>320019656
He means otaku bait
>>320020063
There's a thread for Nintendo girls up right now.
And you're telling me Nintendo doesn't make waifu shit?
>>320020837
otaku bait is waifu shit
>>320017050
Itsuki is a cool guy. I like what I've seen of him. Toma too. And Tsurugi at the very least has a great voice and is great at singing.
>>320012015
All the shopkeepers.
So we have at least one more mirage left to see right? Wonder if there going to keep it a secret or reveal it before the release. Maybe its maiko since she has dlc costumes but no mirage yet. Has she been confirmed npc or is that assumed so far?
>>320017136
There also doing a one hour Concert in 3 days.
>>320024380
There are enemy mirages we haven't seen too.
They certainly haven't shown all their cards yet.
>>320019393
>>yfw Nintendo is going full weeb
If they can get most the Vita-only games to Nintendo then yes
>>320007830
So who do I blame for how good it looks?
>>320011283
>liking myself
Uh no thanks, I'm a faggot.
I can't wait to romance all the girls.
I still don't understand what the entertainment industry has to do with either series.
>>320007830
>tfw there will never be an acceptable explanation in why they done just sub weebshit and release it saving money and time
>>320015776
Because it's a great concept, and it's a concept that made a lot of people really hype, and then they show gameplay and there is only disappointment
>Make game as "crossover killer app" project.
>Game is centered entirely on Japanese culture to the point that localization may not even be fiscally responsible.
SOMEBODY'S getting fired.
>>320030418
I hope its Reggie
>>320007830
>nintendo goes out of it's way to make something different/innovative
>retarded baby fans whine why it isn't another rehash like most of the wiiu library
>but but they're gonna stop making smt and fe mainline games!!! derp
>>320030867
>sequels are rehashes
>a crossover would be a rehash
kill yourself
but wheres my shiggitydiggity tensei game
>Their excuse is they were trying to make something "original".
But it's just an SMT/Persona game with FE references. I was actually EXPECTING something original, like a new spin on the DeSu system or a completely new style of gameplay with a mix of their aesthetics (either modern shit invading ye olde Europe or the spirits/monsters of faux-tolkien taking the demons' role in a traditional SMT plot.
It's surprising they have the gall to say they were trying something unique when this is probably the laziest possible direction they could have gone short of an outright reskin.
>>320027695
From what I gathered it went like this:
>Devs announce SMT x FE
>We can't come up with a good idea
>Nothing inspires us except idols = let's make this into an idol game
>Well that doesn't fit either series but we're want to make an idol game goddamnit
>insert half-assed explanation of shaman priestesses dancing to appease gods and summon spirits
>Well shaman priestesses chant too so chanting = modern idols singing
To add insult to injury, late 80s to early 00s Japanese music industry would've honestly fit their theme better: post-bubble era, lost decade, rising popularity/experimentation of music from other countries, much stronger clash compared to now of tradition vs modern ideals and search of individualism in youths (think gyaru/ganguro fad and popular yankee manga of the time). There's a lot of ways they could've taken the direction of this game but all their explanations sound like excuses to make an idol game.
>>320028906
There were some releases like that, I don't know why they don't do the same for this game since it will save them so much time and money.
this shit was a ruse
>>320031180
The idea of musicians as literal muses for demons and ancient warriors is a good one.
Like you said, though, it was just an excuse for the project's leads to make an idolshit game when they were tasked with making Tokyo Xanadu - Fire Emblem Edition.
Well at least they're willing to admit it
>game will be awfully dubbed
>no dual audio
>censored to hell and back for being "problematic"
>the photobook will be edited to a Book on Memes
>they won't edit the blush out so it won't make sense, just like the "boy I've never seen knife throwing at a circus before" bullshit in FE:A
>all inneudendo will be replaced with memes
>anything that is so integral to the conversation, like mention of otaku, will be replaced with "creepy goobergater misogynist"
>>320034017
>>the photobook will be edited to a Book on Memes
Out of curiousity, aside from the obvious waifu and idol bait, is anyone genuinely looking forward to this game? Why?
>>320035209
hell no
this shit look gay af like a bad combination of Persona and Hatsune Miku or some bullshit
they wanted the /v/ audience
>>320035209
I am. It has really good directors and the dungeons aren't randomly generated. Also, the weapon fusion system looks cool.
>>320007830
You mean blame for making such a promising game, right?
>>320007830
Holy fuck, they actually believe they are doing something innovative with this game.
>>320035209
I think the gameplay looks alright, and some of the dungeon music actually sounds great, but the general theme they went for is the biggest turn off for me, probably gonna buy it used to see if I like it.
>>320035209
Yeah sure. I don't like the setting but Atlus makes good turn based RPGs. If it ends up being too cringeworthy I'll just skip the text and cutscenes.
>>320007830
>There are people who will defend Hatsune Miku High School Pop Idol Simulator
This is not SMTxFE fuck Atlus
>>320036808
Actually it's been changed to AtlusxFE on all the promotional material. It makes sense now since if you take the worst parts of Atlus as a whole and the worst parts of FE you end up with this game.
>>320034017
>>game will be awfully dubbed
I'm sure Ashley Burch has a great singing voice.
>>320012973
>but combat was fucking fast as all hell
nocturne is slow as shit, I played it in 1,5x
>tfw I'm jerking off in this thread and the thread is too slow for anybody to notice this
I never had faith that mixing the gameplay elements of FE and SMT would work unless they made a DeSu or Majin Tensei clone.
Especially when you consider that one game has party members with perma-death and bonding elements, while the other treats party members as fusion fodder.
But everything that this game stands for, just ticks me off in all the wrong ways.
>>320037502
I would have been fucking hyped for a DeSu and FE fusion.
>blame
You mean thank
>>320036808
>This is not SMTxFE fuck Atlus
What this is the Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem crossover project: Records of the Phantom #FE.
>>320035209
I really like how the game does weaknesses and how it ties in with session attacks. And I really like session attacks.
And I like how you manage two resources for special attacks, arts, and sessions.
I also really the previous games they worked on and is really looking forward to the dungeons in general. They look neat and I am expecting them to be.
I am also looking forward to enjoying customizing my mirages and crafting mirage unity and all that jazz for weapons and skills.
So even looking past all the fluff and thematics, that I admittedly love too, I am still really drawn to the crunch itself. I am really loving the look of it. Looking forward to it a lot.
